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"Could AI learn from Grease?"
Fishercat 4168 desperate attention whore postings
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03-30-07, 05:56 PM (EST)
 
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1. "RE: Could AI learn from Grease?" |
I hate the idea that I could vote enough to keep my contestant out of the Bottom 2, but Druggie, Dawg, and TPTB could send my guy/girl home. It subverts the point of American Idol.
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Fishercat 4168 desperate attention whore postings
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03-31-07, 10:53 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: Could AI learn from Grease?" |
First off, it would have been Timberfake sent home over Stephanie in Week, Sanjaya wasn't Bottom Two. And they wouldn't send home Timberfake for her. No way.However, let's have some fun with that, let's assume that A) Voting results and ANNOUNCED F2 results are legitimate. I don't doubt the loser is legit, but the F2 can be for drama. I don't like Chris R., but there was no indication anywhere that he was Bottom Two, neither prior voting results or DI. B) That your plan was in place. Now, let's apply that to prior seasons (FWIW, it would be Sanjaya/Stephanie/Chris S. home right now if it applied to AI6 and Brandon Rogers got the usual bump and he stayed out of danger in Week 10). I doubt anyone who likes the show would have a less entertaining singer who never performed to his potential in Rogers over Sanajaya. Haley's still there (since Simon said he thought Chris would go home and everyone in the organization wanted the uncontrollable out). Let's apply it to season five in any possible scenario. I will do a LOT of supposition in saying who would go home, based on who the producers, not the judges really want. F24: No B2 Results F20: Kevin Covais and Kinnik Sky were Bottom Three, but not sent home. At this point, I believe David Radford (eliminated this episode) and Brenna Gethers (same) had VFTW support, so TPTB would want to eliminate both. I think Kinnik would have stayed in, as Heather had shown nothing. I think the judges would have replaced Kevin Covais with Jose "Sway" Penala both for potential ability and the fact that Covais was a dangerous, Sanjaya-esque teenage keeper F16: No Bottom Three was said, however, for argument's sake, let's say that Sway is sent home instead of Will Makar. Gedeon was BETTER than Will, but Kevin Covais took a good chunk of Will's market: teens. ---------------------------- F12: This is where it begins to come into play, if not in this round. OK, let's say that Will Makar goes in the Bottom Three instead of Ace. Let's say they keep the same Bottom Two, and I think the judges thought Lisa Tucker had more left in the tank than Melissa. F11: With Bucky in the Bottom Two with Will (replacing Kevin), they'd finally put Will out of his misery to keep him off the tour and to keep Bucky fans appeased, no problem there. F10: At this point, Lisa has survived a B2 and a B3, and has Katharine McPhee in her only B2 appearance of the season until the Daughtry-elimination, which I figure is the week this format goes away. Tucker's done. F9: Mandisa and Elliot in the Bottom Two. VERY interesting problem here. Elliot got some very good judge praise, Mandisa got some very good judge praise. However, I want some drama. Elliot has had a lack of super fan support for some time. In fact, Mandisa had out-Dialidol'd Elliot over most of the time there. Let's say, for fun, they send Elliot home. His look is not an Idol-look, they love the divas on the show, and country week isn't indicative of her true voice F8: Bucky went home, with Ace and the now gone Elliot in the Bottom Three. However, with Mandisa staying, that may put her there. I'll give the benefit of the doubt to the usual Post-B2 vote bump and send Bucky home over Ace. F7: We had Chris and Ace in the Bottom Two, however, after two weeks of a male going home, and with Mandisa still in the competition, I have to figure she'd be in the Bottom Two over Chris this week, since Paris Bennett was DI's Bottom Two and she had an edge over Mandisa. After the sing-off between the two, they let Ace stay and send Mandisa home. AI hates fat chicks anyway. F6: This was a surprise elimination with the previously unscathed Kellie Pickler going home with Bennett in the Bottom Two. I think Ace's Bottom Two from the prior week would propel him and the same Bottom Two is kept. Simon knows the popularity of Kellie, and in spite of her being a VFTW pick, he would keep her over Paris. F5 Elim: Paris and Elliot were Bottom Two: But they are both home. So I think with Katharine and Chris in the Top 2 with Taylor having great vote totals, Ace and Kellie would be in the Bottom Two. They'll send Ace home over Kellie. I think this is where it ends, with the finals going something like: Kellie, Katharine (if he was Bottom Two the week before, his fans give the necessary gas), Chris, and Taylor still wins
