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4. "RE: Can you identify the Actors they planted?" |
Marc is a plant. Obviously.Zach is an actor. His job is to be the mean bully. The test is to see whether she will take him, the one decent looking, normally built guy, in spite of the fact that he's a complete jerk. Tareq is an actor. He supposedly teaches in Nigeria. You believe that? He is the bizarre, intelligent freakshow guy. Dennis L is an actor also. His job is also to push the level of dork-dom as far as possible. Joe: I'm undecided, but I think he's proabably planted too. In fact, the only reason I hesitate to believe it is because that would make five plants, which is a lot. My money says he's an actor too, the guy who will make comments about her body, look at her butt, etc.
If these guys weren't actors, do you think Zach would have smashed an egg over Marc's head? Usually there is a standing rule that if you attack anyone, you are automatically off the show.
ZACH IS A PLANT!!!!
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11-04-03, 08:44 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Can you identify the Actors they planted?" |
Sorry to disappoint, but ZACH and ADAM are NOT plants. Whether or not they're putting on a show for the cameras as most contestants on reality shows do is another story, but they are NOT actors.
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11-04-03, 11:33 PM (EST)
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11. "RE: Can you identify the Actors they planted?" |
First off, how about this: Some of these guys were paid to cooperate with the producers, to follow some sort of scripting or otherwise control, alter, or direct the outcome of the show?Whether or not they have actually gone out and auditioned to be in a Shampoo commercial is besides the point. The point is that some of these guys are not genuine contestants at all. There are clues all over the freaking place. And while it's true that all contestants are paid to be on these shows, it's not necessary, or normal, to post that disclaimer at the end of the show. I'll leave it all to speculation until another show or two airs and then I'll come back. But I find the whole thing tranparently manipulated, yet still funny. In fact, the manipulation makes it more palatable. Watch and see: someone will be humiliated, but the one humiliated will turn out to be on the dole.
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77. "RE: Can you identify the Actors they planted?" |
from the 20 minutes I spoke to Marc on the phone, he spoke about Zach as though he didnt expect anything bad to happen and such...Marc was not a plant I don't believe, but I don't think he was there for a girl...he told me when he signed up for A.J., he was with someone (but isn't now)
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8. "RE: Can you identify the Actors they planted?" |
If you watch the closing credits you will see a disclaimer at the end that says some of the guys are paid actors. It's that clear.
But it doesn't say which ones.
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10. "Here's One" |
Dennis Luciani
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12. "RE: Here's One" |
Well, well, well, isn't that interesting? Yup, Dennis has GOT to be an actor hired for this. And it is making me wonder. I know that John has worked as an actor and all I heard from him when I worked with him was that he was going to be on a reality show. Now I'm not sure if he was planted or not.... I really think that Tareq must be planted. His lines just don't seem like anything anyone would actually say.
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29. "RE: Here's One" |
I know for a fact that Tareq is a model. I've seen replicas of him hanging from car rear view mirrors.
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32. "RE: Here's One" |
A model? He's definitely not got the body for that.
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16. "RE: Here's One" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-05-03 AT 12:29 PM (EST)I think that when you take the fine print disclaimers thta ran at the end of the show: Some participants were paid in connection with their appearance. and Participants may have consulted with producers regarding their choices and decisions. And then combine these with the fact that at least one of these guys has an actor's resume and web site, I think this is a clear indication that at least some of these people are playing a part on the show. Also I think that probably the producers are limiting the field of guys that she can kick off each round. Based on these disclaimers it does not seem that this is a "true" reality show, but is at least partially scripted.
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Whatname 4 desperate attention whore postings
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20. "RE: Here's One" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-10-03 AT 08:08 AM (EST)>They say those same kinds of
>things after lots of reality
>shows. Many dating shows
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>consulting the contestants about their
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>time on the show.
