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"JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! HE IS THE "BOSTON ROB" OF THE SHOW! HOW DID AN 8-0 FIGHTER GET ON THE SHOW?"
HASN'T ANYONE OTHER THEN MYSELF WONDERED "WHY A GUY WITH ONLY 8 PROFESSIONAL FIGHTS" ON THE SHOW?

I REMEMBER SEEING STALLONE ON TV, PROMOTING THE SHOW, AS AN OPERTUNITY FOR FIGHTERS WHO HAVE HAD AN ARTIFICIAL CEILING OVER THEM, SUCH AS BAD MANAGEMENT, OR BAD PROMOTERS, THAT HAVE KEPT THESE FIGHTERS FROM HAVING A SHOT.

WELL THEN, WHAT IS JOEY DOING HERE? HE HAS ONLY FOUGHT 8 TIMES PROFESSIONALLY IN 8 YEARS! THAT IS NOT A FIGHTER THAT HAS HAD UNFORTUNATE BREAKS IN HIS CAREER. THAT IS A FIGHTER WITH NOT MUCH OF A CAREER! TRY TO LOOK UP THE NAMES AND RECORDS (OF HIS OPPONENTS) FROM HIS PROFESSIONAL FIGHTS. I HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO FIND THEM. ANYTIME IT IS DIFFICULT LOCATING RECORDS THERE IS A REASON FOR THAT. I ASSUME MOST OF THE FIGHTERS HE BEAT HAD LOSING RECORDS OR THEY ONLY HAD A COUPLE OF FIGHTS AND IT WAS A MISS MATCH. WE SEE THIS ALL THE TIME IN BOXING. ARTIFICIAL RECORDS. IT IS NOT UNTIL A FIGHTER FIGHTS LEGIMIMATE FIGHTS DO YOU SEE THEM WILLING TO POST THEIR FIGHT RECORD.

JOEY LOOKS TO BE THE BEST CONDITIONED ATHLETE ON THE SHOW. HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT HE CAN WIN EVERY CHALENGE FOR HIS TEAM, AND AS SOON AS HE DOES HE COMPLAINS OF AN INJURY (HAMSTRING), THUS HE WAS ABLE TO FIGHT LAST.

NOW THAT THERE ARE ONLY 8 FIGHTS LEFT, THE CHALLEGES SHOULD ALL BE INDIVIDUAL ONES. JOEY COULD BET ANY THE REAMINING GUYS IN AN INDIVIDUAL CHALLENGE WITH ONE HAND TIED BEHIND HIS BACK! REMEMBER HOW HE SMASHED THE CINDER BLOCKS LIKE THEY WERE NOTHING!


HE KNOWS HOW TO MANIPULATE OTHERS).(HE IS THE "BOSTON ROB" OF THE SHOW)

I PREDICT JOEY WILL PURPOSELY LOSE THE CHALLENGES. NO MATTER WHAT, HE WILL FIND A REASON TO LOSE. NO MATTER WHAT THE REWARD HE WILL THROW THE COMPETITION, JUST SO HE WILL NOT HAVE TO FIGHT. I WISH I COULD MAKE THIS BET IN VEGAS. JOEY WILL NOT WIN A COMPETITION!

(IN THE FIRST ROUND, HE LEAD HIS TEAM TO VICTORY OVER AND OVER. THOUGHT SINCE IT WAS A "TEAM WIN" HE DID NOT HAVE TO FIGHT. REMEMBER HOW HE SMASHED THE CINDER BLOCKS LIKE THEY WERE NOTHING!)


JOEY IS SMART AND SLICK, HE KNOWS HOW TO MANIPULATE OTHERS). HE IS THE "BOSTON ROB" OF THE SHOW! LIKE IN ANY OF THE REALITY SHOWS, THERE ARE ALLIENCES. THEY JUST DON'T SHOW YOU THEM IN THIS SHOW. WHY ELSE WOULD' NT BE PICKED FIRST TO FIGHT, SINCE HE THE THE LEAST EXPIRENCED FIGHTER AND THE ONE WITH THE FEWEST FIGHTS. DID YOU KNOW THAT JOEY IS JESSE'S PERSONAL ATTORNEY AND AGENT!

