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"American Dream Derby"
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"American Dream Derby" |
Check this thread for news and summmaries (from yours truly!) about this horse racing/reality hybrid from GSN. It starts Monday, January 10, at 9 PM with back-to-back episodes (one hour each). The series continues with episodes each Monday at 9 through February.
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01-04-05, 11:04 AM (EST)
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1. "Press release" |
From GSN via PR Newswire:Production Has Wrapped on GSN's 'AMERICAN DREAM DERBY' Winner Determined at Live Race on February 21st and Takes Home $250,000 and a Stable of Thoroughbreds
SANTA MONICA, Calif., Dec. 1 /PRNewswire/ -- Twelve contestants from around the country have learned the wonderful world of thoroughbred horse racing for GSN's eight-episode unscripted series AMERICAN DREAM DERBY, the first reality show set in this exciting arena. This unprecedented series will premiere on Monday, January 10 with the first and second episodes airing back-to-back (9:00-11:00 PM ET/PT) and will culminate with a live race event on Monday, February 21, 2005; the winner takes home $250,000 and a stable of thoroughbreds.
The lucky contestants chosen to experience the thoroughbred horse racing industry are: Chris Black, a pharmaceutical sales rep from Euless, TX
Susan Bosso, a hotel sales manager from Ocala, FL
Eric Childers, a student from Springfield, MO
Tara Clark, a ranch owner and stunt woman from Pioche, NV
Aaron Coen, a student from Newark, DE
David Malatesta, a graphic artist from Los Angeles, CA
Deanna Manfredi, a marketing consultant from Philadelphia, PA
Dean Pellegrin, a Pharmacist from Houma, LA
Jewel Savage, a correctional officer from Baltimore, MD
Sara Slavin, a model from West Milford, NJ
LeVar Thomas, a music producer/artist from Bronx, NY
Tara Walden, a message therapist from Los Angeles, CA
Contestants will experience everything from the daily chores of life in the stables, training and caring for the animals, to living the high life of an owner in a nearby mansion. The players will need to use smarts, strength and the series' stable of 15 thoroughbred horses to get to the final race.
LeAnn Rimes will sing the theme song "You Take Me Home," and will make a special guest appearance in the premiere episode and perform live as part of the two-hour finale episode. Steve Santagati ("Looking for Love: Bachelorettes in Alaska") serves as host of the series and will guide the contestants through various challenges they will face as they learn the horse racing world from the ground up. AMERICAN DREAM DERBY is a Stone & Company Entertainment production. Scott A. Stone, Sharon Levy, Anthony Ross and Kathy Sutula serve as executive producers. GSN, the Network for Games, is the only U.S. television network dedicated to game-related programming and interactive game playing. The network features game shows, reality series, documentaries, video game programs and casino games. As the industry leader in interactivity, GSN features 84 hours per week of interactive programming, which allows viewers a chance to win prizes by playing along with GSN's televised games via gsn.com. Reaching 57 million Nielsen homes, GSN is distributed in the U.S. through all major cable systems and satellite providers. The network is jointly owned by Sony Pictures Entertainment and Liberty Media Corporation. For further media information, visit GSN's press website at corp.gsn.com. Website: http://corp.gsn.com/
Website: http://www.gsn.com/
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01-04-05, 11:14 AM (EST)
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2. "My thoughts" |
* A fair number of reality contestant musts are fulfilled here. New Yorker? Check.
Representative from La La Land? Check (times two).
Drug dealer - er, pharmaceutical sales rep? Check.
Model? Check.
Student? Check (times two). * There seems to be a bit of a bias toward city slickers here. Might want to bet against the lot of them. * None of our contestants seems to have much experience with horses, except for possibly our ranch owner. All of that said, I remain cautiously optimistic that this groups represents a fair slice of Americans who are more interested in horses than in having their good sides captured.
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01-04-05, 12:23 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: Press release" |
A quarter-million and some horses? Is that over-and-above money, or are race entry fees, stable costs, horseman's pay et. all taken care of by the prize money? Racing is expensive: with a few horses, that money might take care of the new stable for about a year.
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7. "Deja vu" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-09-05 AT 12:56 PM (EST)I'm thinking of the famous R&J Morgan stables -- but this time, Bill Veeck isn't around to cover the winner's expenses for the rest of the meet. Financially, this could get ugly fast, and the winner's best bet might be to sell all the horses immediately for whatever price could be found, then run for it. The stable mucking costs with that many horses would run through the money in a year with nothing else on the expensive sheet -- and they've got to eat. And be exercises. Housed. Vetinary exams. Trainer's fee... Ye gawds. The winner should receive a bonus guide to Chapter 11 filing. Edited to explain: Bill Veeck (Hall of Fame baseball team owner) ran a racetrack in the Boston area for two years during the 60s. He brought his unique sense of promotion to the job, and one of the things he gave away during a contest was the ownership of a racehorse for the remainder of his track's meet days. The winner received one horse. Bill paid the stable fees, trainer's fees, all entry fees for any race the winner placed the horse in, vet expenses -- anything connected to the costs of owning the horse, including getting the winner officially licensed. The winner received any winner's circle income from the horse's racing, and Bill would buy the horse from the winner at the end of the season, so some degree of income was guaranteed. All the pleasure with none of the costs. The winner, however, had a handicap: he was a true lover of racing. He put his horse into a few races and finished in the money, came by every day to visit the stall and do a rubdown --and, at the end of the season, refused to sell her to Bill. Instead, he invested the race money in new horses, started hiring people, and wound up with a mid-sized stable before he realized all the pleasure with all of the costs was rapidly driving him to bankruptcy. He liquidated and got enough for his horses to get most of his cash back, but he still lost money overall.
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01-09-05, 12:22 PM (EST)
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8. "Sell 'em? Good luck!" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-09-05 AT 12:22 PM (EST)Thanks for the perspective. In post #6, I've analyzed the horses in the stable, and none of them are worth very much. Probably only three or four can be run profitably. Sell and run would be a good strategy... except that the glue factory is the only place that would put much of a price on them. Reality shows that don't/didn't bite: Lost, The Amazing Race, Beg Borrow & Deal, The Wild Rules, I Wanna Date a Race Car Driver, American Dream Derby (pending)
Reality shows that bit but I watched anyway: Love Cruise, The Bachelor(ette), Joe Millionaire, Married By America
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realitybites 1174 desperate attention whore postings
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01-08-05, 03:41 PM (EST)
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5. "The Web site" |
GSN has set up an official Web site for the show, where you can get information about the show, its contestants, a bit about horse racing, the host, special guest singer LeeAnn Rimes, and even data about the horses.The stuff about the horses is by far the most interesting. They have the Daily Racing Form's past performances through the time they were purchased for the show. Some are definitely better than others. I'll have a more complete analysis for you later. Less interesting are the contestants, but they're a fairly diverse lot and score low on the Media Whore scale (most of them, anyway). Some look like they're a better fit for the show then others, and I'll analyze them in some detail later on. Reality shows that don't/didn't bite: Lost, The Amazing Race, Beg Borrow & Deal, The Wild Rules, I Wanna Date a Race Car Driver, American Dream Derby (pending)
Reality shows that bit but I watched anyway: Love Cruise, The Bachelor(ette), Joe Millionaire, Married By America
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01-09-05, 06:37 AM (EST)
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6. "The stars (very long)" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-09-05 AT 08:21 PM (EST)The main difference between reality shows and game shows, IMO, is that on reality shows, the contestants are the stars. They usually last long enough so that we get an idea of their skills, personality, etc. Everything and everyone else - the location, the host, the locals, and the game - are of secondary importance. On game shows, the game is the star, followed by the host, followed by the model(s) - if any. The contestants, unless unusually skilled, don't overshadow any of the regular elements. We generally aren't given enough information about them to feel like we know them to any degree. I'm going to boldly proclaim that on this reality/game show hybrid, the horses are going to be the stars. Not that the contestants are bad, but they're going to be up to tricks that we've seen on other shows. With that said, I'm going to go through the horses one by one, then the contestants. I'm at a disadvantage in that I don't know exactly how the show is supposed to work and what they'll be doing. I'll make some general statements that apply to all of these horses: a) They're not going to be running in the Kentucky Derby, or indeed, any race of any importance. None of them, ever. They're too old for the Triple Crown trio, but even if they weren't, these aren't really good performers.
b) Winning one of them or even the lot of them is going to be no great prize. None of them are worth more than about $20,000. Some of these horses can be profitable, but only with low expenses, good training and upkeep, picking good spots, and some luck. 1. Regal Cruiser - Has faced much tougher competition than most of this bunch. Decently valuable horse, BUT ONLY ON TURF. The ADD's big race at the end is on dirt, and that will probably make him look bad. 2. Sharp as a Fox - 3-year-old, so has some possible upside. She'd better show a lot of it, otherwise this horse is a waste of money to own or bet on. 3. Archie's Dream - A bit better than Sharp as a Fox, dismissed above. Not expecting much from him. Best at 6 1/2 to 7 furlongs. 4. Free to Please - A bit better than Archie's Dream, dismissed above. Could do some interesting things if the stars align exactly right. 5. Ready to Flirt - I've seen nothing here that I like. Pass. 6. Avenueofknowledge - Lightly raced 5-year-old. Has shown some improvement over his last few races. Might not be a total bum, but I have my doubts he can get further than 7 furlongs. 7. Kool Smoke - Not completely terrible, but tends to fall apart in races longer than 6 furlongs. 8. Triumphal Entry - They keep running him in long distance (mile+) races and he keeps doing nothing much. Might be OK on turf or at shorter distances, but I'd rather take that risk with someone else's money. 9. Nukidd - The record's not half bad, but it's all been against bottom-of-the-barrel competition. Lightly raced 3-year-old, could improve substantially. Might be worth taking a small flyer on. 10. Nigel No Mates - The one foreign horse in this crowd (he's from New Zealand), could make a case that he's the best horse in this stable. But he's only run on turf, and it might take a race or two for him to adjust to the dirt - if he ever does. Keep an eye on him. 11. Shoot Yeah - The second or third best miler on dirt of this group - which will be the conditions of ADD's big race. Can be a winner and a money maker under the right circumstances. 12. Crafty Value - The most consistent, proven horse at a mile on dirt. Three relatively minor concerns - (1) he's 4 years old and his improvement seems to have peaked out; this is probably as good as he gets, (2) he's raced a lot (25 times), so a breakdown is possible, but seems to be handling it well so far; (3) may be developing "sucker horse" tendencies. One win and 9 seconds doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in his willingness to win. 13. R Champ - His race on July 31 at Santa Rosa was, IMO, the best any of these horses have had. He led all the way and won by 3 1/2 lengths at a mile in a race that wasn't completely bottom-of-the barrel ($12,500 claimer against 3+ yo horses, non-winners of two lifetime). They switched him to turf on August 23 at Bay Meadows and he was having another big race, leading by two into the stretch... when he threw the rider off. Oops. His last two races have been inexplicably bad. Not as good as the proven horses here, but I'd rather take a chance on him than the ones who have proven nothing. 14. Big Wagner - One (relatively) big race on turf, otherwise nothing special. That makes him a contender in this group. 15. Lauren's Halo - There are some fillies that can race, and are even better than their male counterparts. This isn't one of them. To briefly summarize, here's how I'd rank the horses: Mile+ on dirt - Crafty Value, Shoot Yeah, R Champ
6-7 furlongs on dirt - Crafty Value, R Champ, Kool Smoke
Turf - Nigel No Mates, Regal Cruiser, Big Wagner And now the contestants. They list first and last names, which is unusual for a reality show. Without knowing much about what these guys are going to do, it's hard to handicap them. But I'll make a few comments: * Two of our contestants - Susan and Deanna - admitted to liking horses more than people. That's not a good sign about their chances. * Deanna, however, came in with a lot of knowledge about all the nuances of horse racing. That's very good. * Our two contestants of color - Jewel and LeVar, and Sara the model had NO experience with horses of any kind. That's not so good, but can be overcome. * Some of the comments on how they played the game reminded me of the sit and scheme shows that I avoid like the plague. I'd rather watch the horses eat than see that. The premiere is tomorrow, and I hope you join me in watching this show. Reality shows that don't/didn't bite: Lost, The Amazing Race, Beg Borrow & Deal, The Wild Rules, I Wanna Date a Race Car Driver, American Dream Derby (pending)
Reality shows that bit but I watched anyway: Love Cruise, The Bachelor(ette), Joe Millionaire, Married By America
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realitybites 1174 desperate attention whore postings
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01-09-05, 08:19 PM (EST)
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9. "Articles" |
Thanks to Sir Linksalot, I found two articles on the show. The first is "Win, Place, Show and Television" by Kathy Blumenstock of the Washington Post. NOTE: You need to register to view it, but registration is free. It features several soundbites from the contestants, one of the producers, and the host. No real spoilers, but it did have some interesting details about February 21's finale:* It's a live race, meaning it hasn't happened yet.