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So, this is how it turns out using KNOWN results. Who knows how it would look with F24 and F16 B3 results) F24 Elim: Patrick Hall, Stevie Scott, Becky O'Donohue, Bobby Bennett F20 Elim: Heather Cox, David Radford, Kevin Covais, Brenna Gethers. F16 Elim: Jose "Sway" Penala, Ayla Brown, Kinnik Sky, Gedeon McKinney F12 Elim: Melissa McGhee F11 Elim: Will Makar F10 Elim: Lisa Tucker F9 Elim: Elliot Yamin F8 Elim: Bucky Covington F7 Elim: Mandisa F6 Elim: Paris Bennett F5 Elim: Ace Young F4 Elim: Kellie Pickler F3 Elim: Katharine McPhee/Chris Daughtry F2 Elim: Katharine McPhee/Chris Daughtry Winner: Taylor Hicks. My question is: does this come out with a better season? Honestly, I don't think so. I think the voters got it largely right last season. We wouldn't have gotten Chicken Little's "Part Time Lover". We would have missed several of Elliot's great performances ("A Song For You" is the one that stand outs, Pauler cried). Ace and Kellie as a result, get extra weeks that they probably shouldn't have, and Chris Daughtry would likely be pushed into Idol's paws as their little toy rather than having some freedom. Additionally, if I even go beyond the announced results: Bucky was in Dialidol's Bottom Two in the F24. Maybe he'd have gone home with Bobby and the rammifications could be huge. Pickler's country market is freed up even more... Now, I'm not saying that's how it would go down. Maybe the judges' infinite wisdom would have realized that Lisa Tucker would bring it to the next level after F10 and we missed that, or that Mandisa did simply have an off-week and she'd run for the finals. But I can't see that being a better season. Even this season, the only press the show is getting now is about Sanjaya, and they'd take him out at the F12 cutoff for the far less interesting Sundance Head. I just think this would seriously lose voter interest, make the skeptics even more skeptical, and may even result in a worse season on the whole.
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bob_chester 243 desperate attention whore postings
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03-31-07, 10:48 AM (EST)
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5. "RE: Could AI learn from Grease?" |
I agree agman. Lets keep it the way it is. Let the voters decide.
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Snidget 44369 desperate attention whore postings
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03-31-07, 04:21 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Could AI learn from Grease?" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-31-07 AT 04:22 PM (EST)And previous seasons when Jasmine, Kevin Corvis, or Anthony Federov surived week after week of lousy performance were not jokes? I don't see this season as significantly worse that other seasons when someone who really didn't need to be there was kept too many weeks in a row usually by the tween voters. *shrug* I also don't quite get the "he is going to win" when he clearly is not getting the most votes every week and as soon as the field narrows down a bit the tween/VFTW vote will be drowned out, again. Just my opinion. ETA: Even in shows where America picks the bottom two or three and the judges choose there are those that stay in far too long because they are way too popular to be voted out early.
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Fishercat 4168 desperate attention whore postings
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03-31-07, 11:12 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: Could AI learn from Grease?" |
Let's be fair though: the only season in which the voting public REALLY blew it so far was Season Five, in terms of sales.No one from Season Three was going to sell well. Boomie wasn't even close to the top and no system would get her up there. Everyone else (Diana, Jasmine, Latoya, John, George) hasn't sold well at all. Additionally, Hudson has made it as an actress and not a singer. Diana has had some limited success (200k albums sold), and Jasmine had success in her main voting market (Hawaii/SE Asia). Additionally, Fantasia has sold around two million copies of her debut album, was key in a highly publicized Broadway feature, had a #1 single with two more at #1 on adult R&B. Her second album did fail, but Idol got what they wanted: one big album under their control. Season Two:
Gracin had solid sales and is a big country artist, not huge, but good. Three Top 5 singles and an album that sold 1/3 of a million. Locke hasn't had a lot of mainstream success, but she hit two #1 Christmas singles on the Adult Contemporary chart with four others in the Top 20 in the AC charts. Ruben v. Clay is the real thing. The kicker is, that this was a dead heat. Ruben BARELY won, so I'm not going to blame the audience for that. It's like blaming America for voting President Bush being voted in, half the people didn't want it (if you don't like the President). Clay has definitely been more successful, but let's not kill Ruben on this. He chose a bad manager, but he still had four Top 20 singles, two more in the Top 50 on the R&B Charts. He had two Top 10 overall singles with a #1 overall on the Urban AC chart (I didn't even know that chart existed. Heh). His three albums have sold 2.5 mil overall, with his first one being platinum Clay did turn out a lot better with about 7+ million overall albums sold and several tours, huge singles, and so on. But the voting was so close and America got the Top 2 right.