>IMHO, these are too general
>to be definitive. I see your point. And though I'm not too familiar with other dating show policies, I don't think that the reference to compensation on shows like Survivor is all that relevant to this particular show. Survivor is very up front about the fact that their show is a contest, and they state in the rules on their website that the contestents receive cash consolation prizes starting at $2500. I think Average Joe is something different. NBC is clearly marketing this as an actual reality show, an "unscripted relationship drama" (quote from their website). The ads, the website, and the show (right up until that quick disclaimer at the end) all indicate that the only thing these guys are playing for is to "win her heart", which itself is pretty vague. Along those lines, I don't see where the Paid Participants come in. Who knows, maybe it's all part of the big "twist" they were advertising?
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11-14-03, 03:41 AM (EST)
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78. "RE: Dennis" |
I watched a mini clip with some of the Dennis from the sites acting and Dennis' hair and lisp was the same....he had the same voice,etc...its a 99% chance that its the same dennis
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22. "My Analysis" |
I believe that Dennis L is definitely an Actor, albeit not a professional one yet, (the producers can't have actors who would be recognized by viewers). but I watched his videos of different scenes and he has more breadth than a real nerd who has done 1 or 2 things, he just has some nerd tendencies and knows how to play them up (I say this as an amateur actress myself). But he has gone overboard with a couple of things (clues if you will). I know "the genuine article" and he is close. YES, a real one does exist. I think KirshRooney is hitting closest to the mark. I don't think its quite scripted with all actors, but there are a few who are cooperating with producers. Maybe they are slightly nerdy and play it up alot, just in order to get on the show and get the exposure. "Gee, John, we like you as a life of the party, but we really need someone a bit nerdier." "I can be nerdy!" "OK then". I don't know how I feel about this - but it sure is a Hoot!
Evil Queen in Disguise
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NedSchneebly 3 desperate attention whore postings
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28. "RE: Can you identify the Actors they planted?" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-06-03 AT 01:42 PM (EST)I think everyone has pointed out enought clues that Dennis is an actor. Again, I know for a fact that Zach and Adam are NOT. Are the rest? I don't know. What I do know, however, is that this show is an example of how far reality tv has gone. From day one, whether it be THE REAL WORLD, SURVIVOR, etc., these tv shows have been just that...shows. Their purpose is to entertain millions and millions of viewers. That means that the producers, writers, etc. jobs are to create the best stories. They will stop at nothing to do this. Play with editing, reshoot scenes, push the "contestants" to say something they don't mean, etc. So, if AVERAGE JOE uses actors and it's all scripted...guess what? It is no different from any other reality show out there. AVERAGE JOE is simply taking advantage of the fact that the masses will believe whatever the media tells them.
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30. "RE: Can you identify the Actors they planted?" |
The real clue will be how quickly Dennis' website comes down.
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31. "RE: Can you identify the Actors they planted?" |
I know one of the guys as well in real life. As far as I know there were not any "actors" as in paid with a script in hand.I do know that the guy I know was picked because of his loud and fun self and they came up to him in a bar. I wont say which guy I know..lol....But I will say that the person I saw on the tv was not the same person I know. He is alot of fun, and can be some of what was seen...but for the most part he is a really sweet and nice guy. All men have their brains in the gutter...I think some things were played up for the camera and im sure it was encouraged by the producers. Oh..btw..Hi..Im new here!!!
XOXOXO
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11-11-03, 06:19 PM (EST)
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56. "RE: Can you identify the Actors they planted?" |
Quote "Emmie, If you're referring to Zach, then you didn't meet the real Zach. Sorry to burst your bubble ;) " Sorry, Zach is not the person that I know. The person I do know is not an actor though. But I do know he was encouraged to play up his "Bad Boy" "Outrageous" attitude on camera.
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11-11-03, 05:19 AM (EST)
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35. "RE: tareq is an actor" |
Tiger Lily, are you autistic or just retarded? How can you say Tareq is NOT a planted, paid actor after viewing his ACTING site? Get a clue. Do you also believe he's working on his PHD and has visited over 60 countries?
