I'm with you Snidget. It isn't as much fun when they already know each other going into the game. I honestly thought BB would be good, but it's not because they have relationships outside of the house and know, or at least they think they know, how everyone will act. The same was true for Survivor.
But what is making BB all stars worse than Survivor all stars is that these people are always trying to make "good TV".

I didn't consider the show boring at first, but hearing the same thing over and over does get boring. How many food fights or drunken hot tubs parties do we need? Every week it really is the same thing. Will/Boogie will beat Jani's brain to a pulp until she gives in to what they want, Danielle will take turns siding with both people nominated and get everyone to support one person and then switch to the other person. They always have to "mix it up" to make good TV. But it gets old. I'm at the point where I just want to watch the show on Thursday to see who is evicted and who becomes HOH. I don't care about all the crap in between because it changes every hour, mostly for no good reason. Take this week for example when Jani was badgered to near death to nominate Marcellas while everyone swore they only wanted to scare him. Whoever didn't expect Will/Boogie/James to go against that deal hasn't been watching the show. But Will they vote him out? Who knows because they'll change their minds 20 times before Thursday. Everyone is quick to say the BB6 can't make up their minds (and they can't) are doing the same thing.

What can save this show is something shocking happening that hasn't been talked about for weeks. Anyone betraying Jani won't cut it. We've heard that a zillion times already. George kicking out Danielle or Danielle/James kicking out each other might do it, but I don't expect either to happen.

I had to get that off my chest.

Elaine,
I agree with you. The show is becoming so predictable. It's the same thing week after week. Janie winning comps week after week to remain alive. Will manipulating all these dimwits and all of them insisting in making alliances/deals with him. Everyone gunning to take down Janelle and failing miserably everytime. Marcellas/James/Erika/Danielle whining, bitching, complaining and hosting a never-ending pity party. Repeat this vicious cycle for 7 weeks and you have the entire season of BB7 summarized in a nutshell. It's tiresome.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that I almost wish that Janey got evicted already. Maybe if she's gone, these people would do something interesting, besides blaming Janelle for all their problems. I'm tired of seeing all of them conspire against Janelle. Maybe if she's gone, these piranhas will start devaouring one another.

YAY!! I thought I must be the only person out here that didn't want Jani to win....or even stay another week.

>bring back allison,

NOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!

LAST EDITED ON 08-15-06 AT 02:49 PM (EST)

Will, Boogie, James, Erika & Dani have been in deep discussion about sending Erika up to Howie & Janelle to pretend to "make a deal" with them that if she wins HoH she will put up James & Dani, that Erika caught them conspiring and knows James threw the HoH comp and Erika hates them now. Erika is to tell H&J that she will work with them if they vote out Marci this week.

They're also discussing having Boogie go up and offer his "great power" to help them, but they need to vote out Marci instead of Erika. Will said, "But you don't know what the power is and Janelle is smart and knows that." James says to do it anyway, he believes Boogie can get Janelle & Howie to believe him and they will make H&J look like F-ing fools on F-ing national TV.

Personally, I hope they all do this, especially Erika. Maybe this will make Janie & Howie realize that they really are by themselves in this game and surrounded by snakes. IMO, CT is overplaying at this point and this might finally expose them. (One can only hope). I'm surprised Will would be for this strategy, it is a bit too much, IMO.

James also tells all that they should NOT tell Marci he's going and try to break him down, because James wants to pull the rug out from Janelle on Thursday when she sees that everyone she thought was with her goes against her & takes out Marci. James feels that Janelle has been strutting around the house smug the last couple of days, thinking she has everyone with her.

James has this "alternate reality Janelle" that he views, because he sees her much differently than the way she's really acting. People like him are dirtbags. How do you build up that much hate against a person who really didn't do anything to you? Anyone that can turn like that are low.

ETA:

Well, they are obviously bummed that Marci didn't spazz out like they all thought he would so they could use Marci's tantrum to convince Janelle he needs to go . . . SO, they are sending Dani on a mission to fill Marci in on a scenario that Janelle is tight with CT and they are planning to vote Marci out. "Why do you think you are safe, Marcellas, remember what happened to Diane?" The plan is for Danielle to fill Marci's head full of "nasty Janelle" talk, while Will pulls Janie off to the side so Marci can see Will & Janie close and talking. Dani needs to get Marci to explode and they need to make sure Janelle is there to witness it. James thinks that it would be even better if Janelle misses the "explosion" because then everyone else can tell their "version" of it to Janelle and make it even worse.

Well, they are obviously bummed that Marci didn't spazz out like they all thought he would so they could use Marci's tantrum to convince Janelle he needs to go . . .

Didn't Janie tell Marci right off that he was safe, and only being used as a pawn to get out Erika? So he's not gonna spazz until they convince him that he's really NOT safe. And poor gullible Janie is just falling for it hook, line, and sinker.


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This is awful. Jani cannot compete with the others who are the strongest, not because she is weak or stupid but because mentally unhealthy people have incredible energy to play games of namipulation. No healthy person could ever outplay an unhealthy person. I'm not saying that Janelle is a 100% mentally healthy person, but I don't see her as being filled with hatred like some of the others, especially James. Booger has spewn hatred of her in the past too. Does anyone else feel that it would have to be in your nature to manipulate the way Will does. How could anyone create that much chaos and generate that much hatred the way he does and not get sick to their stomach, even if it is for $500,000?

As for James, he's just delusional, believing that his own anger for Janelle is justified. My support for Janelle is first, because she is such an amazing competitor, and second, because she is naive enough to have little or no understanding about how she is being disrespected and that makes me feel protective. I really feel sorry for her because I think when she does realize how she is being targeted it may be a trauma for her. Hopefully if that's the case she will become a stronger person. Am I alone?

