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"SurvivorBlows Tribe, It's Time to Vote!"
SherpaDave 8326 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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"SurvivorBlows Tribe, It's Time to Vote!" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-09-02 AT 01:58 AM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 01-09-02 AT 01:46 AM (EST) by SurvivorBlows (admin) and then again by Sherps a little later Almost forgot to do this and have to be offline shortly, so just posting this teeny bit for now. Will edit more in later. Wow! The last time! Thanks, kids, it's been a pleasure. And Supes, you hunka hunka burnin' underoos, thanks for sharing the duties with me this season. I was gonna do one last Supes/Sherps transcript, but I'm all verklempt. R U L E S 1. REPLY TO THIS POST ONLY! 2. This is not a discussion thread. Do not treat it as such! 3. Put the name of your choice for this week's Final Finish in the Subject Heading, using the following format: FOURTH/THIRD/SECOND/FIRST Example: KIM/TOM/LEX/ETHAN 4. Thank Bebo for her wonderful summary of last week's show. 5. Thank DangerKitty for her wonderful summary of this week's show, since you won't have the chance in another vote thread. 6. Hell, thank all the summary writers. If I do say so myself, we did one helluva job this miserable season. Here's hoping S4 is better. Write hard and clear about what hurts. - Ernest Hemingway Criminals From the Neck Up
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RE: SurvivorBlows Tribe, It's Time ... |
westgirl98 |
01-09-02 |
1 |
My Picks......... |
kuchakor |
01-09-02 |
2 |
SUBJECT LINE RULE! |
dabo |
01-09-02 |
3 |
K/T/L/E |
Rexx |
01-09-02 |
4 |
RE: SUBJECT LINE RULE! |
SurvivorBlows |
01-09-02 |
6 |
RE: SUBJECT LINE RULE! |
SherpaDave |
01-09-02 |
7 |
ETHAN/TOM/LEX/KIM |
SadAddict |
01-10-02 |
64 |
MK - T - E - L |
heymikey |
01-09-02 |
5 |
MK/E/L/T |
bergdogg |
01-09-02 |
8 |
Sobb. Sobb TOM / Kim / Ethan / Lex... |
Naked |
01-09-02 |
9 |
Tom/Kim/Lex/Ethan |
Mumbo Jumbo |
01-09-02 |
10 |
Tom/ThongGranny/Lex/Ethan |
PepeLePew13 |
01-09-02 |
11 |
T-MK-L-E |
Tatina |
01-09-02 |
12 |
L-K-E-T |
realityluver |
01-09-02 |
13 |
Tom/KimJ/Lex/Ethan |
zzz |
01-09-02 |
14 |
Mama Kim, Tom, Lex, Ethan |
ItzLisa |
01-09-02 |
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Tom/MamaKim/Lex Ethan |
Esq2 |
01-09-02 |
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MamaKim/Tom/Lex/Ethan |
janisella |
01-09-02 |
17 |
T/MK/L/E |
thndrkttn |
01-09-02 |
18 |
RE: SurvivorBlows Tribe, It's Time ... |
Hemlock59 |
01-09-02 |
19 |
MamaKim, Lex, Ethan, Tom |
LionChow |
01-09-02 |
20 |
MK/E/L/T |
Cin |
01-09-02 |
21 |
T/KJ/L/E |
lionsroar |
01-09-02 |
22 |
T / MK / L / E |
lroy |
01-09-02 |
23 |
Kim/Tom/Lex/Ethan |
weltek |
01-09-02 |
24 |
Tom/Kim/Lex/Ethan |
Loree |
01-09-02 |
25 |
Tom/Mama Kim/Ethan/Lex |
FesterFan1 |
01-09-02 |
26 |
MamaKim/Tom/Lex/Ethan |
Mercury |
01-09-02 |
27 |
K/L/T/E |
shellybelly |
01-09-02 |
28 |
E/MK/T/L |
true |
01-09-02 |
29 |
Vote Totals So Far... |
AyaK |
01-09-02 |
30 |
T/K/L/E |
TheWanderer |
01-09-02 |
31 |
K/T/L/E |
NightScribe |
01-09-02 |
32 |
Ethan/Tom/Lex/Mama Kim |
PagongRatEater |
01-09-02 |
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Lex/Tom/Kim/Ethan |
JohnMc |
01-09-02 |
34 |
Tom / Kim / Lex / Ethan |
diamond |
01-09-02 |
35 |
Tom/Kim/Lex/Ethan |
Survivorchick |
01-09-02 |
36 |
RE: SurvivorBlows Tribe, It's Time ... |
strone |
01-09-02 |
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T/E/K/L |
ivoryElephant |
01-09-02 |
38 |
E/K/L/T |
Jizzy |
01-09-02 |
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K-E-L-T Well, the 1st thing you kno... |
coyotedean |
01-09-02 |
40 |
K/T/L/E |
wendyp |
01-09-02 |
41 |
T/E/K/L |
Survivor Maniac |
01-09-02 |
42 |
Kim/Tom/Lex/Ethan |
tjack |
01-09-02 |
43 |
Tom/MK/Lex/Ethan |
scante60a |
01-09-02 |
44 |
Kim/Ethan/Tom/Lex |
Weems |
01-09-02 |
45 |
Tom/KimJ/Ethan/Lex |
Scarberian |
01-09-02 |
46 |
T/MK/L/E |
Bebo |
01-09-02 |
47 |
T/K/L/E |
Pinky and the Brain |
01-09-02 |
48 |
Vote Totals So Far... |
AyaK |
01-09-02 |
49 |
Lex, Kim, Ethan, TOM! |
VampKira |
01-09-02 |
50 |
kim/ethan/tom/lex |
vulcan |
01-09-02 |
51 |
E/T/K/L.... |
MDSkinner |
01-09-02 |
52 |
Tom/Ethan/MKim/Lex |
Lancerdude74 |
01-09-02 |
53 |
Kim / Tom / Lex / Ethan |
Krautboy |
01-09-02 |
54 |
TOM / KIM / ETHAN / LEX |
macamrox |
01-09-02 |
55 |
K/T/L/E & red the chicken |
drich61 |
01-09-02 |
56 |
E - MK - L - T |
Bungler |
01-09-02 |
57 |
E-K-L-T |
Rain Crow |
01-09-02 |
58 |
mk/E/L/T |
LadyT |
01-09-02 |
59 |
Lex/Tom/Ethan/Kim J |
BaquaR13 |
01-09-02 |
60 |
Kim/Tom/Lex/Ethan |
Round Robin |
01-09-02 |
61 |
ETHAN~KIM~TOM~LEX |
BigBastard |
01-09-02 |
62 |
Kim/Tom/Lex/Ethan |
AyaK |
01-10-02 |
63 |
Vote Totals So Far... |
AyaK |
01-10-02 |
65 |
T/K/E/L |
dabo |
01-10-02 |
66 |
Kim/Ethan/Tom/Lex |
sleeeve |
01-10-02 |
67 |
Tom/Kim/Lex/Ethan |
mookiemeister |
01-10-02 |
68 |
Kim/Tom/Lex/Ethan |
jayseae |
01-10-02 |
69 |
Tom-Ethan-Kim-Lex |
Serendipity |
01-10-02 |
70 |
Lex, MamaKim, Tom, Ethan |
cowboyroo |
01-10-02 |
71 |
T/L/K/E |
katem |
01-10-02 |
72 |
MK/T/L/E |
anotherkim |
01-10-02 |
73 |
TOM/KIM/LEX/ETHAN |
Afreaqua |
01-10-02 |
74 |
MamaKim/Tom/Lex/Ethan |
Swami |
01-10-02 |
75 |
Kim/Ethan/Lex/Tom |
Kalsteau |
01-10-02 |
76 |
Tom/MamaKim/Lex/Ethan |
George Tirebiter |
01-10-02 |
77 |
T/MK/L/E |
travelingbetty |
01-10-02 |
78 |
T/MK/L/E |
Rose Red |
01-10-02 |
79 |
KIM/TOM/LEX/ETHAN |
volmel |
01-10-02 |
80 |
K / E / L / T |
bondt007 |
01-10-02 |
81 |
Tom/Kim/Lex/Ethan |
twentyfourseven |
01-10-02 |
82 |
Tom / Mama Kim / Ethan / Lex |
katethegreat |
01-10-02 |
83 |
Vote Totals So Far... |
AyaK |
01-10-02 |
84 |
T/K/L/E |
Outfrontgirl |
01-10-02 |
85 |
Kim/Lex/Ethan/Tom |
GuessItRains |
01-10-02 |
86 |
Tom/Lex/Kim/Ethan |
Tinkerbell |
01-10-02 |
87 |
KIM/ETHAN/LEX/TOM |
rwj3eb |
01-10-02 |
88 |
KIM/TOM/LEX/ETHAN |
moonbaby |
01-10-02 |
89 |
Ethan / Tom / Lex / Kim J OR Tom / ... |
heresy |
01-10-02 |
90 |
Tom/Kim/Lex/Ethan |
Frau Hexe |
01-10-02 |
91 |
Tom/Ethan/Kim/Lex |
Kokoro |
01-10-02 |
92 |
MK/E/L/T |
Amily |
01-10-02 |
93 |
T/E/K/L |
specie |
01-10-02 |
94 |
T / E / K / L |
tackysue |
01-10-02 |
95 |
Tom, MamaK, Lex, Ethan |
s_man |
01-10-02 |
96 |
T/E/K/L |
snoocharoo |
01-10-02 |
97 |
T/E/MK/L |
longtimelurker |
01-10-02 |
98 |
Kim / Tom / Lex / Ethan |
Lisapooh |
01-10-02 |
99 |
K / T / L / E |
dangerkitty |
01-10-02 |
100 |
I forgot this... |
snoocharoo |
01-10-02 |
101 |
Big Tom/Momma Thong/Lex Luthor/Etha... |
shanana banana |
01-10-02 |
102 |
Tom/Mama/Lex/Ethan |
MakeItStop |
01-10-02 |
103 |
LEX/TOM/KIM/ETHAN |
SurvivorBlows |
01-10-02 |
104 |
Vote Totals So Far... |
AyaK |
01-10-02 |
105 |
L/T/K/E |
IceCat |
01-10-02 |
106 |
Lex-Kim-Tom-Ethan |
idiotcowboy |
01-10-02 |
107 |
T/K/L/E |
Blueville |
01-10-02 |
108 |
Mama Kim/Tom/Ethan & LEX..... |
Dalton |
01-10-02 |
109 |
Tom/MamaKim/Lex/Ethan |
FFantasyFX |
01-10-02 |
110 |
Tom/Kim/Lex/Ethan |
flying squirrel |
01-10-02 |
111 |
FINAL Vote Totals |
sleeeve |
01-10-02 |
112 |
Congratulations to... |
AyaK |
01-10-02 |
113 |
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westgirl98 92 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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01-09-02, 00:01 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: SurvivorBlows Tribe, It's Time to Vote!" |
Okay here we go 4th= Mk 3rd= Tom 2nd= Lex 1st= ETHAN!!!! of course this is all subject to change before Thursday!!!
