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"Country vs. Rock final"
Flairmarq 303 desperate attention whore postings
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05-19-05, 10:32 AM (EST)
 
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"Country vs. Rock final" |
I don't know about you, but this seems like the best final so far on A.I. We got stuck with a lot of R & B vs R & B singers, or R & B vs. Pop singers. We now have two strong genre singers and we know we are going to get two different and distinct performances from the two, as they will most likely be singing the same song in the finals. Although Bo is very very very tough to beat (To Carrie-"It'll take a miracle" Miricale Max, "Princess Bride".) I think Carrie is the best contrast to his style, and it will make it a very fun final. And Carrie will sell a lot of records even though she probably won't win. Any thoughts on the final? 
"The Simon of the Wabash Valley"
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scottyg124 26 desperate attention whore postings
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05-19-05, 10:54 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: Country vs. Rock final" |
This is actually the one final so far that I don't care about, they are both good singers, but I think everyone that would have made a great idol already got ousted, I'll still watch but definetly will not be voting
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geekboy 1788 desperate attention whore postings
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05-19-05, 12:47 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: Country vs. Rock final" |
OK, its no surprise to regulars on this board that i'm a Bo voter. I was originally hoping for a Bo vs. Constantine final, and my appreciation for Bo has grown week after week.Common sense tells me that Bo is on one of the most incredible rolls in AI history, and that he is going to be very hard to beat...but then my paranoid side keeps asking "Why is Carrie still around?!" In the end, i'm a bit worried for a few reasons (1) Simon predicted Carrie would win, and his track record for picking the winner is spotless
(2) The voting public. 'nuff said
(3) Vonzell & Anthony fans. I suspect they'll go to Carrie over Bo Please cheer me up and tell me why Bo will win. geekboy
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geekboy 1788 desperate attention whore postings
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05-19-05, 03:06 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: Country vs. Rock final" |
Hi geg -You and I understand that because it appears as if you and I have common sense. We're relying on the voting public to have common sense. We're relying on a massive number of teenagers to have common sense. If the voting public had common sense, Nadia wouldn't have been booted so early, etc, etc, etc. I don't think he'll win in a landslide, i think it will be as close as Ruben/Clay. geekboy
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okaychatt 2810 desperate attention whore postings
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05-19-05, 12:59 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Country vs. Rock final" |
<Vonzell & Anthony fans. I suspect they'll go to Carrie over BoWhy? I think Vonzell's will go to Bo, simply because he's NOT country. I'm not sure who Anthony's will go to, though I suspect Bo. Again, it's because you're either a country fan, or you're not. I think Bo will attract more than Carrie. But don't bet on it.  Next week will be interesting. 
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
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scottyg124 26 desperate attention whore postings
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05-19-05, 01:02 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: Country vs. Rock final" |
I think more of vonze and anthony votes will go to bo, if they liked country they would already be voting for carrie, I like the vonze and will probably be voting for bo, pretty much sine he's got a good voice and I really don't like country music
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JOSHIDOL 275 desperate attention whore postings
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05-19-05, 03:18 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: Country vs. Rock final" |
Geekboy,
Let me see if I can cheer you up and ease your paranoia. Simon may have predicted Carrie to win but I think he also predicted Latoya and Diana to win last year before he jumped on the Fantasia bandwagon. Last year when Clive Davis was on the show who did he praise the most, Fantasia. Now it was quite obvious who got the most Clive praise the other night: Bo.
American Idol still does not favor a true "country" artist as a winner. I think the show is actually pushing towards a Bo victory like they did last year with Fantasia, some comparisons that may make sense and may not: 1) Fantasia's "Summertime" performance is now being compared to "In A Dream" by Bo. 2) They focused on Fantasia's Mother and daughter last year backstage or in the audience, this year it was Bo's grandmother and 3) isn't a guy suppose to win this year??
Also, my one last most important thing is BO is a much better performer then Carrie. Yes, she has a great voice but would you pay $45 to see her in concert No, some would but I would not. I would like to hear her on a CD and that is it.
So Geekboy I hope as a fellow BO fan that I have eased some your fears.
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geekboy 1788 desperate attention whore postings
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05-19-05, 04:11 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: Country vs. Rock final" |
I hear what you're saying Josh, and yes it makes sense.The same arguments COULD have been made for Clay, also, in year #2. I look at the Bo/Carrie matchup as very similar to Ruben/Clay. Ruben wasn't much to watch, nor is Carrie, although all 4 had great voices. Granted, Bo is vastly different than Clay, but they both could be deemed a 'diamond in the rough' so to speak. also, its important ot remember that on the final night of songs for season 2, Clay clearly outshined Ruben yet Ruben still won. Go figure. We'll all see what happens soon enough. geekboy
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JOSHIDOL 275 desperate attention whore postings
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05-19-05, 04:37 PM (EST)
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16. "RE: Country vs. Rock final" |
Geekboy,
I think I had read where nobody thought Clay would turn out to be the big success he is today. I think the producers may
have thought that Ruben would outsell Clay, therefore, they pushed for a Ruben victory. They were all wrong on that one. I don't think they want that to happen again. I think they realize Bo will do well and sell well. In my opinion, he may be the best "Idol" yet. Kelly may come close. So put your fears away, I think you got this one in the bag. Of course what do I know??? Just kiddin.