* The race distance 1 1/16 miles, about as I figured.
* Three finalists and five others chosen by the viewers each choose a horse to run. The other article is "An amazing race" by Pohla Smith of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. This is closer to a review than the other article, and he seemed to like the show, but then he also likes horse racing. There's a description of the challenges, along with this distressing quote: As in every reality show, partnerships and cliques form. It takes only a few minutes of the first episode to get an idea of how things are going to shape up. And as in every reality show, there are some seemingly cutthroat tactics. Also there's a villain, who in this series would more accurately be termed, well, it rhymes with witch. Ick. There may be some of you that this appeals to, but I've never been interested in that sort of thing. I hope it makes up as little of the show as possible. Reality shows that don't/didn't bite: Lost, The Amazing Race, Beg Borrow & Deal, The Wild Rules, I Wanna Date a Race Car Driver, American Dream Derby (pending)
Reality shows that bit but I watched anyway: Love Cruise, The Bachelor(ette), Joe Millionaire, Married By America
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01-11-05, 06:56 AM (EST)
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10. "Episode 1: Santa Anita Baby (Don't you know that I love you?)" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-11-05 AT 07:48 AM (EST)"All reality media whores report to the winners' circle". That's how the show started. Eventually 12 people admitted their whorishness and walked down to Santa Anita's winner circle, where they were greeted by Jeff/Phil wannabe Steve Santagati. If you've never heard of him, that's OK. I haven't either. Don't worry, we probably won't have to hear from him again. Before we get to the rules of the game, a few out-of-context quotes from our contestants: Susan - "Horses is all I care about". Well, it shows, because we're going to hear a lot more from you later.
David - "I feel like I'm going to win". I hear a certain Alanis Morrisette song in the background... we'll hear from you more later too.
Sara (aka "The Model") - "I applied for this show because I wanted to learn how to ride a horse." Um, hello? First of all, this is "American Dream Derby", not "American Jockey Search". And second, learning to ride is easy enough to do without being a media whore and all, so why do this? Why not just admit what you are? Anyway, Steve tells us that the contestants are playing for $250,000 and a stable of 8 horses. He did not mention, alas, the fine print. Supporting those eight horses will eat up 250k in about a year (thanks Estee), and the horses - collectively - will be worth no more than $50,000, if you could find a sucker to buy them. Ah well, there's always the glue factory. And isn't horse meat a delicacy in some nations? Two bucks a pound is more than some of these horses are worth. Steve continues to explain things - the players are given some opportunities to earn and bet money, and the one with the most cash gets first pick to try to find the least worthless nag in the big, huge, live race to end the season on February 21. He starts off by giving them each $1000 (don't underestimate how huge a deal this is for GSN; it's a large chunk of the budget for this show, and also the 12 grand handed out is about a buck per viewer) and telling them to bet on race #3 at Santa Anita. The person with the most money at the end of the race is the winner. This is the first of what is called the OWNERS' CHALLENGES. All surviving contestants get to participate in the owners' challenges. The winner in each challenge gets a $1000 bonus and can choose three people to bring with him up to the massa's house - I mean mansion. The people he/she brings gets $500 each. Everyone else gets to sleep in the slave quarters - I mean the stable. Back to this episode's owners' challenge. The race was fairly formful, as the top three betting picks went off in the first four places. The #2 pick, Apology Accepted, won by 7 lengths. Poor Tara C. managed to turn her $1000 into $80 faster than you can say, "I've got a hot tip!" Aaron with $190 and Tara W. with $380 were also in dire straits. Six others ended up with between $600 and $800. Deanna ended up third with $1060. But the battle at the top was close, with only $4 separating the winner from second. Susan ended up on top with $1240 with David in second at $1236. Susan, overlord of the moment chose to take David with her because she perceived him as the best player other than herself. She also took Tara W. and Aaron for reasons that will have to wait for Susan's autobiography. We then see scenes from the big house. It's very, um, mansiony, but probably a step down for your favorite movie star or pro athlete. Then we see scenes from the stable. This actually wasn't as bad as I expected - it was clean, at least, and not too cramped. In the stable we get to meet a couple of the real stars of the show - the horses. Deanna had some nice things to say about Crafty Value, while R Champ also got a little airtime. The stable guys didn't have to get by on oats; they were brought sandwiches (probably from the concession stand) and Diet Dr. Pepper (which is a sponsor of the show, so they got some random plugs which I'll try to avoid mentioning). The folks in the big house get much better looking food in much nicer surroundings. Then Steve stopped by and mentioned another feature of the game - the GUTS MATCH. Aaron said it ruined the mood, as it very well might. The GUTS MATCH is a head-to-head race between the horse the lead owner (or his representative) picks and the horse one of the stable folks picks. The winner gets $5000, the loser gets their bank account erased and has to leave the game. The owner can pick the horse him/herself or assign one of the others in the mansion to do so. That gives them all something to think about overnight. Night doesn't last long at the stable because trainer Alex Hassinger wakes up all our stable bunkers at 4:30 AM. They were none too pleased at this development. Everyone eventually goes over to Clocker's Corner, the place where horses go to work out. Alex introduced the horses to them (and us), most of them anyway. Susan does a little technical talking with Alex, trying to get any little edge. But generally, the owners' folks want to stick together as much as they can. After watching the workout, Steve stops by Santa Anita's Receiving Barn with the stable folks on one side and the owners on the other. We're getting ready for our first STABLE HANDS CHALLENGE. The stable hands challenge is a task attempted only by the unlucky folks assigned to the stable. The winner of each of these gets no money, but is the lead stable person for the GUTS MATCH. He or she, like the lead owner, can pick a horse him/herself or let someone else choose. An interesting aside is that the owners watch the stable hands and can bet up to $500 on the person they think will win. This stable hands challenge starts with stalls filled with "Married By America" DVDs, locked wheelbarrows, and some bins. Each contestant gets 5 minutes to a) find the key within the DVDs, b) load the DVDs into the wheelbarrow, c) wheel the wheelbarrow to the bin, and d) dump the DVDs into the bin. The person with the biggest steaming pile of DVDs wins. Sara commented that this challenge was very unhygienic. I'd have to agree. Anyway, the stable hands drifted into pairs. Chris & LeVar found the key first and loaded 245 stinkin' pounds into LeVar's bin. Tara C. and Eric found the key late and could only load 62 lbs worth. This meant that LeVar was the winner. On to Santa Anita's Chandelier Room, where the rose ceremony was to take place. Wait, is that another show? Sorry. Steve and Alex greet all the contestants here (they're all cleaned up and dressed in their Sunday best). This is where who runs in the guts match is decided. Susan picked David to represent the owners because she felt he was the best of them. It's a double-edged sword, as I've mentioned. LeVar picked Deanna because he felt she was the best of whom he had to choose from. Neither David nor Deanna had any complaints about their selection. Each competitor in the guts match - David and Deanna - had the chance to ask one question about any horse. Neither the questions nor the answers were very helpful, so let's skip to the horses they picked. David, as the owners' rep, got to pick first. He chose Avenueofknowledge, partly based on what he saw, partly based on what he found in the Daily Racing Form, and partly as a hunch. Deanna chose Crafty Value because she thought he was the best horse and was friendly to be with (she spent some time with him in the stable, remember?) Steve explained the rules of the GUTS MATCH to us. It's a 2 furlong race down the Santa Anita frontstretch, out of the gate. Everyone other than the two involved directly can bet up to $500 on either horse and be paid even money for a winner. As explained earlier, the winning owner gets a $5000 bonus, and the loser is "scratched from the game". Just doesn't have the same ring as "you have been eliminated from the race", does it? I don't think it's going to catch on. And they're off! Avenueofknowledge stumbles out of the gate allowing Crafty Value to get a bit of a lead. Avenueofknowledge caught up and was ahead part of the time, but not at the end as Crafty Value won by a head. Susan felt bad that she put David up to this, but oh well. Then she rubs her hand together, cackles, chants an incantation and we move on to the next episode.
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01-19-05, 10:47 AM (EST)
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38. "TOTALLY OUTRAGEOUS!!! VERY ENRAGED HERE!" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-19-05 AT 02:48 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 01-19-05 AT 10:49 AM (EST) LAST EDITED ON 01-19-05 AT 10:48 AM (EST) In your Article on the Summary of Episode One, this paragraph jumped out at me. Anyway, Steve tells us that the contestants are playing for $250,000 and a stable of 8 horses. He did not mention, alas, the fine print. Supporting those eight horses will eat up 250k in about a year (thanks Estee), and the horses - collectively - will be worth no more than $50,000, if you could find a sucker to buy them. Ah well, there's always the glue factory. And isn't horse meat a delicacy in some nations? Two bucks a pound is more than some of these horses are worth. The last statement there is totally uncalled for and RUDE! Horses are living, breathing beings and no matter WHAT they are worthy, pointing out that they could be sent to the GLUE factory is totally callous! What kind of person would say something like that!!!!!!!! Because of this statement, I have posted your "summary" on a few boards I frequent and I'm SURE you will be getting more emails about this.
You totally disgust me and I believe the horses need your apology! Even if a horse is only worth $500, that horse could very well be a wonderfully trained horse that someone could love and enjoy. Only horses that should be sent to slaughter factories are horses that can not be saved b/c of health issues. And I don't know where you come from, but here, $50,000 is a LOT for a horse!!!!
I have been around horses all my life and am totally disgusted by this statement!
