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May I be the first to say how proud I am of you guys for having an almost perfect vote thread last week? I can! Thanks! I'm short on time (among other things) so let's get on with it. THE RULES 1.Please put the name of your choice for this week's bootee IN THE SUBJECT HEADING! Simply replace the section of your post that reads: "Re:SurvivorBlows Tribe, It's Time to Vote!" with your pick. Violators from last week's thread are: Foolishgirl! I thought Dabo had violated too, but it turned out to be a vote total post. Way to fool me, Dabs! 2. Reply ONLY to this post! Do not reply to the last post on this thread. Do not reply to any other post on this thread. After reading these rules on THIS post click on the "reply" button in the bottom right of THIS POST ONLY. Violators from last week's thread are: nobody! Well...maybe Shakes and Webby, but that's up in the air. I knew that a vote change was perfectly legal, but I'd never seen a vote retraction so...I guess you may taunt both Shakes and Webby just to be safe. 3. THIS IS NOT A DISCUSSION THREAD! DO NOT TREAT IT AS SUCH! When you make your post, feel free to give your reasoning and your theories in the message portion. BUT, for further discussion of said theories, take it outside. And on to: THE STRONGLY WORDED SUGGESTIONS 1. If you read the summary and didn't get a chance to thank the writer, now would be a great time to do so. This week's summary writer was Bebo. Great Summary, Bebo! 2. Taunt previous violators of the rules at will upon their first violation. Since we have so few violators this week, feel free to also taunt me for thinking that TechNoir was a guy. *blush* Ok! That's it for now. Remember to follow the rules please and as always, HAPPY VOTING! 
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03-26-02, 10:10 PM (EST)
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2. "Hey Sean..." |
...it's time for you to go!
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03-26-02, 10:14 PM (EST)
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3. "The Robfather" |
I think Sean will make the merge - if Gervase, Nick, and Clarence can, he can too.
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03-26-02, 10:25 PM (EST)
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4. "Rob" |
I hate him and his remarks. Good riddance.
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03-26-02, 10:34 PM (EST)
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5. "Sean!" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-26-02 AT 10:39 PM (EST)Sean practically screams "VOTE ME OFF!!!" - as a matter of fact, he did scream it at my cute, sweet, pookie-ookie angel-face Gabriel in episode 4! Even though the "Robfaddah" is just as bad as Sean, he's at least learned the art of keeping a slightly lower profile while being a flaming asshole! BEBO!!! We love Bebo!!! Awesome summary, hon! Taunts: 1. Foolishgirl - you foolish girl, LOL!!!! (Didn't see that one comin', didja? Hee hee!)  2. OOOH!!!! I get to taunt Webby and Shakes! Suuuh-weeeet!!!!! I can't come up with a good taunt for our illustrious Webmaster and Clownie - I'll just glare at you sternly, like Judge Judy! 3. Supe-Da-Loop, you silly rabbit!!! Not peeking under Tech Noir's skirt when ya had the chance!  Alternate pick - Da Robfaddah! As a matter of fact, since this week's episode airs right before the dual religious holidays of Easter and Passover, I'd like to exercise my religious freedom and pray for either Sean or Rob's ouster! *Are you there, God? ItzMe, ItzLisa. I've been batting zero this season on this thread, Dear Lord, so please let either one of these obnoxious jerks take the fall this week! Amen* ****************************************
 
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6. "Rob" |
No one sees Sean as a threat because of his little tirade last week. Therefore Rob goes. Or not. I'm really bad at this.
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03-26-02, 11:29 PM (EST)
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7. "Sean" |
I can only hope . . .
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03-26-02, 11:53 PM (EST)
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11. "Gabriel" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-27-02 AT 00:52 AM (EST)Well, 90% of the cast (even those not on the team) told us that Sean and Rob would be the first out of the tribe....It's time for a surprise. <plus I'm choosing to believe a certain linking of spoilers> I figured I might as well throw some info in here with all the spec I think is relevant this week (including the first one that I have decided to go with;) Bootees possible (IMO): Mara: Kathy, Neleh, Gina Rotu: Gabriel, Rob, Sean Info supporting Gina/Gabe making an early exit: * Wanda = Hunter and Gina's Loser Lodge relationship * Gabe's mom = Gabe talks constantly about Gina * Gabe's vacation photo (although this one is extremely iffy, even on the EZboard which usually welcomes anything) Info supporting Sean lasting longer: * The SNews/TP spoiler that suggests he goes at least into final 8 or so, winning a certain reward challenge In support of Rob sticking around: * He was just profiled this week. Sarah was profiled last week and went; I really don't think that would happen twice. Neleh/Kathy speculation/rumor: * First the "End of Innocence" title could easily apply to Neleh (just as it could apply to a lot of other things) * There's a Kathy spoiler thread going on the EZboard saying she's the first post-merge bootee; I'm not saying it's true (although it sounds better than a lot of the EZboard crap) but the only way I see them doing that is if she screwed Neleh or Paschal over (and I really don't think Paschal is developed enough to be booted) Vecepia info, just because she could be a target: * Sarah gives advice to Vecepia alone....could this be because the only Mara to make the next phase of the game is Vecepia? (7 original Mara boots in a row?) * Also, the only thing the other booties have said about her is "I thought she was a nice person" or "I guess we weren't as close as I thought." Yay Bebo.
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12. "Sean (big dumb reasons included)" |
Odds on Rotu going to TC:
1) Losing IC by accident = 5%
2) Losing IC on purpose = 45%Odds-wise, I'd put Rotu at a 50% chance of TC visit. Evidence of Rotu going to TC:
1) Rob's blue wrist band at TC vidcap (ep5 or ep6)
2) "End of Innocence" title Evidence pushes 50% odds to 80%, so Rotu goes to TC Odds of Sean getting booted:
1) 1 in 4 (25%)= Sean, Rob, Gabe, Surpriseboot
2) If extra weight is given to potential bootees that have been shown having conflict with another Rotu member, then 1 in 2 (50%) = Sean or Gabe So 50% odds of Sean getting boot. Support for Sean getting boot:
1) CBS eyemail done Logic of Sean getting boot:
1) Physical threat at merge
2) Not an original Rotu
3) Not trying to integrate with new tribe
4) Outspoken negative attitude Odds of sean boot with support and logic = 80% Speculation/spoilers AGAINST Sean boot:
1) TP article of Sean winning family visit late in game (although I'd like to dismiss all TP flubs, I have a hard time seeing this as a mistranslation or slight memory failure)
2) Pre-game alliance with Gabe speculation. Odds of Sean boot with TP article potential spoiler = 60% Odd of Sean boot with Alliance speculation = 55% (I don't really buy it) Overall Sean boot odds = 55%, enough for me to risk it.