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JOSHIDOL 275 desperate attention whore postings
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05-20-05, 09:44 AM (EST)
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26. "RE: Country vs. Rock final" |
Geekboy,
I saw Simon on "Regis & Kelly" and he said that they do have their favorites and the majority of Americans who vote are influenced by what the judges say.. I think at this point
they are pushing for Bo to win becasue I think it is quite obvious that he would be a bigger seller then Carrie. Of course this would only benefit them in the long run. Of course America votes and it is up to them but I think the comments of the judges can sway a lot of people.
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cjhope117 584 desperate attention whore postings
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05-24-05, 09:24 PM (EST)
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47. "RE: Country vs. Rock final" |
There are a lot of "background" things that can affect the audience's perception of the performance. The volume of the music, the set-up of the song (think Anthony vs. Carrie singing If You Don't Know Me By Now), the lighting, the camera angles, even the audience standing and sitting can affect the acoustics which is what we end up hearing. Think of how many times the judges told someone they were fantastic and at home we hear so many screechy and flat notes that the mute button was hit. Or the times the judges told someone they were "pitchy" and at home we are thinking it was the most amazing performance. There are so many things that can be controlled that can affect our perception of the contestants, I wouldn't be surprised to find that the whole show is somewhat "rigged" for a particular person to win.
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nicola 30 desperate attention whore postings
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05-20-05, 09:30 AM (EST)
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25. "RE: Country vs. Rock final" |
i had the same concerns as you geekboy
but then after bo's solo performance, he just blew me away. (1) Simon predicted Carrie would win, and his track record for picking the winner is spotless true, but when ryan secrest asked him about that later on, he said something along the lines of- well i was right she made it so far, and she has a very good chance of winning. (which means bo also has a very good chance of winning since he made it that far aswell) (2) The voting public. 'nuff said
you have to remember that the teenage group can be split into many different demographics.
most teenagers i know today are into rock music. the whole developmental-rebelious thing.
i mean i think kids today would be embarassed to say they like country music. (3) Vonzell & Anthony fans. I suspect they'll go to Carrie over Bo
i thought so too, but then i realized that either their fans are not going to vote for anybody
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they will vote based on that night's performance. (because they probably focused on vonzel and anthony all along, so didnt really notice the others that much)
so then theyll probably chose bo because as many people have said carrie has been having fairly weak performances and doesnt have much stage presecence. however the thing is carrie is more marketable and she does have many fans...
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well just have to wait and see.
but if bo doesnt win, look at it this way, he'll have more freedom to do his own stuff.
-nicky
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Flairmarq 303 desperate attention whore postings
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05-19-05, 02:19 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Country vs. Rock final" |
I think its a tought call to who'll get the votes from Vonzell and Anthony. The way I see it, teenage girls will be split between the country girl they can relate to (Carrie) and the hunky rock star (Bo).I would say that more parents and grandparents want Carrie to win, vs. the 16-28 demograpghic, who are more likely to pick Bo, whos is a major demographic here. I can't predict the vote, but all I can say is that Bo has done an awesome job and I think he has it in the bag. Let's just hope the drug charges in his past don't come back to harm him when he wins. "The Simon of the Wabash Valley"
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cambo 286 desperate attention whore postings
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05-20-05, 07:10 AM (EST)
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23. "RE: Country vs. Rock final" |
>I don't know about you, but
>this seems like the best
>final so far on A.I.
>We got stuck with a
>lot of R & B
>vs R & B singers,
>or R & B vs.
>Pop singers.
There's never been an R&B vs R&B singer in the final...
About six weeks ago, I pretty much thought it was a foregone conclusion that it would be Carrie vs either Bo or Constantine in the finals, with Carrie winning. Bo has really come on strong in recent weeks and I think he'll win it, deservedly. He's got the total package. Clive Davis knows a good thing when he sees it.
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zazzy 4390 desperate attention whore postings
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05-20-05, 10:47 AM (EST)
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27. "RE: Country vs. Rock final" |
The article is already outdated--the odds included Vonzel.I think Bo will win--he is the better of the two . I also think Carrie will get a contract and sell a lot of cd's. It would be nice to have another Clay/Reuben competition in the after market. Here is another thought about why Bo will win: CBS is chipping away at Idol with a reality show this summer where the winner gets to be the lead singer for INXS. AI/Fox does not want another network to get any share of the music reality show market in prime time. CBS's show will be a bigger threat than a cable show's Nashville Star. Idol needs to get out there with its own rocker first.
