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"Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Much has been said about Fantasia and her baby. Whether she brought the baby on the stage, or whether Ryan brought out the baby without her knowledge is one issue I don't much care about.

But I'd like to bring up another point:

Teen pregnancy is a big problem in America, and Fantasia now personifies the issue. To some folks she is not a good role model. I think her baby will hurt her chances of winning.

Please don't lecture me on teen mothers, or what a great job Fantasia does, or how much support she has from her family. Don't tell me I'm hatin on her, or that I'm a racist. That's not why I started this thread.

Actually, scream at me all you want. I don't care, I'm just analyzing what I see on TV.

Josh Gracin's baby probably brought him votes, since it added to his "clean-cut All-American soldier with a beautiful blonde wife and a little baby at home while he was out saving the world" image.

But beware, all you Fantasiacs.
Some people will be offended by unwed teen mother status. She will lose votes every time that baby gets mentioned or shown.
UNLESS, she provides the husband to go with it.


I don't care much about the baby myself... but please don't wear the taco again.


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 RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor missygirl3 04-25-04 1
   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor Ant 04-27-04 40
   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor angry 08-03-04 200
 RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor volsfan 04-25-04 2
 RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor callalilly3000 04-25-04 3
   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor HuskiesFan 04-25-04 5
       RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor Ant 04-27-04 43
           Careful AyaK 04-28-04 67
               RE: Careful mistofleas 04-28-04 68
               RE: Careful a 05-10-04 168
           RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor I_Got_Nutn 05-04-04 115
       RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor lapinguina4 05-24-04 190
   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor Ant 04-27-04 41
 RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor joannie 04-25-04 4
   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor okaychatt 04-25-04 6
   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor StarryLuna 04-25-04 10
       RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor Loquatrix 04-25-04 11
           RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor minkey 04-25-04 13
               RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor applesugar 04-26-04 25
           RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor okaychatt 04-26-04 22
           RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor Ant 04-27-04 44
           RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor angelworth29 04-28-04 57
   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor theincrediblehugey 04-25-04 12
       RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor okaychatt 04-26-04 23
       RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor okaychatt 04-26-04 24
       RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor Ant 04-27-04 45
 RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor greenmonstah 04-25-04 7
   Agree with the Monstah Breezy 04-26-04 17
   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor Ant 04-27-04 46
   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor selaine42 05-19-04 182
 RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor idlegossip 04-25-04 8
   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor greenmonstah 04-25-04 9
   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor rjrabbit 04-26-04 31
   John Bleats Ant 04-27-04 47
 RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor thetick 04-26-04 14
   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor Kraz4clay 04-26-04 15
       RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor pretty_pretty_princess 04-26-04 19
           RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor Chrissy gal 04-26-04 20
           *snort* mrc 04-27-04 37
               RE: *snort* pretty_pretty_princess 04-27-04 38
                   RE: *snort* mrc 04-28-04 69
       RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor arg2 04-28-04 55
   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor geg6 04-26-04 18
   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor Ant 04-27-04 48
 RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor 1simplyme 04-26-04 16
   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor fury 04-26-04 21
       RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor GinaVendetti 08-03-04 202
   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor applesugar 04-26-04 26
   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor TeamJoisey 04-26-04 27
       RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor anotherkim 04-26-04 28
   Speaking of Jasmine Ant 04-27-04 49
 RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor dkay1211 04-26-04 29
   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor calamityc 04-26-04 30
       RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor thisit2004 04-26-04 33
   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor Ant 04-27-04 50
 RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor thisit2004 04-26-04 32
   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor TeamJoisey 04-26-04 34
       RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor thisit2004 04-27-04 35
       RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor thisit2004 04-27-04 36
           RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor mistofleas 04-27-04 42
               RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor thisit2004 04-27-04 52
                   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor thetick 04-28-04 54
                   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor mistofleas 04-28-04 56
                       RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor ginger 04-28-04 59
                           RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor mistofleas 04-28-04 62
                               RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor emydi 04-28-04 63
                                   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor mistofleas 04-28-04 64
                                       RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor EnglProf 05-04-04 112
                                           RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor mistofleas 05-04-04 114
                                               RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor brvnkrz 05-05-04 123
                                                   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor dabo 05-05-04 124
                                                   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor probably clueless 05-05-04 125
                                                       RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor brvnkrz 05-05-04 127
                                                           RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor dabo 05-05-04 129
                                                   The Greatest Love of All thetick 05-05-04 128
                                                       RE: The Greatest Love of All probably clueless 05-05-04 130
                                                           RE: The Greatest Love of All thetick 05-05-04 131
                                                           RE: The Greatest Love of All Ant 05-08-04 158
                                                               Ding Dong...Infestation Control is ... greenmonstah 05-09-04 164
                                                               Warning Bebo 05-10-04 170
                                                       RE: The Greatest Love of All mistofleas 05-05-04 134
                                                           RE: The Greatest Love of All Ant 05-08-04 159
                                                               RE: The Greatest Love of All mistofleas 05-09-04 165
                                                                   RE: The Greatest Love of All Ant 05-10-04 166
                                                                       RE: The Greatest Love of All mistofleas 05-10-04 172
                                                                           Where do I send my Resume? thetick 05-10-04 173
                                                       RE: The Greatest Love of All Ant 05-08-04 157
                                                       I'm Cursed thetick 05-19-04 177
                                                           RE: I'm Cursed mistofleas 05-19-04 178
                                                               RE: I'm Cursed thetick 05-19-04 179
                                                                   Red-headedly tempts thetick mistofleas 05-19-04 180
                                                                       RE: Red-headedly tempts thetick thetick 05-19-04 183
                                                                           All right, enough of that, you two TeamJoisey 05-20-04 186
                                                                               RE: All right, enough of that, you ... thetick 05-20-04 187
                                                                                   RE: All right, enough of that, you ... mistofleas 05-20-04 188
                                                                                       RE: All right, enough of that, you ... TeamJoisey 05-20-04 189
                                                                       RE: Red-headedly tempts thetick RuffNeck 05-19-04 184
                                                                           RE: Red-headedly tempts thetick mistofleas 05-19-04 185
                                           RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor desert_rhino 05-04-04 118
                                           RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor Bebo 05-05-04 135
                                               RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor Devious Weasel 05-05-04 139
                                                   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor mistofleas 05-06-04 143
                                                       RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor thetick 05-06-04 144
                                                       RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor brvnkrz 05-06-04 145
                                                           RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor mistofleas 05-07-04 149
                                                               RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor brvnkrz 05-07-04 151
                                               RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor Ant 05-08-04 160
                               RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor TeamJoisey 04-28-04 65
                                   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor mistofleas 04-28-04 66
                   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor Devious Weasel 04-29-04 76
                       RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor desert_rhino 05-04-04 109
                           RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor mistofleas 05-04-04 111
                               RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor desert_rhino 05-04-04 117
                   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor GinaVendetti 08-03-04 201
       RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor Ant 04-29-04 71
           RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor mistofleas 04-29-04 72
               Not at terror at 16. But now... TeamJoisey 04-29-04 73
                   RE: Not at terror at 16. But now... mistofleas 04-29-04 74
               RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor Ant 04-30-04 77
                   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor mistofleas 04-30-04 79
                   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor TeamJoisey 04-30-04 80
                       RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor mistofleas 04-30-04 81
                   God??? Is that you? anotherkim 05-04-04 119
                       RE: God??? Is that you? mistofleas 05-04-04 121
                           RE: God??? Is that you? dabo 05-04-04 122
                           totally flabbergasted desert_rhino 05-05-04 132
                               RE: totally flabbergasted anotherkim 05-05-04 141
                       RE: God??? Is that you? Bebo 05-05-04 136
           RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor Estee 04-29-04 75
           RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor GinaVendetti 07-29-04 197
   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor Ant 04-27-04 51
       as an unwed mother I must say.... Lisapooh 05-11-04 174
           RE: as an unwed mother I must say..... mistofleas 05-11-04 175
           RE: as an unwed mother I must say..... TeamJoisey 05-12-04 176
 RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor Ant 04-27-04 39
   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor thisit2004 04-27-04 53
       Huh? mrc 04-28-04 70
       RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor GinaVendetti 08-03-04 203
 RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor geg6 04-28-04 58
   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor ginger 04-28-04 60
       RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor geg6 04-28-04 61
       RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor Ant 04-30-04 78
 RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor shanana banana 04-30-04 82
   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor TeamJoisey 05-01-04 83
       Why does anyone care? shedevil 05-01-04 84
           RE: Why does anyone care? thisit2004 05-01-04 85
           RE: Why does anyone care? shanana banana 05-01-04 86
           RE: Why does anyone care? TeamJoisey 05-01-04 87
               RE: Why does anyone care? shedevil 05-01-04 88
       RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor Ant 05-01-04 91
           RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor TeamJoisey 05-01-04 92
               RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor thetick 05-02-04 94
                   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor TeamJoisey 05-02-04 95
                       RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor thetick 05-02-04 96
                           RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor PC452 05-02-04 97
                               RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor TeamJoisey 05-02-04 98
                           RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor mistofleas 05-03-04 99
                               RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor thetick 05-03-04 101
                                   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor mistofleas 05-03-04 102
                                       RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor thetick 05-03-04 103
                                   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor TeamJoisey 05-03-04 104
                   Dear thetick anotherkim 05-04-04 120
                       RE: Dear anotherkim thetick 05-05-04 126
                           RE: Dear anotherkim Bebo 05-05-04 137
                               RE: Dear anotherkim anotherkim 05-05-04 140
                               RE: Dear anotherkim Ant 05-08-04 161
                           Hey! zombiebaby 05-05-04 138
   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor Ant 05-01-04 90
       RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor shanana banana 05-01-04 93
 RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor udg 05-01-04 89
   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor mistofleas 05-03-04 100
 RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor true 05-03-04 105
   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor mistofleas 05-04-04 106
       RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor Bebo 05-04-04 107
       RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor true 05-04-04 108
           RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor mistofleas 05-04-04 110
       RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor Devious Weasel 05-04-04 113
 RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor zombiebaby 05-04-04 116
   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor desert_rhino 05-05-04 133
       RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor ginger 05-05-04 142
 OH PLEASE FRANTASIA ROCKS AND YOU K... kittykat_meowee08 05-07-04 146
   O PLZ MANTASIA IS CRAPTACULAR 'N' U... thetick 05-07-04 147
       RE: O PLZ MANTASIA IS CRAPTACULAR '... mrc 05-07-04 148
       RE: O PLZ MANTASIA IS CRAPTACULAR '... pretty_pretty_princess 05-07-04 152
   RE: OH PLEASE FRANTASIA ROCKS AND Y... mistofleas 05-07-04 150
       RE: OH PLEASE FRANTASIA ROCKS AND Y... Ant 05-08-04 155
           RE: OH PLEASE FRANTASIA ROCKS AND Y... TeamJoisey 05-08-04 162
   RE: OH PLEASE FRANTASIA ROCKS AND Y... GinaVendetti 07-29-04 198
 Somebody shoot this thresd TeamJoisey 05-07-04 153
   RE: Somebody shoot this thresd bob_chester 05-08-04 154
   RE: Somebody shoot this thresd Ant 05-08-04 156
       Warning Bebo 05-10-04 171
       RE: Somebody shoot this thresd GinaVendetti 07-29-04 199
 RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor dduffyrice 05-09-04 163
   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor Ant 05-10-04 167
       RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor bob_chester 05-10-04 169
 RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor selaine42 05-19-04 181
 RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor Lindae 06-12-04 192
   Warning Bebo 06-13-04 193
 RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor thetick 06-14-04 194
   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor mistofleas 06-15-04 195
       RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor thetick 06-17-04 196
   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor PepeLePew13 10-17-04 204
 RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor consise10 12-10-04 205
   RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor dabo 01-04-05 206
       This thread is over! TeamJoisey 01-04-05 207

