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"Ep 3 Preview Vidcaps"
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"Ep 3 Preview Vidcaps" |
{Announcer} Next week, Survivor Marquesas moves to a new night, Wednesday at 8/7 central
{Jeff Probst} Tensions heat up at Maraamu
{Hunter} Please don’t be sensitive about this.
{Rob…unintelligible}
{Sarah} Apparently, I have to be!
{Hunter} No, you don’t.
{Sarah} Apparently, I have to be.
{Vecepia} There’s just too much drama in this place.
{Jeff Probst} At Rotu, the love tribe gets a lesson in pain.
{John…moaning}
{Robert…after a loud pop noise} Oh christ!
{John} Let me see. Let me see, Rob.
{Rob, voiceover} Pain, you know, you gotta deal with it.
{Tammy, snapping fingers} Things change…just like that around here.
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03-07-02, 10:09 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: Ep 3 Preview Vidcaps" |
With all the injuries at the Rotu tribe - maybe they will finally lose some challenges. At least everyone at the other tribe seems healthy even if they are a bit divided now.
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9. "RE: Ep 3 Preview Vidcaps" |
Java, Your eyes must be better than mine, cause I don't see any splinters. Johns hand looks real red to me, maybe he burned it on something. Not that it matters a whole lot, but only my 5 year old gets that dramatic over a splinter. And what the heck is he trying to do to Roberts foot with a knife? That would be a weird way for a nurse to remove a splinter from someones foot. These injuries could be shown to mislead, but nothing in last weeks previews was misleading, it was laid out on a silver platter: 1. "Nacho Mamma" title=bootie
2. Rotu wins RC
3. IC tie
4. Rob looking all disappointed. Maybe we should just focus on the obvious?
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03-08-02, 08:16 AM (EST)
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14. "RE: Ep 3 Preview Vidcaps" |
And what the heck is he trying to do to Robert's foot with a knife? That would be a weird way for a nurse to remove a splinter from someones foot.Perhaps not as weird as you might think. When I was a kid, my mother (who, unlike Sarah's mom, still tries to boss me around and I'm well over 24, not to mention 34, but I digress) would take a needle or sometimes scissors and "push" a splinter to try to get it to stand up straight so that she could then pinch it and pull it out. Having no scissors, John may be using the knife to do something similar to that, if it indeed is a splinter in Robert's foot. As to your comments about misleading, I totally agree with you... and you're agreeing with my hollow theory without realizing it. I suspect that these injuries are real, but will generally amount to nothing as far as the next episode is concerned... but it may have an impact on the future. 
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4. "RE: Ep 3 Preview Vidcaps" |
Great job Bungler, as always.My first impression from a story arc perspective that we see turmoil in Marlboro and we see injuries in Rotu. But, what we don't see is Kathy anywhere. Does this mean that if Rotu goes to TC Kathy is safe as per the OFG theory ( i think I got it right based on her clarification...kathy is NOT present in the preview in either a good light or bad light...the point is that the bootee is always pictured prominently in the preview)...or does the OFG theory fall apart this week and Rotu gets rid of the obvious boot. I think the injuries are most likely a red herring....as was pointed out by Java, the injuries are most likely splinters, hardly the equivalent of falling in the fire, so they won't affect the game in the same catastrophic sense. So, is MB trying to make us think that there will be an injured Rotu member who gets voted out instead of Kathy? Or we could go the other way...marlboro loses yet another Immunity challenge. But, for now I'd just like to address the red herring in this preview, that being that the injuries will have an affect on the ep's vote. So, in summary, what I am trying to say is that if Rotu loses the next IC, Kathy is good as gone. Now comes the tough job....figuring out who wins IC, or hell, what the damn IC is since it doesn't look like we have any challenge pics.
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7. "not just yet" |
>Shakes,
>
>We seem to look in the
>same places for clues but
>look at them differently. My
>thought of the injuries were
>that they were red herring
>that Rotu would lose challenges
>when in fact it may
>be Maraamu, doing another first
>and losing 3 in a
>row...
