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"BREAKING NEWS !!re: Lockbox"
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01-09-02, 07:48 PM (EST)
 
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1. "RE: BREAKING NEWS !!re: Lockbox" |
I saw MB on ET also. He isn't giving anything away. Just trying to keep up the suspence. He said he has never said if the votes were revealed in Africa or if they will be done live on the show. He kept saying it would be like no other Survivor. Whatever that means.
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01-09-02, 09:42 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: BREAKING NEWS !!re: Lockbox" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-09-02 AT 10:08 PM (EST)This is pure speculation!!!! Maybe it wasn't a secret ballot, maybe the jury was polled one by one and they told why they voted the way they did. Edited to add: Or it's as Kelly and Brandon hinted at in their chats, like a "Real Jury". Kelly said she was like the jury foreman, and Brandon said he had taken it seriously like a real jury. Maybe the jury deliberates and has to come back with a unanimous winner.
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01-09-02, 11:59 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: BREAKING NEWS !!re: Lockbox" |
I like this idea. Then maybe personal feelings won't play as big a part and the person that played the game the best overall will win not just the nicest person.
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings
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01-10-02, 00:13 AM (EST)
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5. "RE: BREAKING NEWS !!re: Lockbox" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-10-02 AT 00:15 AM (EST)The jury has to come back with a unanimous decision? That would be an interesting twist but something like that could take a long long time (not necessarilly, just could, U.K. Survivor had a unanimous jury without that being required). Because of the questionable time element involved right at the end of the shoot in Africa, this would favor a live revelation of the winner. Even without that requirement, though, MB said during Survivor: Australia that the lockbox would be used in all future Survivors because the stress of worrying if players would accidentally reveal the winner if they knew the outcome was just too great to ever go through again. If we take it as a given, then, that MB doesn't want them to know the winner, there cannot be a unanimous requirement and the revelation must be live. "If all machines were to be annihilated at one moment, so that not a knife nor lever nor rag of clothing nor anything whatsoever were left to man but his bare body alone that he was born with, and if all knowledge of mechanical laws were taken from him so that he could make no more machines, and all machine-made food destroyed so that the race of man should be left as it were naked upon a desert island, we should become extinct in six weeks. A few miserable individuals might linger, but even these in a year or two would become worse than monkeys." (Samuel Butler, "Erewhon")
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01-10-02, 00:28 AM (EST)
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6. "RE: BREAKING NEWS !!re: Lockbox" |
yes, dabo, your logic is impeccable, much as I liked the idea drich proposed...
The jury cannot know or one could spill the beans. (Another cliche that will never be the same after Beangate.)Brandon said in his chat that he took his jury duties very seriously and tried not to let his personal opinions affect his vote. I thought and posted at the time--this implied the jury members were given instructions similar to a real jury in that they were given some kind of criteria for their decision: for example: vote for who played the best game and not just because you're pissed off at someone and are voting for the other person. Let's face it, a number of the prior jury votes were against someone as much as for anyone--similar to how I feel when I vote for President, sigh... Maybe Burnett got tired of the pettiness after crap like Jerri basically being annoyed that Colby didn't go for her sexually... Just speculation, however, Brandon seemed to have a definite idea of how a responsible juror acts and I'm not at all sure that was the case in Survivor One! As a sidenote--I don't expext any Soozin speeches. The jury gets to ask questions--says so on CBS website, probably just like S2--no speeches. Too bad. What a great moment of TV that vitriolic speech made...
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings
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01-10-02, 00:39 AM (EST)
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7. "RE: BREAKING NEWS !!re: Lockbox" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-10-02 AT 09:57 AM (EST)>Let's face it, a number of
>the prior jury votes were
>against someone as much as
>for anyone--similar to how I
>feel when I vote for
>President, sigh...
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>Maybe Burnett got tired of the
>pettiness after crap like Jerri
>basically being annoyed that Colby
>didn't go for her sexually...
