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"TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread"
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03-15-05, 08:54 PM (EST)
 
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"TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Please discuss tonight's episode only on this thread until the folks on the West Coast have a chance to see the episode. Thanks.
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1. "Old Folks or Mom/Son?" |
Which will it be?
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03-15-05, 08:58 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: Old Folks or Mom/Son?" |
I think Team Oedipus will be going... let's see!
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03-15-05, 09:04 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: Old Folks or Mom/Son?" |
Hopefully one of the two.
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03-15-05, 09:05 PM (EST)
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6. "Romber's lead" |
was 50 minutes.
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03-15-05, 09:21 PM (EST)
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29. "Starting Times" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-16-05 AT 04:35 PM (EST)LAST EDITED ON 03-16-05 AT 04:33 PM (EST) It doesn't matter (will it ever matter?), but here are the starting times for this episode: Rob/Amber 12:34 a.m.
Ron/Kelly 1:24
Ray/Deana 2:17
Uchenna/Joyce 3:16
Lynn/Alex 3:19
Debbie/Bianca 3:20
Meredith/Gretch 3:24
Susan/Patrick 3:35
Brian/Greg 3:46 I missed Rob/Amber, but according to munson they were about fifty minutes ahead. Didn't get Brian/Greg either, so if anyone wants to fill those two in with exact times, go right ahead. Edit: Thanks to munson and louislam for filling in Romber and the brothers' exact times.
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03-15-05, 10:01 PM (EST)
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92. "RE: Starting Times" |
Yep. They departed at 12:34am.
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03-15-05, 09:05 PM (EST)
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7. "Caution, Yield Ahead." |
Wonder if antone will use it?
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03-15-05, 09:05 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Ron is not sure if he wants to marry Kelly.
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03-15-05, 09:07 PM (EST)
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9. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Driving through the mountains at night - how fun.
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03-15-05, 09:08 PM (EST)
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10. "A Bunching we will go.." |
car place doesn't open till 5:00am.
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03-15-05, 09:11 PM (EST)
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14. "RE: A Bunching we will go.." |
Really unneccessary bunching. I expect the producers to try to level out the teams every once and a while, but they don't have to do it every episode.
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03-15-05, 09:09 PM (EST)
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11. "cabnapping coming" |
that schema!
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03-15-05, 09:10 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: cabnapping coming" |
They're burning there bridges awfully early.
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03-15-05, 09:10 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: cabnapping coming" |
LOL, girls didn;t even realize Rob stole the cab and it had no effect on the placings at all!
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03-15-05, 09:11 PM (EST)
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15. "RE: cabnapping coming" |
That's true, the girls at this point just think the cab took off, they didn't see Romber outside the hotel.
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03-15-05, 09:13 PM (EST)
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16. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Did you see that zigzagging road.
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03-15-05, 09:14 PM (EST)
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18. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Susan and Patrick are in Chili rather than Argentina.
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03-15-05, 09:14 PM (EST)
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19. "Lynn and Alex" |
...crack me up. Talking about the upcoming yield and how people have talked about gunning for Romber, 'let's see if anyone really has heuvos or not'.
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03-15-05, 09:15 PM (EST)
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22. "Yield" |
I'd bet that if any team other than Ray/Deana, gets the chance to yield Romber, they will. Seems everyone just wants to beat them.
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03-15-05, 09:16 PM (EST)
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23. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
It's amazing how Rob can easily get the police to escort him out of Chile, but it's taken Susan/Patrick over 90 minutes...
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03-15-05, 09:18 PM (EST)
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25. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
The view is gorgeous.
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03-15-05, 09:19 PM (EST)
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27. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Rob and Amber choose not to yield.
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03-15-05, 09:21 PM (EST)
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30. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Romber first - paddle
Lynn/Alex second - paddle
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03-15-05, 09:21 PM (EST)
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28. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
They are doing the rafting which would be fun but I think riding the bike is faster except for the old folks maybe.
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03-15-05, 09:22 PM (EST)
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32. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Lynn doesn't seem to like Rob and Amber for some reason.
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03-15-05, 09:23 PM (EST)
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33. "Puento Viejo" |
Romber are first to the bridge. Rob sees the route marker on the bridge. They choose not to yield anyone.Detour: Paddle or Pedal. Paddle inflatable raft for 7 miles down the river, with 3 professional rowers. Currents may make it difficult. Pedal bicycle 7 miles along old train tracks. It's a long trip but if you have endurance you can do it. Romber decide to raft. Lynn and Alex are second and will not yield. They decide to raft. The brothers are 3rd, Team Retired fourth. The brothers decide to bike. Meredith and Gretchen are rafting. Lynn and alex are catching up to Romber and are first out of the rafts. Drive to Mendoza to a barbeque.
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03-15-05, 09:23 PM (EST)
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34. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Lynn/Alex pass Romber on the river
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03-15-05, 09:24 PM (EST)
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35. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Susan and Patrick are way behind.
