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"What will the IC be ?"
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04-30-01, 06:41 PM (EST)
 
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"What will the IC be ?" |
We have speculated about the winner with full knowledge that the winner
will determine who stays and who goes. But there has been very little talk
about the nature of the challenge.So here goes ... pure speculation based on very little. We have no photos ..
perhaps because MB wants to hide information or perhaps because there is
very little to see. So I want to propose "How much do you know about the other survivors?" recycled from S1. This wouldn't be much to look at, but would give Tina (and maybe even Keith,
although he is such a narcissist that I doubt he knows much about anybody
other than Keith) a shot at staying until the end. Colby may be popular,
but folks don't want him to be a shoo in. And a bit of tension would make
for better TV. (Gotta keep folks on board for S3 after all.) And, reasoning
backwards, of course ... those two guys in the final two certainly would make
for a dull evening's entertainment. Anybody else up for a little speculation ?
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04-30-01, 08:11 PM (EST)
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2. "Ic speculation; TINA WINS???" |
First of all, let me restate some of the information that we have about possible IC scenarios for this week:1) In the S2 Field Guide, there is a picture of someone rock climbing/rappeling the face of the cliff beside the waterfall at TC. 2) There is a rumor of a "crazy canoe race" to take place between the final three. This came from a person that camped out in the vicinity of S2, and watched the action. Originally, this was accompanied by a picture of someone in a canoe, which has since been revealed as a crew member... the crew used inflatable canoes to travel between the contestant's camp and the crew headquarters. 3) In S1, there was a challenge in which the contestants had to answer questions about the jury members. 4) MB has two frickin' hours of TV to fill... a simple "know your fellow jury members" quiz will not be enough... this IC is gonna be big! 5) MB is the producer of eco-challenge.
So, how do you combine all of this?
As I described in the bar, last night, I see an eco-challenge-type race... canoes, rapelling, hiking etc. Contestants are given a map, and told to start... when they get to a point on the map, they meet a jury member, who asks them a question. (Ex: "What is my oldest daughter's name?") If the contestant correctly answers the question, they are given a map to the next survivor (who has the next question). If they answer incorrectly, they are given a map to a random location, where they will find the map to the next survivor, as well as the correct answer (Ex: They get to a post in the woods which reads "His daughter's name is Jane. Here is the map to find Alicia."). The first contestant to reach the final point (probably tribal council) wins immunity and gets to cast the only vote at the TC. Please note that this was utter speculation, and if this happens, I will personally admit that I am Jesus, who works for the Boston Herald and is a member of team Ellipsiiis... I do not expect this to play out exactly as I have described, but something similar might be in the works... or it could be something completely different... you asked for speculation, so I gave it to you... hoping that the Early Show will give us a clue on Thursday... However, even without the information, I think that we can still make some inferences about who wins. The following is a vidcap from the preview for next week, and with it is an enlargement... both of them provided by bungler: 
Here, we see the final three contestants arriving at what appears to be Tribal Counsel (three torches lit)... Neither of the contestants in front appear to be wearing the immunity necklace, which means that the person in back must have it.
The person on the right (dark shirt) appears to be wearing Colby's hat, but I think that I can see a gray beard, so I think that it is Keith. The person on the left appears to be wearing the Barramundi scarf tied around his/her head... since Colby usually does this, I think that this person is Colby... That means that the person in back is Tina... but it is difficult to tell if she is wearing the necklace... the majority of her body is blocked, but I'm willing to take a gamble and say that Tina wins IC... (Please note... this was compiled by me from about 600 theories over at SS.com... I cannot give credit to all of them, but I took elements of many that seemed most logical to me, and added a little of my own speculation, and voila... Tina wins IC)...
Who needs to know what the final IC is, when we can figure out who wins from the vidcaps!!!
