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"IC Poll"
BaquaR13 1336 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson"
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04-09-02, 06:41 PM (EST)
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"IC Poll" |
I think that as spoilers, it is our duty to figure out who wins the immunity challenges. I know that during the Australia one someone had an immunity poll, but then stopped. So i thought i would bring it back. The rules are exactly the same as the Boot poll that Superman/Sherpa does. Do i need to copy and paste those rules in here? Uhhh, naw, everyone who is voting there is probably voting here too. Just remember to reply to this post only and to put the name of who you think will win the Immunity Challenge in the heading. If you want to include what it will be and why you think a certain person will win it, please do so. OK, LET'S VOTE!
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MeToo |
04-09-02 |
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JOHN |
VanQ |
04-09-02 |
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Kathy |
SurvivaBear |
04-09-02 |
3 |
RE: Kathy |
Ra_8secs |
04-09-02 |
9 |
Sean |
TechNoir |
04-09-02 |
4 |
Sean |
Naked |
04-09-02 |
5 |
Robert |
cowboyroo |
04-09-02 |
6 |
RE: Robert |
Ra_8secs |
04-09-02 |
10 |
Rob (Re: IC Poll) |
Teddy_Bear |
04-09-02 |
7 |
Rob |
soulSurvivor_23 |
04-09-02 |
8 |
Rob |
Spidey |
04-09-02 |
11 |
Rob |
Cosmogirl |
04-09-02 |
12 |
Rob |
Granvil the 4th |
04-09-02 |
13 |
Kathy |
I_AM_HE |
04-09-02 |
14 |
Rob |
Mitrelleum |
04-10-02 |
15 |
Robert |
JeffGator |
04-10-02 |
16 |
Sean |
princesstan |
04-10-02 |
17 |
Rob |
bubsy |
04-10-02 |
18 |
Rob |
Cin |
04-10-02 |
19 |
John |
Bebo |
04-10-02 |
20 |
Rob |
Wacko Jacko |
04-10-02 |
21 |
Zoe |
Connie E |
04-10-02 |
22 |
Rob |
sorgee |
04-10-02 |
23 |
Zoe |
managerr |
04-10-02 |
24 |
Kathy |
lroy |
04-10-02 |
25 |
Tammy |
steppingrazor42 |
04-10-02 |
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Sean |
Tumbler |
04-10-02 |
27 |
Kathy |
MC_Hampster |
04-10-02 |
28 |
RE: IC Poll |
samboohoo |
04-10-02 |
29 |
Sean |
ycartdraw |
04-11-02 |
53 |
Rob |
DVK |
04-10-02 |
30 |
Sean |
smokedog |
04-10-02 |
31 |
Rob Mariano |
lazykid |
04-10-02 |
32 |
Sean |
katem |
04-10-02 |
33 |
Angry Sean |
strone |
04-10-02 |
34 |
John |
Seyz |
04-10-02 |
35 |
Sean |
jenbug |
04-10-02 |
36 |
Rob |
lazydazes |
04-10-02 |
37 |
Votes to Here.... |
Kokoro |
04-10-02 |
38 |
John |
BaquaR13 |
04-10-02 |
39 |
Rules Violation |
samboohoo |
04-11-02 |
50 |
Rob |
jancan |
04-10-02 |
40 |
Rob |
VargasBros |
04-10-02 |
41 |
Zoe |
Kokoro |
04-10-02 |
42 |
Neleh |
bergdogg |
04-10-02 |
43 |
Tammy |
ShowMeTheWinner |
04-11-02 |
44 |
Kathy |
AyaK |
04-11-02 |
45 |
Kathy |
tribephyl |
04-11-02 |
46 |
Neleh |
SurvivinDawg |
04-11-02 |
47 |
Kathy |
hrc2u |
04-11-02 |
48 |
Kathy |
mindysue |
04-11-02 |
49 |
Pappy |
DeclaringJihadOnSurvivor |
04-11-02 |
51 |
The Robfather |
ejm92 |
04-11-02 |
52 |
Sean |
5Foot3 |
04-11-02 |
54 |
Tammy |
sittem |
04-11-02 |
55 |
Sean |
AresMars |
04-11-02 |
56 |
John |
PagongRatEater |
04-11-02 |
57 |
Tammy |
idiotcowboy |
04-11-02 |
58 |
Vee |
Java |
04-11-02 |
59 |
Sean |
smiles |
04-11-02 |
60 |
RE: IC Poll |
SurvivaBear |
04-11-02 |
61 |
Kathy |
munson |
04-11-02 |
62 |
Kathy |
sleeeve |
04-11-02 |
63 |
Robert |
wepaxson |
04-11-02 |
64 |
Kathy. |
anotherkim |
04-11-02 |
65 |
Rob |
tjack |
04-11-02 |
66 |
Kathy |
bebekid |
04-11-02 |
67 |
RE: Rob |
janisella |
04-11-02 |
68 |
Rob |
IceCat |
04-11-02 |
69 |
Kathy |
survivorscott |
04-11-02 |
70 |
Kathy |
SurvivorBlows |
04-11-02 |
71 |
New Tally |
SurvivaBear |
04-11-02 |
72 |
ZOE..... |
Dalton |
04-11-02 |
73 |
FINAL VOTE TOTAL |
AyaK |
04-11-02 |
74 |
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MeToo 158 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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04-09-02, 07:36 PM (EST)
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1. "Rob" |