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bob_chester 243 desperate attention whore postings
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04-01-07, 06:09 PM (EST)
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17. "RE: Could AI learn from Grease?" |
That is a lot of information Fishercat.
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AshLanie 895 desperate attention whore postings
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04-01-07, 04:01 AM (EST)
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14. "RE: Could AI learn from Grease?" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-01-07 AT 04:02 AM (EST)>I really liked the fact that
>there was a bottom two
>and the judges got to
>'save' somebody. This avoids
>horrible travesties early in the
>competition but can go away
>altogether in the final phases.
> Does anyone else think
>that this would be a
>good idea or is the
>bonehead vote-off good for ratings?
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Nods. I like how Grease eliminates the contestants....the bottom ones have a sing off and the judges decide who stays and who goes.
The major difference in these shows is Grease, imho, is a tad more sophisticated in its format and judging whereas AI is a circus from its preseason shows til the finale.
I also watched Nashville Star and felt that the contestants and judges were above the circus atmosphere that AI has.
Might be that the two latter shows had/have a muturer audience whereas AI has an audience of preteenm to adults.
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tamarama 1785 desperate attention whore postings
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04-01-07, 11:53 AM (EST)
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15. "RE: Could AI learn from Grease?" |
>>circus atmosphere that AI has<<Agree with that, and I wish for at least 1 new judge because of it. See if Randy can raise his game with a real judge next to him, and if not, replace him too. But *sigh* that's not the topic at hand (sorry)... I think there's another major difference between AI and Grease or SYTYCD... The level of talent and skill needed to launch/maintain a career as a professional dancer or a Broadway performer is in a different universe from that required to be a pop singer. The judges have more power on those two shows because they CAN'T let it be a contest of popularity alone, or the winner would drown in the real world of dance or musical theater. Plus, in the case of Grease, the producers need to sell tickets to the actual production. Broadway tickets are much more expensive than pop CDs, and you have to go to New York to use them (the tickets, I mean - that sounded weird). How many tweener-power-voters are going to convince mommy & daddy to take them to New York to see their favorite? And there's got to be a huge segment of the theater-going population that doesn't know or care about the tv show...they'll just be ticked off if they spend big bucks to see Grease & it sucks because some boy was cuter than some other boy. So more producer involvement was a huge, necessary safety feature. OTOH, to be a pop singer, true vocal ability is often last on the list. (Britney? Madonna? Jessica?) The one thing you need to be a pop singer is record sales - however you get them. Some actually do sell records by being good singers, but more do it by being popular or having a gimmick (or big hooters). The tweeners who vote for people like Sanjaya can afford to buy a CD when it's all over. And they're even MORE likely to buy tickets to the concert than the older crowd. Jaded old hags like me won't pay to see 10 people in concert when I only care for 1 or 2 of them. (yet I couldn't wait for the SYTYCD concert.) Despite what Simon always sez, not only is AI a popularity contest, all of pop music is a popularity contest. (hmmm, where does the term 'pop' music come from?) Yes, there are plenty of us who truly want to hear good singers. But we're not the only ones voting. We're not even the ones most likely to buy the CDs when this is all over - and THAT is Simon's biggest concern. Simon's probably already gleefully imagining future Sanjaya sales...despite his scowl on the show.
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