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01-19-05, 03:15 PM (EST)
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73. "RE: WARNING" |
The article to which you are referring was written by a poster on these forums. Our webmaster routinely links such postings on our web page to highlight these efforts.Telling someone else they're being rude is bashing. Telling someone else their comments are disgusting is bashing. Saying "you totally disgust me" is bashing. Our summary writers volunteer their time and efforts. We don't expect everyone to like what they write, but we do expect posters to treat them appropriately. Saying "you totally disgust me" is not appropriate. There's no way to turn off notifications once you've turned them on. For more information, please check the Help Forum. Any further questions or comments should be done via email or PM - there are icons at the top of every post to be able to send a message, or to reach a mod, you can click on the name links on the Conferences page. Please remember that emails and PMs are under the same guidelines as community postings.
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01-19-05, 03:16 PM (EST)
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74. "RE: WARNING" |
If you cancel my membership, will they stop?
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01-20-05, 08:07 AM (EST)
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89. "RE: WARNING" |
CANCEL MY MEMBERSHIP RIGHT NOW!!!!!!
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01-20-05, 08:35 AM (EST)
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91. "RE: WARNING" |
Email the webmaster. You can post here all you want, but that's not going to change anything. That's why you were instructed to check out the Help Forum.
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01-20-05, 08:36 AM (EST)
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92. "RE: WARNING" |
You don't have to be so short with me. I DID check out the help forum and there wasn't a thing on it about how to stop the constant emails or cancel your membership.
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01-11-05, 06:59 AM (EST)
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11. "Episode 2: Shoot Me or Smoke Me" |
We go back to Clocker's Corner where the 11 remaining contestants take another look at their horses. So there's plenty of time for confessionals:Susan was miffed because Avenueofknowledge stumbled and if he hadn't done that, he would've won. Well, maybe or maybe not. Jewel noted that Deanna is a marked woman. LeVar didn't much care for Dean betting on Avenueofknowledge instead of the stable hands' horse. Steve comes back and tells us about today's OWNERS' CHALLENGE. The contestants race out of the gate, one at a time, half a furlong (110 yards) down the Santa Anita stretch. As you'd expect, the young guys did best, with Chris' 13.43 seconds best of all. It looks like he's the lead owner for today. But wait! Hold everything! Steve introduces us to "John" the handicapper. John doesn't break knees or elbows, he determines the weights for horses in handicap races at Santa Anita. And he's going to do the same for us, kinda sort of. He asked them about their exercise and diet habits and some other little things. Since Susan and Jewel were packin' enough poundage already, they didn't get any added weight.
Sara was given 10 extra pounds and both Taras hauled 15 pounds.
Dean's the oldest, heaviest contestant who's had two knee surgerys and survived a heart attack. He got 20 pounds.
Deanna got 30 and she let everyone know she didn't like that.
Aaron was weighed down with 90 pounds, LeVar and Eric were burdened with 100 lbs each, and poor Chris gets to lug around 120 big ones. This time they all go into the gate together, separate gates for each of them. And this time the first to the finish line wins the challenge. And they're off! Third place went to Tara. Second place was taken by Eric. And the winner was... Dean. Nice job. He picks Jewel, LeVar, and Chris to join him in the big house. One wonders if he had any regrets once he watched this episode... Everyone else goes to the stable. Aaron tries to forge an alliance with Deanna while staying connected with Susan. Is this the sort of stuff they pull on those sit-and-scheme shows? I don't watch them, so I don't know. I expect him to anoint himself the Chessmaster of this game at any time. Meanwhile, the owners celebrate their victory by having a nice meal in one of Santa Anita's luxury boxes (I think?). They agree to ally - for now, and they talk smack about Susan. And Susan talks about... Deanna. She says that her rival is too powerful, so she has to go. Yeah, keep racking up those brownie points, Susie. See where it gets you. Now we go to Santa Anita's walking ring, where the jockeys get on their horses for each race and the crowd gets one last look at the horses before they go into the gate. Alex tells them a little more about the horses and how to identify them. Speaking of which, identifying horses is part of the STABLE HAND CHALLENGE. The stable hands get to a) dunk their faces into a mixture of oats and chocolate to find a nameplate - kinda like bobbing for apples, but kinda not, b) race over to the horses' stalls, c) put the correct names on the correct stalls, and d) push a button. The best time that identifies all three horses correctly wins. The last three steps are very reminiscent of "The Price Is Right"'s Race Game, which used to be on GSN a few years ago. Tara C. ran the race in a decent 1:11. Sara followed with :58 - excellent, for a model. None of the other people could beat her time (Susan was especially slow) until Aaron turned a time of 53 seconds. So he's the leader of this group of losers for now. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, LeVar is lovin' the big house, especially the kitchen. Jewel enjoyed it too. Dean notes that nobody wanted to be picked for the guts match, so he says he's going to do what's best for him. At the stable, most everyone considers Deanna the real leader - despite Aaron's status. Eric said that Aaron is Susan's dummy. Now we go back to the Chandelier room with everyone all cleaned up and dressed up. Dean nomintes Jewel for the guts match. Aaron sends up Deanna to be sacrificed (hopefully). For the match race, Jewel picks Shoot Yeah as her horse. Deanna goes with Kool Smoke. Once again, Alex was available for questions. Jewel didn't ask any. Deanna asked about Free to Please and Alex was mildly encouraging about his chances to win, sometime. On the track, Jewel was encouraged by Shoot Yeah's look on the track but felt backstabbed by Dean because Shoot Yeah was one of his recommendations to her, but he didn't bet on him, preferring to bet on Kool Smoke. Almost everyone else bet on the horse of the clique they were in, in varying amounts. And away they go!! Neither horse stumbled this time, but Kool Smoke on the inside leaned into Shoot Yeah and they bumped. In a real race, this would be grounds for a stewards' inquiry and Kool Smoke would have a real shot at being disqualified. But I guess they didn't want to burden these neophytes with details like that (or they didn't notice or care), so Kool Smoke's length win was allowed to stand. Deanna's in the cat bird's seat with about $11,000. Unless she gets knocked out, she's almost sure to make the final three. Some guy (not sure if it was Eric or Chris) made some acidic comments about Deanna being lucky. Well, she is that, but she's also good. In the scenes for next week's episode, miscegenation foes faint at the sight of LeVar in the hot tub with at least three nubile, young, white ladies. And the rivalry between Sarah and Deanna gets taken up a notch.
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13. "RE: Thoughts after two eppies" |
I got through the first ninety minutes, then caught the winner of the second guts match (which I keep thinking should be spelled 'gutzmatc'. I like the backfire potential of the elimination: nominate someone you really want out, and their horse just might win the horse and put them at the top of the money list. And the main function of an alliance is keeping you from getting to the money, or just possibly going for it when you feel a horse can't lose -- which is naturally when you're skunked.I don't like the betting on stablehand events, mostly because it's a good way to drop your bankroll in a hurry, and getting even odds on everyone means that even if you guessed right, the payoff is barely worth the risk. The contests look like pretty standard reality fare with the racing elements added -- a racetrack regular could probably predict all of them in advance. (That's not even remotely me, but someone can do it.) There's probably a shoeing contest coming up. Steaming pile of DVDs... *snark*
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15. "Betting" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-11-05 AT 02:40 PM (EST)>I don't like the betting on stablehand events, mostly
>because it's a good way to drop your bankroll in a hurry,
>and getting even odds on everyone means that even if
>you guessed right, the payoff is barely worth the risk. The stable hand betting looks like a sucker's bet, because you get paid even money on something that should pay a lot better (depending on how many contestants there are). It's optional, I think, and none of them should do it, ever. I'm guessing some of them will learn it quicker than others. Reality shows that don't/didn't bite: Lost, The Amazing Race, Beg Borrow & Deal, The Wild Rules, I Wanna Date a Race Car Driver, American Dream Derby
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14. "RE: Thoughts after two eppies" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-11-05 AT 11:23 AM (EST)I watched The Bachelorette live, but caught this show on the DVR after The Bachelorette ended (GSN is only part of my cable company's digital platform and I only finally got digital cable this fall, so I'll confess, I had no clue what the heck channel GSN was and this was my first time ever actually watching it.) All in all, I know very little about horseracing (although that did do some consulting work for a local horsetrack building a live odds/results web application last year, so at least I have some idea on the terminology) and I thought the show was pretty enjoyable. I do think the Fear Factor-like gross stablehand challenges are going to get old quick -- gross-out challenges wouldn't seem to be a good fit for this show, but for some reason they felt the need to do them (I enjoyed the owner challenges much more -- the handicapped people race was very funny... although I have to agree that some of the handicapping seemed off.) I also have to say that based on my limited time spent hanging around the track and stables (my project required numerous onsite visits, so I ended up getting tours of just about everything, including multiple visits to the stables where one of the folks I was working with owned several horses) most of the horse folks I've seen look more like the handicapper and less like the good looking horse trainer that keeps popping up -- maybe it's just me, but I kept getting the feeling that they called up Central Casting for him, but perhaps the sterotypes are different in a California track like Santa Anita. Anyways, I did enjoy the show, and while it's not appointment viewing, I did get the DVR up to record the entire series and do plan on trying to check them out. One other thing I don't get is that importance of the betting aspect -- you don't appear to actually win any of the ADD dollars you earn, and not only doesn't it have ANY impact on the elimination format, but you also don't appear to be able to bet them in the final live race. Instead, if I understand right, all that the ADD money is used for is getting to determine WHICH remaining contestant gets their first choice of horses to bet on when the live finale race runs. I mean am I missing something or is that it? ...and given that in both guts races that were broadcast last night, we never had a situation where both contestants appeared to want the same horse, is that really a big deal?
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16. "The trainers and other things" |
>I do think the Fear Factor-like gross stablehand challenges are
>going to get old quick -- gross-out challenges wouldn't seem to
>be a good fit for this show, but for some reason they felt the
>need to do them (I enjoyed the owner challenges much more
>-- the handicapped people race was very funny... although I
>have to agree that some of the handicapping seemed off.) I actually think they fit better here than on a show like, say, The Amazing Race. Horses do make messes and stables aren't the most pleasant places in the world. The challenges are exaggerated for dramatic effect, of course. I agree with you about the owner challenges, though I enjoyed the betting one more than the handicap sprint. >I also have to say that based on my limited time
>spent hanging around the track and stables (my project required
>numerous onsite visits, so I ended up getting tours of
>just about everything, including multiple visits to the stables
>where one of the folks I was working with owned several
>horses) most of the horse folks I've seen look more like the
>handicapper and less like the good looking horse trainer that
>keeps popping up -- maybe it's just me, but I kept getting the
>feeling that they called up Central Casting for him, but
>perhaps the sterotypes are different in a California track like
>Santa Anita. Alex Hassinger is a real trainer, believe it or not. You can read the details on GSN's Web site. And because things are not as they seem, there are actually TWO trainers - one you see (Alex) and one you don't. The one you don't is Ron Ellis, who I'd actually heard of. He's a trainer of some prestige and lots of experience. They could have done a lot worse. Ellis actually trained some of the better horses in the stable before they came under the game's control. I'm sure we don't see him because he looks more like "John" than Alex. >One other thing I don't get is that importance of the
>betting aspect (snip) Your explanation is correct. The amount of money each contestant has earned determines who is in the final race. The top three get there automatically, and the other five have to be voted in. I don't think anyone gets to keep the money, and I'm not sure you'd want to bet on the final race if you're a contestant - you're already risking everything. > ...and given that in both guts races that were broadcast last
>night, we never had a situation where both contestants appeared
>to want the same horse, is that really a big deal? Getting the first choice of horses is a pretty big deal in both the match races and the big race at the end. There's a substantial difference between the best and worst horses in the stable, and there can be a noticeable difference between #1 and #2. The contestants can't pick the same horse even if they wanted to because there's a strict order of picking - in the match race, the owners' rep picks first, then the stable rep. And I assume in the big race, the top three in money pick 1, 2, and 3. Reality shows that don't/didn't bite: Lost, The Amazing Race, Beg Borrow & Deal, The Wild Rules, I Wanna Date a Race Car Driver, American Dream Derby
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17. "RE: The trainers and other things" |
>>One other thing I don't get is that importance of the
>>betting aspect
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>(snip)
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>Your explanation is correct. The amount of money each contestant
>has earned determines who is in the final race.
