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06-20-05, 03:42 PM (EST)
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"Scoring system"
Has anyone else noticed how strange the scoring system is.

They use a ranking system for both the professional judges and the home audience. The professional judges rank the dancers by the current performance. However, the home audience is not judging the current dance, but the previous one.

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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 RE: Scoring system GumbyGirl 06-20-05 1
 RE: Scoring system PhoenixMons 06-20-05 2
   RE: Scoring system Gisele 06-20-05 3
       RE: Scoring system Swami 06-21-05 4
           RE: Scoring system RealityMom 06-21-05 5
 RE: Scoring system mikey 06-21-05 6

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GumbyGirl 40 desperate attention whore postings
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06-20-05, 05:18 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: Scoring system"
I found this additional info on http://www.tvtattle.com/ about the scoring:

"Why "Dancing with the Stars" won't reveal vote tallies
Executive producer Conrad Green, who worked on "American Idol," explains: "The viewer votes aren't revealed for two reasons. One, we don't want to lose the tension in the show regarding who's going to be eliminated. And two, we want the bigger-picture story to be a bit of a mystery. We don't want to publish exactly how the public is thinking in order to keep the mystery of the show ... "We want viewers to vote based on the performances they see -- and not based on how they think other viewers are voting."

True, the scoring is really odd... but the whole show is so cheesy that I don't think it matters much. I'll bet John O'Hurly is so far ahead, and probably Kelly, that until they get to the final 2, it won't matter all that much. MANY people are obviously voting based on popularity.. so unless Joey and/or Rachel have phenomenal performances from here on out, they look like they'd be in the most danger of leaving. Just my $.02!

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2. "RE: Scoring system"
LAST EDITED ON 06-20-05 AT 05:31 PM (EST)

Actually, here's how it works... The first week no one was eliminated (can't eliminate someone if no one has seen them/voted yet), so the judges scores carried over into week two. Then in week two, they used the judges' vote totals from both the first and second weeks and the viewers total from the first week...

Week one Joey, Rachel, and John all got 6 pts from the judges' half of the score since there were 6 couples and they were all in first place. Evander and Trista then got 3 pts. Then Kelly got 1 pt. Week two, John got 6 more from the judges, Rachel got 5, Joey got 4, Trista got 3, Kelly got 2, and Evander got 1 pt. THen the audience votes were based on only week one. I understand why they did it that way - no one was eliminated the first night, so they counted the judges' scores from both nights on the first elimination night.

From week three on, the judges' and audience's scores are taken from that week's performance and they find out the results the following week (basically, it's the same format as American Idol...only the judges' scores count).


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06-20-05, 11:23 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: Scoring system"
Not exactly. The ranking from the previous week from the public votes is combined with the judges ranks for dances done that night. So, the public and the judges are ranking different performances.
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06-21-05, 10:17 AM (EST)
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4. "RE: Scoring system"
I think Gisele is right here, PM. It seems like an awkward way to do it--but I don't see how else they can have a live eviction that includes audience votes. I think it's a reasonable adjustment.

My question is--do the judges know the weekly audience rankings before they vote each night? I'm guessing they do--and can rank people extra high or low to either protect them or dump them.

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5. "RE: Scoring system"
I think that the only way the same performance could be considered by both the judges and the audience is if the team that goes home is eliminated at the very beginning of the show. Then it would be based on the previous week's performance by both voting groups. I didn't watch Idol this past season, so I can't remember but was the person on Idol eliminated at the beginning or the end? But the way DWTS is doing it, starts the show off on a positive note and gives the dancers one more appearance on the show.
Swami, you ask a really good question. I also wonder if the judges know the voter rankings in advance. I doubt if ABC will ever let us know.
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06-21-05, 02:48 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Scoring system"
I think in this type of scoring system the judges' votes are rarely going to be determinative, because the public vote takes precedence in case of ties, and with a simplified scoring system (1 for last place in either the judge's or public's votes), in most cases you would expect whoever finished last in the public vote is going to be at least in a tie for last place overall, and therefore last overall. (Not a mathematical certainty, but very likely). As the public vote is determined based on last week's performance, it seems that the present week performance pretty much does not matter.


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