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"CBS Morning Show, 2/27"
Swami 5885 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-27-02, 02:11 PM (EST)
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"CBS Morning Show, 2/27" |
One spoiler, straight from the mouth of MB, regarding what happens in a tie vote: 'If they can't democraticaly decide on one person, there is whole 'nother giant (his emphasis) consequence for them.'This is a very interesting statement. I can think of several things he can't do. He can't take away food or any current fires, since he did not give them in the first place. He could take away their knives and/or cooking pots & magnifying glass (source of fire). He could make them remain at TC without food/water/sleep until they can agree on someone. What else? Make them draw straws, after a long drawn out TC fight? How about, since he has to move one tribe anyway due to legalities--he makes their consequence that they have to move immediately to a new valley, with only the bikinis on their backs & no other supplies? Then another TC the next day where they must vote someone out or face further consequences. Now that is a giant consequence! Anyone else have thoughts on this? It certainly looks like we may have a real rock 'n' roll TC at some point. Other things he said: TC fires are fake at all times. They showed the fire ring with a bunch of gas cylindars hiding underneath. The temple & artwork are designed to look like native culture 1000 years ago. He loves the cast. He was specifically asked about the switch. Gave a nice double talk/no info answer, but then said he thinks program works best when everyone is off balance all the time. S4 sounds way fun, and very hard to spoil. Swami
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Lisapooh |
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wildchickenhunter |
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sleeeve |
02-27-02 |
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Fire safety |
George Tirebiter |
02-27-02 |
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SurvivinDawg |
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PagongRatEater |
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evilj9 29 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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02-27-02, 02:40 PM (EST)
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Good thoughts, but you're forgetting that every Survivor is supposed to be packed and ready to go at TC. So if they were forced to go to another camp they would be missing supplies, but not extra clothing and luxury items.Granted it would suck to not have pots, pans, etc but they would have MOST of what they started with. As always, in evil, J9
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LionChow 2033 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator"
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02-27-02, 06:02 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: CBS Morning Show, 2/27" |
Wow! I sure hope you're right, as this would really spice things up. Imagine the shock on everyone's face the first time it comes into play!
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FesterFan1 5947 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-28-02, 10:51 AM (EST)
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>I first thought about them going >too, but surely that can't >be it. The incentive would >only work pre-merge. Imagine in >S1 if Sue and Dicque >were tied 2-2 after the >first vote and Jiffy announced >that if it remained deadlocked >both would get voted out. >How likely do you think >Kelly and Rudy would be >to change their votes? This is another wrinkle I hadn't thought of. But I think the primary problem is logistics if they sent 2 home at TC. It's just not workable. >I think more likely in the >evil MB twist mode would >be something along the lines >of "OK since you can't >agree, both of the people >you've been voting for are >now immune. Everybody revote." With >no chance to consult, the >consequences might be quite giant. > I like your thinking, but it creates its own problem in that it's not a definitive solution. Theoretically, the votes could be tied until there was no one left to vote for. If you have 6 at TC and initially it is tied 3 for A and 3 for B, then A and B are off-limits. Re-vote sees 3 for C and 3 for D, etc. Even if you take A and B out of the equation and don't let them vote, you still have an even number of people and the same possibility for a tie. I can't think of anything that is both a "huge consequence" and also good TV. Drawing straws or some other random method just seems like a copout to me, not to mention it wouldn't be very interesting. You could take away Reward Challenges, but what do you fill that time with? Remember this is a TV show first and foremost, so their not going to do anything that's going to take the excitement out of the show. Maybe it's as simple as a roll-call vote where each member has to reveal who they voted for and why. Then you would have the members who were at risk lobby the individual members to get them to openly change their vote. Not very tidy, but it would be better TV than if they drew straws. Fester
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Krautboy 2750 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest"
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02-27-02, 05:59 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Thoughts on TC tie." |
Yes, drawing straws (or spears) makes the most sense to me. The precedent is already there and has been tested. It is simple, effective, and a "giant consequence" if one of the strongest members or a key alliance partner is the one to go in the process. It definately shakes things up and forces the tribe to be more decisive about the voting. I like it...Eliminating both members involved in the tie would be a giant consequence, but it would also disrupt the 39 day calendar, so that is probably not going to happen. In one of the interviews (can't remember where) JP? mentioned that the challenges were going to be much simpler..."like a coconut toss". The "simple" drawing of straws(or spears) seems to fit this S4 philosophy of "focusing on the relationships" rather than the challenges. Krautboy
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cowboyroo 590 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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02-27-02, 06:21 PM (EST)
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Maybe, if there is a tie and its not broken, the two who had the tie become immune, and the rest have to vote between who is left. Now those are some serious consequences!