>The top three get there automatically, and the other five
>have to be voted in. I don't think anyone
>gets to keep the money, and I'm not sure you'd
>want to bet on the final race if you're a
>contestant - you're already risking everything. Wait, are you saying eight contestants survive to compete in the finale race??? Then, given that there were only twelve contestants to begin with and two are already gone with six episodes left to air, what are they going to do once two more contestants get booted? And who "votes" the other five in -- the top three? The viewers? Unless I missed a segment, none of this was explained on the broadcast -- a little bit of clarification on the compeition's format would definitely have helped (as would, IMHO, a 15 second voice-over or scene showing one of the expert handicappers explaining the whole meaning of win, place, show to one of the gambling newbies during the initial owners challenge.) Given its setting, I think the show would are flowed much better if they'd introduced a The Amazing Race-like "A roadblock is a challenge that..." voiceover for some of these things -- I know I counted two little popunder explanations of two racing phrases that the contestants used, but more clarification would have helped. >> ...and given that in both guts races that were broadcast last
>>night, we never had a situation where both contestants appeared
>>to want the same horse, is that really a big deal?
>
>Getting the first choice of horses is a pretty big deal
>in both the match races and the big race at
>the end. There's a substantial difference between the best
>and worst horses in the stable, and there can be
>a noticeable difference between #1
>and #2.
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>The contestants can't pick the same horse even if they wanted
>to because there's a strict order of picking - in
>the match race, the owners' rep picks first, then the
>stable rep. And I assume in the big race,
>the top three in money pick 1, 2, and 3. I must have missed the part where they mentioned owner's reps always went first -- personally you'd think that the person with the most money (even if they are a stablehand) would get first choice. I just think that the money that everyone is seemingly so concerned about with every passing moment jsut seems to play too little a role in the day-to-day gameplay, so the point that not one of the four contestants that has had a chance to earn money in a match race has chosen to do so. At minimum, it should cost you money to "hire" an owner's rep (after all, aren't owner's reps paid in the real world?) The idea that you can continue to compete in the game week after week even if you don't have $1 is something I see as a major weakness -- it gives folks little incentive to compete in match races.
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18. "RE: The trainers and other things" |
>Wait, are you saying eight contestants survive to compete in the
>finale race??? Well, I wouldn't say "survive" is the right word, but eight of the contestants will be competing in the final race. >Then, given that there were only twelve contestants to begin
>with and two are already gone with six episodes left to
>air, what are they going to do once two more contestants get
>booted? And who "votes" the other five in -- the top three?
> The viewers? Yes, the viewers get the vote the other five in. Details to be announced I'm sure. >Unless I missed a segment, none of this was explained on
>the broadcast -- a little bit of clarification on the
>compeition's format would definitely have helped (as would,
>IMHO, a 15 second voice-over or scene showing one of the expert
>handicappers explaining the whole meaning of win, place, show to
>one of the gambling newbies during the initial owners
>challenge.) Agree on both counts. They haven't explained it yet, but I'm sure they'll get to it. >I must have missed the part where they mentioned owner's reps
>always went first -- personally you'd think that the person
>with the most money (even if they are a stablehand)
>would get first choice. Susan briefly mentioned it in the second episode. I agree with this, actually - the owners' challenge is the most important one, and the owner should get the first shot at the horse he/she thinks will win. >I just think that the money that everyone is seemingly so
>concerned about with every passing moment jsut seems to play
>too little a role in the day-to-day gameplay, so the
>point that not one of the four contestants that has
>had a chance to earn money in a match race has chosen to do so.
> At minimum, it should cost you money to "hire" an owner's rep
>(after all, aren't owner's reps paid in the real world?) The
>idea that you can continue to compete in the game week after
>week even if you don't have $1 is something I see as a
>major weakness -- it gives folks little incentive to compete
>in match races. I think the money will play a bigger role in later episodes as people jockey for one of the top three positions. The winner of the match race gets $5000, and I'm guessing there aren't going to be a whole lot of other opportunities to make that kind of money. Once the contestants get to know the horses better and learn how to handicap better, the smarter ones are going to take the risk - especially if they're owners and get to pick first. On the other point, I'm not sure if someone who busts out can actually stay on the show; haven't seen it yet. Reality shows that don't/didn't bite: Lost, The Amazing Race, Beg Borrow & Deal, The Wild Rules, I Wanna Date a Race Car Driver, American Dream Derby
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19. "More articles" |
After doing a sweep at Sir Linksalot, I came up with three more articles on the show.The first one, "They've Got the Horse Right There and It's Real" by Anita Gates of the New York Times, is more of an overview of the first episode than a review. Still, she seemed to like it. BTW, you'll have to register to read the article; it's free though. The second one, "Delawareans on new reality show" by Gary Mullinax of the Wilmington {DE) News Journal, is a more personal look at the two Delawareans on the show - David Malatesta and Aaron Coen. It's mostly about their families and past racing experience (David had a lot, Aaron relatively little), but there are some tidbits about the show thrown in. For example, they were taping the show during the election. Briefly mentioned is the fact that ADD master (for now) Deanna Manfredi lives just a few miles from the Delaware border. Go read this one if you have time; it'll take just a couple of minutes. The last article is "GSN, A&E gamble on new reality TV shows" by Tom Jicha of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel. This is a more conventional review, and it's generally negative. He noted that there's too much reality stuff for horse racing fans, and not enough explanation of what's going on for the reality fans. He has a point there. Reality shows that don't/didn't bite: Lost, The Amazing Race, Beg Borrow & Deal, The Wild Rules, I Wanna Date a Race Car Driver, American Dream Derby
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21. "Thank you" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-14-05 AT 01:56 PM (EST)Thanks for sharing. That's kind of the way I thought it would work. ETA: Wait a second... Slavin. I've heard that name before. Sara? Is that you? If so, welcome aboard. If not, then the same applies. Reality shows that don't/didn't bite: Lost, The Amazing Race, Beg Borrow & Deal, The Wild Rules, I Wanna Date a Race Car Driver, American Dream Derby
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23. "Welcome" |
I'd like to officially welcome you to Reality TV World, Sara. Stick around awhile; we can learn a lot from you, and maybe you might learn a thing or two from us. We're relatively friendly here and don't bite, much. Oh yeah, bring your friends; we'd like to hear from them too.I'll buy your defense in regards to riding horses. So now the question is, are you still interested in riding after all you've been through? >As far as media whores go, I think every person there
>with the exception of 2 or 3 was genuinely interested
>in the horses. The other 2 or 3 were genuinely interested in
>the money. I don't think there's one person (actually maybe
>one) who was there for the press. If we were, we would have
>gone for something a little more high profile. I have a great amount of respect for people who go onto game shows of any kind for the money. There's nothing wrong with enriching yourself financially in my eyes. As for the media whorishness of your group, we'll see who goes back to their normal lives and who stays in L.A. >I also want to clear up another point...Ron Ellis. His
>looks are Clint Eastwood-esque. He's a very handsome man. Thanks for clearing that up. That makes it more mysterious why they won't show him. Perhaps because he's a busy man who couldn't fit himself into GSN's schedule.
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25. "RE: Welcome" |
btw: we only had about 25 minutes to get cleaned up and into our "sunday best" after the stall mucking challenge. gross.
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58. "RE: Welcome" |
Eww gross. I have another question, but I don't know if you can answer it or not. When they had the match races, do you have any idea who the riders were? They had said at some point that "professional jockeys" were going to ride them. But the fact that they didn't show their faces hardly at all, and the fact that I didn't really recognize them when they did show them for split seconds, makes me believe they weren't famous or well-known riders.
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33. "RE: Welcome" |
Hey Sara!That's so cool that you popped on to this site and posted some things. I'm looking forward to hearing more from you as the show progresses. From what I've seen so far, I think you are a great person and seem to be very genuine about everything. I thought it was so cute when you were upset after someone got eliminated. Anyway, I'll be rooting for you all the way. I plan on visiting Santa Anita for the final race, and hope to see you out there competing! And hopefully without sounding like too much of a dumbass, can I say that you are a beautiful girl. I was out at Santa Anita when they were taking signups for this show, and I think I could have done really well (at least on the horse part, don't know about the whole alliance stuff)... although I'm not sure if I would have been eligible for various reasons. You know, like when they have contests and stuff, they say "employees of blah blah and anyone affiliated with blah blah are not eligible". As for the thing about Alex and Ron, I too was surprised to find Ron wasn't going to be the on-camera guy, especially since he was the one actually doing the training. Not only that, but he has TV experience in his past. I read an article where Ron was quoted as saying "I guess I wasn't what they were looking for." I guess that meant they wanted a younger dude like Alex. If you (or anyone) have any questions about the whole horse racing or betting aspect, I'd be glad to help, as I have a really firm grasp on most things of that nature. I hope that didn't sound too conceited... You guys seem to know what's going on for sure, but just in case I thought I'd offer since I like to think I'm a so-called expert.