...not quite Cowboyroo, I'm not saying that Rotu is going to lose IC, all I'm saying is that IF they do lose the IC, the injuries are misdirection to throw us off the trail of a Kathy boot.
I haven't made an opinion as to who is going to win the IC yet, but at first glance I would agree with you that the injuries are a misdirection and that Rotu wins the IC. Plus, as Sweetpea points out, the title of the episode (no pain, no gain) points to a Rotu storyline, most likely Rotu overcoming the pain (injuries) to gain immunity. And we all saw tonight how the story had a direct relation to what who got booted...however, tonight's ep title was ambiguous at best, whereas it seems clear that next week's title has a positive result for whoever it is about. just some initial thoughts
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03-07-02, 11:18 PM (EST)
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6. "No Pain No Gain" |
Don't forgot the title for next week's episode. Obviously it refers to Rotu. Perhaps as they are the only tribe with pain, they will also have the gain--i.e. win another immunity challenge.
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47. "RE: No Pain No Gain" |
I had a similar thought, but the gain could refer to reward rather than immunity. The biggest thing here that I find is that, while Rotu is up by two players and can presumably sit two out in at least one of the up-coming challenges, but if the old rules still apply (and here I feel they should) then the same player(s) cannot sit out two challenges in a row. Robert, who got out of the float the boat reward challenge, has to participate in the next challenge where a sit-out can occur, even if Rotu can sit two out. And with an injury of some sort (though it may be slight) on top of his illness (aw, poor guy) from lack of protein, perhaps Maraamu will actually have a chance this time instead of being thoroughly trounced as in the previous challenges.
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51. "RE: No Pain No Gain" |
>I had a similar thought, but
>the gain could refer to
>reward rather than immunity.YES!
>The biggest thing here that
>I find is that, while
>Rotu is up by two
>players and can presumably sit
>two out in at least
>one of the up-coming challenges,
>but if the old rules
>still apply (and here I
>feel they should) then the
>same player(s) cannot sit out
>two challenges in a row. Right.
> Robert, who got out
>of the float the boat
>reward challenge, has to participate
>in the next challenge where
>a sit-out can occur, even
>if Rotu can sit two
>out. ....Except the rule is. The same person cannot sit out of the next consecutive challenge..He totally participated in the Fafaru challenge which would qualify as the next challenge. So he could indeed sit out for RC in Ep 3. And with an
>injury of some sort (though
>it may be slight) on
>top of his illness (aw,
>poor guy) from lack of
>protein, perhaps Maraamu will actually
>have a chance this time
>instead of being thoroughly trounced
>as in the previous challenges. Don't put your bets down yet...
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8. "RE: Ep 3 Preview Vidcaps" |
Right after the show was over, even before the preview, I thought Gina is going next week. I probably need to stick with my gut more often. I seem to change by the spoilers and stuff throughout week, when I'm usually more right going with gut.
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10. "RE: Ep 3 Preview Vidcaps" |
This might sound silly, but Gain and Gina have the same letters. Possible spoiler?
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39. "RE: Ep 3 Preview Vidcaps" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-10-02 AT 12:21 PM (EST)Hi Shakes,
Just thought I'd mention that these may be challenge pics. Maybe its the SOS challenge. Why else would they be gathering this wood? Their shelter is already built. This fits with the "MB won't let them lose 3 in a row" theory. I am now editing to add that it is not the SOS challenge. Another thread has vidcaps showing Hunter building a raft. So, both teams are doing this. Maybe it's one of those life saving/rescue challenges. As for the injuries, John seems to be sitting next to the fire, I think he just burned his hand. But I think you're right, the injuries are just for entertainment value - they have nothing to do with the bootee. A side note (OT the centipede theory): A friend of mine got bit by one of those island centipedes once. (by the way, they are HUGE, about 12" long and as thick as a garden hose) We were camping, and she didn't realize she was bitten until the next day, when her hand swelled to the size of a softball.
