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"Weight Loss Theory"
Krautboy 2750 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest"
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08-29-01, 04:12 PM (EST)
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"Weight Loss Theory" |
The Weight Loss Theory proved to be very reliable last season. All those individuals who were reported to have had "significant weight loss",(25-35lbs)stayed in the game past the merge. The list included Colby, Rodger, Nick, Keith, Amber; don't remember who else, but it was 100% accurate.This season, thanks to Noitall30, we have the list of contestants just as they have come back from Africa, before they have too much time to regain lost weight. We are also well on our way to knowing their hometowns, thanks to the efforts of many, and have a great opportunity to gather weight loss information and verify it with photographic evidence from local papers, neighbors, etc. So, I hope we can use this thread for that kind of information. The discussion has already begun under the contestant threads for "Big Tom" Buchannon, reported to have lost 65lbs and Lindsey Richter, who has been photographed since her return(bandana/cornrows) without any apparent weight loss. Preliminary conclusions: Lindsey Richter gets the boot premerger. "Big Tom" goes far... Krautboy
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AyatollahKhomeini 2008 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Roller Coaster Inaugurator"
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08-29-01, 04:16 PM (EST)
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1. "Exactly right, Krautboy" |
...meaning that pictures of or contact with the current acquaintances of any of these people would be invaluable -- although we don't really want to become stalkers.
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SurvivorBlows 15230 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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08-29-01, 04:52 PM (EST)
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2. "Yes, please, no stalking..." |
I had a conversation with sleeeve about this last night, and I'm just going to post my feelings on the topic here.I just want to be clear that "SurvivorBlows.com" or myself is not advocating or supporting the "stalking," phoning, or harassment OF ANY KIND for these people. These are normal people, and in our efforts to have some fun, let's not take it to such extremes that we become the "paparazzi" (or worse) that everyone hates. Driving by the home address on the off chance they are outside is fine -- parking the car outside the house for an hour or two, is, IMHO -- a bit over the line. Walking up and knocking on the door would also be a no-no in my book. If they work in a job that involves dealing with the public (bartender, whatever), then it's fine to patronize their workplace, but if anyone is going to try these things, please try and keep it reasonable... Btw, the above ESPECIALLY applies to the "unclear" candidates. Already we've had a couple of folks -- who turned out to NOT be contestants -- start to get harassed and have their livelyhood effected because of not so much the irresponsible actions of the spoiling communities, but instead primarily as a result of the tendency of a number of print media sources to take something that appears on a website as a rumor and confusingly represent it as FACT in their publications. I understand that some actions have been taken to correct this, but it's something I'm just asking that folks keep in mind when posting information. -SB
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PepeLePew13 26134 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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08-30-01, 01:02 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Weight Loss Theory" |
Assuming it's true that Big Tom lost about 65 lbs, it's a given he goes far, maybe even to the final episode. Lindsey... in my mind, the jury's still out because weight loss can vary wildly from person to person. Sue looked exactly the same from start to end over 13 weeks in S1, while someone like Elisabeth (whom I would have guessed wouldn't show much of a weight loss) did show a tremendous loss. I'm a pretty athletic guy and I've been known to lose 7-8 pounds simply from playing golf which isn't exactly an over-exertive sport, while I have friends who are bigger than I am but wouldn't lose as much. I do agree, however, with Lindsey's apparent lack of intelligence combined with a lack of weight loss shown, it strongly indicates an early boot. Also agree with the call to avoid any stalking! There are plenty of ways to dig up information on a contestant than to try to break in pretending to be a plumber or something like that... "Permit me to introduce myself. I am Pepe Le Pew, your lover."
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SurvivorBlows 15230 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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08-30-01, 01:32 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Weight Loss Theory" |
>Assuming it's true that Big Tom >lost about 65 lbs, it's >a given he goes far, >maybe even to the final >episode. Lindsey... in my Regardless of whether he loses 65 pounds -- or say the report is a bit off and it's only 40 pounds -- I think that he definitely makes the merger. If it's truly 65 pounds, then yes, I'd say a Final Four appearance is likely (I know metabolism is a part of it, but remember metabolism's also adjust during the course of 39 days, so if he loses that much weight, I thing he has to be there for a damn significant stretch of time.) >mind, the jury's still out >because weight loss can vary >wildly from person to person. > Sue looked exactly the >same from start to end >over 13 weeks in S1, >while someone like Elisabeth (whom >I would have guessed wouldn't >show much of a weight >loss) did show a tremendous >loss. Exactly... though we haven't seem much of the converse (someone lasting a short time but losing lots of weight) -- except maybe Dirk??? >I do agree, however, with Lindsey's >apparent lack of intelligence combined >with a lack of weight >loss shown, it strongly indicates >an early boot. Yep, Lindsey isn't looking too good right now (I could make a blonde joke here, but I tried to stop doing things like that a few years ago), but hey... we'll have to see. But no, the cornrows and the bandana on the head the first day back in the States -- and a photo that ran on every wire service in the country -- must have had CBS and MB fuming.