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28. "RE: American Dream Derby" |
Hey Sara,You seem like a good sport and I hope you take the crown... Do some homework for the final event because I really think that Avenue of Knowledge looks the best on paper but is certainly beatable, especially laid off like that in a 12 horse field. Anywho I have a question, how many people went to LA for interviews for the casting call? I was a semi-finalist but never made it to LA (but ran around filling out apps and sending overnights for a week). Just curious - the casting liason I was in contact to was elusive to say the least. Also, you're the only reason I'm watching the show, hands down, because you seem genuine and are also a piece of a$$. That's great, good luck... SM
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30. "RE: American Dream Derby" |
Ohmigod those things were ridiculous. After they gave me their overnight number and I filled out that GIGANTIC background check I thought I was at least headed to LA for an interview, but alas, it was not mean to be...the letter they sent me (which was signed in ink "THE AMERICAN DREAM DERBY" - hmmm... is that a person's name?) said I was in the 'top 35', so I guess I was close... I was kind of bugging them because I had was heading to Miami Beach for vaca during the interviews, and finally they were all 'we have your cell phone and as of right now we're all set so have fun in Miami'! I drowned my sorrows at the beach while the Sox won the World Series...Its funny that you say that because I'd be 'David' w/out question. I'm a little younger (27) and from the east coast (Boston), but aside from that we are strikingly similar as far as appearances and background is concerned. I don't have family in the business, though, like him. I went to school in Saratoga, NY, where the racetrack is, so my background is w/ handicapping, stakes races, horses, trainers, jocks, etc. OK - answer to your question... by now you probably know that races tend to develop based upon the pace of a race. That's why the 'guts' matches are somewhat difficult to get a feel for the races because going 2 panels (2 Furlongs = 1/4 mile.... 1 furlong=1 panel=1/8 of a mile) is really not very indicative of an actual race - especially one at 1 mile and 1/16th... David seleced Avenue because on paper he's definitely the best horse, but at 2fs you need a horse that's simply quick out of the gate (i.e. look at Kool Smoke's form he's always on the lead at the 1st call). Look at the Racing Form - under 1C (that means 1st call) you can see what position the horse is in and by how many lengths... 1st Call is taken at the quarter pole which is 2 Furlongs from the finish... Now "especially laid off like that in a 12 horse field"... that means that these horses really haven't and won't run anything even resembling a Mile and a 1/16th route race for close to 4 months (that's a lot of time away from a real race) actual races take ALOT out of a horse - its nothing like a workout or a guts match... so sure the horse will be 'fresh' but will he be in form...? that's the question... since these horses are really just some fairly cheap claimers or low level allowance types (meaning they're worth about about $20K to $30K each, and if you dont have first pick, and there are 8 horses who havent run in a while... id probably go for a horse that would like to be close to the lead, for sure... I hope this isn't really really boring. Here's my questions - what's the story behind that sexy tatoo? What does it say and why?
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31. "RE: American Dream Derby" |
Not boring at all. I want to know how you came up with Avenue of Knowledge being the best horse. I didn't figure him to be at all...maybe you're seeing something that I'm missing.That sucks that you went through all of the paperwork for nothing. Hopefully if you had made it on the show, you would have lasted a bit longer than David. I wonder who my alter-ego was? There is no real story behind the tattoo. I was a Freshman in college and decided to get one spur of the moment. I picked off the board when I got there. My friends were all so shocked when I came back! It doesn't say anything, it's just a little design. You can see it better here: http://www.onemodelplace.com/member.cfm?ID=36817
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35. "RE: American Dream Derby" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-19-05 AT 04:48 AM (EST)Hope no one minds if I but in. I don't know that I'd say Avenueofknowledge is the best horse on paper. Maybe he is one of the fastest, since he was able to show speed in Southern California races, but at 1 1/16 miles, I would definitely be looking to beat him. He's quit rather badly at all his races longer than 6f or so. Perhaps he is a bit "classier" than some of the others, and I use that term loosely. He has finished in the money in some decent races, and his form has gone upward in his last few, with some improved figures. But for the final race, I would be picking against him especially since there figures to be other speed in the race, and horses with more stamina than him. At the conditions of the final race, I would definitely lean towards Crafty Value. He is a bit cheap, but his numbers stack up nicely. Not only is he one of only a few proven at that distance on the dirt, but he seems to have versatile style that should play well in an 8-horse field that will likely be filled with speed types. Doesn't have to be on the lead, and can finish a bit. P. S. Beautiful pics! I admit I was curious about the tattoo as well.
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42. "RE: American Dream Derby" |
I agree with you about Crafty Value. He will get snatched right up.
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37. "RE: American Dream Derby" |
yeah... I'm sure there were a couple of attractive young female types w/ limited knowledge of the game (no offense) out getting interviews as well, but they came up with you...kind of an interesting thought... The race coming up is very unique due to several factors, but there are certainly several angles to attack it... I mentioned the layoff earlier, also the distance needs to be factored in, and the fact that in all honesty the horses they've compiled just aren't that good... 2 Furlongs vs. 1 1/16th Mile is a huge difference... so starting w/ a horse that has or looks like he actually might be able to simply get the 1 1/16 distance is a good place to start... I'll have to look at the sheets a little more, and also I use another resource (brisnet sheets) which is like the DRF but has some different information on it (like pace #s and different speed values/ variants/ etc.) that I could share with you. If this really is you, which for some reason I tend to believe it is, I'd love to help out... than I have someone to really root for... also, the fact that they picked Aaron over me makes me nauseous... although I guess SOMEBODY has to play the manipulative gay male... David was the best handicapper on the show it was no coincidence that he picked AOK... just got real unlucky during his match but hey, that's horseracing... at that point was it 100% clear they were only going 2Fs for the match? because it looks like Kool Smoke is the quickest out of the box and should have been the first picked... sara - where did you go to college? do you live in the City, now? if you've gotten kicked off by now there's absolutely no way you won't get put back on for the final match, so I'd definitely start thinking about making a list of your top 8 horses..
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71. "RE: American Dream Derby" |
SG - where are you located and what tracks do you frequent? Im a Saratoga guy for the most part and now that Brisbet has magna tracks I dont have to leave my apartment... Suffolk Downs makes me want to throw up all over myself, so I avoid it... 3 YO class look stellar this year... Don't count out Todd Pletcher, either, hasn't shown too much this year, save Proud Accolade, but I remember from the summer that had a TON of classy 2 YOs... Im sure he's got something up his sleeve...
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76. "RE: American Dream Derby" |
SS -I am in Southern California, specifically Orange County. My circuit is the standard SoCal circuit - Santa Anita, Hollywood Park, Del Mar. In fact, I was just at SA today. Been involved in racing as a fan literally since I was 3 (so 20+ years now). I'm diehard... And lately have been involved as more of a handicapper, and a part-time owner as well. I have TVG, so I can sit at home and watch all the tracks EXCEPT for the Magna ones. So boo. But I visit the track or the off-track site several days a week, so I get my fill. That's cool that you go to Saratoga. I have a friend who lives in upstate NY, and he visits Saratoga quite often during the racing season. I know Pletcher is loaded with young guns. I will be a homer and say the best 3yo's are in the west right now, but that easily could be wrong. Pletcher has that horse Harlington (out of Serena's Song). He wasn't impressive at all when he broke his maiden. But man did he improve in his last start at Gulfstream. He looks like he could be a star.
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118. "RE: American Dream Derby" |
slavin,Don't worry about BRISnet sheets and all that ancillary information. These horses are running just two furlongs! This is nothing short of a workout (most horses work a minimum of three furlongs and longer). These short gallops can be determined by these workout riders without effort. Do you think that any decent trainer would ask a horse for it's all for the purpose of this show? YOU are the only reason to view this silliness as it's an insult to the fabric of horse racing. You appear to be, consistently, a truly nice person and the ONLY thing to look at except for the cameo appearance by Kona Gold. Hopefully you'll be at the last dance and that LeVar character will stop playing his foolish head games with you. Enjoy the nice sleeping arrangements and food and ignore that genius. Hopefully this exposure will be a springboard for future opportunities because except for the grand money prize, you don't want a stable with any of these horses. I've seen their past performances and the limited chance of any purse earnings will be hugely outweighed by the care, upkeep, and most of all, vet bills. The vet bills for these cheapies alone will choke an elephant. Good luck Slavin and I'll keep watching this mindless insanity until, unfortunately, you are possibly eliminated. Remember, if a horse is galloping only two furlongs, anyone can and will come out on top regardless of their form or where their from. You mentioned in the last episode that you have a website. Any chance you will let us know at any stage of the series? Thanks again Slaven for giving me something to look forward to on a Monday night!
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27. "Episode 3: The Great Steaks Race" |
Previously on America's best reality/game show/horse racing hybrid (also the only reality/game show/horse racing hybrid): Dean won a handicapped sprint and took his friends to the big house, Aaron won the stable hand challenge, Jewel and Deanna were asked to pick the horses, with Jewel on the losing end.Since we have some time to kill before the action, let's take some quotes out of context: Aaron thinks that Deanna's success is due to pure luck and that she's definitely a loser. Then how come she has all the money, huh? Answer me that one. Susan is skeptical that Deanna can keep her winning run going. Fair enough, but her position is a lot stronger than yours. Dean likes being friends with big, young, handsome bucks like LeVar and Chris. I'm not touching that one. LeVar repeats the point that Aaron is Susan's puppet. OK, enough dillydallying. Steve says it's time for this week's OWNERS' CHALLENGE, and who am I to argue with him. This week it's relatively simple. Horse racing questions will show on the Santa Anita jumbotron. All the answers are numbers. The first person in line gets to answer. If he or she right, he/she gets to pick a person to eliminate from the challenge (only, not the entire game) and a new question is asked. If not, Steve would announce higher or lower and go to the next person. Similar to "The Price Is Right"'s Clock Game, only this is not timed. The last person standing is the owner for the week. Not surprisingly, Deanna, Dean, and Susan were the first people eliminated. Thanks to a good position, a little knowledge, and a whole lot of luck, Sara answered the last three questions correctly. She became the lead owner, and she took Tara (C), LeVar, and Eric with her. We next see our lucky owners trying out the mansion's hot tub. LeVar enjoyed being there - probably more for the view than the soothing experience of the warm water. Did I say that Tara and Sara were in bikinis? To fill in an extra minute between commercials, they did a mini-profile of Sara. She says she admires horses but didn't have a lot of experience with them. She also notes that the money is too much for her to think about now. Sara and LeVar both noted that they click with each other. I was expecting a little more, but (1) "The Bachelor(ette)" is on another network, and (2) GSN needs all the viewers they can get, so p'ing off the odd redneck is unwise. Meanwhile, trainer Alex puts our unlucky stable hands to work - they get to feather the stables with clean straw for the horses to lie on, and clean out the feed tubs for the horses to eat from. And back at the mansion, they sit around and dis the poor people in the stable. At the stable, the talkers talk ill of Sara. They're convinced she picked the wrong people - that is, the people who didn't know a Daily Racing Form from a form letter. Deanna is miffed that she wasn't picked to head to the big house, but more miffed about Aaron & Susan's little talks. She is tired of being in the hot seat and hopes to be in a position to get out of it. Then the talk turns to everyone's favorite, Susan. No one in the big house likes her. Deanna thinks she's loud and obsessed with the game. In a sidebar, Aaron says he doesn't like Deanna. A little bit later, Aaron gets a mini-profile. He has all kinds of experience with horses, except for everything to do with horse racing. His favorite TV show is "Golden Girls", which is an odd choice for any number of reasons. Use your imagination. Our next STABLE HANDS' CHALLENGE takes place in the Director's Room, which is a large step up from the stable. Steve told them the rules of this contest - they'd watch a steak eating contest and they had to pick who would win, and the time it would take them to finish. The one with the right participant and the closest time becomes the lead stable hand. LeAnn Rimes stopped by to give them a few details about our competitors. Chris was wowed to be in the presence of such a wonderful singer. I prefer Reba myself, but country really isn't my thing. The twist was the people who would be competing in the steak eating contest would be our owners' reps, who didn't know they were participating in a contest. The votes were split evenly between Eric and LeVar, so it would come down to times. While watching this, I realized that it's a lot more fun to eat a steak dinner than to watch it on TV. But our stable hands seem to get a big kick out of it. LeVar is the first to finish his steak in 11:55. Deanna's time was the closest to the actual, so she gets to be lead owner. She liked that a lot. Then Steve tells the owners what was up, and allows them the opportunity to bet on who won. LeVar wisely refuses. The others are wrong. Night falls over the Santa Anita area, and everyone thinks about the upcoming GUTS MATCH. Eric tells Sara that he wants to go for the challenge. She seems inclined to pick him, but later expresses nervousness at the possibility that Eric might lose. I think she skipped out on Ruthlessness 101, and in particular the "Screw Thy Neighbor" lecture. Things were much more convoluted at the stable. Deanna expresses glee at putting up "powerless stable hand" Susan, saying that it is best for everyone if she departs the scene. Aaron and Susan strategize behind the barn and away from everyone else, clutching their Daily Racing Forms. Now one last mini-profile on Susan. She wasn't good at math until her father took her to the track and made her cacluate some odds and payouts. Awww, isn't that special? OK, back to the Chandelier Room. As expected, Sara picks Eric. He's not worried and thinks he will win. Do I hear Alanis in the background again? But Deanna does the unexpected - she chooses Susan's puppet Aaron. Alex tells us that there are six scratches for this race and opens himself up for questions. Yada yada yada. Eric picks Free To Please. Aaron chooses Sharp As A Fox. Deanna says some unkind thngs about Susan, Aaron, and their alliance. She doesn't like them very much, does she? Aaron explains some of his logic for his pick - Sharp As A Fox was a mean one in the stable, and he felt it might translate to good performance on the track. Yeah right. Only two players bet on his horse, and one of them was lead pupeteer Susan. Nags away! This time there were no stumbles and no bumps. Sharp As A Fox was ahead halfway through, but Free To Please showed his (relative) class, pulled away, and won by a length and a half. Susan took Aaron's loss very hard. He responded by saying some nice things about her before departing. Deanna was happy to be off the radar for a week. But next week is a different story...