JOEY WILL GO FAR IN THE COMPETITION BY NOT FIGHTING. HE IS BIG AND STRONG,THATS IT! HIS INEXPERIECE IS QUITE EVIDENT. HE DOES NOT THROW COMBINATIONS, HE HAS NO JAB, NO LATERAL MOVEMENT, AND HE FIGHTS FLAT FOOTED. HOWEVER, DUE TO HIS SIZE AND STRENGTH, I WOULD NOT ADVISE GOING TOE TO TOE WITH HIM IN THE 12 FT RING THAT THEY ARE USING. HE IS LIKE SHANNON BRIGGS OR TOMMY MORRISON, STRONG AND VERY ONE DIMENSIONAL. EASY TO EXPOSE HIS WEAKNESSESS.

AGAIN I ASK YOU, HOW DID JOEY GET ON THE SHOW? HERE ARE A FEW QUOTES TAKEN FROM AN ARTICLE IN THE NEVADA APPEAL, APRIL 21, 2005.


http://www.nevadaappeal.com/article/20050414/SPORTS/104140034

1). "last week - it was announced that Gilbert will be appearing in a national advertising campaign alongside Sylvester Stallone as a spokesman for Stallone's new InStone nutrition company".

2). "He's been Stallone's guest at his "compound" and on his private jet".


3). "Sylvester Stallone thinks I can be in action films, that's all you need to say," Gilbert said. "Action films and politics are my next two steps"

(HERE IS THE LINK TO THE ENTIRE ARTICLE)

JOEY MAY BE A NICE GUY, BUT HE IS NO CONTENDER. HE HAS ABSOUTLEY NOT CHANCE OF BEATING ANY MIDDLEWEIGHT IN THE TOP 30 PERIOD!

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 RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! ... Rebellwyr 04-21-05 1
   RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! ... finalround 04-21-05 3
   RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! ... finalround 04-21-05 5
       RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! ... Rebellwyr 04-21-05 7
           RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! ... finalround 04-21-05 10
 RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! ... VegasFightWriter 04-21-05 2
   RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! ... finalround 04-21-05 4
       RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! ... VegasFightWriter 04-21-05 8
           RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! ... finalround 04-21-05 12
               RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! ... VegasFightWriter 04-22-05 20
 RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! ... PagongRatEater 04-21-05 6
   RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! ... Master B 04-21-05 9
       RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! ... finalround 04-21-05 13
   RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! ... finalround 04-21-05 11
       RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! ... Rebellwyr 04-21-05 14
           RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! ... finalround 04-21-05 15
               RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! ... kay_tin 04-22-05 17
                   RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! ... finalround 04-22-05 18
                       RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! ... Rebellwyr 04-22-05 19
                           RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! ... finalround 04-23-05 21
                               RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! ... Rebellwyr 04-24-05 22
                                   Rebellwyr kay_tin 04-24-05 23
                                       re: Boston Rob kay_tin 04-24-05 24
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1. "RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! HE IS THE "BOSTON ROB" OF THE SHOW! HOW DID AN 8-0 FIGHTER GET ON THE SHOW?"
wooo...now isn't this interesting....I wouldn't doubt that joey is the "boston rob" of this show....it is no secret that Jesse and Joey are friends, they are both from northern Nevada. So what? Joey is Jesse's agent,true, although Joey is not exactly an experienced attorney. He did not pass the bar exam until last summer. Joey is slick...there is no doubt about that, but I don't think Joey is a fake. He only has 8 professional fights because he turned pro just prior to going to law school. All of his opponents were arguably terrible....big deal. He also was chosen outstanding boxer at the NCAA tournament twice and had a 27-1 amatuer record. So I would say his professional experience is a little misleading. As to why joey fought "flat footed" and had no jab, did the hamstring ever come into mind here? Basically I don't think you can judge boxing skill from the edited versions of the fights you see (even in the edited version you did see joey throwing some left jabs and i don't know why people are placing such an emphasis on "boxing" in this 5 round format...it's go big or go home).