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missygirl3 541 desperate attention whore postings
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04-25-04, 08:35 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
I dont like Fantasia as a singer and I dont really care that she is a teen mother. I think she has an attitude every week and I cant wait for her to go. If she wins, uhhh.. no comment. I am going to catch alot of flak for this, but who cares.
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40. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Whovever designed this board has some attitude themself. I acccidently hit the edit button on someone else's post and it told me I could not edit the message because I don't own it.
Anyway,it may be true that Fantasia is cocky but I like her. I like her because one thing she is not is fake. She seems to be very straightforward. Of course,I think she is a fantastic singer as well. However,I do not think anyone should jump on you for not liking her as long as her race or her baby are not factor for you and I think it was smart of you to say that you would not comment if she wins. That shows some character.
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200. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
dumb comment and now i hope that you feel stupid
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2. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
TJ, I am with you on this one. I don't think her baby is going to help her. I thought it was odd that Seacrust came out with the baby. However, I don't think it was a good idea.

I don't like Fantasia's voice and I think she has a huge attitude that really gets under my skin. Her attitude goes beyond being confident to very arrogant. That won't win her any votes either!

Just MHO!


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3. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
It personally doesn't bother me that Ryan brought her daughter on stage. I do however, have to agree with the you in regards to teen/ unwed mothers.

It does not present a positive message to teenage girls and boys, and this issue bothers alot of people, that may sway people from voting for her.

She has great talent and a super voice, it shouldn't matter what she does in her personal life, but as we all know, when you become a star, your life becomes an open book.

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5. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
When I had originally brought this up on another thread I was thinking that by bringing the baby out, they were trying to present her as a "softer soul", not the person who needs a good attitude adjustment. I thought it might win her votes.

This has obviously turned out to be not true. She fell hard and fast.

It seems that the general public did not accept her teenage mothrhood. Kudos to the voting public! Yes, I give her credit for accepting the responsibility of motherhood, but in a day and age where there are so many ways to prevent pregnancy (abstinance being #1) it is unacceptable and not the actions of a role model.

Since it appears that so many kids are voting, it is refreshing to see that it is not accepted.

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43. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Personally I do not care for your judgemental attitude or the judgemental attitudes of others that may be penalizing her for being an unwed mother. There is one judge and He is God Almighty and I am very confident that He will judge the judgers with the same harsh judgement that others have judged Fantasia. Let him or her that hath no sin cast the first stone. Anybody remember or are familiar or agree with what Jesus,the only one worthy to judge,said? Besides, I thought all of us were supposed to be evaluating contestants based on their talents and not their sins. Hmmm.

P.S. I know some may object to the religious language I am using but when people start judging folks based on their sins,what can one do but remind them what the source of their judging,the Bible,actually says? Take care.

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67. "Careful"
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Personally I do not care for your judgmental attitude or the judgemental attitudes of others that may be penalizing her for being an unwed mother. There is one judge and He is God Almighty and I am very confident that He will judge the judgers with the same harsh judgement that others have judged Fantasia.

Congratulations on your close connection with (I presume) the Judeo/Christian God. Personally, I've never met Him (Her? It?), but it's nice that you're able to speak for The Almighty.

Anybody remember or are familiar or agree with what Jesus,the only one worthy to judge,said?

Oops, scratch the "Judeo/" above.

P.S. I know some may object to the religious language I am using but when people start judging folks based on their sins,what can one do but remind them what the source of their judging,the Bible,actually says? Take care.

Why do you presume that they are judging based on the Bible?

OK, all kidding aside, I don't care if posters want to base their posts on the Bible, the Torah, the Koran, the Bhagavad-Gita or any other religious document. But I do want them to remember that there isn't just one religion represented on this board.

Reminds me of an old Oliphant cartoon from the 1980s, at a time when the Reagan administration was pushing for "elective prayers," claiming that students would be free during these prayers to worship as they saw fit: an elementary school classroom is filled with students with their heads bowed in prayer ... except for four at the back, dancing around a fire wearing Native American clothing. The teacher yells at them: "CLASS WILL CONFINE ITSELF TO THE ONE TRUE, ALL-AMERICAN, GOD-FEARING METHOD OF PRAYER!"

In here, though, we don't confine anyone.

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68. "RE: Careful"
In here, though, we don't confine anyone.

Thanks for the reminder Ayak! As usual, you get right to the point and do it equitably.

Wait? Does this mean I can get skyclad and jump the AI fire?


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168. "RE: Careful"
GREAT PLEASE NO GOD TALK HERE
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115. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
I have to wonder how someone with such strong religious convictions can justifiy to themselves watching "American Idol".

The Bible is crystal clear on the subject of idol worship, and yet every week you congregate in front of the TV. You honor their talents and praise them to all who will listen. You offer up your votes and hope that your idol will be chosen the best in the land.

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190. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
i personally was a teenage mother-i had my son when i was 17. please believe me when i say this-i didn't get pregnant because i saw other girls getting pregnant. that is not the reason most teenagers get pregnant. some people preach abstinece and think this is going to solve the problem, well it won't. i think the way to go is to preach birth control. kids are going to do it no matter what. they should at least be safer about it.


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41. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Although I do not judge Fantasia for deciding to have and not abort her baby after she was conceived, I did feel uncomfortable when Ryan brought the baby on the stage. I was like,why are they doing this? They know that some people have a problem with her unwed mother status and are like rubbing their faces in it. I just sensed that it was a bad move and would hurt Fantasia. Sadly,it appears that I was correct. Sometimes life just is not fair.

P.S. I do not believe Fantasia had anything to do with the baby being put on display like that. The producers are responsible in my opinion and I think that they blow chunks.

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4. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
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We've known that Fantasia was a mother since she reached the top 12. It certainly hasn't hurt her yet. While there may be people who won't vote for Fantasia because she is an unwed mother, I think there also going to be those who vote for her because she is. Some people are going to look at Fantasia as "overcoming" her struggles. Still others will vote for her because she has a cute baby. I remember that Nikki McKibben also played the baby card, and didn't she make it to fourth place? And she didn't have HALF the talent that Fantasia does!

*Edited because I can't spell!

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6. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
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Fantasia is making the best of her situation. It doesn't bother me one way or the other. She loves that child with all her heart. She is doing the best she can to see about her. That is a good example.

We have no idea what lessons Fantasia might share with her following if she's crowned AI. I doubt she'd use her position to preach unwed pregnancy.

I'm rarely swayed by one thing in any kind of election. Life and politics are too complex to get caught up in one single issue.

I'm not a Fantasia fan simply because her bleating voice makes me cringe.

ETA I meant to post under TJ's original post.

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10. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
I was going to bring up Nikki too, but you beat me to it, Joannie! Yep, Nikki had a child and her child was quite a few years older than Fantasia's. I remember one episode where her child walked up to the stage and gave her a flower after she performed. And Nikki went on to finish third.

Fantasia's baby doesn't really bother me. I understand that she may lose votes because of it, but at least she's stepped up the plate and handled her responsibilities. She makes no secret that her daughter is the most important thing in her life. I don't think she's playing it for the show, I think she just loves her daughter that much.


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11. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
>She
>makes no secret that her
>daughter is the most important
>thing in her life.
>I don't think she's playing
>it for the show, I
>think she just loves her
>daughter that much.

But this is to say that parents who make a circus act out of their love for their children are the only ones who love their children. My parents love me enormously but neither one of them felt a need to haul me up in front of their peers and parade me around as if I were an item on their resume that indicated what good people they were, and I'm sure most ordinary people would say exactly the same thing about their parents.

It is (or should be) an absolute given that parents love their children more than anything else in the world. Fantasia parading her offspring around on national telly as if that's a way to tell people, "Look how much I love my child! Aren't I a great person!" shouldn't garner her any more admiration than John Stevens going up there and saying, "I haven't murdered anyone's granny! Everyone vote for me over the other competitors in this contest who have not yet come out and demanded admiration for something we should all be able to expect from them!"

The introduction of Fantasia's child was a marketing ploy. There is a good reason that politicians go around kissing people's babies at photo opportunities -- because with the kind of people who just don't have a very thorough thought process (aka the average dimwit), it doesn't hurt one's chances in the voting to appear kindly towards babies as a generic indication of "niceness". Whipping out the Baby Card during a competition is nothing other than a cynical attempt to garner votes and I am delighted that America seems to have indicated to Fantasia that they are not fooled by the utterly irrelevant factor that she cares for her own offspring.

Having a child in anything but optimal circumstances for the child's well being is, unfortunately for those children, something that happens all the time but is never something to brag about. Fantasia may be a terrific mother, but like I said, that's not something to give her extra points for. That's something society has a right to expect from all women who choose to reproduce.

Major points off for Fantasia, in my book, for thinking that America as a whole is dumb enough to play along with it. It's a singing competition. One's ability to reproduce (and let's face it, the vast, vast majority of us can do this just as well as Fantasia can!) shouldn't enter into it. And when someone drags it into the competition, they should be slapped for it via the vote.

