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03-30-01, 00:44 AM (EST)
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"Is Liz next?"
Is Liz next. At TC tonight Jeff P said " Elizabeth, your pretty stiff competition in the final 2. You've got to be feeling a bit nervous". He might have just said vote for Liz cause you can't beat her in the final 2. I have a big feeling because what he said she is next. Now she is seen as a very big threat. Just like when he was talking to Nick he dug Nick's grave too. Do you think that Stacy Lawsuit has any merit. I do now. Probst need to shut up and just read votes.
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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
 RE: Is Liz next? frogspit 03-30-01 1
 RE: Is Liz next? SurvivinDawg 03-30-01 2
   RE: Is Liz next? Loree 03-30-01 3
       RE: Probst's probing Outfrontgirl 03-30-01 4
           RE: Probst's probing SurvivinDawg 03-30-01 5
               RE: Probst's probing desert_rhino 03-31-01 8
       RE: Is Liz next? Remy617 03-30-01 6
           RE: Stacey Stillman suit Outfrontgirl 03-31-01 7
 RE: Is Liz next? dangerkitty 03-31-01 9
   RE: Is Liz next? IceCat 03-31-01 10
       Icecat... dangerkitty 03-31-01 11

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03-30-01, 02:43 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: Is Liz next?"
>Do you think that Stacy Lawsuit has any merit. I do now.

Of course, I do... but that's another story. Looks like MB, after his recap interlude, is now starting S2 - part 2 - Kucha Rises Again!


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03-30-01, 06:18 AM (EST)
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2. "RE: Is Liz next?"
LAST EDITED ON 03-30-01 AT 06:48 AM (EST)

The lawsuit has merit, but if JP is so good he can predict the future, I want to consult with him before making a few wagers in Las Vegas.....

Edited to add: I think we'll see a couple of Lis IC victories, and that will validate the spoiler by JP that Lis does well in the challenges.....

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03-30-01, 02:29 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: Is Liz next?"
Early on both Jeff and Alicia had stated they would have to get rid of Liz because she was too sweet and likeable and they could never beat her in a vote. It's surprising that Colby/Tina/Keith didn't think of that when they decided to keep Liz. Colby didn't really want to vote for Jerri. But he wanted to keep Liz around. Strange?
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03-30-01, 02:49 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Probst's probing"
In Burnett's "Survivor," he describes his reasons for hiring Jeff P--to ask probing questions and stir people up, among other things. Probst has interest and background in psychology. In S1, Jeff was the "chief" of the island, so he's a part of the game for which people sign up? Part of his role is to force out into the open what everyone's thinking and put them in the hot seat as to how to field the question, like a good reporter going after a double-talking politician and forcing him/her to discuss the issues.

That's not what Stacey's suing over. Her issue has to do with advance knowledge (as opposed to speculation) of challenges or other aspects of the game getting revealed selectively to influence the way players vote. Anything said in TC is said to all, and it's a specific dynamic of the game to have this ritual portion where people speak out and confess if they're caught off guard.

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03-30-01, 04:27 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: Probst's probing"
If I understand the lawsuit (and we'll have to ask lawyer Nick for an opinion ) Stacey's most direct complaint was that the producers convinced or told contestants to vote a certain way, in other words, direct vote manipulation. Stacey was stunned when she was voted off, and believes the only way that could have happened was by the direct intervention of the producers.

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03-31-01, 09:16 AM (EST)
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8. "RE: Probst's probing"
Of course it couldn't have anything to do with the fact that she was a 20-something new lawyer with a chip the size of Rhode Island on her shoulder, and the annoying personality to match.

-- JV

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03-30-01, 05:08 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Is Liz next?"
"Colby didn't really want to vote for Jerri. But he wanted to
keep Liz around. Strange? "

Never underestimate the cute/nice girl factor, especially with a guy from the South, as the Colbster is.


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03-31-01, 03:34 AM (EST)
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7. "RE: Stacey Stillman suit"
S. Dawg and any one else interested: Stacey's actual Complaint is posted on the net and makes good reading once you get past the preliminary allegations. One needn't be a lawyer to read it and understand what the case is about. (Although I've had some legal training and am familiar with how a Complaint is set forth, I think the primary story is told in unusually plain English, as if aiming at a general audience.)

I read it a few weeks ago and this is not a thorough summary, but these are the main details I recall:

She alleges:
Burnett spoke to Sean and Dirk apart from the other castaways after they had announced their intention to vote with Stacey against Rudy, who would have been the third "elder" in a row to get booted.

Burnett told them that (ex-Seal) Rudy had the strengths the Tagi tribe needed to win the upcoming physically demanding Immunity Challenges. Stacey claims this was done to keep the last older person--prevent the show from seeming ageist and alienating a major audience demographic.

Dirk and Sean did change their votes to Stacy, who was booted. Stacey says that she was not given a fair chance (the chance she understood to be part of the game when she signed up) to build the alliances and relationships necessary to win, because her teammates were basically told she didn't have what it took to help their team win.
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Since Richard had targeted Stacey from the first, I don't think she stood any chance to get far, but that doesn't affect whether her allegations about unfair influence have a basis in truth or merit.
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As far as S2 goes: Jeff Varner said Burnett came and told them they could do the IC without Mike, but that it involved swimming and Rodger would have to compete, and then gave them the choice.
Again, a situation where he's giving them free will but also some information about the nature of a challenge. In a truly fair game, I think their decision should have been made blind. In fact, the board here was pretty certain the cancelled IC was the obstacle course we just saw used for Reward, and it did not involve swimming. Again, it was in MB's interest for good TV that the merged tribe start out 5-5 rather than 5-4, and that's what he got.
Not trying to defame Burnett, only making observations.
Supposedly, Dirk wrote all about it in a disgruntled letter to CBS after he was the next bootee, which forms key evidence in her suit.

It'll probably never come to trial. Too expensive to litigate.

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03-31-01, 12:14 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: Is Liz next?"
This just in from HUGESPOILERMUSTREAD.com:

In a stunning act of self-sacficie, Liz offers to leave the game in exchange for the tribe receiving more rice. "I've got a heart-shaped rock and a piece of coral. What's a million dollars compared to that?" she is quoted as saying. "Besides, I know that you like me, you really really like me!"

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03-31-01, 01:02 PM (EST)
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10. "RE: Is Liz next?"
Yeah...

...and she got the lead in that upcoming re-make of 'The Flying Nun'

IceCat

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03-31-01, 01:16 PM (EST)
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11. "Icecat..."
I'm so glad you responded to this. You inspired me!

dk

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