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03-15-05, 09:25 PM (EST)
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39. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Debbie/Bianca went 2 1/2 hours the wrong way?
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03-15-05, 09:26 PM (EST)
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41. "RE: Puenta Viejo" |
They better hope they can get back there before Susan & Patrick arrive!
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03-15-05, 09:27 PM (EST)
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43. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
*waves to Flower*. I thought you were just stopping in to say hi!
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03-15-05, 09:27 PM (EST)
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45. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
FP, you're a thread spammer! 
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03-15-05, 09:26 PM (EST)
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42. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Oh, I hope that Deb/Bianca have gotten too far behind to catch up...
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03-15-05, 09:25 PM (EST)
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40. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Debbie/Bianca are also way behind along with the mom and son.
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03-15-05, 09:27 PM (EST)
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46. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
can't help but wonder if Susan and Patrick will yield their allies at the bridge...that would be great! Ha!
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03-15-05, 09:28 PM (EST)
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47. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
The brothers got a flat. That'll slow them down.
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03-15-05, 09:30 PM (EST)
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48. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Brian and Greg in 6th place after detour despite the flat tire.
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03-15-05, 09:30 PM (EST)
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49. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Susan and Patrick have passed Bianca and Debbie
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03-15-05, 09:31 PM (EST)
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50. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Oh great, 4 pounds of nasty meat.
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03-15-05, 09:48 PM (EST)
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75. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
That is too much meat for anyone to eat. I can't believe that people are doing it.
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03-15-05, 09:31 PM (EST)
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51. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Roadblock is 4 lbs of nasty cow parts!
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03-15-05, 09:31 PM (EST)
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52. "Four Pounds of Cow or 2.2 Pounds of Cavair?" |
There are going to be some upset stomachs after this roadblock.  Haha!
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53. "RE: Four Pounds of Cow or 2.2 Pounds of Cavair?" |
So is mom or the son going to eat that?
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03-15-05, 09:34 PM (EST)
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54. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Bianca and Debbie have almost lost their lives in a rafting accident just months earlier.
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03-15-05, 09:35 PM (EST)
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56. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
It is not natural to eat that much meat. You have to barf it out.
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03-15-05, 09:36 PM (EST)
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58. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Rob quit the eating contest. Ray and Denna quit afterward.
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03-15-05, 09:40 PM (EST)
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64. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Now Gretchen is trying to get Meredith to quit. He could have to wait a long time before those lost teams show up or it could take several hours to eat it!
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03-15-05, 09:37 PM (EST)
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59. "Four Hour Rule Comes Back to Haunt Producers" |
Stupid! Stupid! Stupid! Last season, when they revealed that they had changed the 24 hour penalty to a four hour penalty, I was unhappy. I thought it could lead to intentional quitters profitting from avoiding task if others were too far behind. It seems my worries were justified.
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03-15-05, 09:38 PM (EST)
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60. "Segment Three" |
D&B were supposed to be on the highway for 5 minutes and drove for 2 hours. "What do we do now, hope for a flat tire?" Well, you get your wish, as the Brothers get a flat on their tire and watch Ron and Kelly and Meredith and Gretchen row past them on the river.Joyce and Uchenna finish rafting, Greg and Brian finally reach the clue box carrying their bikes. Susan and Patrick arrive at the Detour andn decide to raft. Lynn and Alex arrive at the barbeque first. Rob and Amber second. Roadblock: traditional Argentine Feast. 4 pounds of meat. Sorry, if I list all the items I'll hurl all over my keyboard. Alex is doing the roadblock for his team, Rob for his. Lynn suggests that Alex barf it up to have more room. Debbie and Bianca arrive at the Detour and decide to raft, even though Debbie says she almost died in a white water rafting accident before. Four teams arrive in Mendoza at the same time and start asking directions. Joyce and Uchenna find a driver who leads them. Meredith and Gretchen arrive just ahead of Brian and Greg. Meredith is doing the roadblock. I can't tell the brothers apart yet. Ron doing it for his team. Rob is saying he won't be able to eat it all. Uchenna performing this task. Alex just hurled on Uchenna's foot. Rob wants to quit and they take the 4 hour penalty. They must wait 4 hours to leave. Deanna performing the task. Romber approach Ray and Deanna to join them in the penalty. Deanna quits too. Romber - quite good strategy actually - just guaranteed he would not be the last team to check in. Ray and Deanna are talking to Gretchen about Meredith quitting, but he doesn't want to in case the other person finishes before their penalty time is up.
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03-15-05, 09:41 PM (EST)
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65. "RE: Segment Three" |
Wow! Cool! Keep it up there Kath, you're doing great!
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03-15-05, 09:38 PM (EST)
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62. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
What a b*tch of a task.
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03-15-05, 09:40 PM (EST)
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63. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Who will complete it?