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kuchakor 126 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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01-09-02, 01:08 AM (EST)
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2. "My Picks........." |
LAST EDITED ON 01-09-02 AT 05:13 PM (EST)Well, I think this will be pretty logical, but not all the way, as Teresa said, we WILL be suprised of who is in the final two. When she says WE, she means the general viewing audience. (These picks may change due to spoilers) 4.Mamakim - Her part is done, she knows she is ranked fourth in their alliance and will go barring immunity. 3.Ethan - Lex wins the final immunity and realizes that his only chance is against Tom. 2.Lex - He couldn't have won against any of the other final four, it's just a few bad mistakes he made that kept him from the million. 1.Tom - Pulls it off after being taken into the final two. It has been documented in previous Survivors, the person who wins the most immunities ALWAYS LOSES!!!! And, as before, the vote will be 4-3. Teresa figures that the normal audience doesn't expect Lex to be in the finals. Tom's Votes.... 1.Lil'Kim - She didn't seem to like Lex much, and her partnership with Tom in the IC and constant flirting will secure her vote for the big guy. 2.Frank - Frank didn't like Lex, because Lex teamed w/Brandon and didn't align with Frank, plus Frank seemed to like Tom alot. 3.Ethan - The fact that Lex didn't repay Ethan by taking him on the trip (Just as Ethan did with Lex) may be one factor, another is that Lex wins immunity and kicks him out. 4.Kelly - She dispises Lex....will proboably pull a Sue Hawk and further ruin Lex's slim chances of winning, plus she seemed to have liked Tom somewhat. Lex's Votes..... 1.MamaKim - Seemed to have a friendship with Lex. This vote could change to Tom, but I think she'll vote Lex. 2.Teresa - Was friends with him from the time they met. 3.Brandon - They had an alliance, and just like Rudy, Brandon will fullfill his requirements and vote for Lex. *EDITED - To thank the summary writers, you've done an awesome job this season....plus, mods, I can't change the subject to this, sorry, lol.
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dabo 26942 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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01-09-02, 01:16 AM (EST)
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3. "SUBJECT LINE RULE!" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-09-02 AT 01:47 AM (EST)edited to add that Bebo did a wonderful summary of episode #12. Make your picks in the subject line! If you think Kim goes next, Lex after Kim, then Tom wins, your SUBJECT LINE should read K/L/E/T. Webby or a blue man, no prob if you delete this post after the info gets added to the top post. "If all machines were to be annihilated at one moment, so that not a knife nor lever nor rag of clothing nor anything whatsoever were left to man but his bare body alone that he was born with, and if all knowledge of mechanical laws were taken from him so that he could make no more machines, and all machine-made food destroyed so that the race of man should be left as it were naked upon a desert island, we should become extinct in six weeks. A few miserable individuals might linger, but even these in a year or two would become worse than monkeys." (Samuel Butler, "Erewhon")
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Rexx 9 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson"
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01-09-02, 01:36 AM (EST)
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4. "K/T/L/E" |
These are my picks based on the analysis of the information I read on this site. Thanks for all the information from everyone, I've really enjoyed it. P.S. This site is GREAT because it is always updated immediatly, Keep up the geat work!!
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SadAddict 3 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson"
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01-10-02, 01:44 AM (EST)
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64. "ETHAN/TOM/LEX/KIM" |
here u go
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heymikey 238 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star"
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01-09-02, 01:41 AM (EST)
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5. "MK - T - E - L" |
(4) MamaKim (3) Tom (2) Ethan (1) Lex
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Naked 887 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Fitness Correspondent"
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01-09-02, 04:33 AM (EST)
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9. "Sobb. Sobb TOM / Kim / Ethan / Lex Snif, Sniff" |
This is completly diffrent than my PTTE so I'll have more of a shot at bragging after one of them comes through. (Just partially joking) I just feel that spoilers are pointing to this.)4.) Tom finishes 4th sister spoiler 5.) Theresa SI Good old boys stick together spoiler. bye Kim 6) What the hell, I'm going with Lex's GUT !!!! So Sad that this is our last vote this year. Thank you guys for making this be the best Board on the internet !!!! I'll miss you guys, and see ya next year.
BEBO, YOU ROCKED ME LIKE A HURRICANE !!! Can't wait for the follow up musical sequal.
DK, MAY YOUR FUNNY BONE BE TICKELED While you write yet anouther fabulous summary. If I've foggot to thank you for your summarry this year, then here it is. They where All very well writen, and made this year better. Thanks to everyone who took the time to put these out. Naked
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Mumbo Jumbo 270 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star"
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01-09-02, 06:25 AM (EST)
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10. "Tom/Kim/Lex/Ethan" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-09-02 AT 02:13 PM (EST)This is the same listing as my original PTTE for the final four before I 'fixed' it. 4. Tom spoiler says he goes fourth. MamaKim and Lex's gut conspire against him. 3. Thank god she's gone. 2. I'm not sure who wins fallen comrades but I'm leaning toward Lex who takes Ethan to the finals as part of honoring LET commitment. Sucker. 1. Despite the Lex fans rallying to the cause, he will lose and big. T-bird--definite Lex voter which may also explain some of Kelly's residual resentment toward her. Likes Lex and tends to gravitate toward alpha male. When she got booted she kissed everyone but E. Brandon-- likes Lex but keeps saying he voted for the best player without being effected by personal feelings. Hint, hint. We would have assumed a Lex vote from Brandon but he is trying to tell us that this is not what he happened. The best player pretends to be nice. Brandi votes for Ethan. Frank and Kelly can't stand Lex and Tom has residual anger which will be compounded be the fourth place finish. All Ethan voters. KimP will not vote for someone that she doesn't think is nice. She votes Ethan. MamaKim-adores Ethan and will vote for him despite her third place finish. Ethan wins 6-1; The only possible defectors to Lex that I forsee from this list might be MamaKim who I suspect is gonna be pretty pissed about finishing third. Ethan could lose her vote if he wins final immunity and takes Lex verses Lex booting MK. Brandon, too, I've waffled on slightly but still feel good about the Ethan pick. Forgot to thank Bebo and Dangerkitty and all of the summary writers in my first post. Great job everyone. Oops.