I would guess Joey got onto the show because: 1) he is in great shape, 2) he can box; 3) he came from an relatively affluent and privileged background; 4) he is decent looking; 5) he has a post-graduate education; 6) and he's a smart ##### with a lot of personality (ie: joey was probably doing stuff behind the scenes that the producers don't want to show due to the possible damage to his "underdog" image). One thing I find hard to believe from the show is the portrayal of joey as having no self-confidence. This is laughable, even anthony said you couldn't get the guy's head through the door.

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3. "RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! HE IS THE "BOSTON ROB" OF THE SHOW! HOW DID AN 8-0 FIGHTER GET ON THE SHOW?"
Great point about his confidence. I did not know about the privileged up bringing. I see why the producers like him. Though the intention of the show was to give fighters a second chance. They supposedly were looking to take the winner of the show and actually take them to a championship fight. In order for this to happen, you need a skilled boxer. Not a slugger in a 5 ft. ring. That is more of a tough man competition. It was not intended for fighters that are just starting out. They obviously would like a guy like him to win. He is lawyer not a fighter. He must be a pretty good public speaker.

Can you imagine what would happened with The Apprentice, if Trump was dumb enough to take one of the contestants on his jet, to his compound, give him an endorsement deal, all before winning the show. Stallone, should not do anything with any of the contestants until the shows ends. That is not fair to anyone on the show. To think they would have to audacity to even publish it in the newspaper. Letting everyone know who his choice is. That move alone, could end any hopes of a second season!


I did not forget about the hamstring, that is why I mentioned the flat footed style. He stands back on his heels. The sore hamstring would affect his forward and backward motion. When you stand on your heels you "load" the hamstring when you move backwards. Fighting on your toes, takes the places the load on the quads and off the hamstrings.

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5. "RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! HE IS THE "BOSTON ROB" OF THE SHOW! HOW DID AN 8-0 FIGHTER GET ON THE SHOW?"
What NCAA Tounaments did he fight in? Boxing is not an NCAA sport.

Since the NCAA does not include boxing. Is college boxing a club sport? I would not compare a college amature boxer to fighters who come up in the amature ranks, Golden Gloves, Diamond Gloves, Nationals, Pan Am and Olympic Games.

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7. "RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! HE IS THE "BOSTON ROB" OF THE SHOW! HOW DID AN 8-0 FIGHTER GET ON THE SHOW?"
Yeah it is club sport (i think army and navy are some of the perienial favorites)..i think it is actually NCBA or something. I think joey won the national championship in 1997, 98, and 99..and made the final fight in 96, but the fight was stopped because joey reinjured a broken nose and the blood would not stop, even though joey wanted to continue to fight. Joey also won the Nevada Golden Gloves supermiddleweight division in 2000. I am not trying to compare Joey to friggin' Ali here, but he ain't as terrible as people seem to think.

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10. "RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! HE IS THE "BOSTON ROB" OF THE SHOW! HOW DID AN 8-0 FIGHTER GET ON THE SHOW?"
What was his amature record? No one liked how Juan complained after his fight, and no likes how Joey complained up until his fight. With only 8 fights, he has many years to go, before he may reach the level of a contender. Look at all of the Olympic medialsts from the 96, 2000 and 2004 games. They are all great amature athletes and no one has made it to the top. Not like the 84, 88 and 92 games.
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2. "RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! HE IS THE "BOSTON ROB" OF THE SHOW! HOW DID AN 8-0 FIGHTER GET ON THE SHOW?"
Joey's record is very easy to find. It took me ten seconds. He has not had "eight fights in eight years." His pro debut was on June 16, 2000, against Miguel Angel Lopez.

A paucity of fights does not indicate that the fighter concerned has not experienced managerial or promotional limitations, as you suggest. Quite the opposite.

I would sincerely hope that most of his fights have been against fighters with losing records. After eight fights, he certainly shouldn't be fighting too many experienced, good fighters. Prior to Jimmy Lange, his previous three opponents all had winning records, but two of them had just three and two fights in total.

If you want to complain about a fighter on the show with a dubious record, I'd suggest you turn your attention to Juan De La Rosa, whose untraceable record was the subject of an earlier thread.

