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"Will and Rich Hatch"
LadyT 5567 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Playboy Centerfold"
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08-29-01, 00:31 AM (EST)
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"Will and Rich Hatch" |
I know, what a comparision. I have to wonder if Will maybe studied up on Rich. They both were hated at the beginning of their respective shows. Rich was a master at manipulation. He had his alliance and sub alliances. When it was down to the final three, he blew the immunity challenge because he knew that Rudy would pick him for the Final Two and Kelly would also, knowing she would lose against Rudy. However, if Rich won that IC, he would have no qualms about voting Rudy off. If Rudy was in the Final two, he would have won.Chilltown was an alliance, and within it were suballiances. Will has manipulated every situation from calling a meeting where everyone yells at each other to feeding lies to everyone. Yet he, like Rich is honest about his lies. Both told the public exactly what they are doing. I have no doubt that if Will wins HOH, he will put up Nicole and Hardy for eviction, regardless how many times Nicole threatens him. The public hated both of these men in the beginning, yet a lot of people have come to respect how they played this game. They both know that these are games to be won. Rich succeeded and it looks like Will may also. ----------------------- "So what are my chances of honest advances I'd say low Better to win by admitting my sin than to lose with a halo" -Evita
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Fast Eddie 625 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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08-30-01, 09:56 AM (EST)
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5. "RE: Will and Rich Hatch" |
Do >I remember a specific lie >told to a specific person? >No. I do recall Probst >asking him if there was >an alliance during tribal cousel >post-merger. He either lied >and said no or gave >an extremely evasive answer. I >guess it depends on your >definition of lying. No, he didn't say No. You're thinking of Sue. Rich gave an evasive answer, like almost everyone does every day, when they want to avoid answering something unpleasant. It's a far cry from what Will has been doing. > The picture >Burnett gave us of Rich >was pretty dark without showing >every minute of his scheming. I find this common attitude fascinating. People all remember Rich as a bad guy, but can't remember why. They say he lied and stabbed people in the back. But they can never recall an incident where he actually did that. (Whereas Tina was shown lying and backstabbing, yet that was okay.) What people (including most of the players) hated was the manipulation and the alliances. Yet now, it is de rigueur in almost all reality shows, not just Survivor. Rich was just ahead of his time. Perhaps Will is as well. After all, most games are based on lying and deception. You false-card in bridge, bluff in poker, fake in football, etc., even with your best friends. It is an expected part of the game, not dark and evil.
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Asskicker 61 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Hollywood Squares Square"
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08-30-01, 10:17 AM (EST)
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6. "RE: Will and Rich Hatch" |
Oh come on! Richard lied like crazy. Don't tell me you expect people to actually remember specific incedents that happened over a year ago! If I had tapes to Survivor 1, I could probably go through them and find you about 200 times where Richard lied. Although people don't remember the details, the lying was there!
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MakeItStop 1098 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Politically Incorrect Guest"
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08-30-01, 12:14 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Will and Rich Hatch" |
I don't really want to get in the middle of this debate about whether Rich lied or not. I don't think we ever saw Rich lie. But I do think we saw him manipulate people. I think people did not like Rich because he was so egotistical.
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Fast Eddie 625 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Reality Show Commentator"
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08-31-01, 09:15 AM (EST)
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11. "RE: Will and Rich Hatch" |
>I think Rich lied, by he >lied by omission. Like >giving the evasive answer to >the alliance question. Like someone said, it depends on your definition of lying. We all give evasive answers to questions we don't want to answer(Wife: Honey, am I getting fat?) If that's the only example, it's pretty mild, certainly compared with Will, or even Tina. >the Final Three (this was >in the Survivor Book). I have no doubt he told lies, documented after the fact. My point was: we didn't see that during the show, yet people accused him of being a liar and backstabber during the show. It's all about perception. But even if it were true, why was it bad for him, but admirable in everyone since? >Will is too. What >would be the greatest would >be if Will and Monica >form a secret alliance. >Oh well, I can dream. Why dream? It's seems like a no-brainer. Hardy and Nicole have made no secret of their alliance. I don't see that Monica and Will have any choice but to ally, at least long enough to kick out H or N.
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PigFace 44 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beauty Pageant Celebrity Judge"
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08-31-01, 08:13 PM (EST)
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12. "Will IS Richard Hatch! (Spoilers!)" |
I just heard that Will gave up the final HOH challenge because he made a deal with Monica to nominate Hardy and Nicole together! Monica is HOH, and now it will look like Will never backstabbed them! This guy has to be in some way related to Richard Hatch!
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Dalton 1271 desperate attention whore postings DAW Level: "Beef Jerky Spokesperson"
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09-05-01, 01:04 PM (EST)
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16. "RE: Lady T....I agree Will and Richard Hatch are" |
two of a kind! I haven't been on this Board due to computer problems but I have watched BB2 and done my fair share of screaming at the TV. LOL. First, IMO, the whole "Chill Town" (Will, Shannon & Boogie) ACT of "we are the only cool kids and all the rest of these dope's are just LOSERS" was so obnoxious it made me want to hurl!!! Will had 2 strikes against him (for me); in that, being from Miami Beach doesn't make you the "greatest" and being a doctor doesn't make you "special". Also, any man who spends that much mirror/body shaving/hair obsession time doesn't leave much left to care about anybody ELSE!! After last night's show...where Will dropped out of HOH and Monica put H/N up for eviction; thereby putting the one vote in Will's hands --- I thought geeze even Richard Hatch was "sincere" 10% of the time!! Will is 100% Bullsh!t!!! Needless to say if I had been in that awful game Dr. Evil's tight arse would be G-O-N-E by now. Furthermore, I've lost all respect for Hardy after all his big talk about booting out Chill Town and being HOH three times but Will is still there??? Too bad Hardy didn't "buy a brain" to go along with him brawn and macho image...now it's TOO LATE!! When Hardy & Nicole actually sat there and said about keeping will around "because he is FUN"; OMG...how silly can you get?? I won't compare BB with Survivor because there are just too many differences....but if Will wins BB it will only be because Hardy and Nicole were dumb beyond all logic, imo. Dalton
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