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13. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
I'm not convinced that the baby display was Fantasia's idea. As another poster mentioned, Fantasia seemed rather surprised when Ryan brought out her daughter and she didn't grab the baby, hold her up or smother her in kisses for DAW photo-ops. She seemed rather hesitant instead.

Frankly, she gave her worst perfomance the night before, and I hope that had more to do with the outcome than the baby.


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25. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Minkey - You said it. I didn't know how. Good Job. Although I am not a Fantasia Fan (I'm still crying over Jen) what you said was on the money!!!
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22. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Seacrest brought the baby to Fantasia. What was she supposed to do? Cross her arms, frown, and demand the child get off stage?!
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44. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
All we know is that Ryan Seacrest brought the baby out. We do not know that Fantasia had anything to do with that and it is foolish of you and others to say otherwise. Best to get your facts straight before attacking folks' character.
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57. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
That's the best post I've read in a REALLY long time! If only I could express my thoughts so well!
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12. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
I suspect that the baby factor could do more to harm Fanstasia's chances than help.

Next week, Fantasia and LaToya may try to pick up Jennifer's fans by channeling Jen's powerhouse style. LaToya would probably be more successful at that. Fantasia is fairly entrenched in her own style and manages to put her print on every song she sings. She is more likely to stay true to herself.

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23. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
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My computer is messing up big time - can't get it to post my response. I'll try another post.

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24. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
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Sorry - I give up. Guess the computer didn't like my rant.

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45. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
As you can see,Gloria Estefan's songs do not exactly lend themselves to power vocals.
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7. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
"UNLESS, she provides the husband to go with it. "

Are you volunteering, TJ?

I think Fantasia's biggest problem, is that she has the power to polarize the voting public. She seems to invoke strong reactions out of people...you love her or hate her. As we get down into the final numbers, this may wind up really hurting her.

The teenage mother aspect certainly does nothing to enhance her "all american image". (This is where Kelly, Ruben and Clay, fit the bill) I think overall, people have already made up thier minds about her...The baby factor will add fervor to both camps in different ways: sympathy and disdain.


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17. "Agree with the Monstah"
She said what I was thinking, the baby just intensified how different people feel about her.


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46. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
You said the right word. Image. For we do not know what any of these people do in their private lives. That is why I think it is really stupid to judge or praise people that you really do not know for having good or bad character. People really should stick to judging the contestants' talent. Judging them on other factors is just plain wrong and foolish,in my opinion.
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182. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
what does the baby have to do with all of this........... they need to stop the public from voting....there too many ignorant people out there........ sorry but, fantasia doesn't need any of your votes because she is already a winner.......... she's rich already............. ask clive davis
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8. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
When Fantasia was first told she was going to Hollywood, I didn't care for her at all. I don't like Macy Gray, and I thought she was very raspy and annoying. As time has gone on, though, she has shown more style, and she has grown a great deal as a performer. She is wearing showy clothes, her hairstyle is changing, and I kind of like her spunk.

She may have had a bit of an attitude while Simon was giving it to her about her dress or her songs, but she didn't get downright rude with him - she just kind of bantered back at him. Even his remark about how he didn't think she ever put those lips to better service was playful, as is her reaction most of the time.

I don't know that she'll get to first place, but I've grown to like her as a person. I don't know that I'd buy her CD though. Jennifer had grown a great deal, but now that she's gone, I can see where Fantasia has grown, too. I don't even dislike John as much as I used to, but I really hope the poor kid gets to go home soon.

In all honesty, how are John or George supposed to get up on stage and try their best after the bashing they took last week? To be omitted completely from the positive remarks from the judges, and to have Paula and Randy on talk shows begging for America to wake up, wouldn't they almost want to pass on their turn?

Hey, Greenmonstah, whattaya think of my signature? Thanks for your encouragement.


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9. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
I love it!!!!! Great choice!


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31. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
I agree with everything you said and couldn't have said it better myself.

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47. "John Bleats"
Someone referred to Fantasia's singing as bleating. I find that utterly ridiculous considering the fact that John Stevens pretty much bleated out his Gloria Estefan song with that staccato voice of his while Fantasia definitely did not. Not her best performance,but she definitely did not and never has sounded like a sheep.
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14. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
maybe it's not the baby factor

maybe it's the gap toothed hoochie mama trailer park hodawg factor
or perhaps the screeching banshee factor
then again the insufferably rude factor
and/or the arrogantly narcissistic factor
possibly the nauseatingly over stylized factor

I am sure that I am forgetting some possibility, its right on the tip of my tongue... hmm maybe after my big finish I'll remember the other possible reason for disliking her:

yeah, yeah, yeah...YAHHH,yeah YE-AHHHHH, yeah yeh ye y, ....Yeah, yeah .. yeah yeah yeah... Yeah.. Yeah. YEah. yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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15. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
this is to funny... I thought I was the only one that is tired of hearing yeah...yeah...yeah... in every song she sing. I don't think I could stand getting a cd hearing her sing yeah yeah yeah in every song...
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19. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
So, on Latin night, will she sing "Si,si,si"....?

Just wondering.

I think what most people are offended by is that Fantasia was 17 when she had the baby -- possibly 16. That is the difference between her & Josh Gracin, who was a responsible adult when they had a baby. Just my opinion....

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20. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
So, on Latin night, will she sing "Si,si,si"....?

I like that, PPP!! At least it would be a change!

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37. "*snort*"
"So, on Latin night, will she sing "Si,si,si"....?"

*snort*

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38. "RE: *snort*"
Enlighten me as I am new to this...

Is a *snort* a good thing or a bad thing? Not that it's going to change my jaded, sarcastic sense of humor, but it's good to know in the future...

Thanks! (I think)

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69. "RE: *snort*"
I have a scale:

chuckle or snicker--mildly funny
snort--pretty darn funny and usually tinged with a hint of approving sarcasm
Phhhtttttttt!--spit-my-drink-out funny

I'm sure there are more, or maybe people use it/them differently here.

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55. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Not one yeah tonight though.
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18. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
What thetick said...plus the taco factor.

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48. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
What are you? A saint? I doubt it especially considering the way that you just put Fantasia down. If it was not so sad it would be comical to watch one sinner trying to pass judgement on another. Get over yourself. You are not so Holy and are definitely not good enough to stand in judgement of another. Hoochie mamma? How low of you.
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16. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
It's really sad when people find themselves intimidated by a baby! Like it or not: "Red", Dianna, nor Jasmine can touch Fantasia when it comes to singing talent. Fantasia will have a contract, and fortunately there are enough people who are judging her on her singing talent and not her personal life choices. Wake up people!
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21. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
There's no doubt Fantasia is talented. That's not the point. The point is she annoys people. Unlike Latoya, who has talent AND class. For that reason, Latoya deserves to win
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202. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Fanatsia has talent and if she didnt have talent why is she on American Idol.
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26. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Where to go 1simply me!! That was a great comeback!!
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27. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
There ARE plenty of people who will judge her on talent alone. Hooray for them.

But if talent was the only yardstick being used, we wouldn't have this final six. We know some voters make their choices for reasons of gender or skin color or birthplace, among the other moronic reasons we've seen on this board.

Teen pregancy may not carry the shame it once did, but believe me, there are viewers who will vote against the unwed teen mother. In a tight contest, it could make a difference. It is not the image some people want for an "American Idol."

Lastly, I don't need to wake up. Perhaps you need to go back and read what I wrote. I think I'm looking at this with a clear head and wide open eyes. I'm certainly not intimidated by a baby, by Fantasia, or by her rabid biased fans.

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28. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
I totally agree with you, TJ. I think it will have a negative effect on her. If you're looking for an "Idol", the average Joe doesn't put "unwed mother" on the list of criteria.

Miscellaneous Ramblings
--is not passing judgement on Fantasia's personal life.

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49. "Speaking of Jasmine"
She sounded like a teenage girl amateur trying to sing a song by a professional woman singer tonight. Wait a minute,that is what she is,right? Fantasia did not do her best tonight,but at least she sounded like a grown woman. Not a kid.
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29. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
I so agree with you.....I think that since so much of the Idol audience is young, this is not the message to send out...it's kind of like, look, Fantasia had a baby at 17 and is on Idol, so it's ok...just my opinion...
The biggest thing that bugged me that week was the overall impression of favoritism that I came away with....not only the bringing out of baby, but just the constant backstage shots of the whole family watching Fantasia on TV...we see brief clips of everyone else's family IN THE ACTUAL AUDIENCE after each performance, but I thought the attention on Fantasia and her family was quite excessive that week....
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30. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Have to agree with dkay. It may not be true, but it has appeared the judges were biased toward Fantasia. But I also saw the expression that a poster above noted, Fantasia seemed surprised and not all that pleased that the baby was on stage (the baby didn't look all that happy to be there either!).
I don't really look at it as whether Fantasia should have a baby or not, but rather whether it is fair to try to manipulate viewer emotions, even though it seems to have backfired.On the one hand they are hollering "talent, talent" and on the other they are emphasizing things that have nothing to do with talent.
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33. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Right
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50. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
I disagree. I think that America's youth could greatly benefit from knowing that although having a baby as teenager out of wedlock and dropping out of scho ol are not good things,one can overcome the problems associated with those actions and be successful anyway. Fantasia,in spite of the judgemental attitudes of some,is a great role model of someone taking responsibility for their mistakes and perservering in spite of self made and outside obstacles(some of which presented by judgemental people) in their quest to be successful.
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32. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Okay let me say a couple of things.

Like some of the other people on the thread has said. No one promotes kids before marriage.

I have a 3 year old child and I'm not married however me and his father and now engaged and getting married next year. And no it's not because we have a son together we have been together for 7 years so we thought that it was about time to take the relationship to the next level. Everybody is doing what it takes to make a child but some people are not getting caught up like some of us are

That is what is wrong with the USA today, we spend so much time trying to judge each other and not see that she/he made a mistake and is now learning from it. If that person had a child without being married then that it between God and that person.

Who are we to Judge??

I have learned a valueable lesson that rising a child is nothing easy and its even hardly when you are trying to work full time and be a full time college student. At least she is trying to do something with her life and not just have babies after babies.

Me,Fantasia and many other girls have faced our mistake and is now owning up to the responsibilities, instead of heading to the abortion clinic.

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34. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
thisisit2004:

I applaud your decision to have the baby, and I double the applause for your decision to marry the father. Those are great things, and I wish you and your family the best. And you say you are still attending college. You deserve a standing ovation for that!

I also applaud Fantasia for her decision to have the baby, and wish her and the child well. But I do again want to emphasis a few points.