1) He has athletic ability for stamina based challenges2) He seems to actually have some intelligence for mental challenges 3) Desperation factor - he needs it the most (of course, so did Jeff V and Clarence and look what they did!!!) MeToo P.S. Second choice is John for all the same reasons.
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VanQ 87 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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04-09-02, 07:47 PM (EST)
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2. "JOHN" |
I think that as much as John may feel safe, I think that he has the physical stamina to take on an endurance test. I think that he definitely does have the advantage as he received a scholarship for Cross-country and track for University. And he lists swimming as a hobby, and has shown that he is strong there. He has definitely had practice in endurance racing with his cross country.... but will all depend on what type of endurance will be tested.
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Ra_8secs 1081 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"
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04-09-02, 08:36 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: Kathy" |
LOL, survivabear! Shades of Theresa and Clarence
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cowboyroo 590 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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04-09-02, 08:25 PM (EST)
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6. "Robert" |
I think there are two clues to this in vidcaps:1) In pic of Neleh and Robert hugging, this is in sequence with merge tribe pics, however in all the other clips, Survivors have OLD buffs on. In Neleh/Robert pic, they have NEW buffs on, leading me to believe that one is congratulating the other on an IC victory...Since my boot pic for the week is off in leftfield (Neleh) which I will explain on boot poll, I'm going with Robert for IC. 2) In praying shots, they are wearing their buffs again. I believe they get their new buffs at the IC. In meeting shots, once again they have old buffs. I think they sit down to pray RIGHT AFTER they get back from IC, meaning someone should have IC down. They show several angles of all but Robert, and the only time they show him he is leaning over so he can very well have that ugly necklace on... If it is endurance (staying underwater, I think his mass will work to his favor as well)
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Ra_8secs 1081 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"
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04-09-02, 08:38 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: Robert" |
But fat floats
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Teddy_Bear 1675 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Peanut Festival Grand Marshall"
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04-09-02, 08:28 PM (EST)
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7. "Rob (Re: IC Poll)" |
I vote ROB. According to Jeff Varner's boot pick: Sean--'though I not willing to write off Kathy yet; I think that the Robfather is the one most likely to win the 1st individual IC.
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soulSurvivor_23 84 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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04-09-02, 08:36 PM (EST)
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8. "Rob" |
I believe that Rob will win Immunity, then Sean, being Rob right-hand-man, will go. The conflict between John and Rob will drive the Rotu Four to knock off his support, in Sean.
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Cosmogirl 16 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson"
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04-09-02, 09:06 PM (EST)
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12. "Rob" |
I wavered, because I think Kathy might take it. If it follows past Survivors, this will be the stand-on-a-stump endurance type of challenge, and both of these players understand how fragile thier positions are. I think ultimately, Rob will win this one.
