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"Ep 7 Preview Vidcaps (2nd Preview)"
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"Ep 7 Preview Vidcaps (2nd Preview)" |
Here's a batch of clearer caps from the website promo we discussed over the weekend. A few things worth pointing out:1. With cap #26, the one of John, there is an image of something burning superimposed over him. And it's not a torch or something like that. Something big and circular (looks kinda like a rock) in the center and flames filling the rest of the screen. Don't know what it is. I'll let the other analysts figure out what they see. 2. In cap #28, Tammy holds the note (assumedly the ambassador note) so we can vaguely see it. I tried to enlarge it in cap #28a, but obviously lost clarity. Can anybody else read Blurese? 3. Cap #29, Rob clearly says, "I voluntee-ah." 4. Cap #30, Paschal drops something into the kit that Kathy is carrying. 5. caps #33-34 have a map superimposed over Kathy & Rob walking shots. The map says "Water" on the Kathy part, then pans over to Rob and at the far left of the screen you can see arrows pointing up from the bottom of the bay and the map says "Walk This Way." Any map analysts out there who want to try to pinpoint the location on this one? Keep in mind, it might be a red herring. 
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Naked 887 desperate attention whore postings
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04-08-02, 06:29 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: Ep 7 Preview Vidcaps (2nd Preview)" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-08-02 AT 06:36 PM (EST)
Great work Bungler. Thanks again for all of the pics. On close inspection of the maps, the portion shown on Rob's map is the western side of the island. On the far SW side of the island is where the Maramoos are camped. Superimposed over the Pic of Kathy is the Eastern portion of the island. This is where Rotu is camped. I am basing my ideas with the large lines in the maps representing coastline, and the marking "Water" being about the location of Rotu's waterfall in relationship to the coast. With this info, coupled with Rob's "I volunteer" quote. I am assuming that Kathy and Rob are ammbasadors visiting the opposing camp. Speculation based on these observations.... 1. Kathy and Rob won't have as much time (probably at least 1 day lost) to talk about forming a potential alliance. This is not to say that it can't happen, but it would have to be done pretty quickly. 2. With other pic's showing us the merge happening at Rotu, the tribes probably make the decision to stay at Rotu. (This means that Old Rotu does not listen to Kathy when she talks about how nice the Maramoo camp is and elect to stay there. 3. The night of mystery does not look like it will be a challange. With an ambassador being sent over, I do not see the time availabe for there to be a RC, and Neleh and Paschal are shown with yellow buffs when they discover the skulls. It is my best guess that they will find the skulls, and no explanation will be given for it. The tribes on the Marqueses Islands practiced cannabalism up to just under 100 years ago, so this could be left over dinner. any other ideas.... 
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Rain Crow 374 desperate attention whore postings
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04-09-02, 09:04 AM (EST)
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16. "Map Analysis" |
I used to draw maps. Here is what I see.On vidcap 33, you have the word "water" and lots of what I would call waves, often used on primitive maps to emphasize lakes, oceans, etc. and in our situation, it clearly means the ocean. I believe the bold curving lines indicate the shoreline and the secondary bold line indicates a beach area (an intermittant shoreline). On vidcap 34, you have the same wavy lines, again indicating the ocean. The bold lines are of a different shape, yet still show another beach. The "walk this way" words are obviously on dry land and simply indicate the route for the "ambassadors" to follow to their destination. I don't think any of this means anything vis-a-vis spoiling. We already know there is going to be a merge, so this is just an interesting little excercise in evaluating clues.
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04-09-02, 10:28 AM (EST)
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18. "RE: Map Analysis" |
>I don't think any of this means anything vis-a-vis spoiling.
Disagree. . . if the maps indicate the two of them are being directed to the others' camps it means they won't have time to interact with each other, but if they're being led to the SAME place, I would expect Rob, especially, to try to make the most of it. Even if Kathy didn't fall for his line, I would think her old tribemates would expect her to realize a new partnership might be her only hope for survival. . . she could/should be viewed as a dangerous wild card, depending on how AWARE she is. Whether they're meeting each other or the other tribes, it should be interesting--but somehow I think if they're just getting private time together, it could amount to more.I find it interesting that the two most likely to get booted are the ones allowed to go off like this--interacting with opponents out of sight of their tribes. Seems like there's a greater opportunity for devilment from them than from the people they're leaving behind. Feels to me like the best defense against such schemers is to NEVER let them get out of earshot! More than any other series, I sense this reconnaissance will be more important for strategy than for picking the better campsite. GT
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Rain Crow 374 desperate attention whore postings
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04-09-02, 03:05 PM (EST)
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20. "One Map not Two!" |
I see your point GT. Thanks to you, I went back and looked at the map(s). It is now my opinion that instead of two maps it is only one map! Here are my observations:(1) Observe the word "water" in #33, noting the shape of the letters. Then look at #34 just to the right of Rob's left elbow. The "R" is horribly blurred but there and I see the "T" and "E" also. Looks like possible digital manipulation. (2) Look at the waves immediately below the word "water" in #33 and pay attention to how they line up with the word and the shape of the waves themselves. Then compare them to the waves just above the torch in #34. They are the same. (3) Next, look at the waves located approximately at the 7 or 8 oclock position from the word "water" in #33 and again pay attention to how they line up with the word and the shape of the waves themselves. Then compare them to the waves near Rob's right hand in #34. They are the same. (4) Now we get picky! Look at the word "water" in #33 one more time. About halfway between the word and the waves to its right is a black dot. Keeping in mind the distance and angle to the black dot, switch to #34 and you can find the same dot on the edge of the tree trunk at the right of the photo. (5) Finally, the beach on #33 extends off the left of the map. In #34, the beach also extends off the lower edge of the map (as viewed). The line width, spacing, and shape appear to match. I now believe that instead of two beaches, we have one extened beach and that what previously was thought to be two maps is actually only one. Right next to the "Walk this way" words are what appears to be arrows pointing to the left. If my understanding of the campsites is correct, we are looking at Rob's map since he will have to walk to his left to go toward MooMoo. All I can think of for right now. Hope this helps with other spoiling.