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03-08-02, 04:13 AM (EST)
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13. "RE: Ep 3 Preview Vidcaps" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-09-02 AT 11:04 PM (EST)My gut says Gina or Kathy to be the next bootee but I'm holding out my predictions for episode 3's bootee till I see more clips. Anyway I find this conversation interesting,
"{Hunter} Please don’t be sensitive about this.
{Rob…unintelligible}
{Sarah} Apparently, I have to be!
{Hunter} No, you don’t.
{Sarah} Apparently, I have to be". Is that Hunter trying to save his own skin by patching up with Sarah and therefore Rob? What do you guys think about his chance of success? His longevity in the game obviously has to depend on the tribe's next move or at least so until the twist.
Edited to say:
From Episode 4's titles, it sure sounds like Mara's going to lose another IC and MB has no choice to do the twist to save Mara's tribe members.
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03-08-02, 09:07 AM (EST)
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15. "RE: Ep 3 Preview Vidcaps" |
I'm not at work so I can't get to my imageing software and draw arrows, but if you look at this photo:
you can see an object protruding thru John's little finger. The top of the splinter is right above the spot where the finger meets the hand, and the bottom of the splinter is visible below the knuckle of his middle finger. I think his hand is red from work. He's been hauling rocks, dragging wood, etc...not your normal activity in a sales job or while nursing. Look at those poles with which Rotu is working! What are they building, their own tribal council? The loud pop is probably the sound of Robert's end of the load hitting the ground when he injures his foot and drops everything. He's not near the water in these shots, so I don't think he gets stung. If he had a sprain or break MB would play it up bigger and John wouldn't be concentrating on his toes. John's medical background looks like it will place him in good standing with the tribe. Kathy is truly obnoxious, but Robert is a wimp. What has he done for the tribe so far? If he continues to be sick/injured, he is a viable candidate for a boot. Personally I'd still go for Kathy, though. Emotionally needy people are too draining to the team, and with Rotu's numbers advantage they can sit Robert out as need arises. 
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03-11-02, 00:32 AM (EST)
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48. "RE: Ep 3 Preview Vidcaps" |
MISTOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Big Hug, nice to see you again! Anyway, salty ocean water would have some antiseptic benefit, though it would also hurt especially on a fresh wound. John is a trained nurse and, trust me on this one, hospitals go through a lot of saline solution every day on wounds. It isn't pleasant, but a nurse would understand the value of a saline wash on a fresh wound, even if it is ocean water rather than sterile saline solution.
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03-08-02, 10:28 AM (EST)
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17. "Also on next weeks show" |
From the CBS site-Next Week On Survivor:
Injuries plague a tribe, which employs a remedy you won't believe
Mutual admiration forms a close bond between two unlikely castaways
One castaway dubs himself "the Godfather" and works to proceed accordingly
Any thoughts on this? Does nurse John come up with some strange remedy? Who are the unlikely castaways? Maybe Paschal and Neleh. And who is "the Godfather"? Would that be our new villian?
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18. "RE: Also on next weeks show" |
The Godfather is obvisiously Sean. He is stressing the word "God" and he has stressed his religous qualities.
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03-08-02, 05:49 PM (EST)
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28. "RE: Sean is the "God"father." |
Wacko, you are using this thing called "logic." Unfortunately, our new friends in Marquesas, particularly in Maraamu are not using this strange device. Therefore, just because he's a strong male, don't think he's safe.
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03-08-02, 11:51 AM (EST)
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20. "RE: Ep 3 Preview Vidcaps" |
OK, On the pic of John. I really think it is a burn. It is sooo pink. And also, he is holding his wrist, which to me shows that his entire hand is hurting, not just his finger. If is was about a splinter in his finger, no matter how big, don't you think he would be holding it at the base of that finger instead of at his wrist? I always thought it helped ease the pain if you slow the circulation around the immediate area, which if that is true, he would know that, being a nurse. So I have to go with it being a burn.For Robert, he looks like he has a big whole between his toes. He had to have something jab up in there and cause a puncture wound. Those hurt like hell and get easily infected. So if that is the case, he could be out of pocket for awhile, causeing him to be liability. I am still going with a Kathy boot, for now. She is just to gripey and whiney. She doesn't flow with the group.