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PepeLePew13 26134 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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01-09-02, 06:34 AM (EST)
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11. "Tom/ThongGranny/Lex/Ethan" |
I've been a little out of the loop with all the discussions on this board the past week with my crazy back-to-school schedule lately, but here goes...Tom goes in fourth place -- spoilers seem to suggest that his sister says he is 4th and while I believe in the 3 guys alliance, this is where Lex/Ethan decide they have to break it up to maximize their chances of going to the final two, and Lex will surely feel let down or paranoid about Tom after hearing what T-Bird said in the last episode. Thong Granny finishes 3rd as she's now 'fulfilled her usefulness' here. It's a much closer vote here than some people might expect -- Lex could even win the jury vote depending on how he present himself and his answers to jury questions before the vote. I feel that just enough people may choose to remember how Lex manipulated the tribe over the fact that he played the game really well, so Ethan wins 4-3. It can very easily be a 4-3 vote for Lex. "It's just funny seeing people that are matched up, everyone has a partner now and everyone's happy. And boy, my camping trip just went to hell." Frank Garrison, Dec. 13/01
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Tatina 112 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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01-09-02, 06:55 AM (EST)
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12. "T-MK-L-E" |
I too am starting to think that there will indeed be a final Lex-Ethan showdown, and that Ethan will win. The rest is pure speculation (there aren't any spoilers to speak about), but here's how I think it will go and why.First TC: Lex will be immune, again. Votes: Tom 2 - MK 2 Boot: Tom, who has more previous votes than MamaKim. Second TC: Ethan will be immune. Boot: MamaKim. Ethan will take Lex with him to the F2. Final vote: Could be even 7-0 to Ethan, though I think 6-1 or 5-2 is more likely. I firmly believe that Ethan and Tom didn't sell each other out, at any point. If that happened I don't think Ethan would have been visiting Big Tom's farm. But the fact that Ethan did visit Tom's farm also shows they can't be the final two. So, one of them has to be out soon, without the one of them being able to help the other. Tom will take the bullet for Ethan in a way, and will have "no regrets" about it.
Lex, who is calling the shots, trusts Ethan, but not Tom. MamaKim knows this and also that the LET are going to target her. She knows that her only chance is to persuate Lex to vote against Tom with her. That would result to a tie that Tom would loose because of the prior votes casted against him. Lex will be easily convinced, since he now thinks that he can win also the last Immunity and be able to take who ever he wants to the F2. He thinks he has better chances of winning the million dollars against MamaKim than against Ethan or Tom. Only that everything doesn't go exactly as Lex thought it would go. Ethan wins the last IC, and is in a win-win situation when taking Lex to the F2. He doesn't have to break his loyalty to his original alliance to have a chance to win a million dollar. And he will win, most probably by a real landslide. Even Brandon might turn his coat once again and vote for Ethan. Just about everybody but Kelly will be happy to vote for Ethan. Kelly will make a speach a là Susan Hawk stating that she thinks neither of the final two is deserving to win, since both of them betrayed her in a way or another. But she will vote for Ethan, since from her post-Survivor comments it's obvious she has reached some kind of a closure with Lex (she's had her revenge), but her comments still show a considerable amount of bitterness towards Ethan.
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realityluver 267 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star"
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01-09-02, 08:51 AM (EST)
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13. "L-K-E-T" |
This is based on the fact that I think Lex's luck has run out. They are tired of him winning immunity (which is the only thing that can save him now), and I don't think he'll get it this time. Next it's time to get rid of the useless (useable) Mama Kim. Ethan and Tom in the finals...I think Tom can take Ethan (Ethan has been way too likeable from day one to win this thing).
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ItzLisa 3350 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity"
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01-09-02, 09:30 AM (EST)
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15. "Mama Kim, Tom, Lex, Ethan" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-09-02 AT 09:53 AM (EST)Please God, oh please oh please oh please oh please.... Thanks for the awesome summary Bebo!!! Thanks to my DK Doll (that's Dangekitty to ya newbies, hee hee!) for the excellent (and I know it will be!) end summary in advance! Thanks to Sherps ("Bruce, Bruce, Bruce, Bruce, Bruce and myself") and Supe (Sherp's aforementioned "Poofter") for keeping the voting threads burning brightly all season long! Edit: Thanks to ALL the summary writers! You guys consistently take it to the next level every single time! ****************************************
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Esq2 2 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson"
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01-09-02, 09:31 AM (EST)
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16. "Tom/MamaKim/Lex Ethan" |
TomMamaKim Lex
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janisella 698 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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01-09-02, 09:36 AM (EST)
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17. "MamaKim/Tom/Lex/Ethan" |
The nice guy will win this time.
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thndrkttn 3216 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity"
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01-09-02, 09:39 AM (EST)
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18. "T/MK/L/E" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-09-02 AT 09:42 AM (EST)I would love to say that Lex gets ousted earlier than this and I would rather have that than be correct. He is he classic person that "everyone loves to hate." Actually, I hope I am completely wrong with my picks. At least it would add a little spice to an otherwise mundane season. Hail to Bebo for the brilliant summary..."glad this 'aint fer 'munity" had me peeing my drawers. This board has a veritable treasure trove of posters with unbelievable and unparalleled wit. Everyone, this is my first season on here and I came in 3/4 of the way through. I have to say, this, by far, has been the best part of the show. I think MB should put OFG, Supe, Naked, and Bungler on his payroll. Oh and editted to say thanks to Dangerkitty for the last summary in advance.
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Hemlock59 3 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson"
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01-09-02, 09:57 AM (EST)
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19. "RE: SurvivorBlows Tribe, It's Time to Vote!" |
L/MK/T/E
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LionChow 2033 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator"
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01-09-02, 10:22 AM (EST)
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20. "MamaKim, Lex, Ethan, Tom" |
Going with the underdog. The MamaKim thing is just wishful thinking probably.
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lionsroar 157 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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01-09-02, 10:56 AM (EST)
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22. "T/KJ/L/E" |
I'm going to stick with my final four picks I've had for the last several weeks in the other thread. I still think Lex makes the final two because of all the spoilers about the final two being one hated and one liked. I truly hope that the boys stick out their alliance and lose the dead weight in the final three but I'm almost certain Mama makes the final three.
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01-09-02, 11:04 AM (EST)
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23. "T / MK / L / E" |
Just moochin' off this boards great thinkers...
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01-09-02, 11:11 AM (EST)
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24. "Kim/Tom/Lex/Ethan" |
Gosh, I don't know. I'm going with theory that the original Boran alliance holds true with LET, Kim being last into that. So, Kim, not likely winning immunity, gets the boot first. I think Ethan wins the final immunity (due to preview hype about him being "the favorite")and he gets to pick his final parter. He choses Lex over Tom for three reasons: 1) Lex was a good contender, winning many immunity challenges, Tom coasted through most of them. 2) I don't think Ethan likes Tom as much as he likes Lex. The smelly feet, the backwoods "Jew" talk, his ignorance...Tom just really could get irritating, and it seems he did a bit to Ethan. 3) Lex is easier to win against.There may be a few surprise Lex votes, but Ethan wins by a landslide. Lex loved his Survivor experience, but hates everyone for voting for Ethan when he feels he deserved to win, hence the tatoo, but doesn't talk much to others. Ethan is the perfect Survivor posterboy. MB & CBS is happy. The End.
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FesterFan1 5947 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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01-09-02, 11:26 AM (EST)
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26. "Tom/Mama Kim/Ethan/Lex" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-09-02 AT 02:28 PM (EST)Lex wins Fallen Comrades IC and he and Tom vote for MK. Ethan and MK vote Tom. Tom loses on tie-breaker. Ethan wins endurance IC of some sort and doesn't pull a Colby. He thinks he'll have a better chance vs. Lex and votes MK. Lex wins 4-3 getting votes from Brandon, Li'l Kim, Tom and MK. Ethan gets votes from Kelly, Teresa and Frank. What? It could happen. **Edited to say "Where the hell are my manners!" Props to ALL summary writers! You are all in a class by yourself (is that even possible?). I aspire to such wordsmithiness... Fester
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01-09-02, 11:40 AM (EST)
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27. "MamaKim/Tom/Lex/Ethan" |
Just sticking with my PTTE picks.
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01-09-02, 11:42 AM (EST)
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28. "K/L/T/E" |
This is the only logical order as far as I can see.