You said "everybody is doing what it takes to make a child but some people are not getting caught up like some of us are."

You know that's not true. Not every teenager is having unprotected sex. That is is a choice, with risks and consequences. Teen pregnancy is usually the result of some truly poor decisions made in passionate circumstances.

And I'm sure you've experienced this: There is still a stigma that comes with unwed motherhood. Some people look at you with disdain.

You say also that you and your husband-to-be want to take your relationship "to the next level." You have to admit that is not the traditional path of love, marriage, children. For many, having children is the top level. Deviating from that tradition bothers some people, particularly the deeply religious.

Given a final two of LaToya and Fantasia, or Jasmine and Fantasia, or Diana and Fantasia; some people will find Fantasia less worthy because of her teen pregnancy. I am not condemning her personally, but just want to point out that it may affect the voting.

And you ask: Who are we to Judge?
The correct answer is, of course, we are not here to judge.

But the truthful answer is:
We are American Idol Voters!

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04-27-04, 02:43 PM (EST)
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35. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Thanks for giving me some applaused. Making the decision to have the child and continue with my education had made me more mature and has also taught me alot of things. College itself is hard with being a nursing major and all just imagaine putting a baby with it. Kind of makes your head spend!!!

When I first got pregnagnt the first thing I thought about was, what is everybody going to think of me at church? The main people who are teaching us not to judge are the main ones who look down on us. I know that having a child un wed is wrong please believe me when I say that it will never happen again.

Nothing is 100% safe against pregnancy but don't do it!!! So I say again everyone is having sex with or without a condom. You are still at a risk!!!

"Teen pregnancy is usually the result of some truly poor decisions made in passionate circumstances."

Right, at the time it feels so right b/c of the feelings.

When the girl becomes pregnant the first thing that she thinks about is what is everybody going to say, how are they going to look at me, I don't want anybody to look down on me or think different about me.

I think that America should stop critizing teen moms and condemned them for owning up to the responisblities!!!

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04-27-04, 02:54 PM (EST)
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36. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Something else I forgot to add:

Having sex before marriage is wrong anyway so just b/c some people have sex and they make a baby is no wrong then having sex and not making a baby.

The best advice I can give is:

If your not married don't have sex at all!!

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42. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Something else I forgot to add:
Having sex before marriage is wrong anyway...

Just wanted to point out that this is your opinion not an actual fact.

Oh and TJ...right with ya brother, I think it has the potential to hurt Fantasias chances as well. I don't agree with the judgements that would vote against her for it, but the fact is those possibilities are there.


--wonders if having a baby out of wedlock is just as "wrong" as being married and not having children at all

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04-27-04, 10:52 PM (EST)
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52. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
mistofleas:

How old are u??

Please tell me you are under 16??

Having sex before marriage is wrong, if you are going by the bible. Please ask your parents and see what they say about it.

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54. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
hang on a sec

BWAHAHAHAHAHAWAHAWAGHAHAAAAHAA

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04-28-04, 10:27 AM (EST)
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56. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
LAST EDITED ON 04-28-04 AT 10:55 AM (EST)

mistofleas:
How old are u??
Please tell me you are under 16??

Well I can tell you I'm old enough to actually spell the word "you" as opposed to using "u".

Having sex before marriage is wrong, if you are going by the bible. .

This is where I say that your statement is your opinion. It's your opinion that sex before marriage is wrong because you're "going by the bible." I don't follow the same path as you therefore I do not hold the same opinion.

Please ask your parents and see what they say about it

It's been quite some time since I've had the sex talk with my parents, but if it will make you feel better, I'll call my mother. She'll get a pretty big kick out of it.


--follows theticks example and laughs

Edited because my spell checker did me wrong

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59. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Misto - Shouldn't you be doing your homework, young lady?



Couldn't resist.
BTW, I am also 16.

"Any government that would deny a gay man bridal registry is fascist." Margaret Cho

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62. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Misto - Shouldn't you be doing your homework, young lady?

Awww man! *stomps foot* But I wanna go to the Mall!


--wonders if kids still go to the mall or if she like, totally just dated herself

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63. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
But the real question is, what color leg warmers will you be wearing?

emydi

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64. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Pink of course. The one that matches my Pat Benatar headband!

*sings*
We are young, heartache to heartache we stand
No promises, no demands
Love is a battlefield
We are strong, no one can tell us we’re wrong
Searchin’ our hearts for so long, both of us knowing
Love is a battlefield


--had 2 of those cool shredded skirts

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05-04-04, 11:42 AM (EST)
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112. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Dating yourself again, Misto!

Either that or you really are sixteen and just got back from 13 Going on 30 (which I have already seen despite almost being twice as old as your 16 year old self!)

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114. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Dating yourself again, Misto!

Yup, that's one thing that's great about multiple personalities!


--calls herself Sybil

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123. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
If you have multiple personalities is it considered premarital sex if you have sex with one another? Please call your Mom and ask her for me Misto.


if you don't have anything nice to say, come sit next to me.
CASH Wine gopher

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05-05-04, 00:49 AM (EST)
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124. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Yea verily unto thee I say the word thee seeketh be narcissism.
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125. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
And who's responsible if ya get knocked up?


A Kittyloaf®Original
*Inquiring minds want to know...*


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127. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
We'll have to wait for Misto's Mom to tell us.


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05-05-04, 01:13 AM (EST)
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129. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Yea verily unto ye I say Go forth Be fruitful And multiply 'Tis what thee were designed for. If ye have complaint with this take it up with thy designer.
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05-05-04, 01:09 AM (EST)
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128. "The Greatest Love of All"
>If you have multiple personalities is
>it considered premarital sex if
>you have sex with one
>another? Please call your Mom
>and ask her for me
>Misto.

Well, since this is becoming such a Divalicious turn of the thread, I have a song request for Misto:

Whitney Houston - Greatest Love Of All Lyrics

I believe the children are our future
Teach them well and let them lead the way
Show them all the beauty they possess inside
Give them a sense of pride to make it easier
Let the children's laughter remind us of how it use to be
Everybody's searching for a hero
People need someone to look up to
I never found anyone to fulfill my needs
A lonely place to be
So I learned to depend on me

Chorus:
I decided long ago, never to walk in anyone's shadow
If I fail, If I succeed
At least I live as I believe
No matter what they take from me
They can't take away my dignity
Because the greatest love of all
Is happening to me
The greatest love of all
Is easy to achive
Learning to love yourself
It is the greatest love of all

I believe the children are our future
Teach them well and let them lead the way
Show them all the beauty they possess inside
Give them a sense of pride to make it easier
Let the children's laughter remind us how we use to be
Chorus
And if by chance that special place
That you've been dreaming of
Leads you to a lonely place
Find your strength in love

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05-05-04, 01:23 AM (EST)
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130. "RE: The Greatest Love of All"
Dood...

The proper etiquette is to hand out barf bags before making any WH lyric posts.


A Kittyloaf®Original
*Clean-up...Isle 9!!*


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131. "RE: The Greatest Love of All"
that's Bobby's job
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05-08-04, 05:35 PM (EST)
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158. "RE: The Greatest Love of All"
>Dood...
>
>The proper etiquette is to hand
>out barf bags before making
>any WH lyric posts.
>
>
>A Kittyloaf®Original
>*Clean-up...Isle 9!!*

You are sick. And I do not mean physically in terms of being nauseated. I mean in terms of your mind and your spirit. Seek help. Please.


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164. "Ding Dong...Infestation Control is here..."



Clueless happens to be my buddy.

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170. "Warning"
Ant, bashing other posters is not appropriate on these forums. If you can't keep your debates related to the arguments presented, then keep them to yourself if you wish to continue posting here.
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134. "RE: The Greatest Love of All"
Narcissistic love songs!! Woo Hoo!

For thetick:

I love me, I love me, I love me
and where I go I'll follow, I'll follow, I'll follow
I'll always be my true love, my true love, my true love
from now until forevah, forevah, forevah...!

and

I am so beautiful...to me can't you see!
I'm everything I hoped for...
I'm everything I need...
I am so beautiful...to me!

and

I love me...yeah, yeah, yeah
I love me...yeah, yeah, yeah
with a love like me...you know that can't be bad.


--meglomanically loving herself

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159. "RE: The Greatest Love of All"
>Narcissistic love songs!! Woo Hoo!
>
>
>For thetick:
>
>I love me, I love me,
>I love me
>and where I go I'll follow,
>I'll follow, I'll follow
>I'll always be my true love,
>my true love, my true
>love
>from now until forevah, forevah, forevah...!

>
>
>and
>
>I am so beautiful...to me can't
>you see!
>I'm everything I hoped for...
>I'm everything I need...
>I am so beautiful...to me!

>
>and
>
>I love me...yeah, yeah, yeah
>I love me...yeah, yeah, yeah
>with a love like me...you know
>that can't be bad.

>
>
>
>--meglomanically loving herself


Nothing wrong with loving yourself,especially in Fantasia's case when so many people like yourself are hating on her.

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165. "RE: The Greatest Love of All"
LAST EDITED ON 05-09-04 AT 07:49 PM (EST)

Nothing wrong with loving yourself,especially in Fantasia's case when so many people like yourself are hating on her

Show me. Show me where I've ever...and I mean EVER on this board been "hating on her". If you're going to be accusing me of "hating" on anyone, I want to see the proof.

(edited to remove sig pic because I save that only for posts that make me happy)

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166. "RE: The Greatest Love of All"
>LAST EDITED ON 05-09-04
>AT 07:49 PM (EST)

>
>Nothing wrong with loving yourself,especially in
>Fantasia's case when so many
>people like yourself are hating
>on her

>
>Show me. Show me where
>I've ever...and I mean EVER
>on this board been "hating
>on her". If you're
>going to be accusing me
>of "hating" on anyone, I
>want to see the proof.
>
>
>(edited to remove sig pic because
>I save that only for
>posts that make me happy)
>


I believe that at some point you said that you believed that she was parading her child to get points with the viewers. I considered that to be hating. If I have confused you with someone else,I apologize.

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172. "RE: The Greatest Love of All"
I believe that at some point you said that you believed that she was parading her child to get points with the viewers.

As I wrote before: Show me.

I considered that to be hating

Perhaps you do. I don't. Either way, show me where I said she was parading her child to get points with the viewers.

If I have confused you with someone else,I apologize.

I believe you have confused me with someone else. I don't take that very lightly apology or not. It shows me that you're willing to just type the first words that come to your mind without taking into consideration who you accusing and the validity of that accusation.


