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"Say it ain't so... Joe was "booted" by the producers"
TeamJoisey 3558 desperate attention whore postings
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03-03-05, 00:05 AM (EST)
 
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"Say it ain't so... Joe was "booted" by the producers" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-03-05 AT 04:52 PM (EST)Joe, We hardly Knew Ye. Joe Murena made a very good point when he was asked about his elimination.
He said he didn't get much screen time. Had any of us seen him before? I don't think so. And he paid the price. Whether or not you think he was the worst of the remaining contestants, he's right to feel victimized by the producers and the process. American Idol gave us a whole lot of Scott Savol, for instance, who is still here, and the Moofetta Brothers, who are not. We saw more of Jamie Koehler, who is gone, and a whole lot of Anthony Federov, who's being pimped as Clay2.0. There were no prior performances, no prior exposure, in which Joe Murena could build a fan base. The same goes for Aloha Mischeaux. She stood on stage next to Vonzell, she of the unmatched shoes, who had a fan base before the semifinals started. These "hidden" contestants were at a distinct disadvantage once the decision-making was handed over to the viewers, and that was all in the editing. They chose to highlight certain story lines, and they chose to ignore some of these semifinalists. Keep in mind that the final 24 contestants were selected before the first episode aired this season. Only now are we seeing live episodes. So Joe, We Hardly Knew Ya. Aloha, Miss Mischeaux. You never got a fair chance. 
These reality show contestants need a reality check!
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pinay_racer 122 desperate attention whore postings
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03-03-05, 05:32 AM (EST)
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2. "RE: Say it ain't so... Joe was "booted" by the producers" |
i agree with you josie...if we didnt get a chance to hear constantine during the hollywood round/auditions, he might have been booted out ahead of judd. but he has a following even before the semis started. thats why even if totally was off pitch, he is still in it. same goes with melinda lira. that's editing for you.
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callalilly3000 693 desperate attention whore postings
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03-03-05, 07:34 AM (EST)
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3. "RE: Say it ain't so... Joe was "booted" by the producers" |
TJ you beat to the punch. I knew Aloha was going to be in finals, I live in St. Louis, and it is a "small" large city. So, of course I looked for her during the elimination rounds. She was not shown once. There was no way for me to gage her talent. I voted for her the first week, I thought she did well, and was suprised by her voice. This week, she didn't quite as well, but there were about three other young women that sounded worse. I made a point to my DH saying that because she wasn't showcased, she didn't develope a fan base. We did see alot of Scott, Constintine, Carrie, Mikahlah, just to name a few. All and all, the producers show those contestants that they think will bring commericial success to the program and provide higher ratings.
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03-03-05, 08:25 AM (EST)
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4. "RE: Say it ain't so... Joe was "booted" by the producers" |
I agree with you 100%!I complained about this same thing earlier. I'm glad Joe said something, because he wuz robbed by the editing. Just look at our AI forums. We have fan threads for contestants who were heavily featured. People had already picked their favorites before this round started. Completely unfair. I knew more about Aloha, being from St. Louis, she has had some local press. I voted for her exclusivly the first two weeks because I knew she was getting ripped-off, exposure wise. Going first this week also was a big disadvantage. I'm not sure she would have won either, beacause I think the men are stronger, but I think she was just as good as any other woman competing. I'm sorry I won't get to see more of her. Same goes for my other local favorite, Nikko. I don't think I've heard him utter one word since the semi-finals started. For these early rounds at least, while I like some of the other guys, I'll continue to give all my votes to Nikko, and hope he won't get eliminated due to lack of backstory. (and believe me, there is a lot of interesting backstory there!) Sure there are always exceptions. Bo seems to have a lot of early fans, with little exposure, but, his style is so radically different, that he stands out because of that, as much as for his talent. It would have been a shame if he'd had one, even sortof off night early, and we'd have missed out on what he's capable of.
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Sheila 2069 desperate attention whore postings
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03-03-05, 03:34 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Say it ain't so... Joe was "booted" by the producers" |
Melinda Lira (who stood shocked last week when they announced her name) stated the same thing last week. She had not gotten the network exposure that most of the other contestants had received. Now while I doubt that Melinda Lira or Joseph Murena would have been THE American Idol, I do think they were not the worst performers of the week. Unfortunately, this isn't about talent. It's more of a popularity contest.