Go play with your weather man at Loserville.
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03-27-02, 00:16 AM (EST)
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13. "Sean" |
Going with Occam's Razor this time round.
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03-27-02, 01:24 AM (EST)
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15. "Gabriel" |
1) Has a CBS Eyemail, not that that means too much...2) My CBS "Glamour shots" theory which everyone mocks...Hunter, Gina, Sarah and Gabriel are all photographed under same tree in clothing we had not ever seen them wear on show and Vecepia's messy hair leading me to believe "Glamour Shots" taken after boot. Sarah/Hunter gone, Gina and Gabriel to go....I think Gina goes next week, when the title is "Underdogs" which she has been often referred too... 3) Gabriel, being the "Want to get to know you" kinda guy he is may have made an "innocent" comment to the extent of....let's keep them around a bit so we can get to know them....type of deal which makes rest of original Rotu doubt his trustworthiness and opt to boot him... 4) Foreshadowing when Rob stated Gabriel thinks he is smart, but is not as smart as he thinks he is....Rob likes the psychology stuff.... 5) Sean and Rob made WAY too obvious last episode..ain't gonna happen 6) MB showed Maraamu praying.....I can't see MB having a pray scene to the losing team.....wouldn't make for good TV in his eyes.... Alternate.....None
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03-27-02, 01:34 AM (EST)
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16. "Sean, please!" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-27-02 AT 01:40 AM (EST)
I can't wait to see Sean's comments after he gets the boot!
R.I.P. (Recreating In Paradise):
Peter Harkey: Alien from Uranus getting into the best shape of his life.
Patricia Jackson: Nacho Mama chillin' at the Loser Buffet.
Hunter Ellis: The Knuckleheads have spoken sending the Eagle to go scuba diving.
Sarah Jones: Miss No-nos begins her tropical vacation at last.
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17. "John" |
I don't believe I'm doing this, and will kick myself if Gabriel or Sean is voted off, but there is evidence of Sean staying, I do believe Rob is the villain and won't get very far without Sean, and I see John's intensity as paranoia. There has been ALOT of John in every episode except the last, and possibly Gabriel and others may vote him off if they see him as a weakness towards the tribes mentality by having doubt and possibly planning against them.
As I'm writing this, I am still swaying between Gabriel and Sean, because there is so much evidence to support either of their boots, so I chose the one that would be the biggest surprise of the three.
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03-27-02, 06:49 AM (EST)
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20. "Rob" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-28-02 AT 11:36 AM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 03-27-02 AT 08:22 AM (EST) Alternate: Gabe
(this would make more sense if I were a Rotu (and be less boring as a viewer), but we rarely see contestants voting "smart") While Sean *should* go and is being "handed" to us, that is a reason I'd suspect he does not go just yet. Gabe and John are being "shown" as well, but I do not think either's story is finished just yet (though that can happen within one ep) Also, I don't think we've seen religion affect the game yet (with 4 people, incl 1 Mormon (Neleh)), where religion comes into play with how they vote) - I think 3 of the 4 are most likely Neleh, Vee, and Sean, so that would mean they all make the merge, at least. For Rob to go: Is only MooMoo not listed above (religion) Body language shows Rob is still outsider Story well-developed - he could easily be "finished" in 1 ep. Lots of pics on CBS site Some validity to CowboyRoo's "glamour photos" and, because despite the doubts we've seen, Rotu alliances are not sufficiently strong to evict another Rotu just yet - easier to turn on a MooMoo. Rob is less (visibly) lazy, thus a greater potential threat in challenges. Sean has been repeatedly described as "very funny" by tribemates, despite the editing by MB. He can be "disposed of" later. Lastly, it's as good a guess as any! Bebo, thanks for the summary! edited to add one more minor "checkmark":
Rob is the center photo in the "who is next?" promo just shown on SeeBS (8:20AM, EST), same slot Sarah had last week. edited again to say: "can I postpone this pick to next week?" I'd then change my vote to Gina this week (though they'd win the RC first, then) and then back for Rob next week. Heck, I won't actually change it, because I haven't enough time to figure it about, so it's just a guess anyway. ;)
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03-27-02, 07:27 AM (EST)
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21. "Sean" |
blah... yup, that's it. alternate is Rob.
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03-27-02, 07:47 AM (EST)
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22. "Sean" |
Unless that anus MB comes up with another inane "twist" that fouls up the game for all of us!
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03-27-02, 07:55 AM (EST)
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23. "Gina" |
There aren't two challenges Maraamu can win.
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03-27-02, 08:28 AM (EST)
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24. "SEAN " |
It is time for this race card playa to leave.
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03-27-02, 08:53 AM (EST)
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27. "Angry Sean" |
Sorry
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03-27-02, 09:03 AM (EST)
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28. "Sean" |
I have to believe that the love tribe sticks together and that Sean marked himself last week. Alternate pick is Rob
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03-27-02, 10:11 AM (EST)
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29. "Sean" |
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03-27-02, 10:21 AM (EST)
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30. "Pappy" |
He might not get booted, but it's worth a try...this week I think we'll see our first tie, and somehow Pappy will get voted off with Gina and Kathy voting against him. Alternate Pick - Rob.
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03-27-02, 10:39 AM (EST)
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33. "Sean..." |
Even though Survivornews.net has him surviving until the merge.Rotu must go to tribal council. Rob changes his Buff position frequently, but the image of him in the blue buff at tribal council matches it the same way he was wearing it at the challenges. http://www.survivornews.net/article?id=28 and 
Blue Buff on same right hand near lower wrist. He has not worn the buff that way at all previously. So if you assume Rotu is going to TC, you have to assume Sean is the most logical bootee from that tribe. (As a side note, my gut says Kathy but like Lex, my gut is usually wrong whe it comes to Survivor picks)
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FesterFan1 5947 desperate attention whore postings
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03-27-02, 10:40 AM (EST)
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34. "Sean" |
I'm convinced that Rotu goes to TC before the merge due to the production error/plant of Rob's Rotu buff from E1. That means this episode or next (or both) a Rotu will take the walk of shame.I can't think of one good reason that Rotu would start to cannibalize themselves in favor of the idiot brothers. Alliances are probabaly set and Sean isn't making any friends in his new home. The only other possibility is that Rob goes first, but I think this latest "Robfaddah" promo is to take attention away from the obvious Sean boot. Nope, I'm sticking with Dawg's Hollow Theory on this one. Bebo, you and your summary still rock!  Fester
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03-27-02, 10:53 AM (EST)
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36. "RE: Sean" |
can't argue with logic this time
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03-27-02, 10:54 AM (EST)
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37. "Sean" |
If Rotu loses it makes no sense to vote anyone else out.What benefit would Rotu see in keeping Sean around? Can someone please tell me that. The original Rotu has been quoted many times saying they get along so great. Does no one believe them? There is no reason not to. Also win the merger was made does anyone really think that 5 to 8 that Maramuu will come out on top? Especially with Sarah now gone and 4 to 8. No way. Gina and Vee are the only two Mara with any chance of making the merge. Vee even hinted that she was not playing Sean and Robs game any more. Vee votes against Sean this episode to fit in with Rotu.