Your theory that Joey will throw challenges to avoid fights makes no sense. If, in the second round, challenge winners get to pick their opponents, it makes much more sense for him to win, if he can, so he can pick his opponent. He can't go far in the competition by not fighting. Not fighting is not an option.

Of course he won't win. He has nothing like the ability required to win. I would argue that, of the original 16, only four had a realistic chance of winning: Manfredo, Mora, Smith, and Kaddour. And indeed, available information suggests that it is indeed two of those who meet in the final. It was never a secret that the fighters wee picked, not just on their ablity, but on out-of-ring attributes. This isn't the NCAA. Its a reality show.

As I mentioned in an earlier thread, the producers had hoped to procure a higher calibre of talent (Ishe specifically mentioned Sam Soliman to me) but were unable to secure their release from their promoters.

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4. "RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! HE IS THE "BOSTON ROB" OF THE SHOW! HOW DID AN 8-0 FIGHTER GET ON THE SHOW?"
Of course you would expect hand picked opponents for a prospect fighter when he they are beginning their career. That is my point. That is all Joey has ever fought. They show was not suppose to be for beginners. What surprised me about this show, (refer to all of the press releases), the premise of the show, was to bring to life, each fighters personal saga in the sport. The sacrifices they and their family have been though. They were suppose to be fighters that had hit and artificial ceiling, though bad management, poor pro motor, broken contracts and promises. Fights that were going to be given a second change. Listen to the promo, Stallone even stays all of these fighters are legitimate contenders. Where does Joey fit in. He has a privilege up brining, he went straight to University from High School. Where is the struggle? Where is the artificial ceiling? I think you understand my point. As for Juan, I do not know about his career. Many fighters that have fought south of the border have been questions in this regard. The most famous was Chevez. Duran's earlier fights also come under scrutiny. Due to the economic and political state of the countries, they fought in. They do not have the luxury of the budgets the US State Boxing Commissions.

As you said, "this is a reality show". The way you win a reality show is through longevity. Joey contributed to each challenge, and then played up an injury and avoided fighting. I suggest you interview the fighters. Now that there are no longer any teams, I think Joey will throw the competitions. All of the competitors have said that Joey is the best athlete there. He wants to last. The longer you stay in the competition, the more popular you may become with the public. They have more time to get to know you. Have you never seed American Idol. You do not have to win, to do very well for yourself. (Clay Aiken, Tamira Grey, Kimberly Clarke, Kimberly Caldwell etc).

You did not comment about Stallone signing Joey to an endorsement deal, flying him in his person jet, and taking him to his home. All before the show has ended.
Do you think Trump would do this with one of the contestants prior to the conclusion of the show. If he did, there would never be another season. Do you think that is fair to the other fighters?

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8. "RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! HE IS THE "BOSTON ROB" OF THE SHOW! HOW DID AN 8-0 FIGHTER GET ON THE SHOW?"
Maybe it's just me, but I don't actually have that much of a problem with Sly signing Joey to an endorsement deal, as long as he did it after the show finished filming. Had he done it before the show started, or wile it was filming, then yeah, that would have been hugely inappropriate. Maybe Sly figured that it was better to announce now, while a few people are still watching the show. Sure, it can create an impression of impropriety, but Joey still has to back it up in the ring.

I don't really like the fact, though, that Sly has been obviously advocating for some fighters (like Ahmed) during the filming.

As for interviewing the fighters: that's a good idea. Wish I'd thought of that. But they can't say anything about the show until it's over. Even Ishe, who is a good friend of mine and with whom I talk maybe two or three times a week, and who calls me after every show to ask me what I thought, can't comment on the show yet.

BTW, the business about using guys who "haven't had the breaks" is just puffery to provide some sense of justification at the beginning of the series. Ishe has fallen out with his last promoter, but Manfredo and Kaddour, for example, aren't going through any particular managerial or promotional problems. Believe me, had they succeeded in signing some of the guys they went after, they would have been singing a different tune about the fighters involved.