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11-11-03, 09:57 AM (EST)
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39. "RE: tareq is an actor" |
Nope, I'm not either. I also don't use words like "retarded" in reference to human beings. And you do know that autism is an actual medical condition that real people suffer from, right?I'm not claiming that Tareq is not an actor, as I clearly stated above. Please re-read my post. I just don't choose to believe that he is a plant. I'm not the only one on the site that thinks this. Actually, I do believe that Tareq has a Ph.D. This is not so far-fetched. I had a very good childhood friend who was homeschooled along with all of her brothers and sisters, and every one of them graduated from Ivy League universities before their peers were finished with high school. I could choose to be angry at your post, but I prefer not to let things like that influence me. Instead I will just wish you a long, happy, healthy life, and move on.  
Sentence first. Verdict afterwards.
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11-11-03, 05:50 PM (EST)
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53. "PhD" |
You dont have to get your master's first to get a PhD. You can get into a program which combines both - my brother did one at Stanford. Also realize that he is from India and having a PhD at 22 is not that unusual. Plus, he might have been a PhD candidate at the time that the show was taped and was awarded it a few months later, which would mean that when the show was edited, he would be a PhD. As soon as you finish your dissertation and it is approved, you are awarded your PhD.
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81. "RE: tareq is an actor" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-14-03 AT 11:27 PM (EST)"I also don't use words like "retarded" in reference to human beings." I would. I can describe the *social workers I have had to deal with as retarded, and they don't even carry the official diagnosis. "Actually, I do believe that Tareq has a Ph.D." I do to. It's something about his culture. They are almost always extremely smart, disciplined, articulate, deep, reserved in a classy way, so they must be doing something right. Can you imagine graduating from college as the rest of us are barely finishing high school? You'd grow up so fast. May make some of us (me) feel grossly inadequate standing next to something like that. 
Gump! Best movie ever!
*Disclaimer: I can only speak from personal experience and in no way reflects on the social workers that could possibly be posting in this forum.
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48. "Warning" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-11-03 AT 03:29 PM (EST)Strum, consider this your official warning. We have guidelines on these forums, which you need to read. Between your bashing of other posters and insistance on starting duplicate threads, every one of your posts so far have been in violation of these guidelines. Please apologize for your derogatory comments. We encourage new posters, but only if they are willing to abide by the Guidelines. And for the other posters on this forum...please hit the Alert button when you see posts in violation of the guidelines and leave it to the moderators to handle theses situations. Thanks.
 We really do have guidelines here. Believe it or not, the Guidelines make things more fun. Really.
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11-14-03, 11:06 PM (EST)
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80. "Word finding ability...." |
General discussion:Autistic opinion: Known for being reserved and conveys direct and concise viewpoints. A good way to be. Retarded opinion: Known for holding back until all the facts are in before judging the situation too soon. A good way to be. Many great people are felt to be autistic or have autistic tendencies: Bill Gates and Albert Einstein among others. All my son has to say is 'bad man', and I know exactly what he means. 
Peace
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11-11-03, 11:39 AM (EST)
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40. "RE: tareq is an actor" |
The more I watch this show and the more I read posts on this site i realize that this is not a reality show at all. It is all a bunch of actors. The thing that bothers me is that these guys (so far Tareq and Dennis) are actors and are obvisiously playing characters. Both say that they are character actors on their websites. Someone on this website said they know Tareq and said he is not 21. Dennis's website shows's him playing a nerd. Dennis obvisiously looks different in real life. I mean think about last nights episode. The character of Dennis was created to evoke emotion. Did you see the tears shed when he was eliminated? Even Zach was crying. Makes nice tv don't it? I still can't get over the first 4 eliminations. Many of those guys were the best of the bunch. I think his name is Craig. The guy was hugely overweight. All he talks about is partying. His job is cigar rolling. Then you look at melana and she is so physically fit that you can see the muscles in her stomach. I could go many places here but people generally date/marry people that are like themselves. I feel that the producers give her lists and she can pick only guys from the lists they are given. For example she was probably give a list that included all the over weight guys - producers say pick one from this list. I now watch this show and everything seems contrived. I have lost all the enjoyment from this show. I will finish out this season, but season two is already filmed and forget it. I aint watching.