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173. "Where do I send my Resume?"
I probably said it. I've said it all at some point. I believe it, and I neither need nor care about someone attempting to read the tea leaves of my motivations.

All that is beside the point. If the HEAD HATAH job for MANTASIA is available, where can I apply?

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157. "RE: The Greatest Love of All"
>>If you have multiple personalities is
>>it considered premarital sex if
>>you have sex with one
>>another? Please call your Mom
>>and ask her for me
>>Misto.
>
>Well, since this is becoming such
>a Divalicious turn of the
>thread, I have a song
>request for Misto:
>
>Whitney Houston - Greatest Love Of
>All Lyrics

>
>I believe the children are our
>future
>Teach them well and let them
>lead the way
>Show them all the beauty they
>possess inside
>Give them a sense of pride
>to make it easier
>Let the children's laughter remind us
>of how it use to
>be
>Everybody's searching for a hero
>People need someone to look up
>to
>I never found anyone to fulfill
>my needs
>A lonely place to be
>So I learned to depend on
>me

>Chorus:
>I decided long ago, never to
>walk in anyone's shadow
>If I fail, If I succeed
>
>At least I live as I
>believe
>No matter what they take from
>me
>They can't take away my dignity
>
>Because the greatest love of all
>
>Is happening to me
>The greatest love of all
>Is easy to achive
>Learning to love yourself
>It is the greatest love of
>all

>I believe the children are our
>future
>Teach them well and let them
>lead the way
>Show them all the beauty they
>possess inside
>Give them a sense of pride
>to make it easier
>Let the children's laughter remind us
>how we use to be
>
>Chorus
>And if by chance that special
>place
>That you've been dreaming of
>Leads you to a lonely place
>
>Find your strength in love


Fantasia should just say to hell with all of her detractors and keep doing her thing out of love for herself in terms of wanting to be a success in life and out of love for her daughter in terms of wanting to make sure that she reaches her full potential by providing her with things that she herself did not have access to while growing up. Then Zion will indeed have a good chance at being our future in a positive way by helping to lead our society in positive ways. Heck,maybe one day Zion could be president. Who knows?

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177. "I'm Cursed"
No really that was a joke request

I never ever meant for Clive to take it seriously

shoot me now

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178. "RE: I'm Cursed"
LAST EDITED ON 05-19-04 AT 00:15 AM (EST)

No really that was a joke request
I never ever meant for Clive to take it seriously
shoot me now

Well tick, it looks like your lot in life is to be Cassandra. The woman (though I'm pretty sure you're a man) who was cursed with the ability to see the future and doomed to have no one believe her.

Poor tick. Here I'll make you feel better:

SPOOOOOOOON!!!!


--helping out her friends sinc 1785

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179. "RE: I'm Cursed"
If I thought you were serious about the spoonin' we could go from pretty sure to certain in nothing flat.

i've always had a weakness for redheaded vixens

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05-19-04, 08:39 AM (EST)
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180. "Red-headedly tempts thetick"
SPOOOOOOOON!!!!

*give come hither look*


--hopes it doesn't matter to thetick that the red comes from a bottle

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183. "RE: Red-headedly tempts thetick"
...coming hither

and it's not where it comes from but where it ends up that matters

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186. "All right, enough of that, you two"
Hey! This is MY race-baiting, bluenose, hate-mongerin' thread. You wanna have unwed teen babies of your own, go rent a thread in OT.

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05-20-04, 02:18 AM (EST)
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187. "RE: All right, enough of that, you two"
LAST EDITED ON 05-20-04 AT 02:22 AM (EST)

...channelling the scene from Risky Business...

But we have nowhere else to go!

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188. "RE: All right, enough of that, you two"
*Busted*

Ahhh sorry mom, hormones got the best of me!

Besides, what do you expect it is flea and tick season!


--hands TJ a golden flea color to protect him

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189. "RE: All right, enough of that, you two"
I hope it works on "Ant" problems!
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184. "RE: Red-headedly tempts thetick"
Misto, I've been sitting here reading through this thread and must say you ROCK. You've made a boring day at work tolerable.
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185. "RE: Red-headedly tempts thetick"
Oh stop! You're embarassing me.

*pauses*

Ah hell, who am I kidding? I love it!

*hands out a smooch to Ruffy*


--meglomaniacal since 1966

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118. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
{drool}

Jennifer Garner.

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135. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
>Dating yourself again, Misto!

Well, at least that way she has someone to go to the prom with.


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139. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
I bet she ditches herself and goes off with someone else.

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143. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
I bet she ditches herself and goes off with someone else.

I just broke my heart by telling myself I'm gay.

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144. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
did you tell yourself:

"not that there's anything wrong with it"

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145. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Really? Ask yourself if yourself is free to go to the prom with me then because nobody will go with me because I am gay.


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149. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Ask yourself if yourself is free to go to the prom with me then because nobody will go with me because I am gay.

Wait a second. You're gay??!!


--giggles

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151. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Actually, I'm a women so technically I am a lesbian.


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160. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
>>Dating yourself again, Misto!
>
>Well, at least that way she
>has someone to go to
>the prom with.
>
>
>
> >color = 'blue']Snarky, smart, S7
>Anti-Bootee Champ and YOUR American
>Idol.

Indeed. lol


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65. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"

>Awww man! *stomps foot* But I wanna go to the Mall!

Do you need to get the prom dress, or did you run out of Clearasil?


Picturing Misto at 16... she must have been a terror.

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66. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
I had to get the econo jugs of Clearasil as a teen but thankfully that's all in the past!

Picturing Misto at 16... she must have been a terror.

I was actually a pretty boring kid. I spent most of my time reading, studying and listening to classical music. It wasn't until I graduated that I let it all loose!


--is just coming into her second wind

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76. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
If Misto's under 16, that puts me back under 20! Yes! So long, last 25 years of my life!

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109. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
woohoo! Misto and I were born in the same year, IIRC... I could stand to be 16 or 17 again. Might do things differently, but hey...

-- JV


I would probably have a lot MORE premarital sex. What would YOU do? (yes, this thread sucked me over from OT... but only 'cause I heard it featured misto and sex. {grin} )

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111. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
I would probably have a lot MORE premarital sex. What would YOU do? (yes, this thread sucked me over from OT... but only 'cause I heard it featured misto and sex. {grin} )

*liiick* You'r so easy JV!


--wouldn't have waited as long

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117. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Hey. I may be cheap, but I CAN be bought.

-- JV


I'd kill for a ripe avocado right about now. Wouldn't you?

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201. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Thisit2004 Your not the only 1 I agree with you too.
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71. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
I can tell you that I used to be a deeply religious Christian myself and I never judged people the way some of the people on this board and off this board have judged Fantasia. It is not deeply religious people that go crazy judging folks. It is the self righteous hypocrites that are living a lie but pretending to be Holy that are the most judgemental people of all. I guess they feel that if they spend their time tearing down other people,people will not see the crap that they do or will not realize just how sinful they truly are. People like that remind me of the story of the Pharisee and the common man. All the Pharisee could do was talk about how Holy he was and how unholy the other man was but all the poor man could is admit to God how sinful that he was. Well,when the praying was done,it was the common man that was vindicated while the Pharisee remained a most pathetic example of a unrepentant and judgemental sinner. Anybody want to continue bashing Fantasia for her sins now? And yes I realize that other people on this board may be atheists or or other religions besides Christianity but if you do not get my point,you are kind of dense. Take care.
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72. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Ant: I'm not exactly sure who you're responding to with this post but I'm going to respond directly to you with mine.

The point of this whole thread was to discuss the issue of Fantasia being an unwed mother and that it might factor in to some peoples votes. That's what we've been discussing. There are people out there that will look at Fantasia and not vote for her simply because she's an unwed mother. And whether she's a good singer or not, that may cost her the competition. (if of course the "unwed mothers are sinners" faction care enough about it to vote over and over for someone else.

In my initial response to thisit2004, I said that I didn't agree with the judements that would vote against her. Meaning those what would use her unwed mother status as a sinner, as the reason to not vote for her. I agreed with TJ that it might be a factor. (which again is the point of the thread). So far the only "judgements" I've seen on this board are from you and thisit2004 judging those of us who agreed with TJ in the first place. (which wasn't "judging" Fantasia, simply bringing up the topic in the first place).

In case you think that what you wrote isn't "judging" read what you wrote again:
It is the self righteous hypocrites that are living a lie but pretending to be Holy that are the most judgemental people of all. I guess they feel that if they spend their time tearing down other people,people will not see the crap that they do or will not realize just how sinful they truly are.

and

And yes I realize that other people on this board may be atheists or or other religions besides Christianity but if you do not get my point,you are kind of dense.

That is judgement (just so ya know).

Oh and yes, I do get your point. I know exactly what you're saying. Do you?

Anybody want to continue bashing Fantasia for her sins now?

Continue bashing Fantasia? Sure, that's what I'm here for, to praise and bash all of the contestants. For what you consider her "sins"? Nope, I don't consider peoples sins, it's not my business. Besides, you have to actually believe in the word "sin" (in the judeo/christian sense of the word anyway) in order to even consider it. Which I don't.


--hopes this clears things up and we can get back to the original topic at hand

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73. "Not at terror at 16. But now..."
Misto, thanks for stepping on the Ant.

I ran out of energy, and this thread has run out of steam.

But some folks just have to attack other people for being judgmental.

It's a funny world.

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74. "RE: Not at terror at 16. But now..."
Sure TJ sweets, anything for you doll.

I probably should have just left it alone, but honestly I couldn't let that kind of post just sit there. Especially not when it was based on a mis-representation of why you originally started the thread.


--helping out since 2001

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77. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Well,mist,it is not judging if you are right in what you are saying. It is telling the truth. I think it should be quite obvious that whoever has judged Fantasia is not quite right themselves. Otherwise,they would not be so hard on her or anyone else. Everybody makes mistakes. It is those that dwell on and penalize others for their mistakes that prove themselves to not be of such character themselves. I am not talking about penalizing people for criminal offenses of course. Maybe you will say that is judging too but I say that is telling it like it is. And yes,some people will allow the fact that she has had a baby out of wedlock to influence how they vote. I am just glad that it appears that there are not currently enough folks judging her to seriously hinder her chances of winning at this point. She is better off than she was last week,that is for sure. Take care.
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79. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
*throws up her hands*

I'm out TJ honey...there's obviously nothing more I can do here.

Care to try?

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80. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
it is not judging if you are right in what you are saying.