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Fishercat 4168 desperate attention whore postings
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03-03-05, 03:48 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Say it ain't so... Joe was "booted" by the producers" |
I think Joe has a definite point, although I think that was only a secondary reason for his demise. His performance in the first week was completely unspectacular and...well...he was my boot to go in Week 1. I think that was the key effect. Even though he had a very good performance in Week 2, so did almost every other male, and his unremarkable image and poor showing in Week 1 got him booted.Compare him to Nikko Smith, who got very little time in the audition/Hollywood episode, he has had 2 superb performances and he really hasn't been in any sort of trouble. Travis didn't have much time at all, and he has (somehow) lasted. He is right though, people like Scott, Anwar, Constantine, Carrie, among others, have a big advantage in getting a pre-vote fanbase.
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okaychatt 2810 desperate attention whore postings
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03-03-05, 04:24 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: Say it ain't so... Joe was "booted" by the producers" |
<never got a fair chance.True. However, I'm reminded of Scooter Girl last year. She had a fan base, but never made the finals. That's just the way the cookie crumbles. 
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
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03-03-05, 05:31 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: Say it ain't so... Joe was "booted" by the producers" |
I didn't base my vote on auditions, I based it on how well they performed. These people who are kicked off just don't want to face it, they're just not that good.
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TeamJoisey 3558 desperate attention whore postings
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03-03-05, 11:42 PM (EST)
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17. "RE: Say it ain't so... Joe was "booted" by the producers" |
You are right, they are not that good. But there are worse people still on the show.
Janay was the worst of the 12 women, and yet she's survived four eliminations.Without his early buildup, Scott Savol wouldn't have fans, and he'd be gone on looks alone. Simon said as much when he first auditioned. Scott's performances were not so overwhelming, and he looked horrid, particularly in week one. Alana, you may have voted in a vacuum, but that's not generally the way the show turns out. People vote based on a lot of elements outside individual performances. By hiding certain finalists, you are putting them at a disadvantage. That's my point. BTW, welcome to the boards.
These reality show contestants need a reality check!
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LakerLuv 151 desperate attention whore postings
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03-05-05, 11:12 AM (EST)
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18. "RE: Say it ain't so... Joe was "booted" by the producers" |
>LAST EDITED ON 03-03-05
>AT 04:52 PM (EST)
>
>Joe, We hardly Knew Ye.
>
>Joe Murena made a very good
>point when he was asked
>about his elimination.
>He said he didn't get much
>screen time. Had any of
>us seen him before? I
>don't think so. And he
>paid the price.
>
>Whether or not you think he
>was the worst of the
>remaining contestants, he's right to
>feel victimized by the producers
>and the process.
>
>American Idol gave us a whole
>lot of Scott Savol, for
>instance, who is still here,
>and the Moofetta Brothers, who
>are not. We saw more
>of Jamie Koehler, who is
>gone, and a whole lot
>of Anthony Federov, who's being
>pimped as Clay2.0.
>
>There were no prior performances, no
>prior exposure, in which Joe
>Murena could build a
>fan base. The same goes
>for Aloha Mischeaux. She stood
>on stage next to Vonzell,
>she of the unmatched shoes,
>who had a fan base
>before the semifinals started.
>
>These "hidden" contestants were at a
>distinct disadvantage once the decision-making
>was handed over to the
>viewers, and that was all
>in the editing. They chose
>to highlight certain story lines,
>and they chose to ignore
>some of these semifinalists. Keep
>in mind that the final
>24 contestants were selected before
>the first episode aired this
>season. Only now are we
>seeing live episodes.
>
>So Joe, We Hardly Knew Ya.
>Aloha, Miss Mischeaux. You never
>got a fair chance.
>
>
>These reality show contestants need a
>reality check!
I totally disagree with you. Once the competition begins, the only thing that matters is the individual performance the singer gives. If you connect with the TV viewers who vote, you will win. If you don't , you'll get voted off. It's not until the competition starts to narrow down do the audience start to pick favorites to support. In the beginning, it's all about the singer picking the best song and giving the best performance. It's about one night and one shot. You either have it or you don't. I can't stand it when the singers start making excuses for why they lost. You lost because less people voted for you. Now, pick up your pride, dust yourself off and go out there and find another way to fufill this dream.