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03-15-05, 09:43 PM (EST)
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67. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Uchenna and Joyce finish the meal in first Lynn and Alex are next.
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03-15-05, 09:44 PM (EST)
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68. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Lynn and Alex are first to the pitstop.
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03-15-05, 09:45 PM (EST)
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71. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Uchenna and Joyce finish second
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69. "Lynn and Alex in FIRST!" |
Uch and Joyce #2 after getting lost on way to Pit Stop.
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03-15-05, 09:45 PM (EST)
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70. "OMG!" |
Was Lynn and Alex showing how they rowed the raft one of the funniest moments ever?!
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03-16-05, 01:27 AM (EST)
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145. "RE: OMG!" |
Yup.
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73. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Can Debbie/Bianca take a penalty? if so- when does their time start?
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03-15-05, 09:47 PM (EST)
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74. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Patrick and his mom are arguing about what he is going to do.
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03-15-05, 09:49 PM (EST)
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77. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Rob and Amber are so coniving.
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03-15-05, 09:51 PM (EST)
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80. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
and I love it!
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03-15-05, 09:50 PM (EST)
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78. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
The last place team will be one of the two still eating.
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03-16-05, 01:11 PM (EST)
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164. "RE: Completely effing unfair" |
I thought it was Brilliant!!!
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03-15-05, 09:51 PM (EST)
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81. "Romber" |
Team number 5!!!! I didn't think I could do it but I found a way to scheme and plot in the amazing race! WOOOHOOOO!!! I love it!
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03-15-05, 10:56 PM (EST)
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113. "RE: Romber" |
too bad it wasn't four pounds of fafaru, that would have been hilarious. disgusting numnums is bad enough, but the TAR producers seem to have a thing for stomachbusting eating challenges. they should really keep it within reason, i still can't believe charla finished that egg.
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03-15-05, 09:52 PM (EST)
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82. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Susan and Patrick just beat Bianca and Debbie.
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03-15-05, 09:53 PM (EST)
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85. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Debbie and Bianca are eliminated.
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83. "Segment Four" |
Meredith decides to quit the task. Uchenna is almost finished, I think he might beat Alex. Uchenna finishes the eating task first. He is this season's Chip!Drive to the Estancio San Isidoro for the Pit Stop. (sorry I know the spelling is wrong). Lynn and Alex finish second. Joyce and Uchenna receive directions to the wrong place, they are lost. They see and red and yellow sign and...Lynn and Alex are first to the Pit Stop. They are so happy, they beat Amber and Rob. (No mention of a prize.) Joyce and Uchenna arrive second. Patrick and Susan are eating on the drive to Mendoza...uh oh. The Brothers and Ron finish the eating challenge. As they are leaving Susan and Patrick ararive. Patrick is performing the roadblock. When Patrick and Susan arrived the penalty time started for R&D and M&G. Romber is about 90 minute ahead on their penalty time. Ron/Kelly and Brian/Greg arrive teams 3 and 4. Susan and Patrick are arguing, he isn't eating. Debbie and Bianca arrive and are exciting to be eating meat. Debbie is performing the roadblock and unbuttons her pants. Rob thinks she will be able to complete the task. Rob and Amber depart. They arrive at the Pit Stop as team #5. Rob says he found a way to plot and scheme in The Amazing Race. Phil looks a little impressed. Debbie is beating Patrick, Bianca is cheering her on. Debbie is covering her ears and singing 'la-la-la-la' while Patrick is hurling. Finally, Ray and Deanna and Meredith and Gretchen are able to depart for the Pit Stop. Ray And Deanna are Team #6. Meredith and Gretchen are #7. It's dusk whenn they arrive. Patrick finishes before Debbie and they depart for the Pit Stop. OMG S&P are lost again. Debbie gets the 'done' signal and they deparat for the Pit Stop. It's dark, and Susan and Patrick arrive at the Pit Stop as team #8. Debbie and Bianca arrive last and have been eliminated.
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84. "Debbie and Bianca eliminated" |
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94. "RE: Debbie and Bianca eliminated" |
Well that was exciting....my favourite team on the race, eliminated on leg 3. This sucks, now I have no favourites left, lol. So much for this season!
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88. "Next week" |
Joyce and Deena have problems riding horses.
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98. "RE: Next week" |
Well, that's two teams that are completely safe next week!
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90. "next time on TAR" |
Wonder what the aggressive move that Romber will make next week? Joyce and Deana ride the horses....Joyce takes a spill and Deana is crying, "I can't do this"....wonder what the geriatrics will do?
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165. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Oohh, I like that..."evil genius"
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100. "Rob = genius" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-15-05 AT 10:09 PM (EST)Convincing others to quit was just brilliant. Folks were sitting still and their penalty clock hadn't even started, while his was continuing to count down. He was virtually guaranteed to finish ahead of anyone who quit after he did, and at this stage its all about avoiding that last place finish.