That's why you have no credibility in this argument, or on this board. You are judging others when you say we have no right to be so judgmental, and then insist you are the only righteous person in the discussion. This holier-than-thou attitude has made you a laughing stock.

Apparently you have a real problem with people finding fault with the contestants, particularly Fantasm Burrito. And you refuse to address the actual point of the thread, which is that some people are sickened by teen pregnancy and unwed motherhood. And it will affect the voting.

If you can't stand the critcism of unwed motherhood, or any other personal failings among those who put themselves in the public eye, then I don't think this is the right web site for you. We are unabashedly judgmental, and you will not change that.

Good luck with the rest of your life.



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81. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
See why I left it to you TJ? You said it great!


--reminds everyone she "hearted* TJ first

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119. "God??? Is that you?"
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not judging if you are right in what you are saying

That has to be one of the most arrogant things I've ever read on this site and I've seen some doozies. How can you possibly say that with a straight face? What on earth makes you RIGHT and those who don't agree with you wrong?

Miscellaneous Ramblings
--flabbergasted since 6:57 CST May 4, 2004

**edited for incorrect date...der.

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121. "RE: God??? Is that you?"
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--flabbergasted since 6:57 CST May 4, 2004

I hear ya girl!

That has to be one of the most arrogant things I've ever read on this site and I've seen some doozies. How can you possibly say that with a straight face? What on earth makes you RIGHT and those who don't agree with you wrong?

Here, jump on. We'll fly up to the clouds and ask god what she thinks about that statement!




Mistofleas
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122. "RE: God??? Is that you?"
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Yea verily I say unto ye, Love is all you need Love is all you need Love is all you need Love is all you need Love is all you need Love is all you need Love is all you need Love is all you need Love is all you need Love is all you need Love is all you need Love is all you need Love is all you need Love is all you need Love is all you need Love is all you need ...
SMILES ARE FREE

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132. "totally flabbergasted"
Does that mean I get a free ride?

-- JV


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141. "RE: totally flabbergasted"
The good things in life, despite what you may have heard, are never free.

Miscellaneous Ramblings
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136. "RE: God??? Is that you?"
Are you there, God? It's me, Margaret.

Sorry, that's what popped into my head when I saw that message title.

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75. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
John F. Kennedy at the 1958 Gridiron dinner:

'I had a dream the other night, and I told Stuart Symington and Lyndon Johnson about it in the cloakroom yesterday. I told them how the Lord came into my bedroom, anointed my head, and said 'John Kennedy, I hereby appoint you President of the United States.'

Stu Symington said 'That's strange, Jack, because I had a similar dream last night, in which the Lord anointed me and declared me President of the United States.'

And Lyndon Johnson said 'That's very interesting, gentlemen, because I had a similar dream last night -- and I don't remember anointing either one of you.''

(It relates. Oh, does it ever relate.)

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197. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Im Christian and I dont judge people. (Im Pentacostal)
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51. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
And I commend women like you and Fantasia. In spite of what some judgemental people may think,there are unwed mothers that have character.
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174. "as an unwed mother I must say...."
I'm really just an unrepentant slut, so don't give us so much credit. A lot of us, myself for example, are just plain skanky.
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175. "RE: as an unwed mother I must say...."
I'm really just an unrepentant slut,

Well yeah, but who am I to throw stones, I had premarital sex without talking to my mother first!


--would never in a million years call the princess a skank

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176. "RE: as an unwed mother I must say...."
Pooh:

I trust you understand my original point, which was that Fantasia's baby might cost her votes because some folks will dislike her unwed mother status. I'm not casting stones, just trying to point out the stones are there. In a final two with LaToya, where we've all seen this heading for weeks, Fantasia's baby could be a negative factor for the religious right.

Fantasia's sex life doesn't really matter much to me, but she's the only contestant where that's become an issue. She's certainly not squeeky clean. (Just squeeky.) We don't know much about LaToya, or Diana. And for all we know, Jasmine's an unrepentant slut. She did break up with her boyfriend just before the finals, and then told 30 million viewers she needed a real man.

One more thing. My 14-year-old son's friend is an only child, and I found out recently that her mom was an unwed teen mother. She did a great job and her daughter is a beautiful person. I have nothing but cheers for unwed moms who choose to keep the baby and raise them well.


Of course, I have nothing against unrepentant sluts. They are my favorite kind.
Plus, now that we know all this "unrepentant... skanky" stuff about Princess Poho, maybe I can get me a little honey! :wink:

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39. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
I agree,the baby is definitely hurting Fantasia. However,I really wish that people would stop being such judgemental hyprocrites and get over her unwed teenage mother status. It is not like they have not sinned or anything. Right?
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53. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Right!!

And them being so judgemental is a sin. So if you want to look at it that way a sin is a sin!!!! No greater than the other!!

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70. "Huh?"
*scratches head*

I'm not sure how this comment fits with what you said to misto. I must have missed something.

*waves to misto*

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203. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
I agree thisit2004
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58. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Personally, I couldn't care less about her motherhood, single or not. I do find her rather low-rent, but I thought that before the show shoved her baby in my face. Why do I find her rather low-rent? Well, I can assure you that it is not race. I have found several white contestants (most notably Kim Caldwell, Nikki McKibbin) to be low-rent, also. It's just an almost indefinable thing about how a person carries him/herself, reacts to criticism and praise, presents themselves publicly, and performs. It can vary from person to person and has nothing to do with social class, economic class, race, or gender. Latoya London has it, Fantasia does not.

I agree that there are many voters who will not like the fact that Fantasia is an unwed mother. Because I think that does not mean that I am making a moral judgment about her or any other unwed mother. She just may get the entire unwed mother vote. And good for her. She just won't get mine but her motherhood is not a factor. Her style of singing, her style of clothing, her way of carrying herself, her attitude on the show are the things that make me dislike her. She turns me off completely and did before I ever knew anything about her private life.

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60. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"

How do you feel about single mothers who can't really sing? Well, sometimes when I've had a couple of drinks, I sound pretty good...

Actually, just wanted to add, without starting whole new thresd, that I think the Shout Out to Jennifer didn't help her much, either. Seemed awkward. Plus, Jennifer is not DEAD or anything. Fantasia's gesture came off like a lighter version of the Biggie tributes.


However, I think she has talent and should still finish among the top 3.

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61. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
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I especially *heart* red-haired single mothers who can't sing, but have that elusive "class" factor. In fact, you could be the poster girl for that, ginger. *grins*

ETA: Gotta agree with shout-out comment, too, ginger. It was more than awkward to me. Just another sign of what I was talking about in my last post. I mentioned it in my love list, too.

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78. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
As you can see by her ranking this time,the shout out to Jennifer did not hurt her at all. Looks like maybe it helped. Take care.
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82. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
I think it was a mistake to bring Fantasia's baby on stage from both sides.

It gives the anti-teen mother folks an extra reason to vote against her. OR It makes her look like she's pandering for votes by trying to soften her image with the look-at-my-cute-baby move and helps her get the "wow, she's really overcoming the odds" vote.

I'm a big Fantasia fan. I hope she wins. But I think it was wrong for Ryan to bring her baby out on stage because either way it's going to bring out some sort of "extra" reaction from the voting audience that the other contestants won't get. Show the families from the audience, but don't give one contestant an advantage or disadvantage over the other by doing small things like this that could influence the vote.

Not to mention, I thought Ryan's comments the night Jennifer Hudson got booted to be entirely inappropriate, the whole "letting talent like this slip through the cracks." I didn't want Jennifer to go that night either, but he is dissing the other contestants by insinuating that she should still be there but somebody else should not. Who exactly should have went that night, Ryan?? Why don't you just come right out and say it?? I didn't mind so much the comments he made this week at the beginning of the show about all the e-mails and phone calls they received --- because he said it was up to us, the viewers, to keep our favorite contestants in the contest and there's nothing they could do about it. But the previous week his comments were quite pointed and barbed and were entirely inappropriate.

It's these little things that are done to influence the voters that really annoy me.

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83. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"

Banana, thanks for some rational discussion. I wondered at the time if Fantasia had really been surprised to see the baby on stage. It did seem calculated on somebody's part.

While I did not know Fantasia was a mom, I don't think it softened her image much if that was in fact the intent. I think most people either like her or dislike her just on her personality. And whomever decided that baby belonged on stage probably didn't consider any backlash.

And you are right about the unecessary extra reaction from both sides. It brings something other than talent to the voting, and there's enough sideshow already.

Ryan ought to be slapped around for the amateurish way they handled the George choice of group A, group B; and then slapped around again for the "how could you vote out Jennifer and keep these losers" speech. He's made his career on this show, but I don't see him succeeding elsewhere. He's smarmy, vile and inept.


These reality show contestants need a reality check!

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84. "Why does anyone care?"
Why does it really matter if Fantasia has a baby out of wedlock? If I remember correctly in the beginning the baby was shown in her "package" it wasn't kept a secret until the baby was brought out onstage. The only problem I have is the fact that the baby seems to have been used to get more votes. Fantasia being an unwed Mother has nothing to do with singing. I think it's silly that someone would chose not to vote for her because of this. I vote for someone when I like their singing, it has nothing to do with anything else.


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85. "RE: Why does anyone care?"
Hello, tell them again!!!
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86. "RE: Why does anyone care?"
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Joisey --- I agree with your comments about the way George was "shuttled" between group A and B that night as well --- it was embarrassing.....obviously, everyone thought "A" was the winner group and "B" was the loser group and to then pull a switcharoo at the last second was once again an insult to the "B" group, that they could never be the top vote getters. While I like the way they've done both the A, B, and C group divisions, I don't think they should play around with who is who --- just announce it and move on.

And one other complaint about Ryan -- LOL -- anybody else find it rude that he asked John if he was "relieved" to be voted out?? Anybody else remember him asking any other contestants that question?? And in John's "finale" package, the Jennifer Hudson vote out was featured as a clip as John's voiceover was saying something like "each week it's been harder and harder at the elimination round" -- um, if I remember correctly, John wasn't even IN the bottom three the week Jennifer got booted, so WHY did they even show it unless to address the controversy and insinuate that John should have been gone the week Jennifer was gone? I thought that was totally rude. Ryan is an @ss this year and the producers are making some really horrible choices when it comes to some of their production decisions.


Shedevil --- you may vote only based on vocal talent, but unfortunately, there are many many people out there who are not. I specifically know people who won't vote for Fantasia because she is too "ghetto," to use their word. And not trying to bring up the whole John Stevens controversy again, but there are people who admitted that the backlash he received each week from the judges and other fans made them want to vote for him, and I got the feeling that was whether or not they really thought he was the best singer. So all the little extra things do count and it's unfair to use them to an advantage or a disadvantage for particular contestants.