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Granvil the 4th 38 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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04-09-02, 09:55 PM (EST)
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13. "Rob" |
Spoilers point to Sean sticking around, which could mean he wins immunity, as well as other spoilers saying he goes this week. That crosses him off of my list of top choices. Other spoilers point to a Kathy boot - meaning she can't win immunity. Cowboyroo has some good reasons for Robert above. Desperation is often the best motivator for winning ICs. Kathy and Rob are both about equally desperate right now and I think Rob has a bit better chance at winning a physical challenge, unless it's water of course. All in all, I have to go with a gut feeling that the cocky Robfather comes through with an IC win. Why haven't we seen any evidence of this in previews? Why haven't we seen that cockiness previewed? What if we had? We'd all immediately know who got IC and would be able to easily pick Kathy as the bootee. MB won't be having any of that! Therefore the Rob immunity win isn't promoted.
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Mitrelleum 257 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star"
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04-10-02, 00:17 AM (EST)
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15. "Rob" |
Going totally on instinct here, as I am voting for Kathy to get booted. It is the only reason I think Rob will survive this week, and possibly and probably next week. Besides, no one needs it more than him.
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princesstan 20 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson"
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04-10-02, 06:17 AM (EST)
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17. "Sean" |
This will be his only way of making the jury, then being booting next episode, after Rob gets the boot this week.
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Wacko Jacko 2438 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Seventeen Magazine Model"
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04-10-02, 08:14 AM (EST)
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21. "Rob" |
Funny, thing is I pick Ron to get booted too. He needs IC the most but is so obvisious of a boot to me that he needs IC real bad.
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Connie E 117 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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04-10-02, 08:28 AM (EST)
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22. "Zoe" |
And now, for someone totally different.......The first immunity challenge after the merge has always been endurance based...favoring the ladies, gents. T-Bird could have outlasted Clarence, Tina gave in for the good of her alliance to Keith, (didn't see SI, so I can't comment on that). Zoe's already pissed off Rob, she's going to piss off Kathy, and she's going to feel vulnerable. Running a fish boat is one of the dirtiest, hardest jobs in the world...this lady's got to be tough, and I'll bet she can pull this one out......
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sorgee 1455 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson"
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04-10-02, 09:25 AM (EST)
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23. "Rob" |
this kid seems to be able to do what he needs to when he has to. ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::on't do the action if you can't handle the reaction. ~deborah briggs
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lroy 536 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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04-10-02, 09:50 AM (EST)
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25. "Kathy" |
I think that she is desperate at this point, and really feels like she needs it.
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steppingrazor42 283 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star"
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04-10-02, 09:55 AM (EST)
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26. "Tammy" |
More often than not someone who doesn't need it wins it.....I'd love Rob to win just to burn John, but I am thinking someone in the J/T/Z/R alliance....and Tammy seems to give 100% all of the time.
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samboohoo 17173 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-10-02, 12:27 PM (EST)
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29. "RE: IC Poll" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-10-02 AT 12:30 PM (EST)Rob I saw a preview last night on CBS, and the last clip has Rob saying something about it "being a new game now." Even without that, I still think John goes this week, and Rob will win one IC.
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ycartdraw 46 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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04-11-02, 10:47 AM (EST)
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53. "Sean" |
Hope not, but seems likely.
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strone 70 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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04-10-02, 02:30 PM (EST)
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34. "Angry Sean" |
God will be by his side!
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jenbug 40 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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04-10-02, 03:25 PM (EST)
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36. "Sean" |
This is a wild guess..
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lazydazes 28 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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04-10-02, 03:46 PM (EST)
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37. "Rob" |
I think Rob will pull this one out. I think he is desperate to find out some answers on alliances and where he stands in the tribe. I don't think he is going to wait to get those answers from anyone. I think he is going to do everything he can possibly do to try to pull this IC win out so they can't vote him out. I don't think anyone else is as afraid of getting booted as he is right now (Kathy might be a close second - in that she is coming in to a re-vamped Rotu tribe and she is worried she is now the one out numbered!) I think John is competitive enough to win it but I think he has fooled himself in to thinking he is the untouchable leader. Too, what if the argument with Rob and John is b/c Rob wins IC. I can see Rob totally playing with John after his IC win - after he has lied all of this time to John about not booting him - he will vote for him and he will try to get others to vote for him. John gets word of this and, in a desperate-my-plan-is-about-to-backfire-on-me way, accuses Rob of lying to him. Just guessing!