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22. "RE: Ep 3 Preview Vidcaps" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-08-02 AT 12:36 PM (EST)I was thinking about this, so hear me out. Is it possible of a jellyfish sting on John's hand? As any "Friends" fans would know, the best remedy for a jellyfish sting is to have someone urinate on it. This would certainly qualify as an "odd" remedy. (edited to add - my apologies to Bebo & SB who apparently are sharing a brain wave with me, and posted these exact thoughts on the other thread) Who do you think would do the honors? Meemo
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32. "RE: Ep 3 Preview Vidcaps" |
>"odd" remedy. (edited to add - my apologies to Bebo
>& SB who apparently are sharing a brain wave with
>me, and posted these exact thoughts on the other thread) When I posted it, it was a "out of left field" theory to me, but hey, sometimes the most obvious things are the one's that work (Exhibit A: Why would Rotu pick Rob for the tiebreaker) >Who do you think would do the honors? Well, if you REMEMBER FRIENDS, Monica only needed someone else to help her because she "couldn't reach." Assuming it's John and assuming it's on his hand, you'd think he'd be able to handle it (no pun indended) himself (and if I were him, and I were ever in that situation, I don't know why, but for some strange reason I'd feel more comfortable handling it on my own -- somehow it would make it less awkward it it was MY OWN urine that was all over my body.) -SB
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03-10-02, 05:41 PM (EST)
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45. "RE: Ep 3 Preview Vidcaps" |
MEEMO, that is exactly my thought. When I saw the Rotu tribe indiscriminantly rolling over rocks, I thought someone is gonna get stung by something. There are jellyfish, urchins and some poisonous spiny fish (a small stingray, ala Sue Hawk) and shellfish in the area. It looks to me like he is stung, and the hand is probably feeling like a severe burn. The sting could have also occured from an insect as well.
Look at the middle finger it looks like a hive/sting, or raised welt of some sort.
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03-10-02, 02:21 PM (EST)
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42. "actually Dawg..." |
The
>expanded theory suggests that the
>person shown is not shown
>in a bad light in
>said previews.
...I thought the same thing, but OFG posted a clarification of her theory a few days ago and it turns out that the theory is that the bootee will be featured in the preview (not necessarily as a storyline, but always in a tight camera shot where that person is the only person in the frame), but whether the person is featured in a good or bad light is NOT controlling.
I believe she said that several of the bootees in S3 were featured in a good light in the preview, but by no means were all of them. However, they all were featured in the preview in some form or another.
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49. "RE: actually Dawg..." |
Linda and Frank were the two exceptions to the "good light" rule during S3, and in my opinion they both gave MB no choice in the matter, neither gave him usable material which did not point to them as bootable freaks. As for OFG's promo theory as it applies to S4, if OFG is correct then MB will have dickered with this as well (see OFG's post on the last vote thread).Personally, I think the Promo (OFG) Theory may still have some benefit in spoiling, but OFG is correct that it needs to be re-examined. So far this season, though, the theory has held up, which from what I've seen would lead me to expect the next boot would be Kathy, John, Sarah or Hunter. I do agree with OFG, though, that the theory needs to be re-examined, but I haven't enough to go on yet to make a seperate thresd of it. Anyone with any ideas about bootie significance in promos, I invite you to send me an email about it.
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29. "*sigh*... this show is so predictable..." |
On the official website, they have a "warning" about the toxicity of centepede bites...It says that an important Survival skill that all contestants should be aware of is "You can neutralize the poisonous bite of a centepede by applying urine to the bitten area." All of the other important survival skills are pretty neutral "build a shelter", etc... Recall this important survival tip from S2: "You should avoid building your shelter in the flood plain, as water levels may arise unexpectedly." Basically, the important Survival skills are all stuff that we'll see happen. Urinating on a centepede bite fits nicely with the preview:
"Injuries plague a tribe, which employs a remedy you won't believe." Basically this is a red herring... as long as the survivors have read thier field guide, someone will know to urinate on John's hand, and it won't be an issue (although it will be interesting TV). As for the knife to Robert's foot... I have no idea!!! 