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03-27-02, 11:03 AM (EST)
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38. "ROB" |
I think Rotu will throw IC and Rob will get the boot over Sean.
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03-27-02, 11:32 AM (EST)
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39. "SEAN" |
FINALLY!
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03-27-02, 11:37 AM (EST)
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41. "Sean" |
It's overdue. You've had :18 of fame, which is more than you deserve.
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03-27-02, 12:06 PM (EST)
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43. "Sean" |
Hell, I don't know. And I'm starting to care less and less too. Sean seems to have the best odds this week, but I bet it will be Kathy, the one week when no one actually votes for her.Now, ordinarily, I do not engage in either taunting or praising in the vote thread, 'cause I just like to vote and that's it. But come on, who can resist an open invitation to taunt shakes, Webby, AND Superman? Not me. So there, I taunt all of you! But of course, you know I only do it out of love.
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03-27-02, 12:21 PM (EST)
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45. "Sean" |
1) His head is on the chopping block for being a lazy, loudmouthed, idiot who doesn't seem to really want the mil.2) EyeMail featured people who have a good chance of going:
Rob & Sean...no Gina on there yet. 3) Why Rob over Sean? I haven't been able to see the logic by all the people after last week that thought Rob would go before Sean. What set Sean apart is his little tirade last week. Rob at least isn't purposefully ruffling any feathers. "Evidence" in support of Rob staying over Sean: Sarah made a comment about Rob being able to "fit in" in Rotu, Rob featured in new preview, could be misdirection. Many shots were old, leading me to believe that the preview is making out his part this week more than it really will be. Gina, Rob, Sean, & Kathy were my four choices for this week, and EyeMail helped me narrow it down to two. The choice between Rob and Sean was easy for me.
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03-27-02, 12:31 PM (EST)
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47. "Sean" |
Sean's lazy butt will get booted this week.
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03-27-02, 12:36 PM (EST)
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48. "Gabe" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-27-02 AT 12:37 PM (EST)I think that Rotu goes to TC Thurs. night, and that there is going to be an upset -- divided tribal lines in Rotu lead to a schism. I think the "new leader" is a red herring, in a way. I think that we will be shown Robfather trying to sway some old-Rotus to join him, but that the real new leader will be Tammy or John, and that they see this as their only chance to get rid of Gabe. They don't know if/when the merge is going to happen, and once Gabe/Zoe rejoin with Neleh/Pashal, they'll have the upper hand over the old-Rotus, and so I think there is a power grab by Tammy, leading to a Gabe boot. Could be wishful thinking on my part, but one can always dream, right? Edited to fix the date of the show. I forgot we have to wait until Thursday this week. Arg!
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50. "Kathy" |
I am still surprised she is still on the island. But I think the end of innocence is going to be when an original Rotu votes out another original Rotu. Pappy and Neleh are going to join Gina and vote out the annoying Kathy. I really think Maraamu is going to TC again. And I don't think there would be any end of innocence if the former Rotus voted out Gina. I also don't think it is the end of innocence if the original Rotus (on Rotu) vote out a former Maraamu. And I can't see the Rotus voting out one of their own on that tribe quite yet.
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51. "ROB!" |
Rob & Sarah appear to have already played out their budding Romance on Looser Cruiser, so this indicates Rob fails to make the merge. If that's the case then he's 1 of the next 2 out.Forshadowing from Rob's comments in episode 2 - 'do I side with Hunter and be a worker bee, or side with Sean and risk looking stupid' - He's going to pay for siding with Sean. Rotu given a choice between dumping Rob or Sean will dump Rob to avoid charges that racism played a role in their votes. Hunter's post boot interview indicates he and Sean never had a chance to reconsile their differences, so Sean likely makes the merge.
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03-27-02, 04:09 PM (EST)
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54. "Sean" |
he put his foot right in it this time...
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03-27-02, 05:42 PM (EST)
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56. "Sean" |
Sorry Dude!
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03-27-02, 06:17 PM (EST)
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58. ""Vote Totals So Far"" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-27-02 AT 06:20 PM (EST)This is post #58, summarizing 54 votes. Sean continues his huge lead....<btw thanks Ayak ^-^> Sean.........37
Rob...........8
Gabriel.......4
Gina..........2
John..........1
Paschal.......1
Kathy.........1
Tammy.......UTR
Neleh.......UTR
Zoe.........UTR
Vecepia.....UTR
Robert......UTR
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03-27-02, 06:57 PM (EST)
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59. "See ya Sean!" |
What an angry lazy racist jerk...
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03-27-02, 07:21 PM (EST)
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61. "Gabriel" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-27-02 AT 07:24 PM (EST)I haven't been spoiling at all, but I guessed Sarah correctly last week, so I'll try again. Basically, like Kokoro, I figure the person to go this week is either Gabriel or Gina: Gabe because he's not "tight" with Tammy, who is the real power at Rotu (Rob and Sean are clearly disposable at will), and Gina because she's the last member of her tribe and someone has to go. Frankly, I figured Gina would go so she'd have "sack time" with Hunter before Gabe came along to get mesmerized by her. But that was the same mistake I made in S3 when it came time to boot Brandon -- I figured Frank had to go first, so that Kelly would have some time to bond with him. Duh. Seeing that the episode title is "The End of the Innocence," it implies that Rotu has to go to TC. Rotu TC equals Gabe boot. Uh, if I'm wrong, sorry; it's a SWAG. At least I feel better knowing that someone whose logic I respect (Kokoro was one of the best predictors on this board during S2 and HAS been spoiling the show) agrees with me. OH, and to ALL the summary writers so far, GREAT WORK! I'll post on your threads when I have some time...
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62. "GiNa" |
I think the whole title of this episode is suppose to be misleading. And of course if Rotu does lose it will definetly be Gina that goes.
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63. "Sean" |
I think Rotu will do whatever it takes to get rid of him, even throw the challenge if they have to.
