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"Idol Archetypes"
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We've had enough seasons with AI to start to see some archetypal casting in AI contestants. I have taken a stab at organizing them; seasons 4-6 are easier to recall, of course! One type that we all discuss is the diva; I have suggested some other types but am open to suggestions! Some contestants fit in more than one group. What is on the producers' and judges' minds when they select the top 24? Thoughts?

AI Archetypes

Season 6:

Pretty girl: ---------- Haley
Diva: ----------------- Lakisha, Melanie, (Steph)
Young Girl: ----------- Jordin, Steph
Alternative or rocker girl: Gina (Leslie Hunt would have filled this role)
Country girl: --------- none


Interesting guy: --------- Chris S
Handsome guy: ------------ Chris R*
Alternative or rocker guy:- Blake
African American guy: --- Brandon
Young guy: ------------- Sanjaya
Military guy: --------- Phil
Country guy: --------- none
*some posters talk about his looks

Season 5

Pretty girl: -------Kat
Diva: ------------- Mandisa
Young girl: ------- Paris, Lisa
Alternative girl: -- Melissa
Country girl: --- Kellie


Interesting guy: -----Taylor, Elliot
Handsome guy: ------- Ace
African American guy: -- none (Gideon would have been)
Young guy: -----------Kevin Corvais
Rocker guy: --------- Chris Daughtry
Country guy: -------- Bucky Covington
Military guy: ------- none


Season 4

Pretty girl: ------- Jessica
Diva: ------------- Nadia, Vonzell
Young girl: -------- Mikalah, (Lindsey)
Alternative or rocker girl: --none
Country girl: -------- Carrie, Lindsey


Interesting guy: ----- Scott
Handsome guy: -------- Anwar
African American guy: --- Nikko (Anwar)
Young guy: ------------- Anthony
Rocker guy: ----------- Bo, Constantine
Country guy: ----------- none
Military guy: ---------- none

Season 3

Recall there were 8 girls in the top 12; only 4 guys

Pretty girl: ---------- Jasmine
Diva: ---------------- Fantasia, LaToya, JHud
Young girl: ----------- Diana Degarmo
Alternative girl:------ Camile V? Leah?
Country girl: -------- Amy Adams?


Interesting guy: ------- Matthew Rogers
Handsome guy: --------- none
African american guy: ---- George Huff
Young guy: ------------ John Stevens
Alternative or rocker guy: -- Jon Peter Lewis
Country guy: -------------- none
Military guy: ------------- none

Season 2 and Season 1

***Still working on the first two seasons***

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 RE: Idol Archetypes nailbone 04-06-07 1
   RE: Idol Archetypes zazzy 04-06-07 2
 RE: Idol Archetypes Magnolia_Rocker 04-09-07 3
   RE: Idol Archetypes zazzy 04-09-07 4
       RE: Idol Archetypes Magnolia_Rocker 04-09-07 5
           RE: Idol Archetypes zazzy 04-09-07 6
               RE: Idol Archetypes priestdi 04-09-07 7
                   RE: Idol Archetypes priestdi 04-09-07 8
                       RE: Idol Archetypes zazzy 04-09-07 12
 RE: Idol Archetypes toddE 04-09-07 9
   RE: Idol Archetypes priestdi 04-09-07 10
   RE: Idol Archetypes priestdi 04-09-07 11
   RE: Idol Archetypes zazzy 04-09-07 13

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1. "RE: Idol Archetypes"
Nicely done!


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2. "RE: Idol Archetypes"
Thanks, Nailbone! This archetype thing stuck in my head when Simon said to Gina a few shows back--something like "Oh, so you are the rocker chick"; later I read on some board that Gina was unhappy being pigeonholed as the rocker chick but felt no choice in a season awash with divas.

Then Haley started making more of her assets in a Kat-like fashion and it dawned on me that she is the resident Pretty Girl.. It doesn't mean that she is the only pretty one; just that is how she is being pigeonholed.