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01-09-02, 11:47 AM (EST)
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29. "E/MK/T/L" |
Posting before I change my mind, AGAIN!I'm a little iffy about 4th and 3rd place, but I am leaning toward a Mama Kim immunity win, making it "an interesting TC", and the fact that MK stated last week that she was the next one out. The ONLY way that the next TC is interesting, would be if MK wins IC, and L/E/T have to decide who to vote out. Burnit wants us to think that Lex is mad at Tom, and he will be the featured target, but, we all know that the featured target NEVER goes. So, Ethan goes first. He is the third wheel in the L/E/T. The next TC is a no brainer, cause MK is on the outside, and she easily goes next. That leaves a final of Tom and Lex. Surprise!! (and it always is) Lex wins!! And the voting goes like this- Kelly-Tom Brandon-Lex Frank-Lex KimP-Tom Teresa-Lex Ethan-Lex MK-Lex Could be a closer vote, but thats the way I see it. So, that probably means it is completely wrong! Thanks to all the summary writers!
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01-09-02, 11:48 AM (EST)
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30. "Vote Totals So Far..." |
LAST EDITED ON 01-09-02 AT 11:52 AM (EST)This is post #30, summarizing 26 votes. The only outcomes that no one has picked so far are KimJ finishing first or second. The Boys stick together, I guess. 4th place: KimJ....12 Tom....11 Lex......2 Ethan...1 3rd place: KimJ....14 Tom.....7 Ethan...3 Lex......2 2nd place: Lex.....17 Ethan...6 Tom.....3 KimJ.....0 1st place: Ethan..16 Tom.....5 Lex......5 KimJ.....0
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01-09-02, 11:56 AM (EST)
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31. "T/K/L/E" |
Big Bear loses 2-2 tie vote to MKIn F3 IC, Lex or Ethan wins and pulls the other in to the F2. Vote: Kelly: Ethan (after a Soozin speech to Lex) Brandon: Ethan Frank: Ethan KimP: Ethan T-bird: Lex Tom: Ethan MK: Ethan Ethan wins 6-1
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01-09-02, 12:45 PM (EST)
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34. "Lex/Tom/Kim/Ethan" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-09-02 AT 12:47 PM (EST)Kim/Tom/Lex/Ethan This is the logical choice, pretty obvious, I know. So just to be honery, I'm voting for a different combination based on illogic, since a lot of the game has been like this so far. F4 - Ethan wins immunity - Lex is booted cuz he's a butt nut. F3 - KJ wins immunity for Fallen Comrades - she boots Tom because he has the most votes F2 votes - Kim - Teresa (PMS alliance), Kim P (PMS alliance), Lex (respects her for getting this far and kicking himself for not winning immunity) Ethan - Kelly (wouldn't vote for KJ if her life depended on it), Brandon (they may have had an African fling!), Tom (Good ol Boys alliance - not voting for KJ since she booted him), Frank (testosterone alliance) 4-3, just what EPM wants Surprise ending, based on illogic. Should be a good show!
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01-09-02, 01:36 PM (EST)
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35. "Tom / Kim / Lex / Ethan" |
Ugh, I hate predicting more than one boot at a time. TC #1: Tom There are definitely good arguments for L-E-T sticking together and booting Kim, but I don’t think that will happen. A lot of attention has been paid to Lex and Tom “swearing on their sons' names.” But as Kelly told us, Lex made everyone swear on a loved one. Presumably, he made Ethan swear on someone he cares about (e.g., his mom, his girlfriend, or maybe his couch). He probably also made Kim do the same. He has to break an agreement with one of these people eventually. We only saw him refer explicitly to his and Tom’s agreement, to make us think that’s the most important one, but I think this is the one that will be broken. During the last episode, even though the Tom boot was misdirection, Teresa planted seeds of doubt in Lex’s mind about Tom’s loyalties. In referring to Tom, Lex said, “If I think he’s going to stab me in the back, I’ll cut his throat.” It doesn’t matter what Tom will or will not in fact do. All that matters is what Lex thinks Tom will do. If Lex believes that Tom will betray him, then Tom has violated their agreement in Lex’s mind, and Lex will have no problem with sending Tom packing. Kim and Ethan will go along with this, stay true to their alliance, and send the “backstabber” home. This scenario does not depend on who gets immunity, unless it is Tom, obviously. For the record, I think it will probably be the Fallen Comrades IC, and I think Lex will win. I can't see any way Tom would win this. TC #2: Kim I think this one is fairly simple, because I think that Lex and Ethan have had the strongest alliance all along. Kim was playing the Keith role - someone loyal that they dragged along to fill out their alliance, but who would be dumped at the very end. What I’m not completely sure about is who I think will win the final IC. I’m guessing that it will be some kind of endurance challenge. On one hand, Lex has shown the ability to dominate both physical and mental challenges. However, Ethan wants to win, badly, and he is very strong-willed. If the last IC is something like the Keep-Your-Hand-On-The-Idol from S1, then I think Ethan will win. This type of challenge requires not just physical endurance, but the sheer will to stay there as long as it takes, and Ethan has that will. Final Vote: Lex is called out. Ethan wins 6-1.
1) Kelly: Ethan. This one is easy. 2) Brandon: Ethan. This one is not so easy. It would appear Brandon might vote for Lex, since we know they developed that weird bond during the game. However, despite the fact that his strategy backfired, Brandon has been one of the few players that has shown the ability to separate his emotions from his game-playing. Even though Lex is his friend, he will vote for Ethan. Why? Ethan, at least from what we have seen, has not appeared to let emotion interfere with his thinking the way Lex has, to a certain degree. Brandon will respect this. 3) Frank: Ethan. This one is also a little iffy. I think Frank respects both Lex and Ethan. He said in his post-boot chat that he thought Ethan was playing the game the best up to that point, although I have seen people refer to other instances where he said he thought Lex was playing the best. The reason I think Frank will vote for Ethan is because of the switch. When Frank showed up at Boran, he went from hell to heaven. At Boran, people worked hard and had mutual respect for each other. I think Ethan would have stood out in particular because he was young, and yet still a stand-up guy - a sharp contrast with the young, lazy, do-nothings back at Samburu. There will be a strong association in Frank’s mind between Ethan and Frank’s newfound happiness at Boran, and Frank will vote for Ethan. (Okay, I know that’s a lame theory, but it’s the best I can come up with.) 4) Kim P.: Ethan. I think this one is pretty easy. We all know Kim is playing based on emotion, not strategy. She never showed any dislike for Lex, but there has never been any indication that she particularly liked him either. But in her post-show interviews, she gushed over Ethan. 5) Teresa: Lex. Seems like an easy one. She loves Lex as a person, and her votes for him at TC were always votes of respect - she thought he was both a strong competitor and a strong leader. 6) Tom: Ethan. Not sure about this one, but I think his “brotherly” relationship with Ethan will prevail, and there will still be lingering resentment over the Brandon issue. 7) Kim J.: Ethan. This one is really tough. I think Kim will vote for Ethan, even though I picked him as having voted her out in the last TC. I just think she has had a tighter bond during the game with Ethan than with Lex. Other than that, I can’t come up with any better reasons why she would vote for one over the other. Final vote 6-1 for Ethan. This would support the post-show comments a number of the players have made that they are pretty sure they know the winner.
The only thing that has me wondering if I’m wrong is that we still know so little about Ethan. Presumably the winner (or both of the final 2, if MB truly doesn’t know the winner) needs a fully developed story. However, as much as I hate to admit it, I am going to have to fall back on my own theory about editing, that Ethan was a little boring. MB can only work with what actually happened. We know that Ethan purposefully flew UTR, held back and didn’t reveal a lot about himself, both by his own admission, and by the comments from booted players. MB can’t control the voting, so if the winner was boring, there’s not much he can do about it. Therefore, the winner can in fact have an underdeveloped story if there never was much of a story to tell. (Good rationalization, huh?) diamond
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01-09-02, 01:58 PM (EST)
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38. "T/E/K/L" |
Tom, Ethan Kim J loses to Lex!I have strong feelings that Lex and Kim J are the final 2! I hope that ethan wins however.
"What a twisted web we weave when at first we practice to deceive"
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01-09-02, 02:22 PM (EST)
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39. "E/K/L/T" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-09-02 AT 04:59 PM (EST)Oh, HELL!!! I don't know! Bring on S4! Great job by all the summary writers this season! You made it better than the actual series!!
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01-09-02, 02:24 PM (EST)
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40. "K-E-L-T Well, the 1st thing you know ole Tomz a millionaire" |
kin folk said tom move away from here..
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01-09-02, 02:26 PM (EST)
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41. "K/T/L/E" |
Well you know there will be a twist, but this seems most logical. But at this point I was hoping Big Tom wins just because he is so honest and you know MB can not control him!
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01-09-02, 03:53 PM (EST)
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46. "Tom/KimJ/Ethan/Lex" |
Go Lex go!