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04-30-01, 08:32 PM (EST)
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3. "Preview Vid Caps" |
LAST EDITED ON 04-30-01 AT 08:40 PM (EST)I first posted this under Ayak's 'Shake it Off...' thread. I think it got buried in the thread and, since you are bringing up these frames, I thought I throw this back out. When I saw this first frame I thought that it was the final three approaching TC with Colby and Keith in the lead:  
Paratrooper's caps are a little more clear and the immunity necklace does appear to be around Colby's neck. The clip is short enough to be an ideal candidate for a little digital manipulation, so we can't really trust that this at all. Upon closer examination, however, I saw that the person next to Colby wasn't wearing any clothes that I had seen Keith wear before. So I thought that they were having all the tribe members come in together for the final TC and I thought, at first, that this frame showed that: 
Here's the weird thing... I can only see 8 torches and 8 heads... If I am not mistaken, there should be 9 contestants (jury + judged) for the final TC: Alicia, Jerri, Nick , Amber, Rodger, Liz, Colby, Keith, and Tina  
Here's my thought... MB is not going to make a mistake, but he would just love to fire one or two last red herrings across our bows... Notice how prominently positioned Colby (head #8) is this shot (right foreground)... is this a staged production shot with one person missing (the winner?) and Colby in front to make us take Colby off our final two list? Sounds like something MB would do if one particular contestant had domiminated the challenges for 3 episodes in a row and was about to steam roll into the final two. There are two seamingly contradictory depictions here... Colby wins final immunity (the immunity necklace shot) and gets to pick his choice of final two competition yet loses anyway (the 8 standing together shot). My feeling is that MB is centering his disinformation around the Colby character. This leads me to believe that Colby is, therefore, the most likely winner. At the very least... I've provided a numbered head shot to aid in discussion. IceCat
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04-30-01, 08:46 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Preview Vid Caps" |
Thanks IceCat...You appear to be right... the Immunity necklace seems to be around the neck of the person with the dark shirt. Another thought is that this might be as they leave TC after voting out Lizzy...
As for the headshots... I think that these are from the original tribes...
This shot shows either the eight original members of Ogakor or the eight original members of Kucha. I think that they took these production shots as each tribe first visited TC.
I think it might be Kucha... head shots sorta look like:
1) Jeff
2) Rodger
3) Alicia
4) Nick
5) Kimmi
6) Debb
7) Lizzy
8) Mike
I'm pretty sure that 3) is Alica... but I actually think 1) MIGHT be Mitchell... anyway... I think that a photo of 8 has little relevance at this point...
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04-30-01, 09:00 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Preview Vid Caps" |
Neither photo, on it's own, is proof of anything... the fact that Colby is featured prominently in both photos and the dominant interpretation of each appears to be at odds with the other leads me to believe that MB is deliberately attempting to disseminate disinformation with respect to Colby specifically.He is trying to create a cloud of confusion around the Colby character. To paraphrase the bard... 'me thinks he doth obfuscate too much!' This much effort to confuse the audience with respect to Colby leads me to believe that he Colby wins it. It's the best evidence that I can think of... Of course, other people will be saying, well if IceCat is picking Colby... ...he can't possibly win! (a whole different kind of spoiler  )
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05-01-01, 00:54 AM (EST)
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10. "RE: Rite of Passage before IC?" |
LAST EDITED ON 05-01-01 AT 02:08 AM (EST)Nature of IC--not physical unless CBS/MB telling BIG LIE. As I posted on another thread, the CBS affiliate here runs a recap of each show on the late news after it airs, and the newscasters closed by commenting on Colby's run of winning, and then saying "the producers (of Survivor) tell us that the last immunity challenge will not be a physical one, so that Colby will not necessarily have a better chance to win." It's possible that only the clause that the challenge won't be physical was quoted from the producers (and the part about Colby was commentary by the newscaster); I couldn't tell because it was all one sentence--like reporting rather than editorializing. It doesn't really matter; there was an assurance the IC ain't physical. Now I don't exactly trust the producers, but that's a big lie to put out to the audience if the IC were to include any cliff-repelling, canoe racing, etc.. It seems clear that there's been enough outcry that Colby has had too much advantage (even for Paired Off, because he would theoretically be sharper because better fed after winning the physical RC). I think that MB has to make the playing field seem level for the last IC. I think an endurance test qualifies as at least partly physical, as the weaker ones won't be able to endure as long Comments on vidcaps
My sense of the pics of the 3 are that Colby's on the right with the blue shirt he wore last episode, his hat, and the immunity necklace on. This need not mean anything about who wins immunity, if the IC takes place at TC. Of course Colby will arrive wearing the necklace, because he won last time. In Survivor One, the quiz IC was called "Fallen Comrades," was all about previous bootees rather than anyone still in the running, and it was held at TC for good reason, so that the jury could judge whether the contestants cared enough about the people they'd booted to learn details about them. It makes total sense to repeat this challenge, or a variation, that will confront the final 3 with the jury (last time Final 4). I do think Tina could win this just as Kelley did. As a home nurse, she probably does a lot of listening to others and has practiced the skill in the Outback in her role as Mom. Colby would be my second pick. Rite of Passage as Time-filler for 2 hour Show?