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65. "Gabriel..." |
LAST EDITED ON 03-28-02 AT 01:27 AM (EST)and his Teddy Bear are "The End of Innocence." The new dynamic in Rotu demands that the players pay attention to the game, but Gabe isn't into the game, he just enjoys directing camp life and winning challenges. When it turns out that Gabe is susceptible to being manipulated by the Maraamu among them, and add to that that he too is a threat in the impending individual challenges, it becomes too great a risk for the Rotu to keep him around. Alternate pick: John. edited to add: BEBO! That was an incredible summary, way to bat clean-up! Honestly, anyone who hasn't read it yet should rush on over and do so IMMEDIATELY! Amazing, brilliant, fun stuff.  SMILES ARE FREE
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66. "Rob" |
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69. "Robfather" |
He was my pick before the recent promos. 2nd choice: Gabe, 3rd choice Neleh.
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70. "Sean" |
Sean.....good riddance. Vacations over...Go back to your miserable life!
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03-28-02, 06:12 AM (EST)
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71. "Gabe" |
In addition to all the spoilers listed above, my take on the game logic:Gabe and John are alpha males of Rotu prior to swap. John is playing the game (huge fan); Gabe wants an acting career afterwards and doesn't care about winning. He does seem to care about a loving commune, unlike John who constantly worries about how to be valuable. Their styles clash. We have a situation where it's likely that 7 or even all 8 Rotu could make the merge and it's possible their alliances could split 4-4 or 4-3; therefore John needs to take out Gabe NOW, before that happens, particularly since Gabe is close to Neleh and Paschal. When they return, Gabe will have more allies; right now he is vulnerable. Rob will be happy to assist by playing either or both sides and offering the votes of his 'indie puppets' to whomever makes him the most attractive promises and/or makes him feel well endowed.
(Nice serving wench strategy, Tammy.) John and Rob represent strategy, Gabe innocence, which ends this episode, showing that the strategists prevail. Big surprise. Evil serpents have corrupted yet another Eden. My biggest problem with Gabe going is in trying to imaginine Mara winning a blindfold challenge (if that's IC) when they suck at teamwork. Maybe John runs into something sharp and cries and Robert'll stub his toe, dunno how it will work. Maybe it's as simple as Rotu wanting to throw the challenge. A blindfold challenge is so easy to throw cause you just have to act like you're disoriented and confused. I do that without a blindfold, so should be a piece of cake. If Mara goes to TC, alternate is Gina. Aloha to everyone and thanks for keeping the old OFG theory alive; Gabe is right in the center of the previews this week, yet Rob's promo presence is so extreme that all others are dwarfed in comparison. So if I'm right this is a "bootee COA promo somewhat camouflaged with mega redherring" week... Where that falls in the gamut of named variations I do not know.  
See you next week when Spring Break is over...
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72. "Paschal" |
Ever since I heard the title of EP5, I couldn't shake the idea of the legal connotations of the word 'innocence' and how Paschal is a judge. That word could also apply to Neleh in terms of her consistent depiction in the narrative to date.The possibility of a burgeoning alliance between Gina and Kathy was raised last week. Whether this alliance will occur is entirely dependant upon how self aware Kathy has become by the time of EP5. If Kathy realizes that she is not exactly seen as Ms. Congeniality with her current and former Rotus, she may be able to put 2 and 2 together and realize that (should the Maras lose two more ICs) she is the next to be booted after Gina. Gina will be desperate to find an alliance of any kind at this point and will play upon Kathy's smallest fears in an effort to make Kathy turn. I think that Mara will go to TC once again; Paschal and Neleh with vote for Gina; Gina and Kathy will vote for Paschal. Gina will win the tie-breaker and the 'verdict will be in'. 
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73. "Gabe......" |
The most likely two people from a general viewers standpoint would have to be Sean and Rob, since they are the outsiders who complain and are lazy etc.. However, we all know that MB is great at making us thing certain people are the likely ones to get the boot and those people end up sticking around for whatever reason. So for that reason, I say they will stick around this week(I realize this is fuzzy logic, but what else do we have to work with?). That leaves us to the third choice, on Rotu..... Gabe is the only other person in Rotu that would any sense. Vee is too quiet and does not cause any drama, so people seem to like her. The other old members of Rotu are just following the leader at this stage, and one or more of them could easily be getting tired of Gabe's leadership. So for that reason, I am going with Gabe, and for those of you who also voted for Gabe, this probably puts a stamp on the fact that he will definitely stick around this week.
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74. "Gina" |
I think if Mara goes to TC Gina has to be gone. While MB has tried to play up a split between Paschal/Neleh and Kathy, I don't think it is real. I'm almost sure the confessional of Neleh complaining about Kathy last episode was really from E1 or E2, which means they aren't voting her out, and I don't think Kathy gains herself any extra time on the island by jumping ship to Gina, who isn't allied with anybody in New Rotu. So the question for me is: Will Mara go to TC?, which as kokoro points out really means Will Rotu throw the IC? I think that the logic of some of our most esteemed members urging a Gabe boot shows that the answer to that is that they won't. As Gabe and John both well realize, anytime you go to TC, there is a chance you will be voted out. The Rotu alliances, even if hidden and solid, are untested. The likelihood of either Sean or Rob winning even 5 or 6 immunity challenges in a row is small. Besides, if Rotu was going to throw challenges why not throw the last one? Sean and Rob are more of a threat than Sarah was, that's for sure. I think a Gina boot also fits in best with the E6 title "The Underdogs." In that case, you have 2 clear sets of underdogs, New Mara who can't win a challenge and Old Mara, who know they are in a big minority but still fighting. If Mara finally wins a challenge and somebody like Gabe gets a boot, its anybody's game again and there are no underdogs. Rob is being far too featured to go. While I'm tempted to vote for Sean (and hereby make him my alternate), the sheer reaction of people who want him gone make me think that like Jerri he hangs on for a few more episodes before everybody gets sick of him. So I'm left with the obvious boot that everybody's ignoring. Sorry Gina, my love, the show won't be the same without you.
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03-28-02, 09:28 AM (EST)
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75. "Sean" |
I like the new theories for Gabe going this week. But I'm not buying it. The end of the innocence just means that Rotu finally goes to tribal council. It's just that easy...