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cowboyroo 590 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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02-28-02, 11:50 AM (EST)
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23. "RE: Thoughts on TC tie." |
I like that too! Sure will be interesting
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ejm92 2221 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator"
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02-27-02, 10:59 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: CBS Morning Show, 2/27" |
Whether your theories above are right or not, this does prove one fact.....there will be AT LEAST ONE TIE at tribal council this season.
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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02-27-02, 11:18 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: CBS Morning Show, 2/27" |
LAST EDITED ON 02-27-02 AT 11:19 PM (EST)Yes, or else why would MB have mentioned it at all, he wouldn't let us know there would be this big consequence in the event of a deadlock if we weren't going to see it in S4. It doesn't seem likely that it would be a potentially endless drawn-out affair such as revoting until the deadlock is broken, that wouldn't work for TV very well. Something like drawing swords does seem more likely (and I don't like it), where perhaps the consequence would be that they all have to draw swords, not just the ones caught in the tie. Or perhaps they all have to play trivial pursuit with the most wrong answers being the one who has to go. "If all machines were to be annihilated at one moment, so that not a knife nor lever nor rag of clothing nor anything whatsoever were left to man but his bare body alone that he was born with, and if all knowledge of mechanical laws were taken from him so that he could make no more machines, and all machine-made food destroyed so that the race of man should be left as it were naked upon a desert island, we should become extinct in six weeks." (Samuel Butler, "Erewhon")
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Round Robin 2914 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest"
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02-28-02, 00:40 AM (EST)
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17. "RE: CBS Morning Show, 2/27" |
Remember, guys, that Burn-it is notorious for red herrings. Hell, S3 had more red herrings than an ocean full of blood! This whole deal could be, and probably is, just another Burn-it mindf--k.
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matthiasw 3 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson"
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02-28-02, 00:30 AM (EST)
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16. "RE: CBS Morning Show, 2/27" |
Why not send the two people in the tie over to the other tribe? (Pre Merge Of Course) Strength in numbers...
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SherpaDave 8326 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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03-01-02, 02:24 AM (EST)
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27. "RE: CBS Morning Show, 2/27" |
I've seen the thought I had sort of alluded to here, but not in any detail. So... here goes.There are a few things that the survivors clearly value: food, water, shelter... and sleep. My thought is that the tribe would be forced to continue voting until a tie no longer existed. Obviously, if they cover this ad nauseum, it would make for terrible TV, but it could be shown very much like the later endurance challenges, with a clock superimposed over various jump-cuts. Why would that be of giant consequence? Think back to S3 (I know, it's painful, but bear with me here). In the first tie between Lindsay and Carl, those votes were not likely to change for a looooong time. At what point does a member of the tribe (and it only takes one) decide that it'd be better to take the alliance hit and get the sleep necessary to be effective in the next day's challenge? Tough to say... I'm not sure who'd have broken first. Teresa? Little Kim? Dunno. So let's take it a step further. Let the people tied keep voting, too. Don't limit the possible bootee to the people who were tied. Ah, now it's getting interesting. Further, let the tribal members have brief periods to talk amongst themselves and strategize. The possibility of Lindsay selling out one of her tribe-mates to save her own skin starts looking pretty good, no? All right, there's my evil plan. Revote until there's no tie with everyone eligible for boot, and allow strategizing between votes. Write hard and clear about what hurts. - Ernest Hemingway Criminals From the Neck Up
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I_AM_HE 6123 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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03-01-02, 03:25 AM (EST)
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28. "RE: CBS Morning Show, 2/27" |
i've always thought the best solution in case of a tie was a physical challenge of some sort. not some stupid trivia game.
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