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"america has gone crazy in a "huge" way"
ruben hater 20 desperate attention whore postings
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05-07-03, 06:18 PM (EST)
 
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"america has gone crazy in a "huge" way" |
I am here to say a couple of things if you guys like it or not.
This is an american idol contest and I am sick of hearing people give that huge, no talented reject Ruben get praise for nothing. The way he was pounding his chest the other day got me worried he was going to give himself a heart attack because of his weight problem. Dont get me wrong I have nothing agaisnt big people, but I mean nobody wants to see a guy or women for that matter become a star in the music world who looks like that. I mean its a disgrace if america votes for a man who weighs 1000 pounds to be the winner of this contest. Give it to josh or clay I can deal with that but ruben or kim lock please. I dont care what you say to make in the music world you have to have the "look" as well and these people kim, ruben, dont have the look. Dont tell me its about talent cuz for there genere its the looks and then the talent and they are not pretty to look at. I am shocked that america has voted for these people, but I guess I shouldnt be knowing that 60% of america is overweight which is a disgrace in its self.
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05-07-03, 08:05 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: america has gone crazy in a "huge" way" |
We all know you like an overall big package, Femme.... that's why I'm your favorite! ( ^o- wink -o^ )
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ruben hater 20 desperate attention whore postings
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05-07-03, 08:06 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: america has gone crazy in a "huge" way" |
I do agree with josh being a little heavy but there is a difference between a pick up truck and a full sized diesel if you know what I mean. I feel that Christina has the body of what the ideal women should be like. I dont think she is a skelotor type at all she has big hips and curvy thighs but I do vote based on overall package as well its just that looks go into that as well, and as clay goes he is thin and yes he has big ears but he hides it well with his hair and I feel that he has the most talent anywayz and I can put up with the ears its something that he cant do about it but something can be done about the weight, I mean it is a heath issue and to promote somebody who has a problem like that is not sending a good message. Thats just my 10 cents but I do hope you enjoy the show.
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05-08-03, 12:25 PM (EST)
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22. "RE: america has gone crazy in a "huge" way" |
I can certainly understand that Reuben has some health issues going with his weight, but I think you're a bit out on a limb saying that Kim is "at risk" health-wise. She's probably not....society sets a tremendous importance upon being a size 2, with five percent body fat, particularly for women. Believe me, I teach eighth grade, and getting yet another note from guidance saying that "little so and so has been purging again, please keep an eye on her" is nothing new. Exactly how healthy is THAT??? Kim is about my size, probably. I've gained around 17 pounds in the past five years, mainly because I had two children after the age of 40. I've discussed it repeatedly with my doctor, and he's convinced me that I don't HAVE to be a size 8 again to be healthy. I'm well WITHIN the weight I need to be to stay healthy,as long as I exercise and and stay active. Believe me, with a five year old and an infant, that's not hard to do. Kim seems to me to be an active, healthy, young lady. Her weight ISN'T a health issue, but THANK YOU SO MUCH, ruben hater, for your concern for America's health.
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05-08-03, 01:17 PM (EST)
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LAST EDITED ON 05-08-03 AT 01:18 PM (EST)Kim is about my size, probably. I've gained around 17 pounds in the past five years, mainly because I had two children after the age of 40. I've discussed it repeatedly with my doctor, and he's convinced me that I don't HAVE to be a size 8 again to be healthy. I'm well WITHIN the weight I need to be to stay healthy,as long as I exercise and and stay active. Believe me, if you're about Kim Locke's size, you're completely normal! One of our clients where I work is a big cosmetics company, so we're constantly doing research on what the average woman weighs vs. what America's perception, based on the media, is of what they think the average woman weighs. It should interest you to know that the average American woman is a size 12. And that's not because American's have an obesity problem (I think there *is* a trend towards obesity in this country, but within the context of this reply, I'm talking about two very different things) - that's just because of the body type of a normal, healthy woman. So you're fine - you're doctor is right, skinny doesn't mean healthy, or even attractive, necessarily. The industry I work in is considered a "glamour" industry (we're in NYC). I'm surrounded by these girls in my office who are starving themselves so they can say they fit in a size 0 or a size 2. They're not happy people, believe me. They're cranky, snappish and self-centered, because they've starved themselves to fit into the latest fashions and it's all they can think about. And I'd venture to guess they're not very healthy. I'm a size 8, and I'm pretty much what would be considered a "big fat cow" around here. Not that I care - I'm at least enjoying what I eat and not worrying about if my butt's a little bigger than my average co-worker's. As for Kim, she isn't even near what I would consider "obese" - she's chunky, but what of it? She looks healthy enough to me, and believe it or not, she fits in with most of America.  