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12. "RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! HE IS THE "BOSTON ROB" OF THE SHOW! HOW DID AN 8-0 FIGHTER GET ON THE SHOW?"
You may be right, Stallone is hoping to catch what ever buzz he can while he can. Your a writer, pose the question to Trump. See if he would hang out with one of the contestants of offer them anything until the show is over. Also, even if Joey does not win, they can edit him favorably. Look what they did to Ishe in the editing. He even apologized for his behavior. The manner in which they edit him, I can not believe he is adding to his fan base. Though I think he is a terrific boxer. Since you are friends with him, I think professionally he would do better in the Jr. Middle Weight Division lighter if he can cut the weight.

I wish him well.

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20. "RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! HE IS THE "BOSTON ROB" OF THE SHOW! HOW DID AN 8-0 FIGHTER GET ON THE SHOW?"
I'm HOPING (although I have no idea if I'll be able to do it) to talk to SRL, Burnett and/or Sly at the finale on the 24th. From what I can tell, they're not distributig media credentials (revenge for the way the boxing meda has dissed the show), but I should be geting in as part of Team Smith. It'll be interesting to see what, if anyting, I can get out of these guys in terms of background stuff. I suspect not much. The fighters, on the other hand, will probly be more than happy to blab once the show is over. Before it started flming, I was in the Top Rank Gym, and Jesse Brinkley started telling everyone how he was going to be on the show, and started rattling off the names of everyone else, unil he stopped, looked like he'd been caught with his hand in the cookie jar, and said, "Ooops. I don't think I should be saying this," and left. (Perhaps to check with his lawyer, Joey Gilbert, as to whether he had broken his contract, LOL). Since then, though, everyone's bee pretty tight-lipped. I can't get anything out of Ishe, even though I have known (or believed I've known) for months how far he went on the show.

Ishe has decided to contiue fighting as a middleweight. I'm not sure that's the career choice I would have advised for him, but all the middle weights,from 147 to 160, are pretty packed with talent right now.

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6. "RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! HE IS THE "BOSTON ROB" OF THE SHOW! HOW DID AN 8-0 FIGHTER GET ON THE SHOW?"
Dood, while there is certainly something questionable about Joey making the show, there is certainly no question that he beat a pretty darn good fighter in Jimmy while having little to no mobility. Faking an injury? During a fight? Give me a break.

The guy can fight. Period. He beat a great opponent with one leg.

Oh and YELLING is very impolite. (typing in all caps in considered screaming in most civilized parts of the world and this is one of them.



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9. "RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! HE IS THE "BOSTON ROB" OF THE SHOW! HOW DID AN 8-0 FIGHTER GET ON THE SHOW?"
http://www.boxrec.com/boxer_display.php?boxer_id=085624

he fought with easy people until in the contender, he fought with strong figher. he beat him. how interesting!

Jimmy has records-24-1-1

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13. "RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! HE IS THE "BOSTON ROB" OF THE SHOW! HOW DID AN 8-0 FIGHTER GET ON THE SHOW?"
He did beat Jimmy. Jimmy choked, no doubt about it. He also made the mistake of standing in front of a tree. Joey is strong and can bang. He just can't box. You ever watch Tua. All Jimmy had to do was stick and move, and throw combinations. Though that is hard in non-regulation size ring 12' x 12'. I look forward to see Joey in a regulation size ring. I saw a slugger, not a boxer in the ring. Don't get me wrong, a slugger can win a little ring, especially 5 round fight. Look at Butterbean. He could hurt anyone in 4 rounds. Good fighters lose fights.
Joey is not a "good figher". His skills are very limited. He does throw a hard punch. Very one dimensional....ala Tommy Morrison!
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11. "RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! HE IS THE "BOSTON ROB" OF THE SHOW! HOW DID AN 8-0 FIGHTER GET ON THE SHOW?"
He faked and played up his injury just to go last. Every fighter fights hurt. Listen to Ray. Joey played up his injuries just so he would not get picked. In a reality show its called forming alliances. He did beat Jimmy. Jimmy choked, no doubt about it. He also made the mistake of standing in front of a tree. Joey is strong and can bang. He just can't box. You ever watch Tua. All Jimmy had to do was stick and move, and throw combinations. Though that is hard in non-regulation size ring 12' x 12'. I look forward to see Joey in a regulation size ring. I saw a slugger, not a boxer in the ring. Don't get me wrong, a slugger can win a little ring, 5 round fight. Look at Butterbean. He could hurt anyone in 4 rounds. The show is supposed to give a fighter his break. I don't see Joey fighting 10 or 12 round fights. He will need years of experience. He is 28 with only 8 fights! It is going to take him years of fighting to get a chance to crack the top 10 and become a legitimate fighter.

