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Esq2 2 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 01-09-02, 09:27 AM (EST) "The Final 3" I haven't seen this mentioned anywhere, but it occurs to me that MamaKim can go to Ethan and say if we vote together we can enusre that we both make it to the Final 3 since we have the fewest prior votes made against us. Either of us wins a tiebreaker with Tom or Ethan. If we both vote for Tom, then Tom goes. If we both vote for Lex, then Lex goes. Do you think either of them realize they have this power?   Top

Subject     Author     Message Date     ID    RE: The Final 3 janisella 01-09-02 1    RE: The Final 3 dabo 01-09-02 3    RE: The Final 3 franksantlers 01-09-02 5  RE: The Final 3 strone 01-09-02 2    RE: The Final 3 WillyWonka 01-09-02 4  RE: The Final 3 Loree 01-09-02 6    RE: The Final 3 dangerkitty 01-09-02 7  RE: The Final 3 smiley 01-09-02 8

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janisella 698 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator" 01-09-02, 09:32 AM (EST) 1. "RE: The Final 3" I'm sure they both know they have this power (unless they don't know about Tom's previous votes). The question is: Does Ethan have a primary alliance with Lex and/or Tom that he will honor to the end?   Top

dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-09-02, 10:15 AM (EST) 3. "RE: The Final 3" Yes, for all Ethan and Kim J. know, Kim J. and Tom are tied at 1 each in past votes, unless Kelly told what had happened in New Samburu (Lex and Tom would have had no reason to reveal the information). Tom and Lex know, however, which means they should both realize that one of them will certainly go next should they allow Ethan and Kim J. to team up. And everyone knows that Lex is carrying the most votes. So, Lex and Tom can only team up if they can rely on Ethan or Kim voting with them, most likely Ethan would be the one they trust. If Kim were to win immunity (she has an actual chance should the next ic be Fallen Comrades, it was the #13 ic in S1), Lex's luck should run out (Ethan resents Lex for winning all those challenges). If Lex wins immunity he should stick with L/E/T strategy and Kim is gone. It's possible Teresa's last-ditch strategy would motivate Lex to vote for Tom, but only if his gut tells him to go with another bad decision, and Kim would have to vote for Tom because she knows she can't beat Ethan in a tie/deadlock. "If all machines were to be annihilated at one moment, so that not a knife nor lever nor rag of clothing nor anything whatsoever were left to man but his bare body alone that he was born with, and if all knowledge of mechanical laws were taken from him so that he could make no more machines, and all machine-made food destroyed so that the race of man should be left as it were naked upon a desert island, we should become extinct in six weeks. A few miserable individuals might linger, but even these in a year or two would become worse than monkeys." (Samuel Butler, "Erewhon")   Top

franksantlers 32 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge" 01-09-02, 10:29 AM (EST) 5. "RE: The Final 3" You wrote:I'm sure they both know they have this power (unless they don't know about Tom's previous votes). The question is: Does Ethan have a primary alliance with Lex and/or Tom that he will honor to the end? Ethan does know about Tom's previous votes. Remember in episode 9, Ethan tried to warn Tom that Frank could vote him off at the the next Tribal Counsel. Ethan's reasoning was that since Lex has immunity, Tom's 3 votes would get him kicked off in a 4-4 tie vote at Tribal Counsel.   Top

strone 70 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square" 01-09-02, 10:07 AM (EST) 2. "RE: The Final 3" This power is huge, but will they use this or not????   Top

WillyWonka 5 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson" 01-09-02, 10:24 AM (EST) 4. "RE: The Final 3" When Colby and Tina dragged Keith to the Final 3 they did not want him to win - it cost Colby 900K to take Tina to the Final 2 but there was principle behind it. He and Tina carried Keith. I feel that Ethan, even though it would guarantee the Final 3 to link up with MK, may feel that he, tom and Lex have dragged her this far and she doesn't deserve to win. She was weak early, has not performed well in challenges, doesn't gather wood, but was useful to the L/E/T strategy. He might feel that he'd rather lose to the men than to a weaker, albeit innocuous, MK. For that reason I think she gets booted 1st leaving the alliance MB showed us very early.   Top

Loree 8616 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold" 01-09-02, 11:05 AM (EST) 6. "RE: The Final 3" Ethan really does seem to have the power here. He can decide to stay with the men and boot MamaKim. Or he can team with MamaKim and take out one of the men. Which will he do? How much does he honour any alliance he has with Lex and/or Tom? We know Ethan is always worried about his competition. In the final IC that would be Lex. But who does Ethan think is the biggest threat to beat him for the final vote with the jury? I wish we had seen more of what Ethan is thinking. They have even blurred what he has said at TC when voting. I'm sure we would have had a clue if we had heard everything he said when voting.   Top

dangerkitty 1913 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Herbal Healing Drugs Endorser" 01-09-02, 12:37 PM (EST) 7. "RE: The Final 3" Yes, Ethan has a lot of power here. Observations on Ethan: -We heard his recent comment about "used to think he wanted to go up against the best and beat the best, but now I'm not sure" - this during his resentment of Lex winning everything. This hints that he would vote out Lex. -Yet, one of his reasons for voting out Clarence was that he was his "biggest threat" (although he also did not like/trust Clarence). -On SI, the beginning of the "Facial Hair" clip, Ethan says to Lex "Sssh there's Tom, don't talk about it anymore". Indicates that he and Lex were discussing voting out Tom. -Yet, earlier episode he says that Tom and he are "like brothers", and he was also talking to Tom last ep about not wanting Lex to win. -Several scenes throughout the season of Ethan with MK, seems to want MK to stay. MK seems to think they have a F2 alliance due to her comment about "you'll have to vote one of the boys out next time". -Yet, the look on Ethan's face at that remark suggests that he is not so solid on that. We know that in the last episode, Ethan discussed strategy with each member of his alliance in private. Lex might have instigated the Tom discussion, due to Teresa's revelation - Ethan might not have said much, we don't know. We do know that he complained to Tom quite clearly about Lex winning so much. MK was also leading the discussion with her. Only immunity can save Lex, he can be voted out by any two people. Ethan has hinted that he would vote out Lex. Tom has hinted, too, but other evidence says that he won't cast that vote himself. That means MK would have to do it, and she knows that Tom wants the dirty work done for him. Could Ethan convince her to do it anyway? Tom can be saved only by immunity or a tie with Lex. If Lex decides that his gut says Tom has betrayed him in any way, that would justify him voting Tom. MK has indicated she would. I feel that Ethan would not, and if Lex wins immunity that means voting MK with Tom, which wouldn't do any good - Tom loses that tie. What would Ethan do if Lex and MK said, we're voting Tom? MK would win any tie except against Ethan, and I can't imagine a scenario where she ties Ethan. So Ethan has to vote against her with the others for her to go. How could Ethan go? MK would have to vote against him, and I just can't imagine her choosing Ethan rather than Tom or Lex. I have to say, I have been disappointed with this season a lot of the time, but the puzzle here at the end is truly intriguing. MB has put it together so that so many possiblities reasonably exist. I do hope that there are some big revelations during the show that both clarify things and make it even more complex. dangerkitty   Top

smiley 2009 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator" 01-09-02, 12:44 PM (EST) 8. "RE: The Final 3" As mamakim has been seen to say in the previews for the upcoming episode "this could be a very interesting tribal council". Although we have seen this clip before, is there any evidence that it in fact fits into the story here???? and that MB just used it for convenience value before. If the next IC is Fallen Comarades and mamakim wins, it indeed will be interesting since MB has shown us on many occasions that a Lex-Ethan-Tom alliance exists. Who would they vote for?   Top

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