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Kokoro 3899 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge"
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04-10-02, 03:48 PM (EST)
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38. "Votes to Here...." |
LAST EDITED ON 04-10-02 AT 03:53 PM (EST)About time someone put one of these tallies together, eh? This is post #38 counting 35 votes and 2 (violations? - lol well a lot more of them anyway if this is following the standard rules heh ;) Rob ..... 15 Sean .... 8 Kathy ... 4 John .... 3 Robert .. 2 Zoe ..... 2 Tammy ... 1 Nobody has confidence in Vee, Neleh, or Paschal. ---------------------------------------- Now let us never speak of S3 again.
Gabriel: "Alright, John go straight! Straight!" - Um, Gabe? Stop Discrimination Now
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BaquaR13 1336 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson"
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04-10-02, 06:04 PM (EST)
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39. "John" |
Thanks Kokoro for the tally, and evidentally i DO NEED to copy and paste the rules, because i have seen some violators.
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samboohoo 17173 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-11-02, 09:36 AM (EST)
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50. "Rules Violation" |
I'm sorry, I did goof, and then it was too late to fix it. Please accept my humble apologies!!
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jancan 51 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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04-10-02, 07:11 PM (EST)
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40. "Rob" |
He will find his angle...immunity.
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VargasBros 32 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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04-10-02, 08:32 PM (EST)
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41. "Rob" |
He is desperate. He knows without this win, he goes. For 2 reasons: 1. He's not well liked. 2. He's just athletic enough to keep winning these things, and that would put a crimp in everyone's plans. Except his, of course.
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Kokoro 3899 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Thong Contest Judge"
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04-10-02, 08:55 PM (EST)
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42. "Zoe" |
Alt: Robert - either way if you're a target don't expect to win immunity.And I'd just like to give this thread a BuMp in honour of he that ~used~ to do the challenge vote threads. Yeah I know you know who I'm talking about =) ---------------------------------------- Now let us never speak of S3 again. Gabriel: "Alright, John go straight! Straight!" - Um, Gabe? Stop Discrimination Now
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AyaK 10426 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-11-02, 01:04 AM (EST)
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45. "Kathy" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-11-02 AT 06:32 PM (EST)Well, let's see here... We've had four endurance challenges in Survivor so far. S1 -- "Hands on the Immunity Idol" endurance challenge in E13 (#2): Kelly beats Rudy and Dicque (though Dicque quits on purpose). S2 -- pole balancing endurance challenge in E7: Keith and Tina are final two after Alicia drops out; Tina lets Keith (who has a big red X on his forehead) win. S3 -- "shower" endurance challenge in E7: Teresa and Clarence are final two and play 'rock-paper-scissors' for immunity; Teresa wins. S3 -- "Hands on the Immunity Idol" endurance challenge in E13 (#2): Mama Kim beats Lex and Ethan (although each has a legitimate excuse for losing -- a cameraman barfs next to Ethan, and Lex has the trots). I don't think we'll have another "hold your breath underwater" challenge, like we did in S1, because women simply have no chance in those ... and I still think MB would have liked to have had Gretchen make the jury and Greg get booted, which was supposedly Dicque's original plan. Anyway, it looks like there have been six finalists in endurance challenges, of which four were women, and three of those were middle-aged women who weren't challenge threats otherwise. So ... as badly as Rob and Sean might want to win this, I'll predict that Kathy (who is every bit as worried about her future as they are) will p-ss on their chances for immunity, about the same way that she p-ssed on John's sting. Edited to add that starting the IC thread in S2 was delegated by me to skierdude10, and no one picked it up during S3 because we were struggling so much with the boot picks. So, BaquaR13, if you want to start it from now on, be our guest. One rule -- don't start it until after the boot voting thread has been started (which happens on Tuesday). OK?
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tribephyl 12393 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-11-02, 02:16 AM (EST)
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46. "Kathy" |
There are stat's to back up the women's chance for a stamina based win at merge IC,in the past,and even from ladies who would not seem to need it. The ability to win such an IC coupled with the willpower,that of which Kathy has in spades, add in some paranoia(mix with some sweat and hunger)all leads to a dangerous combo. Me thinks John, Robert, Paschel, and Neleh will fall (or jump) first, followed by Sean and Vee and maybe Tammy next, leaving Zoe Rob and Kathy to battle it out. Rob won't be able to do it. at which point Zoe will give it to Kathy.IMO
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SurvivinDawg 6816 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-11-02, 08:35 AM (EST)
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47. "Neleh" |
This is going on that achy, shaky, breaky (footnote 1) limb waaaay out there in left field. But there was a pic of Robert hugging Neleh AFTER their buff turned purple. Some speculate that this is Neleh congratulating Robert.But I think a woman wins this challenge, for the reasons AyaK posted. It could be any of the women, and Kathy winning would solve a lot of bootee problems. But with the next two titles being "Jury's Out" and "Two Peas In A Pod", which suggest Paschal and Neleh, I suspect that Neleh's win here puts a target on her back. So Robert is congratulating Neleh! Besides, if I'm wrong, so what? It's the bootee record that I care about... *** Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shruggedfootnote 1: some one-hit-wonder country singer, "Achy, Breaky Heart".