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HEAR HEAR! I have no problem with each jurist deciding for himself or herself what constitutes playing the game the best, but as great TV as it made Susan's speech was just sour grapes (she was right that Kelly would probably have won had she taken Sue to the final two, though), and Jerri begging for an apology was just pathetic (but because it was her it was enjoyable TV watching Colby and Tina leave her hanging). As well, Greg's "pick a number" made him as much a bad sport as Susan, IMO. Let's hope the jury has been instructed, perhaps even supplied with a list to help them, to actually have a constructive "trial" question to pose to the final two. If nothing else, Survivor: Africa would have a saving grace at the finish. "If all machines were to be annihilated at one moment, so that not a knife nor lever nor rag of clothing nor anything whatsoever were left to man but his bare body alone that he was born with, and if all knowledge of mechanical laws were taken from him so that he could make no more machines, and all machine-made food destroyed so that the race of man should be left as it were naked upon a desert island, we should become extinct in six weeks. A few miserable individuals might linger, but even these in a year or two would become worse than monkeys." (Samuel Butler, "Erewhon")
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01-10-02, 01:18 AM (EST)
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8. "RE: BREAKING NEWS !!re: Lockbox" |
Sorry to break the continuity of the thread but I have a question that has been bugging me for a while.Do the jury members get to see what happens in the game after they have been voted off? If they are shown then how? Surely MB is not able to show them a taped version of the on-going events, right?. So what info do they get and from whom? I am presuming that as a new member of the jury enters they spill the beans as to what has happened over the last 3 days. So when Theresa arrived only she was able to relay the antics of LET, that is in her, shall we say potentially biased version of events. Would she be totally up-front as to her attempts to be the ultimate manipulator? I'm just thinking that for the first few jury members (Kelly, Brandon.....) to have full knowleage as to how the game has been played by various players since they were ousted, and so aid them in making their final-two decision, they would have to have had all events relayed to them, right? But how? And by whom? Cheers
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings
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01-10-02, 01:31 AM (EST)
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9. "RE: BREAKING NEWS !!re: Lockbox" |
Unfortunately, no, the jurists not only cannot witness anything that happens after they are sent to the jury, they are prohibited from discussing with later booties what happened while they were still in the game, all they get to base their decisions on is what transpires during tribal council."If all machines were to be annihilated at one moment, so that not a knife nor lever nor rag of clothing nor anything whatsoever were left to man but his bare body alone that he was born with, and if all knowledge of mechanical laws were taken from him so that he could make no more machines, and all machine-made food destroyed so that the race of man should be left as it were naked upon a desert island, we should become extinct in six weeks. A few miserable individuals might linger, but even these in a year or two would become worse than monkeys." (Samuel Butler, "Erewhon")
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01-10-02, 10:45 AM (EST)
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16. "RE: BREAKING NEWS !!re: Lockbox" |
So, we know that they jurors aren't SUPPOSED to tell what happened once they get booted. But how do you explain TBird telling Kelly that she cast the Lex vote that got Kelly booted? Or how about Brandon saying that Frank switched his vote so they could vote out Kelly instead of Lex? Isn't that a violation of the rules?
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings
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01-11-02, 00:14 AM (EST)
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23. "RE: BREAKING NEWS !!re: Lockbox" |
Well, I didn't know that about Greg, thanks for clearing that up. I still don't like it when the jurists don't take their duties seriously, though; I think it would be much more interesting if they all thought of interesting questions forcing the final two to come up with the answers. Greg's numbers game was not amusing, though Jeff tried to put the best face on it that he could. Sean bumbling around making a statement about basically that Kelly and Richard were in the final two and he wasn't, that was amusing."If all machines were to be annihilated at one moment, so that not a knife nor lever nor rag of clothing nor anything whatsoever were left to man but his bare body alone that he was born with, and if all knowledge of mechanical laws were taken from him so that he could make no more machines, and all machine-made food destroyed so that the race of man should be left as it were naked upon a desert island, we should become extinct in six weeks. A few miserable individuals might linger, but even these in a year or two would become worse than monkeys." (Samuel Butler, "Erewhon")
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01-10-02, 01:37 AM (EST)
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11. "RE: BREAKING NEWS !!re: Lockbox" |
I think the final tribal council will be done live, which means that the contestants will have to vote during the live broadcast. Therefore, there is no lockbox.
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heymikey 238 desperate attention whore postings
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01-10-02, 07:34 PM (EST)
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22. "RE: What!" |
I actually made the thing up. They said there were going to be changes so I thought this would be the "change" they keep on talking about.
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01-10-02, 01:59 AM (EST)
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13. "RE: BREAKING NEWS !!re: Lockbox" |
Last season, I suggested this scenario... it's how I would do it if I were Mark Burnett:-Each jury member casts vote, and then leaves the TC area permanently. -As Jeff Probst leaves to tally the votes, all non-essential crew members evacuate the area, leaving 2-3 camera people, 1-2 sound ops, a producer, Jeff, the psychologist, and the two finalists. (A total of 10 people maximum). -The finals votes are revealed, so that the audience still gets to see the reaction of winning after 39 long arduous days (biggeest complaint about live reveal). -Only 10 people are sworn to keep the final secret. Recall: In S1, there were about 120 people that knew the winner BEFORE the editing began... MB feared leaks, because 120 people is a lot to watch out for. In S2, 20 people (editors, producers, etc) knew who won AT THE TIME OF THE LIVE SHOW, but no one knew who won until two weeks prior to that show... the above provides a nice middle ground, where only a few must keep the secret, but the live aspect can be avoided. Again... this is pure speculation.
You never know what might be up my sleeeve... 
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01-10-02, 09:18 AM (EST)
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14. "Only one problem" |
The only problem I see with your theory, sleeeve, is that the jury members would talk after the show and figure out who won. We discussed that when debating the lockbox theory in S2. So bump that number up from 10....
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01-10-02, 10:15 AM (EST)
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15. "RE: BREAKING NEWS !!re: Lockbox" |
They keep stressing it will be done different than either S1 or S2. Bryant was very cryptical when he talked about it this morning. He said it will be done different but it was a neat idea. He just hoped it would work. Why would he worry it wouldn't work?
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01-10-02, 10:49 AM (EST)
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17. "RE: BREAKING NEWS !!re: Lockbox" |
Here's an Idea...
Everyone has to vote in Africa.
Then at the live revealing they have to reveal their votes personally and give their reasons there and then. This would mean no questions aimed at one player (ie: Lex) that would give the impression that he was going to lose before the votes were revealed.
Well?
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01-10-02, 01:20 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: BREAKING NEWS !!re: Lockbox" |
This post closes a loop for me. The comment made by Kelly (do not have acutal quote) that she knew who won has been bugging me. I've been thinking this means that the choice was obvious for example an Ethan vs Kim showdown. She may have participated in a group/jury type vote or somehow the change in the voting gave her the final winner and the winner is not necessarily an obvious one. minor I know but this is bugging me...
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