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moonbaby 17120 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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08-30-01, 03:54 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Linz" |
Clarice better watch out for Hannibal.
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mistofleas 8043 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-10-01, 04:14 PM (EST)
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14. "What about this...?" |
LAST EDITED ON 09-10-01 AT 04:16 PM (EST)This kinda popped into my brain when I was reading what Aya posted about Lindsey: Aya said: <<<<<<Oh, do you really think MB would be mad at her? Just because she sent out an e-mail to all of her friends telling them that she'd be traveling for the summer -- after they already knew she made the final 50 in the S3 auditions? And because the fact that SHE was known to be in the show enabled someone who found a link between her and a suspected contestant to put together the entire contestant list? That wouldn't tick MB off, would it?>>>>> My thought is this, could Lindsey herself be the ultimate red herring? She has done all sorts of stupid things that would normally be something that MB may start suing her about (or at least warrant a firm spanking) We know that they held some last minutes auditions, maybe MB in his weird, twisted little brain decided that he was going to find one person to take with them to Africa to throw people off (or perhaps even 2 thus the 18 castaways idea) She hasn't really lost weight. Cornrows? Bandana? Sending out a mass email? In my mind this is pretty darned suspect. I don't know about you guys, but I'm a wunderin' big time. mistofleas --knows she's not a spoiler, but just can't help herself
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Krautboy 2750 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest"
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08-31-01, 01:23 AM (EST)
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9. "We need "after" pictures..." |
LAST EDITED ON 09-05-01 AT 11:21 AM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 08-31-01 AT 02:36 AM (EST) We have "before" pictures starting to come in... Carl:
"Jessie":
"Kelly"
"Ethan"
...now all we need are some "after" pictures so that we can estimate weight loss. Krautboy
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diamond 2307 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Seventeen Magazine Model"
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09-10-01, 10:05 AM (EST)
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12. "RE: We need "after" pictures..." |
LAST EDITED ON 09-10-01 AT 10:09 AM (EST)I hope this doesn't come off as too negative, but keep in mind that the "before" photos we have may not necessarily be an accurate measure of what these people weighed before they went to Africa. For instance, were those photos of Carl and Jessie from the newspaper article take specificaly for the article, or were they older photos? That photo of Ethan, since it came from a high school yearbook, is likely almost ten years old. Weights can fluctuate significantly in even short periods of time. Plus, haven't some Survivor contestants (e.g., Jeff Varner) in the past deliberately put on weight right before going on the show in anticipation of the weight loss they assumed would happen? The before photos we have would not reflect this. Anyway, just something to think about. diamond "So typical, a battle of wits, and I've come half prepared." - The Trashcan Sinatras
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SurvivorBlows 15230 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-10-01, 12:18 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: We need "after" pictures..." |
Exactly the same point I was going to make diamond... For starters, I believe the above Carl photo is a file photo from the "magnet" story that his local paper did on him a couple of years ago. I am uncertain of the original source for the Jessie photo that they published. Can anyone tell which police uniform that is? (didn't she work for two different towns forces before going on Survivor?) Kelly's images obviously look like they were taken by a little web camera thing -- something like the Connectix things that were so popular a couple of years ago or one of those X10 camera's we all see an every popup. Based on the settings, etc. my guess would be that they were from her years at Duke -- but beyond that who knows. Personally I don't see Kelly (or probably 90% of the rest of the women out there) intentionally packing on the pounds before going on S3 (imagine the bikini horror!) but for some of the guys (Tom, Frank, Lex, Carl) I can certainly envision that occurring. ...for the more "hardbody" guys -- or at least the ones that are looking like they'll be the "hardbody" guys -- like Ethan, Clarance, and Silas, I also don't see them bulking up before the show. They care enough about their looks to keep in great shape in their normal life so I doubt they are going to take the "risk" that, should they get voted out in Episode 3, the only image the public has of them is as these "overweight" (in their own minds) specimens. ...particularly Silas, who was ALREADY pursuing a Hollywood career before getting on the show.