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32. "RE: Episode 3: The Great Steaks Race" |
Hey guys. I'm new on these forums, but I had to register because it's the only one I know that exists for this show. As a lifelong fan of racing and someone who is extremely familiar with both Santa Anita and the horses in this show, it's cool there is some place to talk about it. Anyhow, a few comments...
>Aaron thinks that Deanna's success is
>due to pure luck and
>that she's definitely a loser.
> Then how come she
>has all the money, huh?
> Answer me that one.
I can agree with Aaron for thinking she was lucky on the first race. I believe most would agree that Avenueofknowledge would have won that race with a clean start. I have no idea how he claims she was lucky on the second one. Maybe because Jewel picked an overmatched horse? I think he referred to something like "the other player chose the wrong horse" or something like that. That's not really luck, is it? >
>We next see our lucky owners
>trying out the mansion's hot
>tub. LeVar enjoyed being
>there - probably more for
>the view than the soothing
>experience of the warm water.
> Did I say that
>Tara and Sara were in
>bikinis?
> That was more than I was planning on seeing on a show supposedly focusing on horses, but hey I'm not complaining. Sara is quite beautiful.  I do believe I read on an earlier episode review, that you claimed Levar would be in the hot tub with "at least 3 other ladies"? I don't know if that's a compliment or a slam on Eric.  >Alex tells us that there are
>six scratches for this race
>and opens himself up for
>questions. Yada yada yada.
> Eric picks Free To
>Please. Aaron chooses Sharp
>As A Fox. He said there are six scratches, yet only 4 horses had run prior to this episode. It would have been nice if he had said who the other 2 were. Although it was nice that they clarified that horses who had run previously were not eligible for a while. I was wondering why they didn't say that on the last show. As for the horse picks, I was glad to see someone finally picked Free To Please. Even though he is cheap and a maiden, he appeared to be easily one of the fastest horses in the show for 2 furlongs. I thought he could have won any of the races so far with his 21 and change speed. Lord knows why Aaron picked Sharp As A Fox. Like I said, I know all these horses... and she honestly had to be one of the bottom two or three there. And at 2f, she was at an even bigger disadvantage since she had been running in route races and had never showed much in the way of speed. Aaron and Susie were outside talking about horses, and they were both convinced someone could beat Free To Please. I heard this filly mentioned, and I was like wtf. I believe later on, she said she would have picked Regal Cruiser. That dumbfounds me as well. >Aaron explains some of his logic
>for his pick - Sharp
>As A Fox was a
>mean one in the stable,
>and he felt it might
>translate to good performance on
>the track. Yeah right.
> Only two players bet
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>of them was lead pupeteer
>Susan. Yep, it's pretty clear who was the better horse when pretty much everyone bet the max on Free To Please.
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36. "Welcome SG1577" |
Welcome aboard, SG1577. I hope you find what you're looking for here. We're pretty nice.>>We next see our lucky owners trying out the mansion's hot
>>tub. LeVar enjoyed being there - probably more for
>>the view than the soothing experience of the warm water.
>> Did I say that Tara and Sara were in bikinis?
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>That was more than I was planning on seeing on a
>show supposedly focusing on horses, but hey I'm not complaining.
> Sara is quite beautiful.
> She is indeed. >I do believe I read on an earlier episode review, that
>you claimed Levar would be in the hot tub with "at least 3 other
>ladies"? I don't know if that's a compliment or a slam on Eric. Blame it on an optical illusion. In the previews I could see Sara and Tara, and part of the back of someone else. I assumed it was another lady. My fault. >He said there are six scratches, yet only 4 horses had
>run prior to this episode. It would have been
>nice if he had said who the other 2 were.
> Although it was nice that they clarified that horses
>who had run previously were not eligible for a while.
> I was wondering why they didn't say that on the last show. I agree it would have been nice if they had mentioned who the other scratches were and why. As for your picks in the match race, it's always interesting to see analysis from someone else. The DRF tells almost everything about what the horses have done in the past, but (1) it can't predict the future, and (2) little things can be interpreted in many different ways. I don't claim to be an expert handicapper by any means, but I fail to share your enthusiasm about Free to Please. He looks decent for two furlongs, but I think he can be beaten even at that distance. Big Wagner could've done it, along with R Champ, and possibly Nigel No Mates. I do agree that Regal Cruiser couldn't have done it, and that Sharp as a Fox is one of the worst horses in the barn. Speaking of R Champ, it amazes me that no one's asked the $250,000 question - what happened to him after he ditched the rider?? He's fallen way off form since then. If he can bounce back, he'd be the most valuable horse in the stable.
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41. "RE: Welcome SG1577" |
Okay, wow, so much to say this time.First, thank you for all of the nice compliments and support! The other two scratches were RChamp and Big Wagner because they had been raced the weekend prior to the show starting. Those two horses, along with Lauren's Halo were late additions to the ADD stable. So, reality bites, 2 of your 3 choices were out. I loved Nigel from Day One. He is, without competition, the most beautiful horse in the barn. He just looks like an incredible athlete. But he was too much of a wild card to risk going home on. I couldn't beleive Aaron picked Sharp as a Fox either! We were all like, "Whaaaatttt??!!" She is HUGE though. Bigger than a lot of the Geldings.
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46. "RE: Welcome SG1577" |
>The other two scratches were RChamp and Big Wagner because they
>had been raced the weekend prior to the show starting.
> Those two horses, along with Lauren's Halo were late
>additions to the ADD stable.
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>So, reality bites, 2 of your 3 choices were out. Interesting. Thanks for telling us. >I loved Nigel from Day One. He is, without competition, the
>most beautiful horse in the barn. He just looks like an
>incredible athlete. But he was too much of a wild card to risk
>going home on. It's true that Nigel hadn't run on dirt prior to being picked up for this show, and his record in the U.S. isn't very good. But I think he can run a little and prefer him to some of the other horses who haven't done anything, anywhere. I'd be disappointed not to see him picked among the eight in the final races, and I wouldn't be too surprised to see him take the whole thing. No horses were harmed in the creation of this post.
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47. "RE: Welcome SG1577" |
what about that Nutting colt? I dont have the sheets in front of me but from what I recall 3 Beyers in a row in the 58-59 range, for this group, looks formidable...
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48. "RE: Welcome SG1577" |
What is a Nutting colt??These are the horses that I think will NOT make it to the final race: Sharp as a Fox
Ready to Flirt
Triumphal Entry
NuKidd
Free to Please
Lauren's Halo
Regal Cruiser Which leaves these to race: Archie's Dream
Avenue Of Knowledge
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Crafty Value
Kool Smoke
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Shoot Yeah
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55. "RE: Welcome SG1577" |
That's pretty good that you have it narrowed down. For the most part, I agree with you. Although I wouldn't be surprised to see Nukidd or Lauren's Halo selected instead of one of the 8 you listed. Nukidd is a closer, which could be beneficial in a long race. Regal Cruiser is a bit of a wildcard since he definitely has ability, but never shown it on dirt. However, 2 of the dirt races were on sloppy (wet) tracks. And the other was at Fairplex, which is a short 5/8 mile track that some horses don't like. And even in that race, he did show a bit of speed and just got cooked on some fast fractions.I think you apply trip handicapping when you look at the horses. I don't have any books to suggest, but basically just envision how the race will unfold in your head. Where each horse will be, how fast they will run early, etc. If you think there will be too many speed horses, which I think is quite possible based on the horses you listed, then consider a horse who sits just off the pace, or even a monster closer.
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49. "Do you mean Nukidd?" |
>what about that Nutting colt? I dont have the sheets
>in front of me but from what I recall 3 Beyers in a row in
>the 58-59 range, for this group, looks formidable... If you mean Nukidd... the way I'm reading his form, he's a slow starter, so he's not someone you'd want in a match race. For the big race... his last three Beyers are 56, 59, and 53. Even for this group, that's not so hot - Shoot Yeah has been in the 60s the past three times out, and Crafty Value has been at 63+ since July (8 races). He's got a shot, but I prefer others. No horses were harmed in the creation of this post.
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56. "RE: Do you mean Nukidd?" |
What is a speed biased track?
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121. "RE: Do you mean Nukidd?" |
Sara,A speed biased track means that it's favoring front (early) speed that day rather than a "closer's" bias track which favors horses that rally from behind. A bias can be caused by the way they, the tractor drivers, harrow the track and by weather conditions. Usually, while racing when raining, Santa Anita carries a huge speed bias. These biases mean zilch in these two furlong works but will mean much more when running the grand prize race. Ask a tractor driver the morning of the race how they believe the bias will be and closely watch every race beforhand the day of the final to compare a front running or closing, rallying, bias. There are also rail and wide running biases. Check to see if the horses winning that day or the day before are winning along the inside, rail, or in the middle to outside of the track. If it rains the day of your final, remember, speed, speed and more speed. GOOD LUCK.
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62. "RE: Do you mean Nukidd?" |
Actually, the jockeys were a huge point of contention during the show. Pepe kept winning and for awhile we didn't know how they were selecting which jockey would ride which horse. They eventually told us that they were drawing straws.