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04-08-02, 06:59 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: Ep 7 Preview Vidcaps (2nd Preview)" |
You Rock Bungler!!!Speculation: Is Rob so quick to volunteer because it has actually occurred to him that it would be in his best interests to form an alliance with the other tribe? I realize it's a stupid question but he does have "Stupid" written on his forehead  ! Most spoilers seem to point to either Kathy or Rob this week. So it's interesting that these 2 are the ambassadors. Assuming, of course, there are 3 alliances right now - New Mu, Old Mu and Rotu 4. The leaders, and the likely targets, are Kathy, Rob and John respectively. It's a 3,3,4 split. So what has to happen to vote these guys off? Kathy: Rotu 4 votes Kathy, Old Mu votes anybody, New Mu votes anybody else. Rob: Rotu 4 votes Rob, Old Mu votes anybody, New Mu votes anybody else. John: Rotu 4 votes anybody, Old and New Mu combine together to vote John. At the moment, Rotu 4 have control as long as they don't allow any hanky panky between the other 2 alliances. According to where we left off last week, they (at least John) seem to have it in for Rob (I don't believe for 1 second that John will knock out his former tribemates to save his sorry a$$). Now, Rob knows this, but Kathy doesn't. Is it possible that Rob's volunteering to be ambassador is part of his plan to join with the New Mu's? Okay, I ask again - somebody please, please, please stop me from rationalizing any more possible ways that Rob does NOT get voted out. I don't even like this guy - honest! Thoughts, anyone? MeToo
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04-10-02, 10:44 AM (EST)
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25. "John blew reward" |
I said it before and i'll say it again - John blew the reward challenge for Rotu, and clearly pissed off Robert and his whole alliance.Rob the opportunist isn't going to let this slide, and I think he does a lot of fast talking this episode. He could totally turn Robert, who looked ready to punch John in the face after they lost the reward. And John telling everyone they were better off without the food didn't help. I find it hard to believe that John the egomaniac would allow anyone but himself to be ambassador, but it does look as though it's Rob. Rob would have been smarter to let John go, so he could bad mouth him to his alliance members. John must have figured this out. As it is, Rob is definately going to tell Kathy about John being the one behind Gabe's boot. I think this is the shocking news she gets. They have no idea it was a unanimous vote, and probably assumed the maraamus turned someone, not the other way around. Rob is smarter (no, really), and craftier than John, so unless John wins immunity, he's my pick this week. Some food for thought.
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04-08-02, 08:05 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: Ep 7 Preview Vidcaps (2nd Preview)" |
Hey, this is my first time posting, so forgive me if this is obviously wrong... but I thought I would offer my insight into the John picture. To me, it looks like a torch being snuffed, with the "snuffer" (for lack of a better word, lol) being held right over the torch. If that is what it is, its placement over a picture of John is interesting. I would be hesitant to say that it is foreshadowing John's booting, but it may well be (although doubtful, because that would be really obvious). The next frame (well the next one shown in the post, which I'm assuming is the one that is next in the preview) is of Kathy. Either one of these is a popular choice for the boot this week. I believe it's possible that the torch being snuffed could be indicative of their INVOLVEMENT in the boot, not necessarily as the bootee. Perhaps if the snuffed torch were shown over the picture of John and still remained when the Kathy shot was shown... this is a really long shot... but maybe it could mean the the "unlikely alliance" this week is between John and Kathy, and they control the booting this week?
Okay here goes... going to post and hope that I don't sound completely stupid 
Or it may just be some fancy editing work to make it look prettier. I don't know if MB is into leaving hidden clues for us hard-core Survivor fans to mull over, or if he just wanted a pretty commercial.