ETA: my first swoop ever, and I wasn't tryin'
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95. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
anyone know why the first team didn't win a prize to hawaii or something like that...if this has been answered...sorry...
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103. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
I was wondering the same thing...hmmmm.
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03-15-05, 10:29 PM (EST)
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105. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
my boyfriend seems to think it's a gay thing and won't give the gay couple a trip. i think that's too blatant, how could cbs think like that???
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03-15-05, 10:34 PM (EST)
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106. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
In past shows, not all legs carried a prize. But I think the winners of this leg definitely deserved one.
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108. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
From time to time, prizes are simply not awarded at the end of the leg. It's been done in the past; it'll be done in the future. Usually prizes are given consistently towards the end of the race, the first half of the race is a more hit/miss scenario.
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147. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
I'm wondering if they just edited it out, to show their rather comical rowing demonstration and to allow them to interview some more about how happy they were to beat Rob and Amber. I could be wrong, though.
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97. "Woo hoo!" |
I got my vote right! Even though they were at the top of my love list last week. 
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141. "RE: Woo hoo!" |
CONGRATS! And, blast it, I liked them too.
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112. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-15-05 AT 11:01 PM (EST)Slicey, I've never loved you more than now
I think we're the only sane people left! Seriously, I don't think there's a good or bad about the penalties. It's a valid move, but I would certainly never praise it. I don't know that it's ruining the game (although I do get the idea of a dreadful audio "A Roadblock is a choice between two tasks: to do, which will be fast but painful, or not to do, which could take a while (4 hours to be exact), but will be easy enough that even Rawb could do it" running in my head, lol). But how many of the hypocrites that say Rawb's a genius were ready to crucify Hayden and Aaron last year, that said "they quit. period. nothing else matters!" (and may be so outrageous even now as to tar R/D or G/M with a corner of that same brush)? How many of the same people will be big enough to admit that they lost hours by doing it, and so at best the decision is a neutral? How many of the same people will stop to think that if they hadn't been lucky enough that two other teams had gotten lost and hours behind, it's unlikely that anyone else would have dared quit, and all would have had a good shot to finish ahead of them? How many people, in short, are only okay with this because Rob did it? Did it work out? Yes. Was it genius? Hardly. And certainly quitting is not worthy of praise, even if we are not to count it as a negative. edit because i can't spell "genius" LMAO
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116. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Ditto!Yep, tomorrow on the boards you could get tired of counting them! They'll be saying "Rob is great (blah, blah, blah) Deana & Meredith suck for being quitters". Rob quit first! He is a quitter, he couldn't do it and then had to scheme his way to staying in the race! That makes him a slimeball to me! Jus' sayin'.
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119. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Of course, tomorrow on the boards... they may be calling us all "Nutz".
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124. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
I'm a fan of the logic, but not of the move itself.Obviously, the best option would have been for Rob to finish the task and move on to the pitstop. For whatever dumb reason, Rob thought that he could not complete the task. So, Rob correctly surmised that if he quit task he would not be the last person to arrive. The roadblock itself was ardous. I would estimate that even the best teams would have trouble completing it in under 1.5 - 2 hours. It was not unrealistic to assume that weaker teams could take three or more hours to complete the task. Given the fact that half the teams hadn't even arrived at the location yet, Rob's plan was was astute and clever. The primary fault lies with the TAR production staff. They were practically begging for this situation to arise when they reduced the penalty from 24 to four hours. I didn't like it when Hayden/Aaron + Adam/Rebecca considered pulling the stunt last season, and I don't like the fact that three teams pulled the stunt this season. But the program itself enabled this scenario, and I hope to hell that they return to the original rule next season or they may end up losing a viewer. I will hold quitting the roadblock against Romber (only the two sheep they convinced to quit will be ranked behind them in my Love List this week), but most of the blame should be passed on to show staff.
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150. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Ever watch Marquesas? Rob was the FIRST to puke in the gross food challenge.
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03-16-05, 11:54 AM (EST)
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161. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
That's my point Slice. Rob's a wuss a eating challenges. So I wasn't surprised he opted not to complete this one. But he turned it around in his favor anyway.
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153. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Yes, it was in effect for TAR 6 when Lena & Kristy were eliminated. Hayden & Aaron took the same 4 hour penalty at the lock roadblock to come in 4th.
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03-15-05, 11:37 PM (EST)
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123. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-16-05 AT 02:52 AM (EST)I think you fail to see my point. "Quitting" if you can't finish isn't genius, but it is smart.
The timing of the quit and the game play following was genius. Follow along: Rob knows that all the other teams focus on him. Rob & Amber were one of the first teams to arrive at this challenge. Rob knew that this challenge would be very difficult, and might take several hours,
and some teams might not complete it at all.