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03-28-02, 09:37 AM (EST)
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76. "Gabe" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-28-02 AT 09:56 AM (EST)Because I had a dream that Gabe gets voted out! Actually I love Gabe and hopes he sticks around, but I do see the logic of him going this week. First, the swap definitely means an end of the Love Tribe as we knew it. Up until that point, they never had to go to Tribal Council, all eight were together, so there was no reason to visibly splinter. Secondly, the swap forces them to play the game. This may be what "End of the Innocence" means. They have to concoct a plan, and simply picking off Maraamu's until you are down to 8 is not necessarily the best strategy. So where does that leave us? Well Rob is definitely scheming. It's what he does best! I can't say that he has influenced any Rotu members, but I am sure they are aware of him and his devious mind. They are certainly aware that Maraamu's strongest male Hunter was ousted, so they may begin looking at individual imunity threats now as the merge quickly approaches. That would be Gabe first, John second, and Rob third. Power in Rotu? I do think Gabe is considered the leader, but I also think two of his biggest allies are now in Maraamu. If the tribes merge with all eight Rotu's, then Gabe will still hold power. John and Tammy probably realize this. If they feel they are on the outer edges of Gabe's tribe, then it makes perfect sense to oust him now. The Rob and Sean factor. First Sean. Yes he is lazy and anti-social. Yet he is not a threat because of these very reasons. He will ride Rob's coattails as long as Rob is around. Myth: Sean is an Individual Immunity threat. He is not an Immunity Threat. Most IC's are not purely physical. Most involve wit, agility, or endurance. He has shown no propensity for any of these things. He is the kind of guy you can keep around as you remove bigger threats (Immunity Threats, Alliance threats, popular F2 threats). Drats!!! Edited to say I wrote more, but it didn't go through???? And I'm too lazy to rewrite the rest! Actually I hope Gabe stays because I like him! Cheers to Bebo! 
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77. "Gabe" |
I don't buy the pic.I don't understand the logic. I do though think there are a whole lot of intangible things pointing towards him leaving this evening. Sean is much more obvious than Rob, and yet there are several things pointing to Sean making the merge. If not Sean then who? Rob? Based on everything we have seen why would anyone get rid of Rob before Sean? Doesn't make any sense to me either. Ok how about Maaramu. Gina? Kathy? I don't see the Neleh-Paschal combo turning on Kathy yet (if ever). I don't see Gina going this week. Who is left? Neleh-Paschal? I Don't see Kathy turning on them anymore than I see them turning on Kathy. That leaves us an original Rotu on NewRotu. Tammy has had a lot of screen time, but seems safe. John has had a lot of screen time but not recently. Robert and Zoe have been invisible so it isn't their time. By process of elimination who does it leave? Gabe, take your teddy, it's time for you to go. -ICB
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78. "Sean!" |
Superman, I did not read anywhere in the rules above about people joining in after the season has begun. If I can still get in, Sean is my vote for bootie this week. If it is too late to join, please delete my post.
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03-28-02, 10:21 AM (EST)
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79. "Sean" |
His story has been told.
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03-28-02, 10:39 AM (EST)
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81. "Gabe" |
OMG, I was gone last week and forgot to tape the darn episode. But I have been doing my reading here, and, improbable as it seemed at first, I am going with Gabe. I like the "innocence" connection, and I agree that John sees that Gabe has to go. It's kind of like the so-called alpha male thing that led to Hunter's boot - this time, it's more legitimate. And Rob and Sean (grrrrr) will still be around to torment us, and they'll feel all high and mighty that Gabe went, but it's really John pulling the strings. Their time will come, oh yes, their time will come....(please oh please oh please).Bebo - awesome awesome summary! You saved me, since I didn't see the ep - and anyway, the summary is better than the actual episode anyway. You are one fantastic babe!!!!!!
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03-28-02, 11:04 AM (EST)
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83. "Robfather" |
It's a Linda repeat - too obvious!
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03-28-02, 11:12 AM (EST)
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84. "Gabe" |
He just scares me
And why would anyone watch if Rob and Sean
left now?
*it is good to note that since I am not voting for Kathy
that means she is most likely leaving this week..
I hate irony*
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03-28-02, 11:29 AM (EST)
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86. "Sean" |
Going with the obvious this time by putting some credence on Pat saying she did not know any Rotu.
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88. "KATHY" |
Finally, the one week that people have stopped focusing on Kathy as the favourite to be booted... she gets the boot!Reasons: I see the latest promos of Rob to be a little too good to be true so I think he's safe this week. Maybe getting set up for a fall next week? Sean is 'disposable' any time as others have suggested and while he might be a very good choice as a boot due to his big mouth, I just get the feeling it's a bit too obvious. Lots of good speculation about Gabriel and why he might get the boot... but I don't buy it, yet. Rotu is a very strong tribe. They haven't lost a single competition to date and they're stronger than before the switch. I don't see them losing easily and they'd have to go to extremes to throw any challenges. So... that brings us to Moomoo... Kathy was shown to be annoying people last week and I believe that Gina is making enough of an impression on Neleh and Paschal that these two will think that she's more worthy of keeping around than Kathy is. There's also the matter of Hunter saying he values Gina's friendship but hasn't really had time to assess whether she's someone he would like to explore a relationship with (not sure of the exact quote, but it was something like that) -- this tells me that Gina doesn't go to Loser Lodge, but makes the jury so she doesn't have time with Hunter until after the show is over, and of course, it's hard to carry on stuff back here in the USA with the whole country watching for Survivor contestant sightings. So... to me, Kathy is the most logical pick du jour. Backup votes: Rob (Rotu) and Gina (Moomoo).  
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03-28-02, 12:07 PM (EST)
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89. "Gabe" |
For numerous reasons, most of them, very well stated by others above. I expect it could be a tie vote, between Gabe and John.Alternate-Gina
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True friends stab you in the front -Oscar Wilde
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03-28-02, 12:16 PM (EST)
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90. "Gabriel" |
After analyzing the lint in my navel, I have determined that Gabe is a likely boot.Oh yeah, Spoilers helped a little too. John is my alternate pick. Wicked summary Bebo--thanks! Sorry Supes, I don't mock spoilers...um...well, except for that 'Typical Spoiler's Post' thing over on Bashers.