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33. "RE: *sigh*... this show is so predictable..." |
We know John really really wants to be the alpha male leader of this tribe. I hope he wouldn't go so far as cutting Robert's toe off to achieve this. Yikes!
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34. "RE: *sigh*... this show is so predictable..." |
>As for the knife to Robert's
>foot... I have no idea!!! sleeeve (and others)... About the knife to Robert's foot. Actually, John does not have the knife to Robert's foot. I don't know if anybody has the tape to watch, but John is holding something (string, thread, or something like a pine needle maybe) and SAWING the blade of the knife across it. Don't know what kind of speculation that might evoke, but it's worth pointing out. Any medical personnel out there who might be able to chime in? Could John be cutting sutures with his knife (and, if so, do you think he'd have a needle and thread to sew stitches, or would he even risk infection by trying to do something like that)? I can't think of any other things that that might be, but I'm just not in the field.
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36. "RE: *sigh*... this show is so predictable..." |
Wouldn't they bring in the medics if someone needed stitches. I find it hard to believe that MB would let them take care of something like that themselves. I don't think even MB wants them getting a bad infection.
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37. "RE: Ep 3 Preview Vidcaps" |
I just wonder why Rob is directly in the circle of full moon, not so with Hunter's and Gina's capture....hmmm...any thoughts?
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40. "RE: Ep 3 Preview Vidcaps" |
more clues from the CBS website video:VO: Hunter is strong, handsome, the all American
Hunter: Winning is an attitude you carry around 100% of the time.
VO: But is Rob challenging his leadership?
Rob: I would not let it show for the life of me.
VO: While on the other side of the island, it's a love fest.
Neleh: Every single person on this side calls me Sweetpea.
VO: But little do they know they're about to get stung by mother nature.
Robert: Pain is easy, life is hard, man.
Okay, so we know now that there will be a "sting", and I think this is in regards to John's hand. Check out these caps from SurvivorFever.net
So, John goes out fishing and encounters...what? What is that thing?
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44. "Stings" |
Scribe, I agree that snorkeling is the most likely cause of John's injury, but it has nothing to do with the shark pic. . . The majority of sharks are actually quite timid. Lots of things he could've run into that have stingers/venom: stingrays (you need to shuffle your feet to alert them you're coming, or they'll lash out when you surprise them,) jellyfish (these most often travel in huge schools, so you know they're there--and most of them DON'T have venom, they're just little blobs of translucent glop,) and even sea urchins (which we saw them harvesting last show.) Any such sting would result in a VERY painful, very red area, followed by a couple days of intense burning and swelling.Urine could very well be the best relief. . . Even barnacles can cause terrible infections and pain if you step on them or bump into them while you're digging around the bottom--they grow on everything--but given the redness of his hand, I'm guessing he encountered something with a stinger.My guess is that these injuries make for some apparent drama, but don't really impact the game. GT
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46. "RE: Ep 3 Preview Vidcaps" |
My big dumb opinion:
(amalgamated from the big smart opinions of others in this thread)1) Night scene with H+R+S:
Hunter has already convinced Rob to "rejoin" him and Gina. Now he is trying to make good with Rob's grinder monkey (Sara). He is telling her not to be sensitive that he and Gina tried to vote her off at the last TC, but as usual, all are sensitive about getting votes cast against them (aka the Lex Hex). 2) Robert's foot:
Based on all analyses in this thread, i go with he stepped on a sharp sea urchin. We saw someone pull one of these out of the water when Kathy and the gang were shell hunting. 3) Bootees and misdirection:
Kathy is probably next to go. It is logical to the viewer, it seems like it will be logical to the tribe. Focusing on injuries and not her pissing someone off again is Preview misdirection. Just my dumb input, BI
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although I am not sure it means much. The order and members appearing in previews have seldom proved to be reliable spoilers.