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78. "RE: Do you mean Nukidd?" |
Yep, Pepe is one of the top exercise riders for Baffert. Carlos, huh? Hmm... I might know who that is. Could be Carlos Arias. I know he went overseas to the Middle East to ride for a few years. He's been back for a while, but haven't seen him ride anything. Maybe he exercises full time now.
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85. "RE: Jockeys" |
I read somewhere that the final race will be available for betting around the country, or at least at the track. If that's the case, then there are sure to be "name" jockeys on the horses. They can make a difference. If it's a random draw, then I guess there's nothing anyone can do. But that could add a strategic part to the game if a jockey has to be hired, say from a pool of available ones. But since that doesn't seem to be a big part of the show, maybe not...
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88. "RE: Jockeys" |
Plus I won the challenge! And I almost won the challenge before that! I guess I have Deanna's wrath now so that's not good. 
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63. "RE: Welcome SG1577" |
I agree on the whole DRF past performance thing, but I was actually just going off memory on Free To Please. I had seen him race several times, and he had always shown very good early speed. And that was against SoCal horses, which is why when I saw him, he immediately struck me as a horse that could win a match race at 2f.R Champ is an interesting one. He got smoked the last few times, but maybe it was just circumstance, such as too much pace? As opposed to being mentally messed up from the race where he tossed the rider. I wouldn't rule the latter out, but I think with a good trainer, he can get back to form. I'm not so sure about Nigel. He's a beautiful horse, but NZ horses don't usually race well on the main track as a rule.
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65. "RE: Welcome SG1577" |
Don't they run in the opposite direction in NZ?
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70. "RE: Welcome SG1577" |
Yep. On form, he looks almost even with some of the better horses in there. I wish he had some experience on dirt though. If he was a speed horse, then I wouldn't be as concerned. If there was a way, it would be nice to see how he handles taking dirt in the face in the mornings. That would at least give you some idea as to whether he would react poorly to that aspect of dirt racing in a race.
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103. "RE: Welcome SG1577" |
Yeah, in a 2f race I wouldn't think it'd make much difference. Speed over a short period is all that matters, and sex doesn't seem to affect that. She seems to be a router though, so I don't know that she'd fare well unless pitted against another distance horse.
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93. "Getting Serious" |
Hey Sara, Hey SG1577 - well - if that's your REAL name...This forum is funny - kind of hidden and only three of us... This is a very important post: "These are the horses that I think will NOT make it to the final race: Sharp as a Fox
Ready to Flirt
Triumphal Entry
NuKidd
Free to Please
Lauren's Halo
Regal Cruiser Which leaves these to race: Archie's Dream
Avenue Of Knowledge
Big Wagner
Crafty Value
Kool Smoke
Nigel No Mates
Shoot Yeah
R Champ" I gave the sheets a good look last night, and I agree with you almost totally (not totally sold on R-Champ and Archie's Dream). This is very, very, very important, Sara, because if Kool Smoke is really the only try spped of this bunch, save R-Champ who from what I can tell looks totally out-classed). However, Kool Smoke might have some serious trouble w/ the distance. Sara, I think that you should be definitely setting your sights on Big Wagner or Shoot Yeah or AOK because Crafty Value is certainly the horse to beat, but there's definitely hope because the goddman horse NEVER WINS. Look at his form he LOVES to run 2nd and 3rd but hates to win. You need to start w/ Crafty Value and go from there. Big Wagner is absolutely my choice right now - not necessarily because he's the best but (1) because he'll probably not be given the credit he deserves (i.e. good value), (2) he likes to stay close to the front but doesnt need to be on the lead (3) looks like he might want to go 8 1/2 panels (4) his last race looks like he bounced a little and if he's fresh and can get a decent break behind Kool Smoke or another speed type, if he can tuck in and save ground, he might bounce BACK and put up a big race and be OK (5) he's been in Ron Ellis barn and Ellis is the man so we know he's in form and wouldnt that be a great story if the cutie w/ supposedly NO knowledge of horses wins the cash and stable W/ Ron Ellis' horse, the guy the damn production team wouldnt even put on TV. Also, you don't have Shoot Yeah above - that colt looked like crap on TV, and might slip through the cracks, especially if you get a poor draw... What do you guys think? Sara- will you be able to talk to the jock before the race to give him directions. I RESERVE THE RIGHT TO CHANGE MY PICKS b4 race time, but this is what im thinking right now... also AOK, I think, might be primed for something special...
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97. "RE: Getting Serious" |
OK, got it...Do you know anything about how races develop as far as Speed types, horses that can 'rate', and horses that tend to come off the pace? The pace that a race is run at means alot - because being loose on the lead, uncontested, is the best place to be because the horse can dictate the pace, relax, and not have to deal w/ dirt in its face... so if there's not much speed and a horse can set soft early fractions without being pressured by other speed types, they tend to do well... conversesly if there is a race w/ ALOT of speed, meaning alot of horses that want the lead, those races tend to be run at hotter fractions, and typically during these races run quicker, horses tend to tire and horses that come from off the pace tend to finish better... this is an important concept because a horse like Kool Smoke might be OK if he gets an easy lead...
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01-20-05, 02:43 PM (EST)
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105. "RE: Getting Serious" |
Yep. You can't always look at things at face value. Sometimes you gotta take other factors into consideration. As I mentioned somewhere else, this is a cheap race with cheap horses. None of them have a whole lot in the way of finishing kick. It's a fact that horses with speed wins most cheap maiden races, and that is a good comparison. Horses who lack the early speed to keep pace just don't have enough late kick to catch the leaders. The pace scenario works against them in both cases... Fast pace means that they fall too far behind early, and even though the leaders get tired, the others don't have enough punch to take advantage, and may even get tired themselves by being forced to chase a fast pace. Slow pace means that the leaders are too fresh in the later stages, and they kick away from the rest or simply hold on.This is why in this race, I would always favor a horse who has shown the ability to lay close to the pace and still finish respectably, even if they have quit a bit in previous races. Kool Smoke/Shoot Yeah is a great example. Kool Smoke ran the better race despite being beaten by the other horse. He was "in the race" the entire way, and still held on pretty well, only being passed right at the end. Another thing to consider is there isn't much difference between a mile and a mile and a sixteenth. In fact, from my experiences, speed tends to play much better at the longer distance. The reason being that at one mile, all the riders tend to send their horses harder to get position due to the turn being so close to the start. But in the longer race, there is more room to get position before the turn. So the early pace isn't as frantic.
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01-20-05, 02:33 PM (EST)
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104. "RE: Getting Serious" |
See my logic in my longer post for Kool Smoke vs. Shoot Yeah. Even though he has only raced one mile once, don't necessarily disqualify him. In a cheap race (which this is), speed is almost ALWAYS more important than class or proven distance form. I think he would be a better pick than Shoot Yeah, even though the latter beat him at one mile. I explained myself more in that post.
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100. "The bettors' perspective" |
Spiral Stairs has provided some good analysis here. I have different opinions about how the big race will run, but I'll mostly keep them to myself for now. For now, I'll focus on how the bettors are likely to look at this race.On paper, Crafty Value is the favorite almost any way you analyze things. He does have some question marks, but his are smaller than anyone elses. He figures to go off anywhere from even money to 5-2. He'd be a good bet at anywhere past 3-1. If, for some reason, CV doesn't run to form, who's likely to pick up the pieces? Based on conventional analysis, it's a tossup between Kool Smoke, Avenueofknowledge, Shoot Yeah, and Big Wagner. All of them have distance question marks to some degree. The one offering the best payout might be a decent value, but we won't know that until close to post time. Finally, we get to my upset specials, R Champ and Nigel No Mates. I'm not sure if R Champ will ever get back to form, but if he can, he can beat Crafty Value. The bad news is he's gotten a lot of respect at the betting windows every time out, so there's probably not a lot of value to be had there. Nigel, on the other hand, has been ignored every time out in the States, and I expect the same here. The obvious question mark here is can he run as well on turf as he has on dirt? I wouldn't predict it, but it's certainly possible. At double digit odds, it might be worth taking a small flyer on him. Don't bet the rent money. No horses were harmed in the creation of this post.
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102. "RE: Getting Serious" |
LAST EDITED ON 01-20-05 AT 02:36 PM (EST)Yes, that is my real name. Actually, you can call me Steve. Okay lots of comments here. I agree with the list of horses she mentioned for the most part, but I believe Regal Cruiser and Nukidd could get swapped in. Of the horses on the "made it" list, I think several of them are significantly better than the ones on the "not made it" list, but I think they can't win the final race. Explanation... Keep in mind this is based solely on PP's and visual recollections. I have virtually no idea how horses are faring physically right now. Regal Cruiser - This horse has way more natural ability than most of the others. The problem is he's never shown it on dirt. However, two of the races came on wet tracks. So those I can throw out. And the third came at Fairplex, a bullring 5/8 mile track, in which he showed speed but caved after a fast pace. I would almost be willing to put him above Nigel No Mates, since NZ horses hardly ever run well on the dirt. That's my hunch. Nukidd - As mentioned before, he at least is proven at the distance. And being so lightly raced, he might have more room for improvement than the others. He would only be a good pick though if you're convinced all the speed horses will fall down. Kool Smoke vs. Shoot Yeah - Shoot Yeah did beat Kool Smoke at one mile, but only by 1/2 length. In that race, Kool Smoke pushed the pace and was in the hunt for the win until the last part, so I give him more credit and think he ran the better race. This race is a sixteenth of a mile farther though, so who knows? Shoot Yeah isn't exactly proven at the distance either. Shoot Yeah has done okay at the distance, in that he has never totally collapsed. But he has never finished close either. He doesn't seem to have much punch at the distance. If you look closer at his PP's, in his races at the distance, he has been in very fast-paced races. And all he has ever done is pass tired horses, without ever really getting at all close to the leaders. Also, his pedigree is extremely short. So in a case like that, I'd always favor the horse with more speed, which is Kool Smoke. Crafty Value - To me, the clear best at the conditions. However, let's all assume he will be picked first. So if you don't pick first, I don't think he will be an issue. Avenueofknowledge - Definitely has more ability than others, but seems REALLY suspect at the distance. Ran poorly in all his races past 6f. I would consider him, but he would be more of my 5th or 6th pick, and not 1st or 2nd. Big Wagner - This is an interesting one. He seems to have a versatile style that will let him get a good trip. He has early speed, and has the ability to pass horses late. Very good qualities to have. He comes out of decent races (open claimers as opposed to restricted claimers), and most recently ran very well in a fast-paced open 12.5K claimer. He just turned 4, so he figures to have improved, as opposed to many of the others which are older. He has yet to race the distance, but he has a nice record at a mile. I agree with SS. This would definitely be one of my top picks. R Champ - Showed ability in the past, but has run terrible lately. One race was on the turf, so maybe throw that one out? The last one, he didn't make the lead. He appears to be very faint-hearted and gives up if he can't control the race. Assuming the riders in this race will be very aggressive, I can't imagine him making an easy early lead. But he has shown flashes in the past, so if forced to choose between him and some relatively talentless horse, he would maybe be worth the risk. Archies Dream - Don't like this horse at all. Seen him run plenty. Has no speed, no big kick, and looks to be very shaky at longer distances. I think that covers most of my thoughts as far as the horses, at least as of right now. I'll post more later as I inevitably discover more things I like/dislike. Also, to address some of your other points: - I guess Alex Hassinger was asked to do the show like at the last minute, which explains why he seems uncomfortable with everything at times. No idea why they didn't use Ron. - Ron Ellis won't be training all the horses up to the final race. The show said they were looking for 4 trainers to take horses. I guess it could make a difference, but I would hope that decent conditioners are hired.