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05-07-03, 09:57 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: america has gone crazy in a "huge" way" |
Frankly, if Ruben or Kimberely Locke wins, I would be shocked if they make him a Pop Idol. I think they will turn him into R&B or maybe even hip hop.It will be the ultimate test of the Pop Industry if Ruben wins. Pop Singers just aren't overweight and mostly attractive. I would guess that if you took a demographic of Ruben fans, they would be older, and they will cater to that market. I just can't see him singing bubblegum pop like Kelly is singing. However, America can vote however they wants. The majority of America is overweight and more people are becoming obese every year. It clearly runs in his family, and if he is ok with it, why shouldn't you be? And I'd guess that more women are closer to Kimberley Locke's weight than Christina Aguilera's. (That said, I am more appalled at Josh's apparent weight, mainly considering his occupation.)
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05-07-03, 10:08 PM (EST)
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LAST EDITED ON 05-07-03 AT 10:10 PM (EST)Just as it has been said, I don't think weight is a problem with anybody other than the person whose weight is being questioned. Even if Ruben was living healthy and exercising 12 hours a day and eating absolutely nothing, do you really think he would lose a lot of weight? NO, it's in his genes, and he has a big frame for a big body. Being the "big guy" is just his calling in life. Josh was a little overweight to be a top Marine, but that's not our problem, plenty of people found it acceptable enough to vote for him. Kim Locke is a little overweight, but is anybody upset? It's just their frames and how their gene pools are. Clay has the skinny geeky gene pool, so he's a skinny gooky looking guy. Anyway....I think Ruben has a talented voice for his genre. Remember, this show is not called "Pop Idol" as it was in Britain. This is "American Idol", and the winner really isn't specified a genre according to the title of the show. Although I think Clay is a shoe-in to win, what is everybody's sudden problem with Ruben? He's a Luther Vandross R&B voice, please let him sing what is comfortable for him to sing...I'd hate to see one of us up there trying to duplicate what he does week after week. 
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05-07-03, 10:28 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: america has gone crazy in a "huge" way" |
I used to be a Christina Aguilera fan, when she focused on singing. But now that she just whores herself out in her videos and has chosen to be a diva slut instead of a singer, I have gotten bored, bored, bored with her.The little pop bimbos that some people try to hold up as ideals are unhealthy too. Being underweight also holds significant health risks. Some people who are overweight are quite active and are actually at a lower health risk than sedentary people in the normal weight range. Which is the better standard to hold out there for fans to emulate - emaciated or obese? The real answer is neither of the above, but that's unrealistic at this point. Instead, a positive message could be sent that people can be judged on ability rather than appearance. Moving away from that shallow approach would do more to promote health than banning all people with an above normal BMI from being in the public eye. That sort of approach would allow youngsters to develop a positive self-image instead of being lured by an unrealistic standard that can lead to body loathing and eating disorders. So we've gotten to the final 3 of a performing contest, and the viewers have said loud and clear that they prefer talent to a perfect package. I, for one, could not be happier. I don't think it's condoning obesity. I think it's demanding substance instead of just another pretty face. Telling record producers that the American public wants to hear more types of music than the pop music industry is currently delivering is a win for everyone, since it means we may get more choices in the future. They may be willing to give the public someone who doesn't fit their formula but has talent nonetheless.  Bebo says...919 beats 205 - I am your American Idol and the Baroness of Babedom.