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03-28-02, 12:40 PM (EST)
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93. "Gabe" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-28-02 AT 12:46 PM (EST)Said Goldilocks: "This SarahTeddyBear is toooo big (in the Fluffypillows area), and this RobfadderTeddyBear is toooo small(minded). And THIS Teddy Bear is juuuuuuuust right, and it's my luxury item!!!" I was all set to vote for The Robfadder. I just had a feeling in my GUT that the "puppetstrings" promo for Robfadder was being shown because this would be the last chance to use it in this series. I also was thinking of Patricia's comments that she didn't know any RotoRooters, and her positive comments about Rob. I also thought that Rob was SOOOO obvious that MB was playing that trick of hiding him in the plainest sight possible. Then I started reading the threads of legendary spoilers like kokoro, AyaK and my personal favourite, Outfrontgirl (whose secret identity is "Spoiler Woman"). Spoiler Woman has spoiled me on savvy spoilage and analysis. A Robfadder boot also doesn't make sense with respect to Hunter's comments about him. To add to that analysis, I ask this question: Why DIDN'T Hunter and Gina develop their relationship at Loser Lodge? Answer: Either Gina wasn't there, OR someone else WAS there, possibly occupying her time and attention. Rob would not be that person. While I've never put much stock in the Gabe's Mom talk (that Gabe was mesmerized by Gina), well..... I really loved Hawkeye's EITS thread title "SDawg's Belly (not his GUT)" or however it went. And I realized that my all-too-ample GUT was not trustworthy. By way of contrast, OFG Theory *IS* relatively trustworthy, and after last week's exception-that-proves-the-rule, it's ready to rebound strongly. Speaking of strongly: Rob is shown TOO strongly. Others are shown not strongly enough. Gabe is shown juuuuuuust right. And I almost misapplied my own Hollow theory: yes, Rob is being shoved down our throats waaaaay to hard, just as Kathy was in the early going. So I'm going to kick myself if I'm wrong, but it looks like the Robfadder will not be RobFODDER this week. And this is my 9-1-1 th post, for whatever that's worth. AyaK, if you've led me down the quick and easy path to the Dark Side, I will beat you severely about the turban and shoulders!!! (and leave you at the airport gate again!) Alternate: Gina Bebo! - come on in to Summary Lodge. Allow me to worship your summary-writing greatness with a nice massage, whatever other pampering you desire, followed by serving you your favorite beverage by the fire as you contemplate on your OUTSTANDING JOB. 
*** Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged
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94. "Gabe" |
I think the Robfather emphasis is a red herring. I think we have been deceived by MB on Rotu alliances. Gabe seems to me to be less in touch than other 4 Rotus. I think Rotu thinks that Rob, Sean, and V have past challenges proving they are no threat and there is no reason to assume this would not continue during single immunity challenges. However, Gabe would be a real contender. They are still strong with 3 old Rotu now in MooMoo. Smart money would dump Gabe now and maybe Rob next time, particularly if Rob tries to become a new leader.Congrats to Bebo for the recent summary! No taunts from me Superman! From the tone of his...oops!...her postings, I also had Technoir pictured as a guy. Rain Crow
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95. "Sean" |
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96. "Vote Totals So Far" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-28-02 AT 01:10 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 03-28-02 AT 01:09 PM (EST) This is post #96, summarizing 91 votes, 4 tallies, and 1 deleted post. Sean is the clear leader but Gabriel has vaulted into a strong second place behind the convincing logic of AyaK, OFG, and other leaders of the community. Sean.........51
Gabriel......19
Rob..........12
Gina..........4
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John..........1 Neleh, Robert, Tammy, Vecepia, and Zoe are all UTR. Edited to correct a mistally AND thank Bebo for the great summary!
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102. "Gabe" |
I'm jumping on the bandwagon.Once the Survivors realize that there are only 4 old Maraamus left, they'll realize that no matter what, Rotu will have a majority after the merge (regardless of when it happens). Now is the perfect opportunity to remove Gabe, who has been the strongest IC player of anyone. If Gabe gets to the merge, he has a very good shot of making an individual immunity run to the end--and everyone (esp. John, the "Ultimate Survivor Fan") will realize that this may be their only opportunity to boot him. I also suspect that Gabe's demeanor and attitude hold sway over Pascal and Neleh, so once the merge happens Gabe may have the alliance numbers to control the game to the end. I think both John & Tammy don't want to see that happen and will act now. Also of note: in the brief Early Show preview, Bryant says something about how the attitudes of the two tribes have flipped. This makes the Maraamu the new Love Tribe, and the Rotu have now become the backstabbers, resentful of leadership and looking to cut off the "head" of the tribe.
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103. "Sean" |
Time to go.
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104. "Gabe" |
I believe that Rotu goes to TC based on the episode title and the picture of Rob with a blue buff voting at TC. Also, why would John and Gabe be discussing keeping the old Rotu together if they weren't going to TC? The Rotus are forced to start playing the game -- the end of innocence.So who from Rotu could go? Certainly any of the new Rotu members and Gabe look like possibilities. The editing and the previews make Rob and Sean too obvious. Tammy said last episode that they would boot Sean and Rob if they didn't get of their asses (not a direct quote) -- again, making Sean and Rob too obvious. Rob was just profiled this week. Since Sarah was profiled and booted in the same week, I don't think we are going to see that happen this week. We have the SNews Sean spoiler that says he wins a reward, indicating that he makes the merge. Vee has been shown to be getting along with everyone and she is avoiding "drama". I just don't think it's her. So that leaves Gabe. We have the sailing pic which indicates that it's his time to go. He's been profiled in the CBS Eyemail. I believe that there is a division between the old Rotu and two of Gabe's allies (Neleh and Paschal) are now in the other tribe. This makes Gabe vulnerable. It is a perfect time to get rid of him ... before the merge. John is a huge survivor fan, he WILL realize this. He should have no problem convincing the new Rotu to go along with him. And maybe, John causes Rotu to lose the IC on purpose. A BIG thank you to ALL the summary writers. Some day I will read them -- I promise. MakeItStop
PS GINA wins! I have my reasons.
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105. "sean" |
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106. "Gina" |
i dont think roto can lose a chalange and the bond between roto is strong. Hope i am right.
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108. "Rob" |
Even though all the spoiler sites are going Gabe-crazy, I'm sticking to my editing rationale. 1. The new promos reveal that Rob's story arc is coming to a climax tonight. Good stories don't climax in the middle, only in the conclusison. Otherwise, Rob's boot is anti-climactical. His story ends when his Godfather strategy backfires. 2. Gabe is the "narrator" of the Rotu tribe, plain and simple. Pre-merge bootee's aren't typically given the role of Narrator. 3. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, and sometimes the most obvious boot is staring us in the face. As spoilers, we get jaded and paranoid about misdirection and often convince ourselves something else is going on other than what is being shown. 4. I can think of no instance in which any animosity toward Gabe is revealed. Looking at the editing, a Gabe boot makes no sense -- his team adores him and he adores them. If there was going to be a coup, wouldn't the original Rotu sacrifice someone held in lower esteem than Gabe? 5. The Belly picture and the sailing pic as well as all the speculation surrounding Gabe is the real red herring of the week. There are far too many questionable "spoilers" regarding Gabe, none of which I trust. 6. The end of innocence is about the camp raid and RC, and has nothing to do with the bootee. 7. The show will focus heavily on Rob and his trying to usurp the leader role at Rotu. Face time spikes right before the boot, and always the episode of the boot. Rob had increased face-time last week, and by the looks of the previews will dominate the focus of episode 5. That's my best spoiling. It may not be much, but it's all I got.