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dangerkitty 1913 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Herbal Healing Drugs Endorser"
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09-26-01, 11:18 PM (EST)
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17. "Fattening up..." |
New article that specifically addresses the weight issue: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20010925/re/leisure_survivor_dc_1.htmlThe pertinent lines: Hot bodies are out and carbohydrates are in on the next edition of CBS's smash reality series ``Survivor. Unlike the second ``Survivor'' that featured a younger cast chock full of beautiful bods, the new cast is a more motley crew whose members cover a wider range of ages and are even endowed with the once unthinkable: body fat. Among the 16 contestants on ``Survivor: Africa,'' two are ''tubby guys,'' said Joe Rhodes, a TV Guide reporter who spent a few days in July on the set with the crew. One of the two tubby fellows, Tom Buchanan, is a 46 year old goat farmer from Virginia. The other, Carl Bilancione, is a 46-year-old dentist from Florida. One of the two tubby fellows, Tom Buchanan, is a 46 year old goat farmer from Virginia. The other, Carl Bilancione, is a 46-year-old dentist from Florida. ``The first cast was interesting, and the second was more eye candy -- many people thought they were boring,'' said Rhodes, whose stories on the new show will appear in next week's issue of TV Guide. ``The third cast is a combination.'' In fact, the third group may be more well rounded -- literally -- on purpose on the advice of the ``Survivor'' show doctor who told people to fatten up in advance, Rhodes said. ``All the people got so thin last year that these people were advised they should carbo load,'' he said. ``The calorie intake is 200 to 500 calories a day once the show starts.'' The food situation -- already bad in the first two shows -- will be even worse in the third show because no hunting is allowed on the game reserve where the action is set. ``There will be no wandering piglets this year,'' Rhodes said, in a reference to a graphic and controversial sequence in the second ``Survivor'' where contestants hunted down and killed a wild pig. And some bonus text - looks like their will be more "Smelli Kimmi"s this time around: Rhodes said this year's crew also will likely be much smellier than past ones due to limited washing opportunities. The one major river accessible to the cast is infested with crocodiles, while a nearby spring contains numerous parasites. ``They're going to be hotter, they're going to be hungrier and they're going to be stinkier,'' Rhodes said. dangerkitty
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Krautboy 2750 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Howard Stern Show Guest"
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09-10-01, 02:28 AM (EST)
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10. "Carl is now "considerably thinner..."" |
Here's a report from GatorGrrrrl, who was a patient of Carl Bilancione since he came back from Kenya. The report describes Carl's weight as "considerably thinner". Since he was a marathoner and in good shape before he left, this is probably a good indication that he is a good candidate for making it to the merger. We could use more specifics. Anyone need dental work? ----------------------------------------------------------------- GatorGrrrrrl Member 26 posts 08-28-01, 02:11 PM (PST) 20. "RE: Carl Bilancione" In response to message #0 LAST EDITED ON 08-28-01 AT 02:13 PM (PST) Anyone waiting to hear from me today ?? LOL The novocaine is still wearing off (couldn't have guessed THAT would be happening !), but here's my report:Folks, I am 99% certain this is our guy. Physical observations: He has a dark tan. Especially on his face. Dr. B is now sporting a FULL beard (a la Keith), which I have never seen him do before. His hair has grown out longer than I've ever seen in person or in any pictures. Both his beard and hair are a mixture of dark and gray (I'd say about 60% gray), he definitely does not color his hair like the dark hair you see in his group picture. He most closely resembles the picture of him on the motorcycle, but the tan, long hair and beard make him look CONSIDERABLY younger than 45. He was much more handsome than I remember too ! Makes his beautiful green eyes stand out...but I digress. Although he is a runner, he has an average build --- up until now. He has several pictures in his waiting room of himself at the different marathons he's run, the most recent one was from 1999 --- and his build was still average in that picture. He is now considerably thinner than his pictures, and he is much thinner than I have seen him before. He was wearing short-sleeved scrubs and he does have that wiry-armed look that we saw on Rodger and Keith last season. Disposition: He was VERY nice --- laughed and joked with me a bit. Chatted about a couple things we have in common. Didn't have a chance to talk with him about his summer, as he seemed very busy. He did, however, take as much time as I needed to go over what my dental problems were. The clincher: On the way out, I mentioned that I tried to get an appointment in July but was not able to. The receptionist said he was "out" the entire month of July. I didn't feel comfortable pressing her for more info, but I will get it out of her at my next appt (which *WILL* be on a Friday !) If I had to bet, I'd say Dr. B makes it far --- the physical changes coupled with his sparkling personality strongly suggests so. Now this Gator has had ENOUGH dentistry for one day ! ----------------------------------------------------------------- I think this counts as confirmation and as indication of "significant weight loss". Carl makes it to thr merger with "Big Tom"... Krautboy
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PepeLePew13 26134 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-26-01, 02:33 PM (EST)
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15. "Following up on Big Tom..." |
Here's a link in today's news that says Big Tom Buchanan has lost 80 pounds. 80 pounds in a maximum of 39 days is huge, even for a big guy. I don't know about you, but this all but confirms to me that he goes very far in the game. I don't think he'd lose that much simply getting to the merger, so I believe we're talking Final 3 or Final 4 here.http://www.bristolnews.com/MGBJ5IYH2SC.html The rumor is true By JASON REEVES Bristol Herald CourierYadda yadda yadda... He had lost about 80 pounds, had grown a full beard and would neither confirm nor deny rumors that he had been out of town shooting the show. The show's rules wouldn't allow him to. ... yadda yadda yadda. "Permit me to introduce myself. I am Pepe Le Pew, your lover."