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PrettyInPink 85 desperate attention whore postings
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05-08-03, 06:39 AM (EST)
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19. "RE: america has gone crazy in a "huge" way" |
This year, we're clearly getting talent over "the pretty package" with our final three, and I'm thrilled. I'm tired of seeing these pretty little perfect people who can't sing a whit.Am I a Ruben fan? No way. I think he has a lovely voice, but he's not changed it up once within this competition. He's on the Luther Vandross Rollercoaster, and he's not givin' up his seat. Does his weight figure into it? No, not at all. He could weigh 100 lbs. or 500 and he still needs to take risks with what he sings. Of course, I'm no angel - I've taken a couple of pot-shots at the big man for his weight. Probably alot of us here have. But I wouldn't say that Ruben and Kim Locke shouldn't be on our TVs because of their weight. They should be judged on what this contest is about - singing. And to put Kim in the same category as Ruben is an insult to her - she's miles ahead of him, talent-wise, and she takes her risks where she needs to. If you want to make this contest a weigh-in, then my baby Clay is pretty underweight - there. Happy? Some of the most attractive "singers" on the charts now are some of the most wretchedly untalented. We had that last year. Hell, we had it this year with Carmen and some of the other girls in the wildcard show. I'm not a Ruben fan, but clearly people are not turning off their TVs in disgust over his weight. He's in the top three for a reason - because people want to hear his voice, not gawk at how much he weighs.
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05-08-03, 02:45 PM (EST)
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27. "RE: america has gone crazy in a "huge" way" |
Me too, L8.
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05-08-03, 02:12 PM (EST)
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26. "RE: america has gone crazy in a "huge" way" |
Dont get me wrong I have nothing agaisnt big people, but I mean nobody wants to see a guy or women for that matter become a star in the music world who looks like that. I mean its a disgrace if america votes for a man who weighs 1000 pounds to be the winner of this contest. Oh, I'm so sorry. I didn't realize that American Idol was a beauty contest. I had originally thought that it was a talent contest with the prize being a recording contract, but I guess I must have been mistaken. For me, it is a lot of fun to "bash" each of the contestants. Their appearance doesn't affect who I ultimately vote for, but it does amuse me to critique the appearance of each contestant. There is so much material to work with. As I look at the final 12 contestents this year, I don't think there were any women that I wished I looked like and no men I thought were hot either. I did, however, see a lot of people who could sing better than me. I don't think that's what this contest is about--totally attractive talented people have probably already been signed automatically. You are free to disagree, of course. My personal opinion re: Christina Aguilera for what it's worth--she has a great metabolism. (I know one of her personal chefs) I wouldn't consider her diet the model of good health, and her the perfect image of what a woman should look like. Although I am personally a size 2, I think there is a wide range of acceptable weight for people. I don't think Calista Flockhart is too skinny and I don't think Camryn Mainheim is too fat. I think the important thing is to be healthy--and I think Kim Locke, Josh Gracin and Clay Aiken look healthy. I worry a little bit about Ruben, but for him personally, and if I thought he was the best singer, I wouldn't hesitate to vote for him.
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05-08-03, 03:44 PM (EST)
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28. "RE: america has gone crazy in a "huge" way" |
If anything, I think it is about time that we have people like Rueben who aren't perfect and let the children that know that you don't have to be rail thin and picture perfect to succeed in life. Too often, those who aren't perfect give up because they feel they will never be the person they perceive society thinks they need to be.
As far as being a health issue, yes it can be that but that is Rueben's problem to work thru. The message I see is that he had the courage to go against the "norms" you are saying we should have in society and going for something that he really, really wants. I applaud him for that. He hasn't let the stereotypes stop him. 
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05-09-03, 04:15 AM (EST)
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29. "RE: america has gone crazy in a "huge" way" |
I have to add my $.02 to this one. I agree with what most have said about the type of role models we'd like to see young people have. As others have stated, I would much rather have kids, especially my niece, look up to a role model who does not fit into the anorexic-looking/fake boobs/no self-respect etc. mold. Kimberly and Ruben exude respect for themselves and others, from what little I have seen. It is really going to be interesting to see who the next AI will be.On a side note about the music industry: I had a friend who was lead singer of a band that was just going national. He had gained some weight over the years, but by no means was obese. He also liked to wear a cowboy hat when he sang, even though their music was more on the "alternative" side. He was told by the music bigwigs that until he lost weight and his hat, they would not further promote them i.e. no videos on MTV. He ended up leaving, he hated how the fashion industry had permeated the music industry. He just loves to play music. He actually ended up losing alot of weight due to a gall bladder problem, and has moved on to playing great gigs in CA with his sister. Mon 
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05-09-03, 02:43 PM (EST)
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That discrimination!!. Yes, I know he weights a lot. But, I have a strong feeling if he were to win or come in second in the competition.. the firt thing that the producers or the record label will do is talk with him and put his some kind of diet. Rueben knows that being an American Idol requires many guest shots, etc. He has a lot of talent and a beautiful voice. With that weight gone he will have a lot of sex appeal.
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