When was the last time you saw a world champion who grew up rich? How about anyone in the top 30, in any division. I can not think of any. The Klitchko's, and Barerra are educated though they did not grow up privileged, actually far from it.

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14. "RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! HE IS THE "BOSTON ROB" OF THE SHOW! HOW DID AN 8-0 FIGHTER GET ON THE SHOW?"
I didn't say rich..i said relatively affluent...meaning relative to the other fighters...."upper middle class" would be more appropriate. If you want to see Joey's comments on this very point watch the extended scenes on yahoo..he says something like "i don't buy it when people say you have to grow up in the ghetto to be a good fighter." One thing is for sure, Joey is dedicated to training and has a pretty decent chin....I would actually think that to some extent a longer fight would work to his advantage, as he appears in excellent shape.

Anyway, only time will tell how well he does. He has an uphill climb no doubt. However, playing up the injury to fight last was probably a smart move, at least in a self-promotional sense. I too found it interesting that Joey didn't seem too affected by the injury any other place other than the ring. Although, faking it in the ring seems pretty risky, unless he was absolutely confident he could win in the 5th round. From looking at Joey's mannerisms in the ring he didn't seem to be too impressed with Lange's punching power, he seemed a lot more confident in there, even pushing Jimmy a few times, giving him cock-eyed glances and in round five basically bowling him over shoving him against the ropes. Who knows, maybe the fighters catch on Joey's "back-door" dealing and realize he's sandbagging, and get pissed off.....It'd be pretty funny if all the boxers realized that Joey was pulling the strings behind the first round matchmaking stuff, leaving himself with the easy fight (brent). Maybe this kind of slickness is what convinced Jesse that Joey may make a good lawyer. You are right though, the more airtime he got and the longer he stayed on, the farther he could stretch his 15 min. of fame. Can't blame him for that, a boxer using his brains...a novel concept.

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15. "RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! HE IS THE "BOSTON ROB" OF THE SHOW! HOW DID AN 8-0 FIGHTER GET ON THE SHOW?"
Time will tell if he can fight or not. I look forward to see he makes it to a 10 rounder. He is the smartest guy on the show. That is why I said he is the "Boston Rob" (from Survivor).He is using his brain,thats for sure. He is a true attorney!

What do you call 500 lawyers on the bottom of the ocean?
A good start!

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17. "RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! HE IS THE "BOSTON ROB" OF THE SHOW! HOW DID AN 8-0 FIGHTER GET ON THE SHOW?"
Yeesh, you sound like you have some major very personal grudge against Joey. I'm in Reno and tired of all the exposure Joey is getting on the local media, but I don't see him as a fake or the devil as you seem to imply. He knows he's a newbie so he worked at positioning himself to stay in as long as possible. He'll probably lose in the next round, but he was around long enough to impress Sly and surprise the other boxers who completely discounted him. He's not from the ghetto, so what? He seems to love the sport and is smart enough to see where it all takes him.

The spokesman announcement was just made in the last few weeks, and I can see why Sly picked him. He's good looking, smart, educated and dedicated. He talks a lot about how he faithfully follows his sister's nutritional plan (she's a personal trainer/dietician) and that has to impress Sly. Did you see the way he flipped out about the doughnuts and ice cream? Did you see Jesse's post fight meal of salami and cream cheese on Ritz crackers?

As far as him not belonging...how much better qualified was Juan who packed his bags and ran as soon as he knew he couldn't go any farther. At least Joey doesn't seem worried about losing face in the next round. Tarick hadn't even been in the ring for years, how was he more qualified? Brent Cooper was so overwhelmed I felt embarrassed for him, how was he that much better than Joey? My impression is that while the idea was to give more exposure to struggling boxers, it didn't work that way. I don't agree with bringing back boxers to round out the numbers. You were beat, you should be out period. The producers obviously didn't think about the health issues and such and should have better prepared for such circumstances. Regardless, I think Peter, Sergio, Ishe and Jesse are the boxers to beat no matter who they bring back or how unqualified some of the other boxers might be in your eyes.