If she's a mentally healthy person then I'm sure she can cope with it. As for feeling sorry for her, sure I do a bit, but with regards to people's motivations, it all depends on their view of the game. As far as I'm concerned, someone like James is buoyed by this irrational, personal, emotional motivation that seems entirely unhealthy, whereas someone like Will just has a thick skin and a broad perspective on people and why they act the way they do... he manipulates people and doesn't feel bad about it, but that's because he can take himself out of the context of the personal interaction and realize that it's a game, a limited interaction that isn't going to scar people for life... it's the same thing Richard Hatch did, and that doesn't make him a bad person (tax evasion does).

Will just has
>a thick skin and a
>broad perspective on people and
>why they act the way
>they do... he manipulates people
>and doesn't feel bad about
>it, but that's because he
>can take himself out of
>the context of the personal
>interaction and realize that it's
>a game, a limited interaction
>that isn't going to scar
>people for life... it's the
>same thing Richard Hatch did,
>and that doesn't make him
>a bad person (tax evasion
>does).
I get it - makes sense. Thanks for the point of view.

I agree with your perspective. I don't particularly like Will (actually, sometimes I do find myself rooting for him. sad, isn't it?) but I respect his gameplay. He manipulates, lies, and schemes only within the context of the game. He steps into the Diary Room and he comes clean with the audience. He tells you exactly what he's doing and the strategy behind it.

James on the other hand plays very dirty. He might think he's a manipulator, but he lacks the charm and charisma to pull it off. James takes his strategy to a very personal level that goes outside of the context of the game. It's very dirty and nasty. What bothers me the most about James is that he lacks any kind of self awareness. James goes into the Diary Room and acts so self-righteous. Instead of just admitting that he lied and backstabbed his alliance, he tries to justify his behavior by putting the blame on someone else. With James, everyone else is always at fault. It's disgusting to see him in action. James is incredibly lame.

No
>healthy person could ever outplay
>an unhealthy person.

WOW. Thx for giving me something constructive to think about. Work is boring me today.

I think I'm gonna have to disagree with that.

On 2 accounts. First I don't think that manipulative ppl are necessarily "unhealthy". In the case of James....yes. It is the bitterness factor though rather than the need to control IMO of course.

Second, I think "healthy" people can outplay "unhealthy" ppl on the basis of being rational and more capable of "leadership" qualities. flies...honey...same thing.

>
>Second, I think "healthy" people can
>outplay "unhealthy" ppl on the
>basis of being rational and
>more capable of "leadership" qualities.
> flies...honey...same thing.

I agree with that, but my point was that people in real life who cannot communicate/relate honestly and directly often do not respond to the "healty" qualities. I've seen people try to out manipulate them, and there lies the impossibility. So, I guess I mean that I don't see Janelle outplaying something that is invisible to her. Although, from your point of view she could outplay them with her strong competitive capabilities. Hmmm...gotta think about this.

4jedi,

You make a good point. It can be hard for a healthy person to outwit/manipulate an unhealthy person because most unhealthy people appear healthy, normal, and sane. By the time a healthy person realizes he is dealing with some pyshco crazy sh*t he is too far in it to get out of the way.

On the other hand, if a healthy person knows from the start what he is dealing with it is easier to get the upper hand.

>This is awful. Jani cannot
>compete with the others who
>are the strongest, not because
>she is weak or stupid
>but because mentally unhealthy people
>have incredible energy to play
>games of namipulation. No
>healthy person could ever outplay
>an unhealthy person.

Wow, just wow. That's all that can really be said about a post this retarded.

Do people pick on you in real life? Shakes is that why you try and act "tuff/bullish" on message boards.
Try standing up for yourself when you away from the computer, you feel better about yourself, and not need to post comments about other posters! or is what i said the 1st time.. you have a small D_ _ _!

Wait, I hear your mom calling you again, "Shakes, time for nap!"

Shakes makes a fair point in his usal blunt fashion -- the lengths Janelle's fans will go to elevate her and diminish her competitors often stetch the bounds of belief.

How does one define who is 'mentally healthy' and who is not? It seems to really be a synonym for the actors/players who that person is rooting for. If so, does that make the ones I like the mentally healthy ones, and the ones I dislike mentally unhealthy? Are the players who tell lies mentally unhealthy or just playing a game? Have we seen any real evidence of mental illness (delusions? hallucinations? suicidal behavior? violent or aberrent behavior? unprovoked laughing? sobbing?) or are we just seeing how different people behave in an unusual environment?

And what has Janelle done to demonstrate she is mentally healthier than the next person? Would anyone who is truly mentally healthy participate in such a program? Is one's appearance on Big Brother alone enough to warrant a diagnosis of mental illness? I could go on all day.

Is one's appearance on Big Brother alone enough to warrant a diagnosis of mental illness?

Perhaps not -- if you have a workable strategy to win the million dollars.

Otherwise, yes.

>Would anyone who is truly
>mentally healthy participate in such
>a program?

Exactly. While "mental health" is somewhat subjective....I think the privacy issues and general standard of living sacrifices permitted by these hgs indicate some degree of instability...HOWEVER...they're having fun for the most part and that's pretty emotionally healthy...it is a subject I don't think any of us really can evaluate..incl the Hollywood shrink in the house probably

Hey Shakes...do you have a "Best of Dumbest Posts"?

LAST EDITED ON 08-15-06 AT 05:13 PM (EST)

Mentally unhealthy? It's worse than that, darling. She's facing an alliance of Republicans, one of whom has mastered the power of smearing and schmoozing enough to make Karl Rove look like a pussycat. Janie doesn't have a chance.

eta: Oops -- posted too fast

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