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01-09-02, 04:00 PM (EST)
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47. "T/MK/L/E" |
Yes, a departure from my PTTE...go ahead, accuse me of hedging my bets.We'll start with some Bowie -- Ground control to Major Tom Ground control to Major Tom Time to take that walk, so put nasty boots on 4...3...2..1 Then move on to Queen -- Mama, life had just begun But now they've gone and thrown the dung away! Then a quick return to "Africa Side Story" -- Oh Lex is gonna get it tonight Too bad he thinks he'll win it tonight And a final recap by Queen -- Ethan's the champion, my friend Although Lex is fighting, til the end Ethan's the champion, Ethan's the champion Bye boma losers, 'cause Ethan's the champion... DK, I know your final summary will rock, you awesome Basher Babe you! And applause to all the summary writers who somehow made us laugh despite the material -- it is so much harder than it looks.
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01-09-02, 04:00 PM (EST)
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48. "T/K/L/E" |
I am changing my original PTTE order b/c I believe Lex will win the next immunity. Ethan will win a close vote over Lex.
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01-09-02, 05:12 PM (EST)
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49. "Vote Totals So Far..." |
LAST EDITED ON 01-10-02 AT 01:55 AM (EST)This is post #49, summarizing 44 votes. I have included two kinds of summaries -- first, by place voted: 4th place: Tom....20 KimJ....18 Lex......3 Ethan...3 3rd place: KimJ....22 Tom....13 Ethan...7 Lex......2 2nd place: Lex.....30 Ethan...7 Tom.....4 KimJ.....3 1st place: Ethan..27 Tom.....9 Lex......7 KimJ.....1 and second, by PTTE ("-" EQUALS NO VOTES): K/E/L/T....4 K/E/T/L....1 K/L/E/T....1 K/L/T/E....1 K/T/E/L....1 K/T/L/E...10 T/E/K/L....2 T/E/L/K....- T/L/K/E....- T/L/E/K....- T/K/L/E...15 T/K/E/L....3 L/E/K/T....- L/E/T/K....- L/K/E/T....1 L/K/T/E....1 L/T/E/K....- L/T/K/E....1 E/L/T/K....- E/L/K/T....- E/T/L/K....1 E/T/K/L....- E/K/L/T....1 E/K/T/L....1
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01-09-02, 05:30 PM (EST)
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50. "Lex, Kim, Ethan, TOM!" |
Great summary bebo! And I know DK's will rock next week!
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01-09-02, 05:34 PM (EST)
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51. "kim/ethan/tom/lex " |
seems the natural progression
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01-09-02, 05:37 PM (EST)
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52. "E/T/K/L...." |
I think Lex will win the first immunity, and will try to get Ethan off, since Ethan is the biggest threat. I think that the others will go along with Lex, for the simple fact that he has immunity, and it will save both of their asses for at least a little bit longer.For the second immunity, I have a feeling that Mama Kim will win, and she will be thinking of the million at this stage of the game, and will therefor take Lex with her, since in her eyes Tom would give her a worse shot at winning the million. I think Lex will win the vote 4-3. I think it is likely that Brandon, Ethan, Tom and possibly even Frank may vote for him, if for no other reason than because he played a good game(though I am not sure how good). I see a Richard type of repeat here, only with a much different person.
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01-09-02, 05:45 PM (EST)
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53. "Tom/Ethan/MKim/Lex" |
n/m
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01-09-02, 05:57 PM (EST)
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54. "Kim / Tom / Lex / Ethan" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-09-02 AT 06:02 PM (EST)Bebo: Thanks for your wonderful work on the summary! Not expecting many big surprises, but looking forward to the questions and comments from the jury... #4. Kim The L/E/T Alliance, established early on in the game, will hold together. Lex and Ethan are friends, Ethan and Tom “are like brothers”, Lex and Tom “swore on their sons”. No regrets. Teresa’s comments on SI reconfirmed the strength of the alliance. The last episode was edited to raise some questions about the alliance, but most of the issues were instigated by KimJ and Teresa who are obviously desperate. The Strategies Revealed Theory concludes that neither of KimJ’s attempts with Ethan or Lex will succeed. KimJ has never received any “Final 2 Editing”, but she did have a face time spike last week. And finally, yes she could beat Tom in the Fallen Comrade IC, but Lex and Ethan are both formidable opponents, and if either of them win, she’s gone first… #3. Tom
I believe that once the L/E/T Alliance reaches the Final 3, it expires…with “no regrets”. At that point who ever wins immunity determines the Final 2. Lex or Ethan will win immunity, and neither one will want to face the jury on “judgment day” going against Big Tommy. Lex confirmed this last episode when he was talking to Teresa… The Tom and Ethan photo, at Tom’s farm, indicates an apparent lack of betrayal, but there is no precedent for a “Final 2” meeting until after the finale. The Tom’s Sister spoiler is still unconfirmed, as far as I can tell, with the origins apparently being a “Tom makes the Final 4” comment, rather than a "Tom goes out #4"... So, have to read this spoiler as Tom making it to the Final 4, but not to the Final 2. Final 2: Lex vs Ethan
By a process of elimination, Lex and Ethan are the Final 2. Numerous spoilers, speculation and rumours support a Lex-Ethan Final 2… The CBS Poll Theory, “My Dad Won” spoiler, and Lex’s “Judgment Day” comment all indicate a Final 2 finish for Lex. In retrospect he has also been edited as a main character throughout the show, and many would say as “The Villan”. Little Kim’s comments are the only real spoiler indicating that Ethan makes the final 2. But the fact that Ethan has played the game well, has not received any votes, seems to have alliances with everyone left, and has the ability to win challenges, makes him a shoe in for the Final 2. The Survivor: Ethan
While the Lock-Box prevents anyone from knowing who won, several contestants have commented that they “know” who won. These comments suggest that, to them, their “appears” to be a clear winner. No one would be considered a clear winner against Ethan, (“Jesus”), who has gone “without sin”, but many would say that Ethan was a clear winner against Lex...who will probably have to take the "walk of shame" in the end. On Thursday…“Unresolved issues, new personal revelations, and some surprises are in store for the "Kenyan castaways" in the two-hour finale of SURVIVOR AFRICA. “ Their will be “some surprises”, but not many, because Lex’s “unresolved issues” will come back to haunt him… …and Ethan will become the Ultimate Survivor… Krautboy
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01-09-02, 06:17 PM (EST)
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55. "TOM / KIM / ETHAN / LEX" |
TOM / KIM / ETHAN / LEX
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01-09-02, 10:36 PM (EST)
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58. "E-K-L-T" |
I think Lex will win immunity each time. Ethan is biggest threat so he goes first. Lex and Tom have vowed not to vote for one another and Lex doesn't buy Teresa's tattling so MommaKim goes. Lex has more bad vibes on the jury. Tom is liked by all and managed to hang in there, almost UTR even though he had picked up votes early. I hope he wears a feather in his ass and says "Me Tarzan, you Jane" on the CBS morning show!
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01-09-02, 10:50 PM (EST)
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60. "Lex/Tom/Ethan/Kim J" |
Lex loses immunity cause it is the ?'s about the jury members, Tom= too likeable, Kim J beats Ethan in a shocker.
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01-09-02, 10:54 PM (EST)
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61. "Kim/Tom/Lex/Ethan" |
At this point, any other order would be a mild surprise. BUt anything's possible with this crew.
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01-09-02, 11:07 PM (EST)
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62. "ETHAN~KIM~TOM~LEX" |
Because we all know the bad guy's gonna win. We all know the fat guy's gonna hurl, we all know the old lady's gonna die, and we all know the soccer player's gonna score with her.
colostomy n : a surgical operation that creates an opening from the colon to the surface of the body to function as an anus
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01-10-02, 01:44 AM (EST)
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63. "Kim/Tom/Lex/Ethan" |
I hate this vote. I hate voting with the majority like this. I want to do something distinctive. But, with so little to go on, all I can do is follow the editing.What is unusual about the editing? One thing stands out. We know that EVERYONE who was in an alliance with Lex had to swear on a family member. So why show us ONLY Lex and Tom doing it unless there is some special significance to that promise? But how could there be a special significance? I see no reason to change my previous belief that Lex and Ethan are the closest alliance, moreso than Tom and Lex. Well, it could be significant in one way -- if Lex "pulls a Richard" in the second IC, confident that either Ethan or Tom will take him into the finals. Do I think that's what happens? I don't know. But, since I'm fresh out of other ideas, I like it. Thus, I'm changing my order. First, Thong Granny pays the price for not switching sides and goes 4th. Then Tom loses IC and Ethan has to boot him, so he ends up 3rd. Tom then votes for Lex, as does Teresa (who wants to initiate Lex into the Mile High Club herself). But Frank, Kelly, KimP, Brandon and KimJ all vote for Ethan, and he wins 5-2.