It shouldn't matter that Fantasia has a baby out of wedlock, but the truth is, is that it will matter to some people. Yes, it was included in her initial package, but not very prominently. I didn't realize it until a few weeks ago when I happened to read it in some article on AI contestants. I personally don't pay close attention to the contestant packages they put together at the beginning of the season because I find them to be a total bore. lol

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87. "RE: Why does anyone care?"

Shedevil,

Glad to hear it won't affect YOUR vote. And it won't change my mind either.

The point I'm making is that there will be voters who don't want an unwed teen mother given the title of American Idol.

I'm not espousing that point of view, just bringing it into the discussion.

BTW, all this discussion about being unfairly judgmental is really getting comical. Of course people should vote on talent alone. But we know they don't. So folks, accept reality.

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88. "RE: Why does anyone care?"
Shedevil,
Glad to hear it won't affect YOUR vote. And it won't change my mind either.The point I'm making is that there will be voters who don't want an unwed teen mother given the title of American Idol.I'm not espousing that point of view, just bringing it into the discussion.BTW, all this discussion about being unfairly judgmental is really getting comical. Of course people should vote on talent alone. But we know they don't. So folks, accept reality.

Yes I know that people aren't voting on talent alone, I asked " Why does anyone care about Fantasia being an unwed Mother?". I was asking those who have a problem with Fantasia because of the baby issue.


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91. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
But Joisey,John Stevens is a loser. At least,as far as singing goes. Disagree with that if you wish,but that is the truth.
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92. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
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For the purposes of this show, John Stevens is now a loser.

And for the purposes of this show, Jennifer Hudson is a loser.

But there were other people on the stage, and THEY haven't lost yet.

Ant, do you visit any other threads, or are you just here to disagree with me?

Has anyone ever asked to have their own thread locked?

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94. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Good lord Joisey

Don't encourage it to spread to other threads

At least it's contained here

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95. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
LOL... good point tick

But why me?

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96. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
you get major karma points for taking one for the team

Or, go the self locking route - that might be funny as well

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97. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Why should this matter? She had a son out of wedlock. Alot of people do, it can put people in certain circumstance, but it should not make them any less of a person.
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98. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Welcome to the discussion, and the boards.

Why should it matter? Because some people feel very strongly that unwed motherhood is morally wrong. Some people feel that teenage pregnancy is morally wrong. Some people feel that our "American Idol" should be someone we'd like to see people emulate. And some people feel that an unwed teen mom is not an "American Idol."

And those people may not wish to see Fantasia win. So they might not vote for her. And that might affect the voting.

Of course, as someone else pointed out, maybe she'll get the "aww, cute baby" votes and the whole thing will cancel out.

But if you've read the whole thread, it boils down to a pretty simple premise:
Right or wrong, Fantasia's status as an unwed teen mother will cost her votes.

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99. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Hey tick, what about me? Don't I get some points too? *pouts*


--runs off to find a bag for her extra karma

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101. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Condescending youngster wranglin' is always worth Karma points

Unfortunately, asking for said points and pouting over them loses at least as many karma points leaving you with no better than a wash

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102. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
How many points does a *pfffft* take away? Cuz it'll be worth it!

Pfffffttttt


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103. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
walk the middle path my daughter
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104. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
who knew Karma had whistle-blowing officials?

Yer blind, ump!

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120. "Dear thetick"
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We haven't been formally introduced--my name is Kim. You are one of my new favorite people.

Miscellaneous Ramblings
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126. "RE: Dear anotherkim"
That's cool, thanks a lot.

I haven't been posting all that long, but have put in substantial lurking time. Sooo, I already liked your stuff too.

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137. "RE: Dear anotherkim"
Ew. Get a room, you two. You're starting to sound like Rob and Amber.

Snarky, smart, S7 Anti-Bootee Champ and YOUR American Idol.

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140. "RE: Dear anotherkim"
Yeah, you just wait...I'll be on Stuff magazine before you know it.

Miscellaneous Ramblings
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161. "RE: Dear anotherkim"
>Ew. Get a room, you
>two. You're starting to
>sound like Rob and Amber.
>
>
> >color = 'blue']Snarky, smart, S7
>Anti-Bootee Champ and YOUR American
>Idol.

Jealous.(-:


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138. "Hey!"
No talking about each other's stuff before marriage!
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90. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Hi Shanana. I disagree. I think that Ryan Seacrest was not only right in what he said but that he had the right to say it. If voters let themselves get influenced by his words,then so be it. That is on them. However,it is my feeling that his words probably galvanized those who did not vote to do so. As you well know,Ryan said that a record number of people voted last week and this time the voters pretty much got it right. I owe that in part to Ryan and the fact that apparently a lot of folks agreed with his salty comments.
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93. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
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Hi Ant. I don't think as the supposed neutral host of a TV show that Ryan has the right to try to influence how people vote. He does have every right to try to galvanize the masses --- I would have preferred him to say something like: Hey, folks, if you wanted Jennifer here, she'd be here. Ya gotta vote to keep people in -- don't get lazy!

Sure, motivate people to participate, but not at the detriment of the other contestants. That's what I thought was wrong. It's just simply unfair to play favorites, or insinuate that someone should be there over someone else (even if they should be.) That's OUR job, not his. It's not what he said, it's the way he said it. He could have gotten across his same message and even been "salty" about it (lol) without pointing invisible fingers.

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89. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
LAST EDITED ON 05-01-04 AT 04:01 PM (EST)

I had an internal debate with myself after the results show aired that week, and I concluded that some people would not vote due to the baby issue, but she would also get some "cute kid" votes. I figured it would probably be a wash.

UDG
Is this an anti-thread-jack?

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100. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Is this an anti-thread-jack?

LOL! I think you've got something there udg!

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105. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
I had a feeling when this thread lasted so long that there must be some funny stuff in here, and boy oh boy, I was right!

LMAO!


I think I read the whole thing, but did Misto ever tell us how old she is????

Buahahahahahha!


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106. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
I think I read the whole thing, but did Misto ever tell us how old she is????

Buahahahahahha!

Didn't you hear? 16! I'm just hoping to get asked to prom and not by a guy who's gonna tell me 1/2 hour into it that he's gay and leaving to go to a "guy" party in another city.

*pauses* 16 sucked man! Thanks for the painful memories!


--*cough*bitch*cough*

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107. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Young lady, you're going to be a handful when you grow up.

Or should I say if?

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108. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Well, I can see how that would be disappointing, Misto. Did I ever tell you that I had TWO dates for the prom?


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110. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Well, I can see how that would be disappointing, Misto. Did I ever tell you that I had TWO dates for the prom?

Uh huh, fine. Rub it in. You realize of course that having been left at the prom makes me a sad case and you having 2 dates makes you a different kind of "s" word. *giggle*


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113. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
For once, I don't feel like saying "That was you?"

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116. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Fantasia has a baby????!!!!
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133. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Isn't Fantasia that animated movie with the enchanted mops, hippos and such?
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142. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"

No, that's The Passion of Christ.


Fantasia has a very cute baby that we have already seen too much of.

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146. "OH PLEASE FRANTASIA ROCKS AND YOU KNOW IT!!!"
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i think its ridiculous to not vote for fantasia just because she is a single parent.
it shouldn't even be about the baby. she can sing and that's all that matters.
people who are turned off are narrow minded. it might not be right to be a single parent, but the baby doesn't bother me and it shouldn't bother you. if i had a child i would be proud of
her and want to show her to america.
it just goes to show that fantasia is a loving mother with or without a husband!!!

ps SORRY ABOUT THE MISSPELLING OF FANTASIA (FRANTASIA) I DIDN'T REALISE IT UNTILL IT WAS TOO LATE TO EDIT.

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147. "O PLZ MANTASIA IS CRAPTACULAR 'N' U KNOW IT!!!!"
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goshers! ur so erudite, i's hardlee knowz ware 2 start

"i think its ridiculous to not vote for fantasia just because she is a single parent'

u hav cample.. comepetl... complee... totallly mizzed the pt of thiz thrd. tha o.p. (thaz original poster 2 u) posited the thesis that large segmunts of amayrica wudn't vote 4 'er out of uneaze over single mamadom. the o.p. din't make tha jujmint, jus made n observazion of it.

"it shouldn't even be about the baby"

then gurlfren shuda oughta quit trottin her out

"she can sing and that's all that matters.
people who are turned off are narrow minded"

whut sho r u watchin? itz leastly half a pop u larity contest 'n' that (some)folkz iz narrow minded wuz one of tha orijnal themezs ahind thiz thred

"it might not be right to be a single parent, but the baby doesn't bother me and it shouldn't bother you"

kewl, nows u r tellin me whutz ize shud thinkz, thinkin iz hard

"if i had a child i would be proud of her and want to show her to america. it just goes to show that fantasia is a loving mother with or without a husband"

using ur kid 4 your own benfitz iz a shoor sine uv love. beins proud in noe way provz anytings bout eithor how lovn or how kwalif... cwaliph.. quol.. good a parent Mantasia iZ. 'N' trottin ur kid out on stage nlesslee iz awrfool, youse shud ck out tha sho stage 'rents on Bravo. juz cuz those Nutters dragz there kidz on stage dozn't means nuthin eelse b'sidez they are huuuuje DAWz

Ok, that was giving me a headache, so the big finish in my own words. To quote the noted AI scholar thetick:

maybe it's not the baby factor
maybe it's the gap toothed hoochie mama trailer park hodawg factor
or perhaps the screeching banshee factor
then again the insufferably rude factor
and/or the arrogantly narcissistic factor
possibly the nauseatingly over stylized factor

I am sure that I am forgetting some possibility, its right on the tip of my tongue... hmm maybe after my big finish I'll remember the other possible reason for disliking her:

yeah, yeah, yeah...YAHHH,yeah YE-AHHHHH, yeah yeh ye y, ....Yeah, yeah .. yeah yeah yeah... Yeah.. Yeah. YEah. yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


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148. "RE: O PLZ MANTASIA IS CRAPTACULAR 'N' U KNOW IT!!!!"
tick,

You might get a slap on the wrist for this post, but I still laughed.

(psst, don't tell Bebo!)

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152. "RE: O PLZ MANTASIA IS CRAPTACULAR 'N' U KNOW IT!!!!"
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah!