In Survivor 1, the last IC was preceded by the walking on coals rite of passage, which was not part of the IC. All the physical events mentioned above could be rite of passage elements relating to the Outback. As MB put it in his book, the walking on coals was both a spiritual test and an answer to the question, what would you do to win a million? Would you do this crazy thing? Of course, they will. After that, they could come to TC and do a quiz IC. According to Zap2It, there's one final TC in which the three will be whittled down to three, and then the winner is chosen by jury.
Has anyone heard any other version of the structure? For some reason I thought there would be one TC for the elimination and a second one for jury voting; I probably got that impression from what Jeff told them last episode, but I'm too lazy to watch it again, so if anyone knows, that would be helpful. As for how the rest of the time will be filled--
don't forget, they'll be very, very ****** (censored due to Shakes) because they'll have run out of rice and rewards, and don't think we won't hear about that ad nauseum... Oh, yeah, and they're thinking a lot more about going back to civilization and we definitely have to hear about how it's been a life-changing experience for everyone... Edited after reading Zap2It.
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05-01-01, 02:18 AM (EST)
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11. "RE: Rite of Passage before IC?" |
Outfrontgirl: good thinking there! The only thing that I would like to add is the symbolism of the immunity idol. Holding that and then letting go. Somehow, the idol should be incorporated.
The Rites Of Passage was fine and maybe there will be something along the lines of aborigine lore. Still, there will have to be some sort of filler stuff about the survivors. I really don't want to see recaps again. That sucked.
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05-01-01, 02:45 AM (EST)
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12. "RE: Rite of Passage before IC?" |
Minstrel,
I agree about the immunity idol's symbolism. I'm not sure how MB will fit it all in though, with only one challenge left! That (holding on to idol) was a pretty interesting challenge in S1 because of the way Hatch just dropped out, and the way Kelly, the alliance outsider, was clearly going to outlast the others.It's hard for me to imagine any of these 3 dropping out, after the way Tina and Keith stuck to those poles. I'm sure Colby has the determination too, so maybe MB just decided it would be endless.
I also hope there aren't recaps! I do expect to get a lot of each person's point-of-view about their competition and their strategy. If you compare it to last year, this episode is shy one challenge and one TC--so that's the amount of time to be filled. Last time, only Soozin made a real speech. This time, we could have up to 7 speeches (not that I think they'll be very long, except maybe Jerri) plus two arguments from the Final 2. It is frustrating not to have a real preview!
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05-01-01, 01:29 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: Rite of Passage before IC?" |
Outfrontgirl, I agree I don't see why anyone would drop out either. But I can see a combination immunity final using mental and physical aspects, just that we don't have any new information! I hope something comes out soon!
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. They are wearing the exact same clothes as in this picture, meaning it's a picture of them leaving TC that night. With one exception: in the movie of Tina casting her vote, she's wearing a black shirt with a white jacket/shirt around her waist, which she must have been put on on the way home. Colby has on the immunity necklace of course. So there's still a chance the momolestor doesn't win immunity.