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04-10-02, 01:33 PM (EST)
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29. "Not necessarily" |
I think that a OldMoo-NewMoo alliance is even less likely than a John-Kathy alliance. Yes, it would be smart for the two minority alliances to team up and take out the other alliance (and it would probably be more interesting for Ep 8 to have 3 alliances of 3 people and see what happens from there). But when did Survivors ever do what was smart or what would make interesting TV?
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04-08-02, 10:08 PM (EST)
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8. "Just more questions. . ." |
Thank YOU, Bungler! I wore my eyes out trying to figure out those gauzy map shots from Sfever--and finally gave up; the clearer pics make it a no-brainer. . . ("Water," duh!)As for the shot of John, I played with that a while, running it through various filters and adjustments to maximize contrast and differentiate between objects:  . . . and I STILL can't make anything of the odd object superimposed there. Even tried to think of what objects we might have seen that compare to it--it looks to me like a thin slice of tree trunk or something on top of a rock/column. . . note the squared-off edge on the top piece? I also can't tell if the fire is actually below it (maybe an odd angle at TC?), or is simply another thing added to the collage. But what's more interesting is what I saw in the upper right: 
Looks like first-aid boxes or something. Could be a hint that John the Klutz manages another hilarious injury--but as I've been fooled by something similarly strange each season (i.e. odd animals juxtaposed in S3,) I'm inclined to think MB is simply screwing with us, and all this means nothing. A big, fat nothing. Oh, for something as easy to debunk as Colby's penis. . . GT (who apparently has too much time on her hands. . .)
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04-09-02, 07:23 AM (EST)
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11. "Cap #30" |
Sorry if this has already been said. I was thinking that maybe Mumu puts different size ropes (Or whatever Paschel drops in) in a bag, and they each pull one out. Person with the longest, or shortest, is the ambassador. What do you guys think?
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George Tirebiter 2982 desperate attention whore postings
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04-10-02, 02:11 PM (EST)
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31. "RE: Just more questions. . ." |
drich! I looked all over for shots of the TC firepit and such, and never saw that one:
The grooves appear to go opposite of the double-exp. shot, but that flat piece on top looks like a dead ringer. (I also wondered about whether it was a buff, but couldn't reconcile that with the top part.) As for WHY he'd do this? I assume just to mess with us. I keep trying to watch the ads to see this part, but if this appears, it flies by too quickly to really see; it seems to be solely for the Spoilers--it's not that it even is in the midst of a segue to the next scene! (not the next scene of the PROMO, anyway.) Question is, is it supposed to allude to John GETTING the boot, or ORCHESTRATING the boot for someone else? . . . GT
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04-10-02, 08:51 AM (EST)
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24. "Double exposure with a buff" |
This vidcap is clearly a double (maybe a triple!) exposure. Sure looks like a buff worn on someones head to me. If so, then it could be another person just to the right. The "flames" at the bottom could be a reflection off glasses or part of the triple (?) exposure.
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04-09-02, 07:50 AM (EST)
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12. "RE: Ep 7 Preview Vidcaps (2nd Preview)" |
I didn't really catch this in watching the preview but looking at the still images, cap 39 is sticking out. There are two thoughts for this text... 1) To the K/N/P group, don't forget what Gina said about Rob being slime. 2) More Likely, to J/R/T/Z, remeber how much you didn't like Kathy before. I have continued to go back and forth this week for the Rob or Kathy boot, but this image made me think of last weeks show and right after it was done my gut said Kathy next week. Does anyone else think MB would give us this type of clue?
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04-09-02, 08:23 AM (EST)
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13. "RE: Ep 7 Preview Vidcaps (2nd Preview)" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-09-02 AT 08:26 AM (EST)I keep thinking the vidcap with John and the shadow is an image of a person. There may even be another partial person at the far right. 
edited to add: What do I think it means? Not a damn thing. Just cool photography for marketing purposes.  J A V A
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04-09-02, 08:27 AM (EST)
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14. "RE: Ep 7 Preview Vidcaps (2nd Preview)" |
I too saw the face at the far right but I dismissed it as rock formations. Unfortunately, there is no way to determine who these people are from the image. Shadows don't contain facial features.
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04-09-02, 03:52 PM (EST)
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21. "RE: Ep 7 Preview Vidcaps (2nd Preview)" |
I think it is Vee! After all she has been mostly transparent thoughout the show.
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04-10-02, 10:57 AM (EST)
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27. "RE: Does the map mean a new site?" |
If you look at the first set of vidcaps, where they show the prayer scene with Neleah, there's a pretty solid structure in the background. I don't think they would have had time to build a new structure that fast, therefore, it must be Rotu beach.
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04-10-02, 02:30 PM (EST)
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32. "RE: Does the map mean a new site?" |
Also, if you look in the background, there is Rotu's sad-excuse-for-a-SOS beside their shelter. There is no question this is Rotu's beach.
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