Thanks for letting me vent.

btw...thanks for no longer shouting!

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18. "RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! HE IS THE "BOSTON ROB" OF THE SHOW! HOW DID AN 8-0 FIGHTER GET ON THE SHOW?"
I think Peter, Ishe and Jesse will be in the final 4. I also think it will be Alfonzo joining them instead of Sergio.
Alfonzo should have an easy time with Ahmed. There is no way Ahmed ever thought he was being brought back, so he should not be in his best shape.

I agree, once your voted out your out. They should have had alternates ready to go.

Since they did allow fighters to come back, then I think Tarick should have been automatic, since since he caused Juan to with draw. I am looking forward to the public voting and bringing back fighters for the final fight. At least all of them have had enough to train.

I think Tarick fit the premise of the show (give a fighter a second chance, give him a chance to break through). Joey does not fit the premise of the show. He is just starting his career. The show was not intended to boost a new comer.
Someone gave him his 15 minutes for a reason. I think he is connected to someone with the show. Now with his deal with Stallone prior to the finish of the show. That tells you something. Joey is smart, he knows how to play the game of a reality show. That is why I refer to him as "Boston Rob". I wonder how Jesse feels, he is the one with the agent (not just manager). In the meantime, his agent gets the deal for himself.


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19. "RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! HE IS THE "BOSTON ROB" OF THE SHOW! HOW DID AN 8-0 FIGHTER GET ON THE SHOW?"
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can you please direct me to somewhere that says the "premise" of the show is to give somebody a second chance. I thought the show was about "the hero" "the father" "the underdog". It was a conglomeration of different stories, not a homogenous one. I don't think everyone on the show has been wronged by promoters or needs a "second chance." how does mora need a second chance? he's only like 13-0. It just so happens that the one thing all these guys have in common is boxing, and the one thing that is practically universally true about boxing is that it is corrupt. Oh, and it's clear that joey has connections. Sig Rogich is HIS agent and advisor. Sig is a former advisor to President Reagan and the first president Bush, a former chairman of the nevada state boxing commission, owns his own public relations firm, and at one time had done public relations for Mike Tyson and Bob Arum. So yeah, Joey has connections..now whether they got him the gig, i don't know, but i'm sure it didn't hurt. I'm sure they wouldn't pick somebody who they felt couldn't fight a lick.

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21. "RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! HE IS THE "BOSTON ROB" OF THE SHOW! HOW DID AN 8-0 FIGHTER GET ON THE SHOW?"
Read Stallones statements about the show. He was on Leno, and Stern as well. That was the premes of the show. Give these guys a second chance. Thanks for the info in Joey, it sure explains how he got on the show. He can fight, but not on the level of a true middle weight contender. That is why he is using stategy to stay in the show. Like I said before, he is the"Boston Rob" of the show. HE WILL DO WHAT EVER HE HAS TO NOT TO FIGHT! THAT MEANS LOSING COMPETITIONS!
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22. "RE: JOEY IS A FAKE! HE IS SLICK! HE IS THE "BOSTON ROB" OF THE SHOW! HOW DID AN 8-0 FIGHTER GET ON THE SHOW?"
Your beef against joey sounds a little too personal. Just relax, its reality t.v.
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23. "Rebellwyr"
Thanks for saying it so much better than I ever could!

Yeesh, its fun, its entertaining and these guys have now all had a lot more exposure than they had in the past or most likely would have had without The Contender.

Where can I order some of Joey's signed gloves again? No, don't tell me, I'm just KIDDING.

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24. "re: Boston Rob"
...and some of us happen to like Boston Rob!
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25. "RE: re: Boston Rob"
Boston Rob is great. He made the show worth watching. That is my point. Joey is not a skilled fighter, he is a skilled thinker. He know's how to play the game. Don't confuse that with being able to box. He knows how to play to the fans.
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PRE, that pic doesn't meet the guidelines - please resize or stop using it as a sigpic.
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