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01-10-02, 02:08 AM (EST)
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65. "Vote Totals So Far..." |
This is post #65, summarizing 59 votes. I have included two kinds of summaries -- first, by place voted:4th place: KimJ....24 Tom....22 Ethan...8 Lex......5 3rd place: KimJ....27 Tom....20 Ethan..10 Lex......2 2nd place: Lex.....38 Ethan..10 Tom.....6 KimJ.....5 1st place: Ethan..31 Tom....13 Lex.....12 KimJ.....3 and second, by PTTE ("-" EQUALS NO VOTES): K/E/L/T....5 K/E/T/L....2 K/L/E/T....1 K/L/T/E....1 K/T/E/L....1 K/T/L/E...14 T/E/K/L....3 T/E/L/K....- T/L/K/E....- T/L/E/K....- T/K/L/E...15 T/K/E/L....4 L/E/K/T....- L/E/T/K....- L/K/E/T....2 L/K/T/E....1 L/T/E/K....1 L/T/K/E....1 E/L/T/K....- E/L/K/T....- E/T/L/K....2 E/T/K/L....1 E/K/L/T....3 E/K/T/L....2
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01-10-02, 02:22 AM (EST)
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66. "T/K/E/L" |
Tom * Tom's sister (Lex probably has immunity, maybe Kim though) Kim * the way she's been edited (lesser player except during eps 5 and 6 where she worked hard to get all remaining Boran to the merge) Ethan * good guy, well liked, but reserved (juries favor those who can speak up for themselves) Lex * autistic son (sentamental tug on jurists, rehabilitated in final episode possibly on this factor)Bebo, all the other summary writers this season, fantastic wonderful BRAVO!!! (Dangerkitty is gonna just knock our socks off again with the final summ, You rock DK!) Sherps, Supes, Sleeeve, AyaK, Webby, IceCat: You were all fantastic this season, keeping on top of everything, this is the best site of all and you guys make it the best because you all are the best. Thank You! Everyone else, thanks for playing, it's been swell!
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01-10-02, 02:45 AM (EST)
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67. "Kim/Ethan/Tom/Lex" |
Okay... here's the way that my reasoning works, so try to follow me:-Lex is by far the most complex character this time. We know all about him, so he absolutely MUST be in the final two, either as the winner or the bad guy. -Kim is absolutely not in the final two, as one of the least complex characters of the entire series. -Lex's children thought he won... probably got the idea from Daddy (or at least overheard it). If there is a lockbox, this means that Lex was at least final two, and also may indicate that he faced someone that he believed that he could beat... Tom makes more sense in this role than Ethan. -If Tom and Lex make it to the final two, how did they get there? Answer: the alliance formed on day two was revealed to us will hold strong. Tom and Lex will remain true to each other. -Why does Kim finish fourth? It would be unwise for any of the males to save Kim because they would lose votes on the jury, and also risk her winning immunity. Lex especially won't risk this, because either Ethan or Tom would take him to the finals due to underlying alliances. Kim offers Lex no such guarantee (she appears to be closest with Ethan and might take him). -But what about Kim's finishing fourth comment? This will be clouded by Lex's apparent witch hunt aginst Tom, prompted by T-Bird's revelation that Tom conspired against him. His comments (as always) will be made to the camera and not to the contestants, and will thus have no direct bearing on game play. -Why reveal the Lex/Tom alliance? Lex and Tom are allied to the end. However, Tom's attempts to give Lex previous votes and Lex's apparent witch hunt will hide this alliance from view during the next episode. When one of these chooses the other in the final IC, the alliance will provide immediate justification for the decision (in addition to the obvious: They each stand a much better chance of winning without Ethan in the final two). -Between Lex and Tom, who will win? Lex has been edited as evil, but ultimately played the game the best, and will stick to his alliances to the end. Although his gut was wrong about Kelly, he will earn the respect of the audience (much like Rich did) as he explains himself to the jury. Tom, on the other hand, has been extremely non-PC, and yet MB allowed his comments to air, offending a portion of the audience. This is not the way that MB would edit a millionaire (and recall his interview-- he knows who won, and is editing accordingly). -But how can Lex win? With the exception of Kelly, no one on the jury has expressed true resentment toward Lex. Brandon, Tom, Kim J, and Ethan like him. Teresa, Kim P, and Frank respect his strategy (although they attempted to vote out the leader of the opposing tribe). While some of the above (Kim P!!!) may vote for Tom over Lex, Lex can still pull out a win. -Then why edit Lex as evil? To hide his dominance in the game. A likable person that continuously wins immunity and is in a powerful alliance has already been seen in S2 (Colby). MB had to build suspense by making it seem that Lex would be voted out if he ever lost immunity, and also had to hide Lex's strong position in the game. He has managed to uphold Lex's unliked personna by using comments about wanting to vote him out (that were strategically based), being tired of his continuous wins (as any competitor would be), and also using Kelly's hateful comments. -Why did Kelly hate Lex? My suspicion is that Lex was the only one that told her where to stuff it. You will notice that no one had many nice things to say about Kelly, and her profile fits Jerri's exactly. My suspicion is that MB didn't forget to cast a Jerri this season... he did, and her name was Kelly (whose best friend after the game is Silas-- someone that was never in a tribe or on the jury with her). Kelly had to be edited as likable so that the audience would buy her dislike of Lex, but no one liked her... Lex was just the one that told her so (or at least snubbed her). She took this personally, providing the comments to the camera necessary to plant the seeds of Lex-ful hate. (Even Clarence didn't have as much to say about Lex as Kelly when Clarence was voted out). -Note on editing: Ethan was barely featured until the merge. Tom and Lex, on the other hand, have always been central characters to the show. They are the only ones that have been edited to be in the final two. -An Ethan win is obvious to all of America. This is not the way it should be. In S1, Rich seemed like he could not win. In S2, it seemed that whoever won the final immunity (Colby or Tina) would take Keith to the finals, and would easily win. When this didn't happen, it left a truly suspenseful ending. -Surprise Finish: As mentioned above, surprise in S1 was created with a non-likable person winning, although Rich did nothign to hide his alliance. In S2, it was easily created because Tina and Colby hid their alliance, and thus people thought there were many false alliances in play (ie: Tina/Keith)... unfortunately for MB, S3 left him with a likable winner that was blatantly obvious about his allies. MB chose to edit him as unlikable to falsely re-introduce the element of surprise to the game (although T-Bird points out that it was obvious to her who would win the game). -That's my last official GUT of the season... and just in time for the vote thread.
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jayseae 68 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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01-10-02, 07:30 AM (EST)
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69. "Kim/Tom/Lex/Ethan" |
No reasoning this week. Just think that MammaKim is on the outside of the boys' club, so she'll be out first. Tom is the one you don't want against you in the final. Ethan takes Lex, and the million...
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Serendipity 525 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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01-10-02, 08:00 AM (EST)
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70. "Tom-Ethan-Kim-Lex" |
I think Lex will continue to win immunity, thus controlling the votes. I'm not sure Ethan knows how popular he is with the other players, but I think Lex knows.Really hope I'm wrong and that the final is Lex-Kim-Tom-Ethan though.
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cowboyroo 590 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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01-10-02, 09:02 AM (EST)
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71. "Lex, MamaKim, Tom, Ethan" |
I think the only chance MamaKim has for immunity is the long-lost Survivors quiz. I'm hoping this is at this point in the game. With MK winning immunity, I'd say Lex is easiest vote with the most votes.If Quiz is Number 4, no way MK can win immunity again unless they have a sewing immunity challenge or something, so MamaKim will go here leaving Tom and Ethan. Somebody Brandon was close to has to be left in the game because he said in his chats he went for who played the game best, not who he liked best. It seems the only two he formed relationships with were Lex and Tom, so I'm guessing only of the two of them is in the Final. Everyone agrees Ethan played the game well. So, I'm going with an Ethan win, and Tom 2nd. Ethan is being portrayed as Jesus as many have stated. So if there's a bible connection, no person for him to win against than the "goat" herder Tom. I think this Survivor is going to be anti-climatic thus Survivor 4 starting so shortly after. Draw them back in before the desire to watch dies. I think the anti-climatic nature of this one forced MB to start Survivor 4 so closely afterward.
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katem 3315 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity"
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01-10-02, 09:27 AM (EST)
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72. "T/L/K/E" |
Even though I have a very strong feeling in my gut (I tried to hold on on using this sort of joke until the end) that Lex won the game, I'm sticking with my decision that Ethan is the winner and that KimJ is second.I believe KimJ would be an easy victory for any of these guys. Tom is gone due to what happened in the last episode. I am starting to think Ethan loses to Lex because Ethan has been to guarded, to behind the scenes, a "blink and you missed him" sort of fellow. Lex has worked hard for his victory. He has made mistakes, sure, but nothing that would make him a super villain. In fact, I think only Kelly really dislikes him. Still, I'm staying with Ethan 'till the end. May MB have mercy on us all. All the summary writers on the board have made the season more interesting that it deserves. Also, I have never said this, but Bungler I am in awe of you, I bow to your vidcap powers.