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Guppin1234 909 desperate attention whore postings
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11-14-03, 11:57 PM (EST)
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84. "RE: tareq is an actor" |
Actually, I could see all of these guys acting in the right role for them. Some of the best actors I've seen have been the geeky ones.In my high school, you got in trouble for being a thesbian. I didn't fit into any group, not the cheerleaders, not the stoners, not the academics, not the delinquents. Me and my best friends kind of did our own thing, and we went in and out of the typical sterotypes all on our own and partying with guys/gals much older than we. When we see some older pictures of the hollywood hotties today, it's funny how geeky they used to be. TV reminds us just as fast as we forget. 
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11-12-03, 12:53 PM (EST)
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70. "RE: tareq is an actor" |
If he is a professor then where and what is he teaching? I think that the website www.tariqkabir.com in my opinion is a fraud.
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11-14-03, 11:35 PM (EST)
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82. "But he can turn a woman on just by touching her ankles..." |
First Tareq said he didn't care for green food.Then they showed the guys in the mud bath with the green facial mask... the first thing I thought of was Veggie Tales and how these guys looked like talking bowls of guacamole. They all looked like green food at that moment. 
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11-12-03, 02:12 PM (EST)
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73. "RE: tareq is an actor" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-13-03 AT 10:39 AM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 11-12-03 AT 02:22 PM (EST) LAST EDITED ON 11-12-03 AT 02:14 PM (EST) This should put to rest any question as to whether or not Tareq is an actor.
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jimboalso 4 desperate attention whore postings
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11-11-03, 05:54 PM (EST)
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54. "RE: Can you identify the Actors they planted?" |
Uh...NO! They're not actors. They're nerds. Zack is a less than nerdy nerd, but a real person.
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11-11-03, 06:25 PM (EST)
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57. "RE: Can you identify the Actors they planted?" |
Zach is definitely less than a nerd.....but I'm not so sure about him being a real person.
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58. "My take on the Actor scandal" |
For what it is worth, I don't think there is an actor scandal. I have seen the websites. The fact that a few of the contestants have acting resumes doesn't surprise me in the slightest. This must have been a hard show to cast, most nerd types are introverted, finding someone like Dennis L. must have been like finding a gold mine for the casting agents, in fact I would not be surprised if they contacted him based upon his website. He may have been exaggerating in hopes of getting a future acting job, but I don't believe that there was colusion between Dennis L (or other actors) and the producers. There seems little to gained from such colusion, and much to be lost. Alcohol and editing add the best drama and intrigue. I read that there is a 2nd Average Joe already filmed, exposure of plants would completely destroy the marketability of both shows. This discussion reminds me of all the people that *knew* matt kennedy gould (Joe Schmoe) was really an actor.
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11-11-03, 07:29 PM (EST)
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60. "RE: Can you identify the Actors they planted?" |
Hi! First time posting here...Someone started another thread about this, but I thought it was better to reply here. David Lopez has been reported on the other thread to have been on Ghostwriter and the Cosby Show. I'm not positive about this but I think there may be two David Lopez's and the one from the show isnt the same guy...at least he looks different to me... Check this out ---> http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/heights/1973/
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Whatname 4 desperate attention whore postings
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11-11-03, 10:08 PM (EST)
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61. "Revised Disclaimers" |
At the end of the second episode, the show again flashed up the disclaimers, but the language was revised from the first episode. They were as follows:Original: Some participants were paid in connection with their appearance. Revised: Melana Scantlin was reimbursed for certain living expenses during her participation in the show. and Original: Participants may have consulted with producers regarding their choices and decisions. Revised: Participants may have consulted with producers regarding their choices and decisions, however all decisions are made solely by the participants. These revisions would appear to take steam out of my argument that these guys being paid to play a part and that the producers are dictating some of the decisions.