Brilliant post! I'm feelin' you, dawg! (sorry - I got caught up in the moment...Let me wipe my suspiciously pulled-back eyes....) You are a poster in a league of your own, if I'm being honest with you!

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05-07-04, 09:45 AM (EST)
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150. "RE: OH PLEASE FRANTASIA ROCKS AND YOU KNOW IT!!!"
i think its ridiculous to not vote for fantasia just because she is a single parent. it shouldn't even be about the baby. she can sing and that's all that matters. people who are turned off are narrow minded. it might not be right to be a single parent, but the baby doesn't bother me and it shouldn't bother you. if i had a child i would be proud of her and want to show her to america.it just goes to show that fantasia is a loving mother with or without a husband!!!

I don't even know where to start with this post. Do I start with agreeing that people who are "turned off" by Fantasia being a single parent are "narrowed minded"? Or do I point out that in the next sentence he/she says that "it might not be right to be a single parent".

Do I ask the poster how he/she not being "bothered" by the baby in any way translates to my own personal opinions or tell the poster to get ready for millions and millions of phone calls, emails and PM's because now that we all know we don't have to think for ourselves, we'll be looking to him/her for answers to daily questions like, do I want tea or coffee?

Do I agree that it seems that Fantasia cares deeply for her child and is holding up well under the pressures of single parenthood especially in the limelight that is American Idol or do I point out that just because someone has a child that they're willing to have trotted out in front of america during a singing competition doesn't confirm or "show that fantasia is a loving mother" off camera.

Or should I simply roll my eyes and tell kittykat welcome to RTVW.


--hasn't quite decided yet

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05-08-04, 05:22 PM (EST)
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155. "RE: OH PLEASE FRANTASIA ROCKS AND YOU KNOW IT!!!"
>i think its ridiculous to not
>vote for fantasia just because
>she is a single parent.
>it shouldn't even be about
>the baby. she can sing
>and that's all that matters.
>people who are turned off
>are narrow minded. it might
>not be right to be
>a single parent, but the
>baby doesn't bother me and
>it shouldn't bother you. if
>i had a child i
>would be proud of her
>and want to show her
>to america.it just goes to
>show that fantasia is a
>loving mother with or without
>a husband!!!

>
>I don't even know where to
>start with this post.
>Do I start with agreeing
>that people who are "turned
>off" by Fantasia being a
>single parent are "narrowed minded"?
> Or do I point
>out that in the next
>sentence he/she says that "it
>might not be right to
>be a single parent".
>
>Do I ask the poster how
>he/she not being "bothered" by
>the baby in any way
>translates to my own personal
>opinions or tell the poster
>to get ready for millions
>and millions of phone calls,
>emails and PM's because now
>that we all know we
>don't have to think for
>ourselves, we'll be looking to
>him/her for answers to daily
>questions like, do I want
>tea or coffee?
>
>Do I agree that it seems
>that Fantasia cares deeply for
>her child and is holding
>up well under the pressures
>of single parenthood especially in
>the limelight that is American
>Idol or do I point
>out that just because someone
>has a child that they're
>willing to have trotted out
>in front of america during
>a singing competition doesn't confirm
>or "show that fantasia is
>a loving mother" off camera.
>
>
>Or should I simply roll my
>eyes and tell kittykat welcome
>to RTVW.
>
>
>--hasn't quite decided yet


How do you know that Fantasia trotted her child out for the world world to see as opposed to being surprised that her child was brought out? Some have said that she looked surprised when Zion was brought out and I would have to agree. Why do some of you feel the need to be so hard on Fantasia? I do not get it. It is not like she ever did anything to any of you. I know you will respond with some intelligent response but I will never understand the need of some people to put others down who have never directly harmed them or theirs in any way,shape,form,or fashion. It is not like Fantasia is saying go out and get knocked up and then struggle to overcome the problems associated with being a single mother or anything like that. She is simply trying to be successful so that Zion will have a better life than herself. Is that so wrong? Is that so bad? Take care.

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05-08-04, 07:00 PM (EST)
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162. "RE: OH PLEASE FRANTASIA ROCKS AND YOU KNOW IT!!!"

Why do some of you feel the need to be so hard on Fantasia?

Perhaps folks want the winner of the title "American Idol" to be someone Americans can idolize, or at least feel good about. For a large part of the viewership, Fantasia lacks the qualities needed to be an "American Idol." It's more than the music.

I will never understand the need of some people to put others down who have never directly harmed them or theirs in any way, shape, form, or fashion.

Part of entering this contest means opening yourself up to criticism. No one dragged her to auditions. Professional recording artists are constantly criticized, as are actors, athletes, writers and oboe players.

Is it possible for you to consider that Fantasia winning the title of American Idol is offensive to some people?


These reality show contestants need a reality check!

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07-29-04, 11:57 AM (EST)
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198. "RE: OH PLEASE FRANTASIA ROCKS AND YOU KNOW IT!!!"
Kitty I agree with u all the way except for 1 thing. Fantasia is a high school droupout. Ill let her get away with the Baby thing but not the High School Drop Out. There is no way im letting her get away with the High School Dropout.


I wish LaToya Won

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05-07-04, 10:03 PM (EST)
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153. "Somebody shoot this thresd"
Can we get a lock on this race-baiting diatribe?
The original poster must have been out of his mind.

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05-08-04, 03:20 PM (EST)
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154. "RE: Somebody shoot this thresd"
Yeah you are right. Who started this thread? LOL
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Ant 35 desperate attention whore postings
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05-08-04, 05:27 PM (EST)
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156. "RE: Somebody shoot this thresd"
>Can we get a lock on
>this race-baiting diatribe?
>The original poster must have been
>out of his mind.

No,you simply thought that people could rationally discuss Fantasia and her baby situation without getting all holier than thou and revealing their racist,intolerant,and judgemental attitudes and such. On second thought,you must have been out of your mind to think like that. lol

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05-10-04, 11:52 AM (EST)
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171. "Warning"
Do NOT bash other posters.
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07-29-04, 11:58 AM (EST)
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199. "RE: Somebody shoot this thresd"
LOL
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163. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Well i would just like to say about the baby factor that fantasia will win this competion if she had a baby or not and i would just like to add that i live in the united kingdom and we had a show called pop stars.

There was this girl called kim who got through all the auditions and made it into the band.Then comes the scandel in the papers the next day it was about kim who has got two children and everybody in the nation wanted to no why she had kept them a secret,she said because she thought it would go agaisnt her getting in the band.

So my point is if you have children or not you can achive anything you want and iam surpised at the american nation if they dont vote for fantasia for her talent and because she is a young mother who is not married all she wants is a better life for her baby and i say she can do it the best way she knows how SINGING!!!!!!!!!!

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05-10-04, 00:40 AM (EST)
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167. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
>Well i would just like to
>say about the baby factor
>that fantasia will win this
>competion if she had a
>baby or not and i
>would just like to add
>that i live in the
>united kingdom and we had
>a show called pop stars>is just the same as
>american idol but we were
>looking for a band].
>
>There was this girl called kim
>who got through all the
>auditions and made it into
>the band.Then comes the scandel
>in the papers the next
>day it was about kim
>who has got two children
>and everybody in the nation
>wanted to no why she
>had kept them a secret,she
>said because she thought it
>would go agaisnt her getting
>in the band.
>
>So my point is if you
>have children or not you
>can achive anything you want
>and iam surpised at the
>american nation if they dont
>vote for fantasia for her
>talent and because she is
>a young mother who is
>not married all she wants
>is a better life for
>her baby and i say
>she can do it the
>best way she knows how
>SINGING!!!!!!!!!!


If Americans fail to vote for Fantasia simply because she is an unwed mother,it will be yet more things that European countries can criticize us for. Intolerance,judgementalism,and narrow mindedness.

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05-10-04, 11:11 AM (EST)
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169. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
This is so pathetic. Did you fail to notice that Fantasia made the final four?

That was because people liked her and voted for her. DUH! She still can win this but please accept not everybody likes her singing! You may think she is just all that but not everybody thinks she is talented. Different people like different things.
If she looses she looses. Accept it. It is a competition.

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05-19-04, 01:26 PM (EST)
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181. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
there are millions of unwed mothers in the world and thousands of unwed celebrity mothers. so what......who cares..it has nothing to do with her talent..........she's a winner regardless according to clive davis and he's a legend........he even said he would sign her on....... he said absolutely nothing about the other two..............she'll be rich with or without american idol's votes or if she had 50 babies.........big deal
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192. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Obviously, your old fashion... Take a class in sociology and you will learn that in America, those are not the underlying standards like they once were... pull your head out and face reality as it is today.
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193. "Warning"
Bashing other posters is not permitted on these forums.

Please take a moment to familiarize yourself with the community guidelines - there's a link at the top of this page.

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194. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
woo hoo

my all time favorite thread is undergoing a revival

...and now, a queztion 4 all tha hatahs and the playas


Which will have a longer lifespan: this thread or Mantasia's career?

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195. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
and now, a queztion 4 all tha hatahs and the playas
Which will have a longer lifespan: this thread or Mantasia's career?


*hee hee*
*wince* *ouch*

Stop it tick, you're making me laugh and I'm recovering from surgery over here!


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06-17-04, 00:25 AM (EST)
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196. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
LAST EDITED ON 06-18-04 AT 00:31 AM (EST)

Stop it tick, you're making me laugh and I'm recovering from surgery over here!

...well then, I will light a candle for you at the altar of true Mistocism..

thetick
--lvoes theflea

edited to add: can't believe I left out the entire point of the post, get well soon

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204. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"

>Which will have a longer lifespan: this thread or Mantasia's career?

I think this thread won. Anyone seen Fantasia lately?



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12-10-04, 09:42 PM (EST)
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205. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Yes Teamjoisey,you may have a valid point about the way people perceive Fantasia ,but I dont think it really matters.The Idol phenomena is a talent contest where performance and personality really do take over..from what I saw I thought Fantasia had both of these in abundance...a worthy winner.
Because teen pregnancy is a huge issue, not only in the U.S might I add,Fantasia has proved it not to be a detterent to success!If any thing I think she would have reached out to many who are or have been in her situation-to strive for greater things in their lives.That can only be positive in my view.Any body else out there agree ?Tell us your viewpoint..
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206. "RE: Fantasia, and The Baby Factor"
Talent is talent is talent is talent.
Is it okay to judge a singer on singing talent alone?
Used to be.

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207. "This thread is over!"
The fat lady has sung.


Can we get a lock on this?

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