He assessed the competition. Rob knew other teams were going to arrive shortly, and his penalty clock would begin ticking. By dramatically quitting the task, he planted seeds of doubt in all the other little minds.
"If a big guy like the Great Survivor can't do this, how will I ever finish?" Under the guise of an alliance, Rob convinces Ray and Deana that she can't possibly finish
and that the smart thing to do is to stop and take the penalty.
In effect, get behind him in line. Brilliant. As soon as Deana quit, others began to seriously doubt themselves, and Meredith joined them on the sidelines.
They "dared quit" even though they had no idea the remaining teams were not close behind.
That's not luck, that's stupidity, and manipulation of the stupid. Now Rob is ahead of two other teams who haven't even seen their clock begin ticking.
And those other teams are grateful! Rob played Ray & Deana like a violin, and Gretchen & Meredith followed in harmony. ****
This is a great, great difference from Aaron and Hayden quitting, because they knew that elimination
and a spot in the final three was hanging in the balance.
They quit out of frustration, not as a strategy. ***
And it's not because it's Rob.
I proposed the same strategy on this board right after we saw the soup challenge in the previous race.
Quit and take the penalty, knowing that some folks might not complete it in four hours. ***
Here's Reality TV's first great example of strategic "quitting":
Final three of the first Survivor, Hands on the Idol, an endurance test.
Hatch drops out almost immediately, and laughs about it.
He knows that either of the other two players will take him to the finals.
He gets to rest, and they fight for their lives. It's not giving up if it is strategy.
These reality show contestants need a reality check!
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03-15-05, 11:46 PM (EST)
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126. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-15-05 AT 11:47 PM (EST)Exactly, Joisey!While I do have an admiration for Lynn/Alex, Uchenna/Joyce, and the other teams who finished the Roadblock, I don't think that taking the four hour penalty was a stupid move. It was a risky move, yes. If Debbie/Bianca and Susan/Patrick were closer behind, Meredith/Gretchen or Ray/Deana would have been in trouble. Either way, however, when Ray/Deana agreed to quit, Romber was safe. We shouldn't get caught up on tasks. The Roadblocks and Detours are lots of fun to watch, but there is a certain amount of strategy and decision making involved. I've watched so many Roadblocks over the years, that it was kind of nice to see a different result.
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129. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
I'm not saying it was stupid, because I don't think it was. I just don't think it is praiseworthy either.
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157. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
> I just don't think
>it is praiseworthy either. It was a great move! Some of you will just don't like Rob .... for whateveer reasons so no matter what he does you will criticize him. Based on the comments that I read, IT APPEARS TO ME that most that dislike him are just jealous!!! That is just my opinion...no flames PLEASE!
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128. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-15-05 AT 11:59 PM (EST)I see your point, such as it is, exactly, and I disagree entirely, and think you give Rob entirely too much credit. This is exactly like Hayden and Aaron, and a far cry from Rich. Had A/R not magically found their lock seconds after H/A made their decision, H/A would have been around for the final leg. The outcome was different, but the strategy was the same. The only difference is that people here are blinded by Rob and already hated H/A. I defended the latter agaist the rabid haters then, and I'm balancing the view of the rabid fanbots now. I will neither praise nor condemn either; my position on both instances is the same. It is yours that is not. ETA that I'd say Rob being one of the first to arrive, hardly trying, and being the first to quit, makes it LESS smart, not more. He lost ground by pulling an unnecessary stunt, plain and simple. Also, note that I'm not calling this an easy task by ANY stretch of the imagination. I know damn well I couldn't do it, at least not quickly. But I could do it in under the 4 hour penalty (plus whatever time he was already there) by pacing myself and taking breaks to digest. 
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133. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-16-05 AT 00:16 AM (EST)"This is exactly like Hayden and Aaron," Not even close. Hayden's decision to quit the task was tantamount to surrender. There was no strategy behind that other than to leave it to fate. "Had A/R not magically found their lock seconds after H/A made their decision, H/A would have been around for the final leg." WRONG.
They had no better than a 50-50 shot, which were far worse odds that Rob faced. already hated H/A. Not me. I hated Freddy & Kendra above all others, and actually thought H/A were going to win. my position on both instances is the same. It is yours that is not. Simply because the instances are completely different. The more I think about this, the more I believe that the four hour penalty was chosen for precisely this moment. No one drops a challenge with a 24-hour penalty. With a two-hour penalty, teams would skip tasks all the time. But four hours? Now that's a gamble. (Unless you can find idiots who will happily follow you to the finish line.)
I think we have to agree to disagree, but I think your dislike of Rob colors your thinking.
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137. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-16-05 AT 11:58 AM (EST)Oh c'mon, do the math. Rob had eight teams behind him, many of which had yet to arrive. Hayden had one team tied with her for the final spot and they were minutes away from both teams leaving the mountain. At best H/A would have a few minutes head start, and both teams were notorious in their ability to get lost.