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Swami 5885 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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01-10-02, 11:42 AM (EST)
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75. "MamaKim/Tom/Lex/Ethan" |
I think Lex has played the game the best, and I hope he wins. But logic says not. After his 'villain' winner in S1, and his stealth winner in S2, MB needs more popular winner and Ethan is the man.MamaKim is out because the L/E/T alliance holds, and it's an all male finale. L & T are true to their 'swore on our sons' oath, and Ethan wants to win against competition--not a woman as old as his mother is. In the final 3, the alliance ends and its every man for himself. If either Lex or Ethan win, Tom goes to the showers. Lex would vote him out because he thinks Tom would be his toughest competition, and because he has underestimated laid-back Ethan's popularity. Ethan votes out Tom because he sees Lex as the weakest defender. Ethan wins & Lex is second. Thank you Bebo and DK for past & future summaries!! Thank you to all posters for your insightful & entertaining contributions. It was great fun!!! Swami
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Kalsteau 20 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Got Milk? Spokesperson"
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01-10-02, 11:42 AM (EST)
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76. "Kim/Ethan/Lex/Tom" |
Nuff said
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travelingbetty 296 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star"
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01-10-02, 12:12 PM (EST)
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78. "T/MK/L/E" |
Tom goes first with the final four spoiler and after Lex wins first immunity. Ethan wins next immunity and takes Lex with him to the final two. Lex may get a vote or two, but no one can win against Brandon's version of Jesus.
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Rose Red 419 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Daytime Soap Guest Star"
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01-10-02, 12:25 PM (EST)
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79. " T/MK/L/E" |
Traveling Betty, ditto, kiddo. Tom's out. MK wants him gone. Lex is paranoid. Maybe he and MK vote him out. Not Ethan. I am so sure Lex wins at least the next immunity, and then well, who does Ethan feel more closely allied with? It might surprisingly be Lex.
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bondt007 3413 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Car Show Celebrity"
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01-10-02, 01:25 PM (EST)
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81. "K / E / L / T" |
... guess I'll stay with my PTTE
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katethegreat 207 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star"
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01-10-02, 02:15 PM (EST)
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83. "Tom / Mama Kim / Ethan / Lex" |
Based on spoilers and face time, I think it's Tom next. Only way I can figure that is if, perhaps, Tom and Lex vote against Mama Kim, and Ethan and Mama Kim vote against Tom - Tom loses in a tie-break. Then Lex wins immunity and takes Ethan to the final two with him. (Don't ask me why - I'm stretching at this point . . . ) How does Lex win? He gets four votes - Frank, Brandon, Tom and Theresa. They respect the way he played the game. Well, if this all pans out as stated, I will be amazed!
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AyaK 10426 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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01-10-02, 02:49 PM (EST)
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84. "Vote Totals So Far..." |
This is post #84, summarizing 77 votes. I have included two kinds of summaries -- first, by place voted: 4th place: Tom....32 KimJ....31 Ethan...8 Lex......63rd place: KimJ....36 Tom....24 Ethan..14 Lex......3 2nd place: Lex.....50 Ethan..12 Tom.....8 KimJ.....7 1st place: Ethan..43 Tom....15 Lex.....16 KimJ.....3 and second, by PTTE ("-" equals NO VOTES) -- note that 39 of 77 votes (about half) go to either T/K/L/E or K/T/L/E: K/E/L/T....7 K/E/T/L....3 K/L/E/T....1 K/L/T/E....1 K/T/E/L....1 K/T/L/E...18 T/E/K/L....4 T/E/L/K....- T/L/K/E....1 T/L/E/K....- T/K/L/E...21 T/K/E/L....6 L/E/K/T....- L/E/T/K....- L/K/E/T....2 L/K/T/E....2 L/T/E/K....1 L/T/K/E....1 E/L/T/K....- E/L/K/T....- E/T/L/K....2 E/T/K/L....1 E/K/L/T....3 E/K/T/L....2
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Outfrontgirl 6830 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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01-10-02, 02:55 PM (EST)
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85. "T/K/L/E" |
Lex ought to win as the most prominently edited, but I can't find the votes for him when I look at the jury.I find it hard to imagine an all-male Final 3. One of these guys has to go first, and Tom is most likely to lose out. Kim--Who? Word clue: T/(IC)K/L/E See it spells TICKLE if you put IC between Tom and Kim, which they won't get and stands between them making it farther. How's that for logic? I was wrong last year by voting my wishes (Colby over Tina) and I fully expect to be wrong again! With every mistake, we must surely be learning--George Harrison
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GuessItRains 700 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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01-10-02, 02:57 PM (EST)
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86. "Kim/Lex/Ethan/Tom" |
I want to pick an Ethan over Lex final, but since everybody in creation is doing that I've decided it's just too obvious. My final 2 premise starts from the belief that MB as in S2 did not know who won when he began editing the show. Possibly, he does not know to this day and there will be some sort of truly live vote opening (which may not work well if the vote is unanimous, etc.). Lex has been edited as a "bad guy" and strategically stupid for voting off Kelly. In reality everybody was part of it, but Ethan's role was not shown at all and Tom was shown as an extremely reluctant participant (and thus the smartest of the OB strategically on this point). Of the F4, I believe only Tom has clearly been edited "better than he is" just as Tina was. As soon as Tom makes what could be seen as his most offensive comments of the show, at the food auction, we get a lengthy discussion of how Tom doesn't mean any harm and he's very strategic. Tom's very first comment of E1 about "some blond girl leading us in the wilderness" could have been edited to be offensive, but instead it was used to show that Tom was right and Diane really was a nitwit. What this means is that I think Tom and Ethan are the Final 2. My gut says Ethan would win this, but my gut said Kelly would beat Richard and Tina would beat Colby, and Lex's gut never would have guessed Teresa voted against him. It's all in the editing, so I think MB will spring yet another surprise and Tom will emerge as the somewhat puzzling winner. I won't even begin to guess the jury breakdown on that one. Working back from the "No Regrets" title, Kim J has no regrets about not forming an all-female alliance and voting out the boys even though it means she finishes fourth. Lex has no regrets over any of his actions, even though they have managed to antagonize both Ethan and Tom and causes one of them to vote him out at the final TC although they would probably have a better chance of beating him. He played hard and fair and his original alliance was to go to the 3 and let the best man win. Therefore, he finishes third. I put no faith in tabloid spoilers that Lex's son thinks he wins. Linda said her kids thought she had won too. GIR
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rwj3eb 161 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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01-10-02, 03:25 PM (EST)
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88. "KIM/ETHAN/LEX/TOM" |
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heresy 94 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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01-10-02, 03:39 PM (EST)
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90. "Ethan / Tom / Lex / Kim J OR Tom / Kim / Lex / Ethan" |
Ethan is the only member of the final four not in the first three minutes of the first episode, and Kelly was shown saying the person who wanted to save the canned goods "won the prize". This also takes into account Theresa's comment that we would be surprised at the winner.Kim wins immunity. Ethan is booted out (Kim can't talk him into voting for Tom). Lex wins immunity and boots out Tom. (Tom wasn't in the final two spoiler). Kim wins the money, and America loses its lunch... If Ethan's absence from the first three minutes of the first episode was a "dog that didn't bark" spoiler (he said, kneeling in front of the altar with a candle burning): Kim wins immunity. Tom is booted out in a tiebreaker. Lex wins immunity and votes out Kim (what's she still doing here) Johnson. The jury gives the money to Ethan, America rejoices. Thanks to all of the summary writers for their summaries. They are definitely more interesting that what REALLY happened in Africa!!! Thanks to Webby and the board moderators for all of their hard work in maintaining this web site throughout the season, and to all of the spoilers who have really made Survivor interesting this season -- too bad the show itself wasn't all that interesting...
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Frau Hexe 716 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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01-10-02, 03:46 PM (EST)
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91. "Tom/Kim/Lex/Ethan" |
Thank you to Bebo for the delightful summary from last week, and kudos for getting it out so damn fast!Thank you in advance to dangerkitty for a kick-ass final ep. summary (that's right, pressure). And to everyone else who did summaries, wow, you all did an amazing job. You each had me laughing, crying, squeeling--all the things a good summary should do.