The judges comment on Jordin's age and Sanj's age--more slotting.

Season 3's Amy, Leah and Camille are murky for me. I remember them but I don't recall how they were specifically categorized on the show.

Then there are even more in season 2 I am trying to recall...so that's why I have not finished that season yet.

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3. "RE: Idol Archetypes"
Season 4 I would put Lindsey in the Young girl or Country girl category. She was definitely NOT alternative or Rocker. Also on season 4 Anthony was the young guy vote for that year, I believe he was the youngest male of the top 12.



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4. "RE: Idol Archetypes"
Thanks for the info on Anthony--I was going from memory and with your prompt I looked it up--Anthony was still a teenager when he started on AI (turned 20 and then got booted)--so I rearranged the guys in that season.

I need to find the list of what Lindsey sang. More later!

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She was first out at final 12. Her List:

"Knock On Wood" (bombed on this and was her swan song)
"I Don't Want To Miss A Thing" (country version)
"I Try To Think About Elvis" (don't remember this song)
"Standing Right Next To Me" (country song featured in "Lets Give Them Something To Talk About")

She was from Louisiana and auditioned in New Orleans with "Standing Right Next To Me".




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6. "RE: Idol Archetypes"
Thanks, Magnolia! I updated the chart with your feedback. I remember liking Lindsey but totally blanked on any country feel from her. IRRC, the judges made a lot of Mikalah's age that year but did not bring it up much with Lindsey. Shows how important it is to be memorable, like Simon frequently mentions.
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7. "RE: Idol Archetypes"
I'm watching my brain work on this one, and it's funny how I have this need to organize this differently -- primarily by archetypes instead of by seasons.

Maybe I'll try compiling it that way, and see if it helps me think in these terms.

I mean like this:

Rockers:

Nikki (1), Bo (4, country rock), Constantine (4, he's both pop and rock), Chris D (5), Gina (6)


As I said, this is just about me, not the way you're presenting it!

I like the idea.

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8. "RE: Idol Archetypes"
ah I forgot Bucky (5, country rock)

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12. "RE: Idol Archetypes"
I like the idea of an alternative list to this--go for it! The reason I did it by season is that is how we are delivered the new crop each year--season by season. Once you recategorize we can cross apply it by season.

We will have one or two young ones each season in the top 12 or top 10 (one guy and one girl is ideal for them); we will have a diva; there will be at least one handsome guy,one pretty gir etc. Why did AI have such a truncated Hollywood season this year? After all the criticism about the talent this year it makes me wonder if they pushed too hard for casting the show a certain way instead of focusing solely on talent.

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9. "RE: Idol Archetypes"
DeGarmo was totally a country girl...she sang friggin LeeAnn Rimes.

Ryan Starr was the original Rocker Girl (and still the best)

Carmen Rasmussen was a young girl.

Josh Gracin was country and military.

Kimberly Caldwell was a pretty girl.

Kimberly Locke was a diva.

I could add the category of gay guy, but that would probably anger some posters, so just imagine them. I can't place one for the season 4 or 5, though.

"Hearthrob" might be a better classification than handsome guy.

Borrowing from ANTM, token "Plus Size" is a valid category,but can't be gender-specified.

And how would we classify the original AI, Kelly Clarkson.



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10. "RE: Idol Archetypes"
ah heartthrob. I like that!

Justin (1), Clay (2), Jon Peter Lewis??? (3), Constantine (4), Ace (5), Chris R (6)

I'm not sure Chris is a heartthrob though ...

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11. "RE: Idol Archetypes"

Just saw your musing on Kelly.

Maybe -- down to earth, or real people? genuine?

the most obvious, with lots of runners-up:


Kelly (1), George (3), Melinda (6)

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What is ANTM? Thanks for the season 1 and 2 people--keep it up--I have not had time to research them yet!
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