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11-11-03, 10:27 PM (EST)
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62. "RE: Can you identify the Actors they planted?" |
Sorry to disappoint those who were looking for a nerd-hero, especially in that great guy "Dennis", but go search for his name, Dennis Luciani, or better yet, http://killerreel.com/dennis_luciani/dennis_luciani.htmlMan was I disappointed. But he was honest...read his skills, it says he specializes in hula hooping and character acting as an accountant. Nothing on Zac. Have fun, walk in His word, live in prayer, see you thhere.
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64. "RE: Can you identify the Actors they planted?" |
You are absolutely right about Dennis. He duped the viewers to be sure. However, Tareq was 100% honest about being an actor. In episode one, he clearly stated that he would be the only contestant who would both win an Oscar and be Prime Minister of a country.
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65. "this is horrible!" |
I can't believe all this stuff I'm hearing about these men not actually being who they seem to be on the show. I'm especially upset about Dennis. He sure did a great job pretending to be one of the nicest, most genuine guys on the planet. I can't believe he was a plant.... and I thought that there really were nice guys like that that existed, whether they're nerds or not.
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66. "RE: this is horrible!" |
In regards to Dennis L, I know him personally and have to say what you saw is exactly Dennis! He did leave MA to pursue a acting career, but is working as an accountant to make ends meet. I have spoken with him many times and can assure you all that the Dennis you saw on TV is the real Dennis.
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69. "In defense of Dennis L!!!!" |
I am a local Cleveland community theatre actress, and I know TONS of actors like Dennis in Cleveland... After all, anyone who was involved in drama in high school is usually not the non-nerd type. 9 out of 10 of the straight guys who acts and are in their 30s are Dennis types. He seems like a really sweet guy. Don't be horrified. I would date him in a second. He could balance my checkbook any night he wanted to! I am sure there are many many women that feel the same way! His "full" e-mail box is proof of that.
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74. "RE: this is horrible!" |
Is he really a wirgin, waiting on that perfect girl?
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86. "RE: this is horrible!" |
Dennis is not an actor, I spoke to Marc personally and he said there were no actors planted for more viewers; Dennis is like that on AND off television
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jimboalso 4 desperate attention whore postings
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11-12-03, 02:23 PM (EST)
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75. "RE: this is horrible!" |
Is he really a wirgin waiting on that right girl?
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Guppin1234 909 desperate attention whore postings
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11-14-03, 10:49 PM (EST)
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79. "RE: Can you identify the Actors they planted?" |
Melana is probably
the actor!
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Chrissy gal 1413 desperate attention whore postings
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11-17-03, 10:40 PM (EST)
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89. "RE: Dennis' story" |
I don't get it SB. How can the article say:NBC is looking for people who think they're the life of the party. You answer the ad. They telephone and invite you to an interview. Being the life of the party, you promise to bring your hula hoop, and while you gyrate, they ask you about your career. You are hired, although you're not sure of the role. And then finish with: You received no money from NBC. You lost two weeks' pay. Shouldn't Dennis have known how much the job paid before the left on the bus? I figure they don't get paid until the show ends, just like Survivor and Big Brother, that way he is telling the truth when he says he hasn't been paid by NBC.
Chrissy gal "Never underestimate the potential psychosis of a reality show contestant." managerr
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SurvivorBlows 15230 desperate attention whore postings
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92. "RE: Dennis' story" |
LAST EDITED ON 11-18-03 AT 06:31 PM (EST)>The article could've been written
>to combat the talk on the web. Ah yes, now a New York Times company is getting involved in a conspiracy to cover for piddling six-episode reality television show... sounds completely plausible, dunno why I didn't think of that! >Really though if his dream is
>to be an actor why
>does he live in Massachusetts? Apparently you didn't read the article very closely because it clearly states he moved to LA several years ago: - "Buried" in the first statement of the second paragraph: "You make the long trek to Hollywood..." - And again near the end: "But now you are home in Sherman Oaks, Calif., and back at your 9-to-5 job as an accountant." - And again in the close: ""I've got a place to live out here, and I've got a job to sustain me while I chase the dream."
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