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Flairmarq 303 desperate attention whore postings
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05-20-05, 10:49 AM (EST)
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Bodog.com has it posted as:Carrie 1/1
Bo 3/5 But I think Carrie's is posted wrong, as 2/5 would be more likely. Basically Bo has a slight edge. "The Simon of the Wabash Valley"
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sodiumswirl 79 desperate attention whore postings
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05-20-05, 05:09 PM (EST)
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31. "RE: Current odds" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-20-05 AT 05:31 PM (EST)You must mean that Carrie should be at 4/5. Or 5/6. Or 6/7. Because if she were at 2/5 then she has the slight edge, not Bo. Anyway of course they won't have it exactly right... they want to earn $$$ from you. This way they'll earn $1 for each dollar spent on Carrie if Bo wins (minus what they have to pay back: e.g. the 60 cents/dollar spent by people betting on Bo at this final stage); and whatever sum of money spent on Bo if Carrie wins (minus whatever they have to pay back the people who voted for Carrie). And they also earn $$$ from anyone who placed bets earlier on Vonzell, Anthony, Scott, Constantine, Anwar, Nadia, Nikko, Jessica, Mikalah and Lindsay. The best way to win $$$ from them would've been to place money on Bo when his odds were the longest, say the week after he was relegated to the Bottom 3; and then wait until the season plays itself out. Well at least I think that's how it works. I could be wrong. If anyone actually bets on these things and know the iintricate details of how they work, please let me know... it's vaguely interesting. 
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sodiumswirl 79 desperate attention whore postings
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05-20-05, 04:44 PM (EST)
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30. "RE: Country vs. Rock final" |
Hmm you guys are right. Sportsbooks.com (which was what the article I posted about was sourcing) now has them at: Bo - 5/9 (previously 3/2) Carrie - 8/5 (previously 5/7) (copy and paste url: https://sportsbook.worldgaming.net/www.sportsbook.com/cgi_bin/sb23sbodds.cgi?SPORTTYPE=753)
And as Flairmarq earlier mentioned, Bodog.com also gives Bo the advantage:
http://bodog.com/sports-betting/non-sports-events.jsp (It's right after "Which film will be awarded the Palme d’or award at the 2005 Cannes Film Festival?" and right before "Who will win the 2005 MTV Movie Award for Best Male Performance?" My personal picks for those two questions? Wim Wenders's Don't Come Knockin' and Jamie Foxx for Ray, respectively. But I digress.)
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05-20-05, 07:59 PM (EST)
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32. "RE: Country vs. Rock final" |
I'll be voting for Carrie even though I think Bo is unquestionably more talented and deserving.Carrie is destined to grow up to be the typical shallow and unemotional glam-babe that I usually end up dating. When she's rich and famous and looking for that older guy, I want to be able to tell her, honestly, that I voted for her. Otherwise I just couldn't live with myself. 
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05-22-05, 12:19 PM (EST)
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37. "RE: Country vs. Rock final" |
I kinda disagree about the clear contrast of the finalists. IMO, Bo is Southern Rock. I hear country sounds in his voice. "Sweet Home Alabama" "Whipping Post" etc. are Southern Rock songs. Lynyrd Skynyrd, The Allman Brothers, The Marshall Tucker Band, Charlie Daniels...That is what I hear with Bo. Personally, I love that type of music, and I think it's what suits Bo's voice and his image. I think Carrie will win though. I'm afraid that there are enough voters who are turned off by Bo's style, and Carrie offends nobody. I also think it will be better for Bo's career to come in second. The types of fans who like Bo, don't need the label of American Idol to make them buy records.
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gela 1 desperate attention whore postings
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05-23-05, 10:25 AM (EST)
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39. "RE: Country vs. Rock final" |
I know that this year's finale is going to be the show of show's.Carrie and Bo are exceptional singers and it is going to be a true battle of the best.I belive that the finale will keep all of on the edge of our seats the whole show.We have very much enjoyed this season the best.
Hope that yall ejoy the finale.
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niteowl 199 desperate attention whore postings
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05-23-05, 07:44 PM (EST)
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44. "Bo vs. Carrie" |
I hope I don't get any backlash on this (my ego is a bit fragile right now!) but I'm finding Carrie boring and Bo a little less boring. I find him likeable enough, but no "WOW". I do enjoy his voice though, when he actually sings well and I wouldn't go out of my way to listen to Carrie. I think Bo is one of the few cases where I would rather listen to someone than watch them perform....
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redheaded_sweetheart 276 desperate attention whore postings
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05-25-05, 00:10 AM (EST)
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48. "RE: Bo vs. Carrie" |
I'm with you geekboy. I plan to buy Bo's cd when it comes out, but I really look forward to seeing him perform in person!
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05-26-05, 09:36 AM (EST)
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49. "RE: Country vs. Rock final" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-26-05 AT 09:37 AM (EST)I guess it depends on what you like. I personally can't stand Country or Rock n Roll. I feel that this years final was the absolute worse! Bo and Carrie Suck! None of the final contestants of this year deserve to be the American Idol. Carrie was chosen by Simon from day one! Oh yeah, didn't you know it's all up to Simon now? Simply put, Simply me.
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