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TeamJoisey 3558 desperate attention whore postings
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03-05-05, 09:53 PM (EST)
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23. "RE: Say it ain't so... Joe was "booted" by the producers" |
"Once the competition begins, the only thing that matters is the individual performance the singer gives."WRONG!!! You may vote that way. Maybe it ought to be that way.
But that's not the way it is. People get votes for plenty of reasons unrelated to the performances. Camille Velasco is proof enough. The truth is Carrie Underwood or Nadia Turner could strangle a cat onstage and they'd still get votes because they have fans who saw them in the audition stage. This is not to say that any of the booted contestants were any good, only that they were at a disadvantage when the voting began.
These reality show contestants need a reality check!
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LakerLuv 151 desperate attention whore postings
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03-10-05, 05:24 PM (EST)
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33. "RE: Say it ain't so... Joe was "booted" by the producers" |
>I totally disagree with you. Once
>the competition begins, the only
>thing that matters is the
>individual performance the singer gives.
>If you connect with the
>TV viewers who vote, you
>will win. If you don't
>, you'll get voted off.
>It's not until the competition
>starts to narrow down do
>the audience start to pick
>favorites to support. In the
>beginning, it's all about the
>singer picking the best song
>and giving the best performance.
>It's about one night and
>one shot. You either have
>it or you don't. I
>can't stand it when the
>singers start making excuses for
>why they lost. You lost
>because less people voted for
>you. Now, pick up your
>pride, dust yourself off and
>go out there and find
>another way to fufill this
>dream.
>
>
>If you seriously believe this, then
>you are extremely disillusioned when
>it comes to reality tv.
>I'm not dellusional, Just truthful. I don't remember seeing Ruben a lot before the competion for his season narrowed down to the final 12. In fact, Frenchie got the most if teh early publicity back then and was booted off the show for other reasons. I recall seeing Clay during his audtion, once, and I even said, "he has a great voice, but he doesn't have the "look". I was wrong because America fell in love with Clay. I can't remember Kelly or Fantasia's auditon tapes but they became AI winners. Needless to say, Ruben, Clay, Kelly and Fantasia have had nothing but commercial success and they were the winners (and in Clay's case the best 2nd place contestant ever). Most people I know who watch and vote don't mention anyone's publicity. What we end up talking about the following day is the performance itself. I think in the beginning, most peole vote based on the performance. My experience with fans of the show, say we judge by the performance. Your experience says otherwise. We can agree to disagree, is that cool?
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03-05-05, 03:54 PM (EST)
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19. "RE: Say it ain't so... Joe was "booted" by the producers" |
I missed the beginning of the show - Was there a reason why they didn't have the "losers" sing this week (Probably because it was 1/2 hour this time) - I like the 1/2 hour vs. the 1 hour elimination episode.It seems slightly cruel to have the losers sing, but at least they get some more on screen time that they may not get a chance to have again - Even for poor Joe, the only few words he got to speak was when he was booted. They didn't even let him sing again. I've always been amused with the fact that Ryan Seacrest is basically saying "America didn't like the song you sang you this week and because of that you're out of the competition, but you get to sing the song again that everyone seems to agree was horrible and we would never want to hear you sing again!"
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03-06-05, 00:01 AM (EST)
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24. "The role of hubbub" |
I think this week's elimination should be revealing when it comes to this issue.I think that of the boys left, only Nikko, Travis, and Bo remain of those who weren't developed as "characters" early on. Certainly we'll lose Travis this week. He sucks. But it should be interesting to see who the other person is to go, as (IMHO) Nikko and Bo have given consistently good performances. Meanwhile, of those who remain who were focused on in the audition round, Scott and Constantine (and arguably Anthony) haven't performed up to their initial buzz. Who will leave? Someone who sings well, or someone who has had an extra 3 weeks of fan base generation?
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03-07-05, 04:11 PM (EST)
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27. "Nikko the Blank" |
>Nikko and Bo have given
>consistently good performances.
>
Nikko is technically very good, but is it just me who sees a blank face when he sings? I'm not feeling any charisma or personality coming out of him. He just seems really ...not there. And I think a little personality can take you a long way in the next few weeks....
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