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jtmorgan61 91 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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09-26-01, 05:57 PM (EST)
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16. "RE: Weight Loss Theory" |
Lack of weight loss was less helpful, but here's another one (pulled from Oakland Press, I think):But there still are a few imperfect ways to judge success on the show. Past contestants that advanced over several weeks reported weight losses of between 25 and 40 pounds. Colby Donaldson, Survivor II's runner-up, reportedly lost as much as 45 pounds in the Australian Outback. Black has a similar build. Friends agree that Black did not lose a significant amount of weight.
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AyaK 10426 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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09-26-01, 11:42 PM (EST)
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18. "Running weight loss summary" |
Significant weight loss: Big Tom, Carl. Minimal or no weight loss: Lindsey, Clarence. No data: the other 12.
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Lurking 156 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Blistex Spokesperson"
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10-01-01, 12:05 PM (EST)
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22. "RE: Running weight loss summary" |
Would it be safe to suggest that Clarence doesn't make it to the last six?
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jtmorgan61 91 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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09-27-01, 04:15 PM (EST)
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19. "More on Tom" |
Well, this is less helpful. From the Smyth County News:"Not only did he help his granddaddy on the farm, but I enjoy watching him play," Raymond said. Raymond is sure of two things on the show. Yes, Buchanan did lose some weight while in Africa, but not the 40-plus pounds spoken about in rumors. Also, if Tom is wearing any outfit on the show, it may be his farming bib overalls. "He’s still the same Tom," Raymond said. "He’s still wearing the same britches. I expect him to wear those bib overalls on the show. He’s a bib overall man." If one is left to wonder how many overalls could be bought with $1 million, they need not ask the Buchanan family. They will remain steadfast and silent. "We have to go by the rules and we will continue to go by the rules," Raymond said. Think this guy is an MB plant, anyone? Do we have a reliable source that he really did lose 60 lbs?
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managerr 1959 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Herbal Healing Drugs Endorser"
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10-02-01, 07:17 PM (EST)
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23. "RE: More on Tom" |
Didn't Marilyn lose a significant amount of weight despite only being on Ogakor for 9 days? It was one time the weight loss theory was slightly "off" as I remember speculation that Marilyn made the merge or was one of the last pre-merge victims of her tribe.
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MakeItStop 1098 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"
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10-03-01, 09:12 AM (EST)
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25. "RE: Marilyn weight loss" |
I think they each lost about 15 pounds.
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Lightmage81 225 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star"
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10-10-01, 04:19 AM (EST)
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29. "RE: Marilyn weight loss" |
A whole 3rd grader right?well that was for 4 people so a 1.5grader? seriously If i can recall Tina alone lost more than 15 pounds.. Richard Hatch lost something like 39 pounds... BUT Susan Hawk lost only about 7 pounds (figures off my head, so may not be accurate, but along those lines) therefore the pattern i see is that the bigger you were at the start more weight one would lose if one made it far enuff. however the theory is not exactly full-proof.....
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lroy 536 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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10-04-01, 05:39 PM (EST)
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26. "RE: Weight Loss Theory" |
Long time lurker with nothing to add... A girl that i work with (uh oh, another friend of a friend) knows Lex, and in addition to being sick with parasites, he has apparently lost a lot of weight while he was gone. She saw him one month ago and said he was still gaunt and sick. He wouldn't say a thing about the show, but his appearance was enough. Yeah! A first post that is actually a contribution!
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Thrill Seeker 220 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Network TV Show Guest Star"
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10-09-01, 04:14 PM (EST)
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28. "The Fat Guy Correlation" |
If you look at history, there is sort of a correlation to being overweight when you show up and getting close to winning. Richard, Sue, Rodger, Kelly, and Keith were all chubby when they arrived and made it close to the end. I have a feeling Big Tom's weight was lost during the game implying he made it to the near end. Of course, there is the other extreme where the very skinny people like Lis, Colleen and Tina make it a long way too. Maybe this observation is meaningless.
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