A 50-50 cab-shoot, no better. Hayden had no opportunity to manipulate the outcome once she quit.
Rob had the opportunity, and he manipulated things in his favor. If you don't like quitters, that's fine. Condemn them both. Perhaps you just don't like manipulation, and don't find that praiseworthy.
I can accept that. But strategically, Rob's move was much smarter.  edited to fix a typo
These reality show contestants need a reality check!
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139. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
I think we're talking past each other. I don't know that I disagree with what you're saying, that the range of outcomes was smaller for H/A, but I do disagree with the value you assign to each. Because H/A was a last-chance gut-shot. They might have been eliminated, yes. But they would CERTAINLY have been eliminated if they hadn't. Rob didn't know how far ahead he was. Potentially more rewarding, and perhaps less likely to end in elimination, but not any more or less smart. I think both moves were riskier and safer, smarter and dumber, for different reasons, and so, in the end, I'll call them equal.
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151. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-16-05 AT 07:57 AM (EST)I think TJ has a good point. I rewatched the episode this morning (I've got the summary with Fishercat) and you could see that Deana was already struggling with the food only a few minutes after arriving and Rob saw this and used it to his advantage -- he didn't back out of the challenge until after Deana started eating, so perhaps seeing her struggle gave him the impetus to quit and then work on Ray to have her quit as well. If this is what happened, then combined with the fact that there were still 6 or so more teams to come, it was a great move by Rob to get out of doing a task and ensuring he would still be ahead of someone even if the following teams were to arrive and eat quickly. YES, if he couldn't get Deana and Meredith to quit and the other teams arrived and ate quickly, then I think Rob would have tipped his hat and shrugged his way to the pit stop in last place, but he felt it was worth the risk. Paid off, big time. By comparison, Hayden flat out quit and said to Aaron "I can't go anymore" without any thought to strategy or thinking about the fact that Adam and Rebecca were still going at it. At least there was no strategy presented to us on camera -- it wasn't until later when we realized that they *might* have been able to save themselves if Rebecca was unable to finish soon and had to wait until morning with the last ride down being at 7 pm. I think that if Rob knew there was a stiffer 24-hour penalty or something equally bad for not finishing the task, he would have gone ahead and done it in full. Blame the producers for setting up a situation where a contestant could quit and take advantage of the rules, Rob just merely took stock of the situation and decided it was worth the risk -- you could see that he didn't quit until after he had seen Deana struggle and he had thought about the situation with Amber, such as asking her to clarify the rules etc. Rob = strategy, Hayden = crying quitter. FWIW, I was a big-time Rob hater in S4 and had begrudging respect for his game play in S8 even if I still thought of him as an arsehole. Now? I'm having a hoot watching him, so nobody can accuse me of being a fanboy. I love that teams are thinking about strategy and plotting in TAR -- too many teams in the past just went from clue to clue like robots without thinking ahead or seeing who was behind them.   
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158. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Another interesting point is that Rob didn't start working on Ray/Deana until after another team had come in, thereby confirming that R/A would leave at least minutes sooner than Ray/Deana, assuming another team would have arrived quicker than they did.
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134. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
I AM HE, bash Rob and Amber all you want, but please, stop with bashing the people here who like them. It's getting quite tiresome.I don't see any sense in what you said above. This is exactly like Hayden and Aaron, and a far cry from Rich. Rob didn't quit out of frustration with the task. He thought out how he could get around this task, before he made a decision. He had a plan that assured him of finishing well. Just like Rich. Brilliant stragegy, not whining baby, like Hayden. The only difference is that people here are blinded by Rob and already hated H/A. I defended the latter agaist the rabid haters then, and I'm balancing the view of the rabid fanbots now. Huh? Talk about rabid hatin. Not to mention insulting. It is yours that is not. Wow. Really? What makes you say that? We'll just have to see how much ground R/A lost before we can call this a "less smart" move. Heck, it took Patrick over 2 hours just to take his first bite. Quitting the task may not be the best strategy, but convincing other teams to follow? That is what was brilliant.
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03-16-05, 00:31 AM (EST)
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138. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
I'm finding this quite tiresome. And I don't think I've really been bashing Rob and Amber here at all, unless you consider unwillingness to fall down and worship them bashing. I think the rest has already been implicitly or explicitly covered in my posts or those of others already, I think I'll bite my tongue there, else I might actually get insulting. Peace.
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140. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
Whatever.I'd just appreciate not being called a dumb fanbot, or being portrayed as an idiot who can't type just because I recognize good game play, or heaven forbid, actually like one of the TAR teams. mkay? Now if you'll excuse ME, I need to "fall down and worship" some more. I think I'll bite my tongue there, else I might actually get insulting. Too late.