The only thing that makes life possible is permanent, intolerable uncertainty--not knowing what comes next." -Ursula Le Guin
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Amily 88 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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01-10-02, 04:28 PM (EST)
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93. "MK/E/L/T" |
Thanks to all summary writers - I've enjoyed them all this season and can't wait for S4!!!
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tackysue 31 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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01-10-02, 04:41 PM (EST)
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95. "T / E / K / L" |
Predictable and lame. I hope I'm totally wrong though.
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longtimelurker 5 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson"
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01-10-02, 04:49 PM (EST)
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98. "T/E/MK/L" |
My heart says Ethan all the way, but my GUT tells me Lex and Mama Kim are the tight alliance.
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Lisapooh 12664 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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01-10-02, 05:01 PM (EST)
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99. "Kim / Tom / Lex / Ethan" |
Thanks Ice for the new sig pic! Thanks bebo for the excellent summary! Thanks in advance DK cause I know your summary will be as awesome as you are! Thanks to all the summary writers & spoilers for all your hard work & time. Thanks webby and the mods for making this my favorite workplace diversion. Thanks to the basher babes - you know who you are! And Sherps .. om mane padme pooh which of course means "Thanks" in flash fiction. See OT for the rest of my acceptance speech. Hope everyone sticks around for the off season - it'll be rowdy - we promise! See you at the Blowies!!! the great entity of the thread
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dangerkitty 1913 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Herbal Healing Drugs Endorser"
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01-10-02, 05:06 PM (EST)
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100. "K / T / L / E" |
I guess this is the majority opinion - but it's my opinion too, dammit! I could easily go with the Tom #4 argument, but that LET alliance has been so strong and I just don't see them breaking up now. MK has always been fourth.I also can really see Lex winning - but I would rather Ethan win, so that's what I'm picking. I have not cared for Lex, but he has played a helluva game so I would have to feel okay about him winning if that's the case. And if he does, I suspect that a lot will take place in the episode to make us all feel better about that, anyway. Bebo, your summary was absolutely fantastic - why, it was Bebo-licious! All the summaries were hilarious and a treat to read every week. And psssst DK, your finale summary better not suck. (oh the pressure!) dangerkitty
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snoocharoo 1 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "American Cancer Society Spokesperson"
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01-10-02, 05:29 PM (EST)
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101. "I forgot this..." |
I just wanted to tell all of you intelligent, insightful, witty and humorous people on this board Thank You for a great season of spoilage!!! Being a newbie here you all never made me feel stupid or out of line when expressing and opinion (unlike other spolier sites which shall remain nameless). Keep up the great work!!!!
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MakeItStop 1098 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"
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01-10-02, 05:45 PM (EST)
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103. "Tom/Mama/Lex/Ethan" |
Thanks EVERYONE for the summaries!
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SurvivorBlows 15230 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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01-10-02, 05:52 PM (EST)
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104. "LEX/TOM/KIM/ETHAN" |
Yes, it is the same as my PTTE from a couple of weeks ago. Teresa's Advocate article from this afternoon has only further reinforced my opinion that Ethan wins it. And if not, well, Kim being the other member of the Final Two also supports her quote.Anyways, for the full wacky details see: http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/2139.shtml# Btw, I can't help but notice my picks this week are the same as those the PTTE picks of myself, Ice, and shakes before Ep 12. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing... as of yet neither has posted their final posts so I don't know if they are still holding to those. Happy safari hunting everyone! -SB
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AyaK 10426 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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01-10-02, 05:56 PM (EST)
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105. "Vote Totals So Far..." |
LAST EDITED ON 01-10-02 AT 05:58 PM (EST)This is post #105, summarizing 96 votes. I have included two kinds of summaries -- first, by place voted: 4th place: Tom....43 KimJ....37 Ethan...9 Lex......7 3rd place: KimJ....41 Tom....29 Ethan..21 Lex......5 2nd place: Lex.....61 KimJ....14 Ethan..13 Tom.....8 1st place: Ethan..53 Lex.....21 Tom....18 KimJ.....4 and second, by PTTE ("-" equals NO VOTES) -- note that 47 of 95 votes (about half) go to either T/K/L/E or K/T/L/E: K/E/L/T....9 K/E/T/L....3 K/L/E/T....2 K/L/T/E....1 K/T/E/L....1 K/T/L/E...21 T/E/K/L....9 T/E/L/K....- T/L/K/E....2 T/L/E/K....- T/K/L/E...26 T/K/E/L....6 L/E/K/T....- L/E/T/K....- L/K/E/T....2 L/K/T/E....2 L/T/E/K....1 L/T/K/E....2 E/L/T/K....- E/L/K/T....- E/T/L/K....3 E/T/K/L....1 E/K/L/T....3 E/K/T/L....2
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IceCat 17415 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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01-10-02, 06:21 PM (EST)
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106. "L/T/K/E" |
All alliances and oaths are off! It's the final four for freakin sake! There is no way that both Ethan and lex are going to final three. They will each ensure the other is voted off if either of them win immunity.Ethan is due for a win... I'm not so sure that Ethan hasn't been playing a little possum on the ICs recently. Avoiding the curse of the 'challenge hog'. Ethan has a better relationship with both Kim and Tom as well. If anybody but Lex wins the first immunity tonight, Lex is gone first and it's an Ethan, Tom, Kim final three. Ethan is a pretty good bet to win any type of challenge against Tom and Kim. Ethan will win the second immunity of the night and will ask Tom for his understanding and forgiveness and will take KimJ to the final simply because she has been obviously quite useless as a player. Tom will say 'I gots no ruh-grets'... Ethan will win the final vote as the jury will recognize his IC wins, his ability to stay under the radar, and his ability to forge good relationships with a broad spectrum of his fellow contestants. Ethan takes the money!
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idiotcowboy 1135 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"
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01-10-02, 07:06 PM (EST)
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107. "Lex-Kim-Tom-Ethan" |
Lex has been the story, but he's IC run is over and when he looses the IC K-T-E take him down.Kim then is a victim of a being the outsider and always being the outsider, with a little bit of fear of a Tina upset to boot. Which leave us with a Ethan-Tom final that goes something like 5-2 Ethan despite the fact Tom thinks he takes the prize. -ICB
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FFantasyFX 1028 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"
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01-10-02, 07:54 PM (EST)
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110. "Tom/MamaKim/Lex/Ethan" |
Heh . . . right at the last minute.
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01-10-02, 08:09 PM (EST)
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111. "Tom/Kim/Lex/Ethan" |
Going with the flow... ____________________
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01-10-02, 09:00 PM (EST)
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112. "FINAL Vote Totals" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-10-02 AT 09:01 PM (EST)This is post #112, summarizing 102 votes. I have included two kinds of summaries -- first, by place voted: 4th place: Tom....46 KimJ....38 Ethan...9 Lex......9 3rd place: KimJ....45 Tom....31 Ethan..21 Lex......5 2nd place: Lex.....64 KimJ....15 Ethan..13 Tom.....10 1st place: Ethan..58 Lex.....22 Tom....18 KimJ.....4 ...meaning that our overall approximate boot order is Tom/Kim/Lex/Ethan and second, by PTTE ("-" equals NO VOTES) -- note that 50 of 102 votes (just under half) go to either T/K/L/E or K/T/L/E (believing a final matchup of Lex and Ethan in the finals): K/E/L/T....9 K/E/T/L....3 K/L/E/T....2 K/L/T/E....1 K/T/E/L....2 K/T/L/E...21 T/E/K/L....9 T/E/L/K....- T/L/K/E....2 T/L/E/K....- T/K/L/E...29 T/K/E/L....6 L/E/K/T....- L/E/T/K....- L/K/E/T....2 L/K/T/E....3 L/T/E/K....1 L/T/K/E....3 E/L/T/K....- E/L/K/T....- E/T/L/K....3 E/T/K/L....1 E/K/L/T....3 E/K/T/L....2 Thanks for the great season... but stick around for an exciting announcement about SurvivorBlows' own official award show... and hop on over to our Off Topic forum for some off season contests, games, and fun!!! The spoiling for Survivor Four has already begun!!! Less than seven weeks until the premeire, and counting...
You never know what might be up my sleeeve...
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AyaK 10426 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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01-10-02, 10:42 PM (EST)
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113. "Congratulations to..." |
katemand to our very own bride-to-be Tinkerbell who were the ONLY TWO to predict the exact finishing order of the Final Four! And congratulations to all of us (yes, even me) who correctly predicted the winner. It's been fun having you all here for Survivor:Africa. Please stick around, because during the next week, we'll be nominating contestants and great moments from reality shows that aired in 2001 for the 2002 Blowies ... and then we'll have a secret ballot among the nominees ... and then, as soon as the Olympics are over, Survivor 4 launches (Feb. 28)!
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