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01-20-05, 03:32 PM (EST)
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108. "RE: Getting Serious" |
Steven Crist?
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01-20-05, 08:30 PM (EST)
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109. "RE: Getting Serious" |
Eh? Who's Steven Crist... certainly not me! If I were, I would probably sound a lot more negative. And have what appeared to be a horrible looking mop on my head.
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110. "RE: Getting Serious" |
I ran into Steve Crist last year summer outside of the track at Saratoga and I jumped out of the car and said Hello. He's super nice, but is he serious w/ that mop on his head? One time a few years back I happend to be in a bathroom w/ Shaun Bridgmohan and he asked me if I had any coke. My friends love that story...
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113. "Episode 4: He's Got His Thing Out!" |
Previously on "The Deanna and Susan Show": Sara shocks everyone by winning the owners' challenge and takes her homies with her, Deanna wins the stable hand challenge and puts Aaron on the chopping block, Sara picks Eric for the guts match, and Eric's horse wins, and Susan looks like she lost her only friend.Thankfully there's less time to misintrepret everyone's quotes, but let's try anyway: Chris says the key to the game is having lots of small alliances and using other strengths to get to the top. Dang, I hear that Alanis song again. Must be just a coincidence. Deanna is skeptical of Chris's intentions. Eric likes being around Sara and thinks she's both beautiful and smart. Agreed, but down boy; you've got a game to win, and I don't think lusting after thy opponent is the best way to get to the winners' circle. Steve takes everyone down to the Winners' Circle at Santa Anita for our weekly OWNERS' CHALLENGE. Five horses are displayed for our owners. One of them is a Breeders' Cup winner, and the others are, to put it nicely, not. Steve gives out hints for each horse to make it less of a guessing game. Those who pick the right horse moves on to part two of the challenge, which I'll explain in a bit. I read the spoilers for the show, which made the choice really obvious. But even if I hadn't, I probably would've gotten the right answer through the process of elimination. Would the others do the same? Let's see. Chris picked #5, which I'm afraid was the wrong answer.
LeVar picked #2 and the three players behind him picked #1. Then we get to our horse "expert" Sara. "What's a Breeders' Cup?" she innocently asks, and half the 36 people watching the show were aghast at such ignorance (the other half probably switched to "The Bachelorette"). The Breeders' Cup, for anyone who doesn't know but cares, is a special group of races that features most of the best horses in the world competing at different races on different surfaces and distances. The 2003 Breeders' Cup was held at our favorite track, Santa Anita, and it rotates among the major tracks from year to year. Anyhoo, Sara was looking for the prettiest horse (not bad logic, actually) and probably didn't find it with horse #1, who had an interesting reaction to her presence or something. "He's got his thing out!" she exclaimed, providing the title quote for this viewer, and providing fodder for water cooler conversations everywhere. Well, somewhere, maybe. Sure enough, horse #1 had his hind quarters blurred out so we wouldn't know he was hung like a.... you know what. Sara ended up picking horse #2. Deanna strides right to horse #2 and picks him. You think she knows something? Dean also picks #2, and then it was Susan's turn. She's sure to pick the right horse, right? She picks #1. Anyway, Steve explains the horses on display. Horse #4 was Levi, a lead pony. Horse #3 was Big Wagner, who's already in the American Dream Derby stable. Horse #5 was I Can Cook, who had a lifetime high Beyer of 81 - too good to be in the ADD stable, but not good enough to be competitive in any of the Breeders' Cup races. Horse #1 was a 2-year-old with a name they didn't bother to tell us. And Horse #2 was Kona Gold, 2000 Breeders' Cup Sprint winner. Susan said she was going to look like a dork for picking the wrong horse. Well, um, yeah, that and other things. As a tie breaker, the four players that picked him were asked to write down how much they think he won in his career. This is another takeoff on any number of "The Price Is Right"'s pricing games. LeVar's guess was best and he wins this OWNERS' CHALLENGE. He takes the usual suspects with him - Tara (C), Eric, and Sara. Dean is disappointed that he didn't get picked to go to the big house. I'm not; he just doesn't look as good in the hot tub as the ladies do. The unlucky contestants not picked to go to the big house get stuck with more stable work. Alex rides them, but not as hard as on the last episode. To fill in an extra minute, we get a profile on Tara C. She knows a lot about horses, but wants to know more about the racing side of them. She has an open mind about things. In some down time at the stable, Chris volunteers to be put up for the GUTS MATCH, but he'd like to know which horse to pick. This is regarded skeptically by the others. Meanwhile, at the mansion, Eric is really into Sara, but she thinks he's thinking more about the game. Because we can't have a reality show without copious amounts of alcohol, Eric gets sloppy drunk and says some silly things. LeVar confides to Eric privately that there's nothing between him and Sara and that she's been giving Eric as much attention as him. This somewhat comforts Eric, temporarily. Chris gets a mini-profile. He's competitive, but is not a backstabber. Meanwhile, our stable folk are ready to compete in the STABLE HAND CHALLENGE. The competitors race down a course on tricycles and the first to cross the finish line wins. Today's twist is that they have to wear some special goggles that simulate a horse's vision (their eyes on their sides and can't see well what's directly in front of them). And they're off! Deanna and Chris get the best breaks but both had their share of stumbles. Her last stumble was right at the finish line, but she doesn't cross it as Chris streaks by and wins. The owners get their usual opportunity to bet, but only Eric partook - by betting $5 on Susan. Fast learners these guys. Steve chides them for their lack of guts, but why make a stupid bet when you don't have to? Chris should be happy he won, but he isn't. He cut so many deals with everyone that he finds himself in a bind. He'll have to do what he doesn't want to do. He talks to Dean, and since the wind was blowing out of the west at that time, he was leaning toward putting Tara (W) up. Dean warns Chris about her feminine charms. Things are not great at the mansion either. LeVar thinks that Eric is more interested in Sara than the race. And that Eric is being played to advance her standing. The story at the big house gets worse later when they're all together and Eric confesses that he's out of the loop. LeVar plays coy. Sara senses the pressure and heads for the nearest bathroom and has a good cry. LeVar thinks Sara is hiding behind the guys to save herself. I think I'm going to take a break from the sit-and-scheme intrigue, so forgive me if I don't talk about it anymore. Back to the Chandelier Room for the GUTS MATCH picks. LeVar picks Eric, and Chris picks... himself. Alex is on hand and tells us there are 9 horses available - the six who have already raced can't be picked again. Questions? Eric asks if Nigel No Mates can do well on dirt. Alex spends over a minute saying, essentially, "How should I know?" Chris asks an inconsequential question about an inconsequential horse with Alex giving an inconsequential answer. Time for the picks. Eric selects Archie's Dream. Chris picks Regal Cruiser. Granted, we're getting near the bottom of the barrel here, but I think there were better picks. Susan didn't think much of Archie's Dream's chances. And LeVar thought Eric picked the wrong horse. But he bet the max on Archie's Dream anyway. Indeed, all the owners bet on Archie's Dream. All the stable hands bet on Regal Cruiser. And they are off and running! No bumps, but Regal Cruiser got off to a slow start and was erratic. Archie's Dream pulls away in the last furlong and wins by 2 lengths. Chris leaves with dignity as Tara (W) cries at his departure. Must have been something we didn't see. Next time, some people are unhappy, but Deanna is rubbing her hands in glee as she tries to stick the knife in someone else.
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114. "RE: Episode 4: He's Got His Thing Out!" |
Hmmm... I'll take this opportunity to chime in on this one... since its a public forum and I have to eat my lunch somewhere and god could this forum use a little pick-me-up... realitybites you do a helluva job w/ the recaps... although I don't really read them, but the few lines I do read are pretty accurate and well presented... bravo.Eric looks like a dumb-dumb, LeVar seems OK, hope Sara wins...don't know anybody else's name but cut the crap with all the old people at the stable... sooooo not interested... I wish these guys would just play the damn game... has anyone even poured over the Form - since that's what the game is actually about... Obviously not too much... Some people don't know about the races, and that's fine although they're at a disadvantage but it doesnt seem like anybody's actually playing to win the thing except the blond annoying lady w/ a serious need of a much better hairdresser and a licensed psychotherapist... maybe some layers and some lithium might help... it certainly couldnt hurt... I didnt watch the whole show but I did see LeVar nearly wet himself after the middle-aged dad won the challenge, but it turns out he didnt even bet on him... so why was he gyrating w/ uncontrollable mirth (yeah, I just used the phrase 'uncontrollable mirth' in a sentence, bitches , don't you forget it) when he won. Must be because they're boyzzz but u didnt see that on camera... You knew that the middle aged dad was going to win that was a lay-up, can't believe nobody even bet, I mean its a game but are these people having any fun? I'm sure its a great experience, and all that blah blah blah blah blah... I did think that Regal would beat Archie at 2F but I was incorrect. There, are you happy now!! Sheeeesh... Anybody know the nielsen ratings for this thing? Is it me or does it seem that this thing is based on luck on not much skill and the people that know the ponies are at huge huge advantage its hardly even fair...? -------------------------------------------------------------
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115. "Thanks" |
Thanks for your kind words>I wish these guys would just play the damn game...
> has anyone even poured over the Form - since
>that's what the game is actually about... Obviously not
>too much... That's the problem - they think they ARE playing the game. It's a lot like the sit-and-scheme reality shows that I barely pay any attention to. I'm sure most of them study the DRF but it almost never makes the show because it's so deadly dull (in the producers' opinion). >it doesnt seem like anybody's actually playing to win the
>thing except the blond annoying lady w/ a serious need
>of a much better hairdresser and a licensed psychotherapist...
>maybe some layers and some lithium might help... it certainly
>couldnt hurt... Oh you mean Deanna? I kinda like her. I certainly prefer seeing her to spending more time on Susan. >I didnt watch the whole show but I did see LeVar
>nearly wet himself after the middle-aged dad won the challenge,
>but it turns out he didnt even bet on him...
>so why was he gyrating w/ uncontrollable mirth
>when he won. Must be because they're boyzzz but u didnt see
>that on camera... I didn't notice on the first viewing, but when I looked at the tape, you're right, it's there. Your guess is as good as mine. >I did think that Regal would beat Archie at 2F but
>I was incorrect. There, are you happy now!! Sheeeesh... I thought the same. He must really hate the dirt. No horses were harmed in the creation of this post.
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123. "Thank you!!" |
Hi teach! Thank you for your support. It really feels good to know that there were people pulling for me. As for Deanna, at least she will take really good care of the horses so that's good. I can't say I feel real love for her but I do love a few of those horses and will certainly follow their careers!Realitybites...thank you for watching and reporting! You really did a great job. Thanks also to everyone on here who helped me handicap!! You guys are awesome! Good luck to everyone in everything you chose to do! XOXO! *sara
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