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146. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
After reading your assesment of this episode's gameplay, Rob has now been demoted to just "Smart".Team Joisey you are The GENIUS! (esp with your counter arguments with I_AM_HE further down this thread!) I guess it may sound like praising Rob but i think the people who do are just rooting for him. The rule change on the penalty made that was one of the better episodes of TAR yet for me. Otherwise it would've looked just like any other leg with people throwing their guts out and so what? If anything, Rob was thinking long term-which is what strategy is about. I'm not praising Rob. I just want him to win.
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127. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
*Note: I was/am not a Survivor fan*Okay, now that that's out of the way, I only knew of R/A and I just love the way they are racing. The Hayden and Aaron situation was TOTALLY different. They were fighting for a finals position and they were OPENING LOCKS, not eating 4 lbs. of nasty (probably cold) beef. The half hour Hayden spent complaining about not being able to open locks could have been more effectively spent on the task. I am sure it was annoying and frustrating, but really, how bad do you want to win? Rob KNEW he could quit the eating task and still place in the race. He quit because he could and there's nothing in the TAR rules that say you can't. D/B and P/mommy had no choice but to do the task. You'll notice that Patrick didn't want to do it, but knew he had to suck it up or be eliminated. Unlike Hayden, he kept on plugging and they are still alive. There's a big difference. That being said, even before tonight, I wondered why TAR has eating challenges anyway. That seems more Survivor/Fear Factor like. I would rather see mental challenges based on local culture than puking. It just seems so tasteless for a show that is overall pretty classy.
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03-16-05, 03:21 PM (EST)
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167. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
well, they said it was a traditional Argentinian BBQ, so maybe they thought that WAS culture...
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03-15-05, 11:53 PM (EST)
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130. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-15-05 AT 11:56 PM (EST)Rob is a hockey guy, just ask shakes. Taking advantage of the rules, even if it means taking a penalty, is a legitimate strategy in some sports; intentional fouls in basketball, intentionally grounding the ball or interfering with the receiver in football, these things go on. The trick, really, is to know when to do it. It wouldn't have worked out for Rob and Amber except on this particular challenge, in all likelihood. If it had simply been disgusting foods it probably wouldn't have worked, but the TAR producers seem to favor the gutbusting food challenges and that's why it worked.
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03-16-05, 00:25 AM (EST)
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136. "RE: TAR7 EP3 East Coast Update Thread" |
No argument, I'd much rather see the spectacular Hail Mary come from behind to win pass, that's certainly more admirable. But that wasn't the right strategy for Rob at that time, he didn't have the Hail Mary in him, he couldn't do it, so he did what was most advantageous for him under the circumstances. Admire it or not, he's still in the game.
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03-16-05, 12:44 PM (EST)
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163. "Agree" |
LAST EDITED ON 03-16-05 AT 12:47 PM (EST)Exactly. What the 4-hour penalty does is add an element of strategy to the game, and there are tasks that can't legitimately be completed in 4 hours. This wasn't a mistake by the producers; instead, it was a DELIBERATE CHANGE. Look, to me the impetus for this change was all the way back in Episode 9 of Season 1, when Momily couldn't find the private car at the detour. Remember that Momily still arrived at the finish about 12 hours before the Guidos, who had the fast forward then loafed to the end -- but Momily was out because of the 24-hour penalty, even though everybody in civilization wanted to see the arrogant Guidos go because of their huge blunder? The four-hour penalty is a compromise. It's a big enough penalty to be significant, but it's small enough that you can incur it and still survive. Is deliberately taking the penalty reprehensible? Not at all, in my view. YMMV. What it is is a risk, because you've transferred your fate out of your control. It worked for Romber this time. It also worked for Deanna and Meredith. It didn't work for Hayden & Aaron. But it was a gamble in all cases. What made this case different was that Rob convinced OTHERS to employ the strategy. That sets this situation apart. And I also agree that the Yield is the stupidest idea in the game right now. Finally, I agree with this quote from iwannabearealitystar: That being said, even before tonight, I wondered why TAR has eating challenges anyway. That seems more Survivor/Fear Factor like. I would rather see mental challenges based on local culture than puking. It just seems so tasteless for a show that is overall pretty classy. To me, a "must-puke" challenge is a Fear Factor challenge. I'm not a Fear Factor fan. You could safely say that I hate Fear Factor. So KEEP THOSE KINDS OF CHALLENGES OUT OF TAR, m'kay?