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03-28-02, 03:05 PM (EST)
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109. "Sean" |
Awesome summary Bebo!
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03-28-02, 03:22 PM (EST)
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111. "Gabe......" |
I am riding the fence so hard on this one that I need Gold Bond powder for the chaffing.**Gabe is the smart choice for Rotu. He needs to go since he is a threat to John or Robert. **Sean is the most dispensible player there--he hasn't a prayer of winning an individual IC unless it is basketball. With the emphasis on water and mental strength, well, he is screwed. Keep him around--he is not a threat. **Robfather will pull the puppet strings this week. he will plant just enough doubt in John's mind to make them gut one of their own first. Fear not, I bet Rob is a goner next week. I haven't picked up any anti-Gabe vibes that others allude to thus far--he just makes the most sense from the stand point of the other Rotu members--he is strong, smart and well liked. Colby with a perm. Ethan as a blonde. He has to go. End of Innocence--Rotu kills one of their own.
If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning. -Catherine Aird-
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03-28-02, 03:32 PM (EST)
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112. "Rob" |
1.) Because I think MB is being a little redundant and using the same blatant, hiding-him-right-under-our-noses tactic as he did with Hunter. Seems to make sense to me.2.) Because I can't wait to get ahold of him on the Basher Yacht, and thus I've resorted to wishful thinking. Fooey on anyone who broke the vote thread rules. Shame on you Supes for thinking TechNoir was a guy (although I think I did too until recently) And BRAVO to Bebo for her downright side-splitting summary!
We love men. We just don't want to see them naked.~ Two Nice Girls
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03-28-02, 03:34 PM (EST)
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113. "Sean" |
Don't be distracted and don't over think it. Sean is gone!
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03-28-02, 03:40 PM (EST)
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114. "gabe" |
I will not be disappointed if Rob or Sean get's the boot though.Everyone is giving such good reasons for Gabe. But if no trickery this week Rob is the simple choice. Thanks for the great summaries.
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03-28-02, 03:41 PM (EST)
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115. "Gabe" |
Well I am confused this week, but most arrows are pointing to Gabe.
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03-28-02, 03:47 PM (EST)
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116. "Sean" |
I'll go with the obvious this week.
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03-28-02, 03:47 PM (EST)
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117. "Vote totals so far..." |
LAST EDITED ON 03-28-02 AT 03:48 PM (EST)This is post #117, summarizing 111 votes (plus 5 subtotals and 1 deletion). Sean remains the runaway leader, although Gabe and Rob are making a move: Sean........56
Gabriel......29
Rob..........15
Gina...........5
Paschal......2
Kathy.........2
John..........1
Neleh.........1
Tammy.....UTR
Zoe.........UTR
Vecepia....UTR
Robert......UTR "I'm with a boy named Sue and a girl named Kaya." -- Jeff Varner, Cannonball Run 2001
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03-28-02, 04:02 PM (EST)
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118. "Rob" |
alternate pick: Kathy
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03-28-02, 04:09 PM (EST)
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119. "Gaybe" |
Many, many reasons.....let me try and remember some of them, although my mind is a little scrambled since I just finished writing a 30 page appelate brief minutes ago.....
Rotu goes to TC
The first bit of evidence is the spoiler of Rob wearing the Rotu colors at TC, so obviously they have to go at some point before the merge. Now, that in itself is not evidence that they go this week, but it IS evidence that they go at some point in the next few episodes, so it can be used to tip the scales in favor of a Rotu visit in this ep. Secondly, I think the biggest clues we have been given have been the ep titles. This week we have "loss of innocence". I always thought that meant a Rotu visit to TC since Marlboro had been there so many times already...plus even if Marlboro went, I believe we would have a Gina boot which would not qualify as a loss of innocence. So, we are looking at a Rotu boot. Now, the one thing that I have been thinking about all week is if Rotu goes to TC and gets rid of either Rob or Sean, how could that possibly qualify as a loss of innocence? The answer is it can't. Therefore, we are left with a Old Rotu bootee this week. Also, Burn-it said before Ep#4 that the switch would drastically change the game.....so, how would the pagonging of Marlboro satisfy this statement? It wouldn't. Even though MB has been known to lie before, most of his lies are centered around annoying the spoilers, not the general viewing public, which is what he would do if he didn't come through on that statement. Further, there is evidence that both Sean and Rob stick around. For one, I don't think MB would be going through all the trouble to get the rights to the Godfather if it was only going to last one episode. Also, everyone knows that the Godfather does NOT die, he makes other people die. Therefore, a Rob boot would not satisfy the Godfather parallels at this point. Also, Rob is being editted as the villain...we all know that the villain has to stick around a while longer for this story to fully pan out. I know that MB used a similar tactic with Hunter in his farewell ep, but I think that is different in that MB was trying to milk his Golden Boy Hunter for all he could in terms of promotion before he was gone forever.....that way he could try and rope in a few more casual female fans before Hunter was gone for good. I don't see a similar tactic involving Rob, plus I don't think MB would do the same thing twice....especially since Rob is also featured in this week's eyemail (thanks GT). BTW, Gaybe has already had an eyemail meaning that he could be in line for a boot. As for Sean, I wasn't sure whether to believe the spoilers that he makes it to the final 4-6 until I read some posts from Loree on this board. Loree has been around for a long time and has always been a trusted spoiler in this community. So, when Loree says that she has a source at Belly who gave reliable info during BB2 about Boogie, I believe her. So, let's look at what Loree said.....she says that Sean makes it to the final 4-6 (backs up survivornews spoiler) and that Gaybe does something stupid and leaves soon. Now, before I address that "something stupid" lets look at one more thing.....as Sweetpea posted, Gaybe is the person who makes the innocent comment tonight that causes a lot of activity. Also, it is apparent that his Old Rotu tribe mates are the ones affected by the innocent comment. So, with his tribe in complete control, Gaybe says something innoncent that gets his ass booted off the show by his old tribemates. That would definitely satisfy Loree's spoiler that Gaybe did somehting stupid to get booted. Also, there is going to be some sort of backstage fight tonight. Could this be the legal battles taht have been rumored for months? Possibly, especially with teh term "backstage" being used. But, it could also be some sort of confrontation between the booted tribe member and one of his castmates. Now, we all know that something happens to Gaybe's lip and that it most likely happens tonight. Could this be tied into the fight? Possibly. My feelings (and this is going further out on a speculatory limb than I like to go) is that Gaybe's innocent comment really upsets members of Old Rotu, and that Robert comes to the defense of his tribe, a confrontation occurs between him and Gaybe, and somehow Gaybe gets socked in the mouth. Also, Gaybe would have to instigate the confrontation so Robert can claim self defense thereby avoiding removal from the game due to violating the contract. That is really far out on the limb there and definitely the weakest part of my argument, but still a possibility none the less. Also, we have the Wanda spoiler that Gina and Hunter have a loser lodge romance. Plus, the Gaybe's mom spoiler that Gaybe really likes Gina. So, since I am leaing towards a Gina boot in the next ep, both of these spoilers would be satisfied with a Gaybe boot this week. Alright, I'm sure I forgot to write a bunch of stuff that I meant to write when I started this post, but that is more than enough info to justify my vote without being accused of simply jumping on the bandwagon. Plus, I have to make my picks earlier than I usually like to cause I have to go to my cousins for passover dinner a few hours before showtime. Anyway, say good-bye to Gaybe, and I plan to put 100 yahoo points on it in an attempt to move back into the top 100 (currently 289). 