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hrc2u 146 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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04-11-02, 09:11 AM (EST)
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48. "Kathy" |
Thanks for the reasoning Ayak, totally agree with you. hrc2u
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mindysue 39 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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04-11-02, 09:34 AM (EST)
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49. "Kathy" |
If she doesn't there is no way that she will stay around. I don't think she gets voted off this week. Therefore, she must win IC.
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DeclaringJihadOnSurvivor 60 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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04-11-02, 09:56 AM (EST)
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51. "Pappy" |
I have no clue unless I'm right..of course
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ejm92 2221 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator"
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04-11-02, 10:08 AM (EST)
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52. "The Robfather" |
He'll outlast everyone.
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5Foot3 81 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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04-11-02, 10:52 AM (EST)
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54. "Sean" |
He hasn't been too involved with past challenges and giving one hundred percent. But now it matters and I think we'll see him trying harder. Someone else posted this somewhere and I am going to repeat it. "Has anyone else seen the abs on this guy"?
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sittem 4186 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Jerry Springer Show Guest"
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04-11-02, 11:29 AM (EST)
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55. "Tammy" |
She's tough and she'll take it to anyone. My only pause here is that she doens't have to have immunity so she might give up early in an endurance test because of that. However, she might also stay to the end to beat someone who she wants to vote off.
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PagongRatEater 12996 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-11-02, 12:06 PM (EST)
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57. "John" |
No reason, just a guess to pile up DAW's.
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munson 1314 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson"
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04-11-02, 02:59 PM (EST)
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62. "Kathy" |
She came to play, plain and simple, and she wants to win as much as John and Rob. She may not understand how to play smart, but she sure can play hard. If she's feeling vulnerable at all, that's enough motivation.
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sleeeve 3456 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity"
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04-11-02, 03:27 PM (EST)
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63. "Kathy" |
Okay... the previews are making a big deal about how Kathy's time on the island is over... this means one of two things:1) She wins immunity. 2) She somehow saves herself from the vote in another way. (Note that I don't leave the possibility that she actually gets booted as an option, since we all know how MB thinks, by now)... With a 50-50 shot, I think that she'll win immunity, forcing the rotu four to re-think their strategy, and vote out Rob (since there's no way that they're voting for Neleh or Paschal, yet). My alternate pick is Sean, cause I'm sure that he could win an endurance test, if he puts his mind to it. Might be interesting if Sean and Kathy (Clarence and Teresa???) are the final two in the IC, again... I wonder if Sean will start with scissors
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wepaxson 31 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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04-11-02, 03:49 PM (EST)
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64. "Robert" |
No challenger
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janisella 698 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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04-11-02, 05:43 PM (EST)
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68. "RE: Rob" |
he's young, he's strong, he's desperate
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IceCat 17415 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-11-02, 05:45 PM (EST)
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69. "Rob" |
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AyaK 10426 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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04-11-02, 10:33 PM (EST)
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74. "FINAL VOTE TOTAL" |
This is post #74, which I'm adding solely because the previous subtotal is incorrect. There were 67 votes, 4 tallies and 3 rules violations on this thread. Every survivor received a vote, even lame old Pappy...Rob.........21 Kathy......14 Sean.......12 John.........5 Tammy......4 Zoe..........4 Robert......3 Neleh........2 Paschal.....1 Vecepia.....1 Now, since over 50% of our members voted for Rob to be booted, I made the decision that our board's pick to win IC couldn't be Rob. So, as I said in the West Coast Spoilers thread, our #2 vote-getter, Kathy, had to be our official pick. Next time, though, we need a few more votes, so that we don't end up with this kind of conflict!
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