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03-16-05, 05:44 PM (EST)
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169. "Rebuttal?" |
We may end up agreeing to disagree, AyaK, but I have to add my two cents here. I am very cognizant of the fact that the change in the time penalty was an intentional move on the part of producers. I'm sure they were licking their chops that a situation like the one that occurred last night would arise and provide tension and entertainment. To their credit, I have to admit that yesterday's episode was indeed interesting. It was a cheap thrill however, and a thrill that is entirely antithetical to the spirit of show that the producers have tried to build since the inaugural season. Ever since Momily's elimination at the hands of Team Guido, noncompletion of task has been THE cardinal sin of The Amazing Race. Until Rob, any team that even contemplated quitting was given a negative edit. See Flo's meltdown at the boat challenge in Vietnam (although not much editing was needed there ), Marshall/Lance in Egypt, Paul of TAR Classic, etc. Then, contrast those with Lena/Kristy last season, where the team is given a dramatic and emotional sendoff after continuing to persevere despite the little hope that remained. Probably the clearest example of all is the Diesel Fuel episode of TAR3. Four teams fell victim - Aaron/Arianne, Mike/Kathy, Teri/Ian, and Flo/Zach. The two teams that sat around and felt sorry for themselves ended up being the next two teams eliminated, while the two teams that took matters into their own hands ended up being the top two finishers in the entire race. Luck conjoined with the ideals of the show that day, and that's why I think it remains one of the most powerful of all the TAR episodes. Again and again, the series has reiterated that teams should never give up, no matter what their current position. You never know when another team might have made a gargantuan blunder. That never say die attitude has been woven tightly into the ethos of the show, and that's why some people who had enjoyed Rob until this point somewhat turned against him yesterday. As stated before, I blame the producers, not Rob. Although some may accuse me of overexaggeration, I truly believe that yesterday's turn of events was The Amazing Race's Ghost Tribe moment - an electric and exciting event that is totally against the premise that the producers have tried to build up over the course of the seasons. Just as you think the Fear Factor style food challenges are not in keeping with the spirit of TAR, I believe that when the producers allow quitting to be an option they violate that same spirit. FFFX
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03-16-05, 06:05 PM (EST)
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170. "RE: Rebuttal?" |
Add to the list of the valiant poor Joyce (of Bob/Joyce, not the current Joyce) who gulped down two pounds of caviar even though she already lost.
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03-17-05, 10:39 AM (EST)
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178. "RE: Disagree somewhat" |
I thought that, for the amount of meat they were required to consume, the challenge may have worked better as a detour, ie BOTH members of the team required to sit down at the table and eat OR an alternative challenge that was a bit easier to complete but far far FAR away... That way, 2 pounds of gross meat per person... that's more doable... Also, since BOTH are subjected to the torture, you'll see less arguments of "If I were doing it, I'd just vomit and keep going..."
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03-17-05, 01:46 AM (EST)
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176. "RE: Disagree somewhat" |
And it probably wouldn't have worked on other than a gutbusting eating challenge. Clearly, IMO, the TAR producers should stop having gutbusting eating challenges.
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03-18-05, 03:11 AM (EST)
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184. "RE: Agree" |
i totally agree with doing away with gutbusting challenges especially for this show.if TAR wanted to show traditional cuisine in each of the counties, then i'd rather see people try local delicacies that are really exotic to Americans. there are lots to choose from. Balut (duck eggs with an almost formed embryo inside), chinese Century Eggs, deep-fried crickets, raw split duck head dipped in red spice, the list goes on! and no one seems to have noticed that showing Americans shovelling food into their mouths and then throwing them up can be pretty insensitive to many countries where people strive very hard to put at least one meal on the table. i realized this when i was watching the rerun at a friend's place and his household helper was watching along while cleaning the living room. and instead of the usual grossed out reaction to people puking, she said (translated) "what a shameful waste...all that food". sad.
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03-18-05, 02:32 AM (EST)
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183. "RE: Agree" |
From what I read somewhere (maybe here, not gonna even think about searching for it), Rob and Amber sought out the TAR producers for their appearance in this show, not the other way around. I'm a little bit skeptical of that, since they previously cast a Big Brother drama queen and her boyfriend for TAR. But that flopped, they were annoying and little else on TAR.The lesson they should take from this, if any, is to look for folks who are best suited for TAR. The BB drama queen and her boyfriend were a flop. Rob's game attitude actually seems better suited to TAR than to Survivor, the way things are turning out. So, cache from having been on another reality show should mean nothing to the TAR folks, they should only consider it if the realityho has shown something that would make him/her better suited for TAR. Hope that made sense.
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03-15-05, 11:03 PM (EST)
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115. "RE: Creeeeeepy..." |
Damn it! I wanted Susan and Patrick to get eliminated. My favorite team was Debbie and Bianca. And I hate Susan and Patrick because Patrick is such a little #####.
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03-16-05, 00:59 AM (EST)
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144. "RE: Creeeeeepy..." |
Without Romber, this show would be far less enjoyable. Any chance we can get them on some more reality shows? (other than their own wedding show)
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03-16-05, 03:24 PM (EST)
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168. "RE: Creeeeeepy..." |
How about "The Biggest Loser" since all Amber wants to do is for her and Rob to lose some weight?
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03-16-05, 09:44 AM (EST)
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156. "RE: Creeeeeepy..." |
How will Patrick and his mom fit in, since they are the first mom/son team? Do they go where Gus and Hera did in TAR6?
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