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03-28-02, 04:10 PM (EST)
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120. "Rob" |
I sincerely hope it's Gabe but a turn of
events that unexpected would be played up
more than it has been (for the average viewer).
Perhaps this episode will be the set up and
story arc for Gabe's fall next week. That way
Gabe and then Gina
can go away and fulfill speculation about
loser lodge friendships. As for Rob being
shown too much in the promos and being featured
in eyemail as being evidence that he stays, the
best tactic MB could play in how he previews
upcoming episodes and eyemail and the like is
randomness. And randomness includes runs of
repeated occurences. It also has the benefit
of seeming patterned with small sample sizes.
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03-28-02, 04:14 PM (EST)
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121. "Gabe" |
I was thinking Rob, but the extreme promo emphasis on him makes me wonder. Everyone who picks Sean does it from personal dislike, it seems to me, and I actually kind of like him. The postings for Gabe are just too convincing, I need to change my spoiler island choice.
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03-28-02, 04:46 PM (EST)
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123. "Gabe" |
Thanks for the great summary Bebo!I've been away "spring breaking", so I've been scrambling to catch up. Here's what I've found. CBS Poll:
Features Kathy, Rob and Gina, by asking who the swap benefited most, steering the attention away from Gabe. Website Promo:
Gabe is the current leader. The CBS website promo says..."a new leader seeks to assume power at Rotu" The current leader is dethroned...Gabe is gone. CBS Eyemail:
Sarah was featured last week and was booted. Rob is featured this week. Not likely that eyemail would feature boot two weeks in a row. Didn't happen during S3, probably won't in S4...Rob safe. Rob is featured as the Godfather, pulling the strings behind the scene. Hunter was featured and booted, Rob is featured and will not be. The behind the scenes activity is the "end of innocence" "End of Innocence":
This refers to both Rotu going to TC and the "innocent" Gabe being surprised by the "Love Tribe" SF Spoiler:
The Gabe sailing photo shows Gabe sailing in "late November". Accoeding to the calendar this is the last chance for him to be booted and still have time to sail in November. Editing:
Last week Sean and Rob were blatantly featured as targets with Tammy sawing if we go to TC they're gone. Strategy's featured do not work out as planned. Prior to last weeks show Gina was edited to say "they're not going to keep someone like me around". She's still around. Last week we saw Rob and Sean as obvious targets. They're safe this week. Looks like the editing will set up a TC showdown between Gabe and Sean/Rob. Sean/Rob/Vesepia/Robert vs the Rotu in a 4-4 tie? OFG Theory:
Gabe is featured in the previews, but not as the target. Face Time:
Based on the previews it looks like Gabe is going to be in the thick of the action this week. His face time "spike" is a tell tail sign. Poor innocent Gabe...  Krautboy
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03-28-02, 04:57 PM (EST)
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124. "Sean" |
Old Maramuu is finished
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03-28-02, 05:02 PM (EST)
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125. "Gabe" |
I agree with all the above spoilers. Gabe has had just enough face time to make him a possibility, but not as much as Rob or Sean which makes them seem safe. And besides, it's time Mumu won a challenge!
Alternate is Gina.
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03-28-02, 05:28 PM (EST)
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126. "Gabe" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-28-02 AT 05:29 PM (EST)OK, I've been convinced... lots of compelling reasons from lots of good spoiler folks. On the other hand, the Sean agrument seems to basically boil down to "because he's obvious" (which isn't a bad thing, but in this case I just think it's just a bit less compelling to me.) See the below for my full thoughts: http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/2475.shtml ...make sure you get those Spoiler Island picks in ASAP folks. Thanks Bebo! -SB
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03-28-02, 05:44 PM (EST)
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129. "Rob" |
I just wrote this long analysis about why Gabe goes, but had to erase it. John seemed so ernest in the clip of his talk with Gabe about keeping Rotu together that I can't beleive he is that good an actor.Sean is too obvious, both to the Rotus and the viewers. Rob seems to have been quieter and therefore perhaps Rotu is afraid he might be able to ingratiate himelf more in the next several days with whomever the orig Rotu "outsiders" are. (I can't believe they all love each other that much.) Rotu definitely goes to TC. Rob's blue buff at TC and the title convince me of that. Alternate: Sean
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03-28-02, 06:13 PM (EST)
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132. "Sean" |
I've voted for him last week, so it has to be this week. Please! I can't take it anymore. Alternate pick Paschal
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03-28-02, 06:23 PM (EST)
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133. "Gabriel Cade" |
you ARE the weakest link! goodbye ;)
"I know I don't know you, and you're probably not what you seem, but I sure would like to find out so why don't you climb down of that TV screen" Gina Crews, the Sole Survivor!
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03-28-02, 06:24 PM (EST)
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134. "Gabe" |
n/m
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03-28-02, 06:36 PM (EST)
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135. "Sean" |
I have a moral aversion to bandwagon jumping, so even though lots of spoiler-type peeps are going with Gabe, I'm sticking with Sean.The Gabe arguments are compelling - so are the ones for Rob. But I'm gonna dance with the one who brought me. I've thought Sean all week, I'm not gonna change now.
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03-28-02, 07:42 PM (EST)
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139. "Gabe" |
There is much evidence to hint at a Gabe boot. Almost too much evidence to all be red herrings. As for Sean and Rob, Sarah stated that she wasn't surprised that Rob fit right in at Rotu while Sean did not. Therefore, a Sean boot tonight would not surprise me but a Rob boot would be very surprising to me. It appears he is about to take on an even larger role in the story.
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03-28-02, 07:47 PM (EST)
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140. "Sean" |
Take a midol and move on my friend!
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