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"Boogie Mike & The Pointless Twist Of Doom."
Posted by Estee on 08-14-06 at 01:12 PM
Okay. He's got it. Pretty soon, he'll find out what it is. Now -- what does he do with it? The cheap (and easy, and probably accurate) answer is 'Whatever Will tells him to do.' But...

This could be the latest in a series of BB twists that proves to be absolutely no factor in the game. It's very possible that Mike will pull a Terry and just sit on the thing until it's no longer good. Chilltown's entire existence in the cage has been based around not openly seizing power. They sit back, they watch, they manipulate -- and frankly, they don't care what's happening as long as they're not the ones at risk. If things continue to work against the floaters, possibly including a dump of James at the first convenient moment, Mike & Will may not find themselves in a position where they must use the coup. Erika goes, Danielle goes, Marcellas goes -- that's three and the pointless twist is dead for the year.

Is there a position where Mike would have to use the coup? It feels like there's one: he and Will on the block. But right now, they've managed to convince the non-floaters in the cage that their best interest is in getting the floaters out -- and the floaters think they've got to dump S6 before anyone else. It would take a major synapse firing by someone to come to the 'Chilltown must go now!' conclusion, and that doesn't seem likely with this group. Howie might do it by accident, but that's just a case of scrambling up the keys. A Mike & Will nomination is still possible, but at this point, it's not probable --

-- and Mike might not use the coup even if that went through. Right now, Will is Mike's shield: if he has any brains at all, he's realized this. Mike is not a primary target as long as Will's around. However, this is giving Mike credit for the ability to think, or at least, to think for himself. Right now, Will's doing the thinking for both of them. It's quite possible that if they were both up, Mike might say 'Well, only one of us can win and he's got to go sometime. They're all going to target him and I'll be in the house for another week -- where's the harm?' This would be monumentally stupid. It might even be as monumentally stupid as invoking the coup at the wrong moment and turning Chilltown into the target in the cage, because the primary motivation on any BB season is always revenge, and suddenly, people would have something new to take revenge for.

My early prediction: no direct use of the coup unless Will & Mike are both up. He may, however, explain how it functions to the other hamsters (if he's allowed to) and use it as a threat to get Chilltown's way. "Don't bother nominating us -- we'll just flip you up there instead." The coup may be more helpful as a threat than an event. You can use a threat every week until the slip is no longer good.

But of course, if Chilltown goes with that, they'd better make sure the other hamsters believe the coup is good for the entire game. Because as soon as it runs out --

-- revenge.


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"RE: Boogie Mike & The Pointless Twist Of Doom."
Posted by AZ_Leo on 08-14-06 at 01:29 PM
Right now, Will's doing the thinking for both of them.

Shouldn't that be: Will's doing the thinking for all of them?



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"RE: Boogie Mike & The Pointless Twist Of Doom."
Posted by Estee on 08-14-06 at 01:35 PM
No one's mentally strong enough to think for Howie, because no one can keep Howie from forgetting what he was last told and going on a 'Big Boy!' rampage for six hours. You can think for James, but you have to substitute for the part he's been thinking with, and he may not want to give that up.
"RE: Boogie Mike & The Pointless Twist Of Doom."
Posted by true on 08-14-06 at 01:34 PM
Too funny Estee!

I've hated the idea of this twist since it was announced. Having said that, I agree that Woogie are least likely to need to use it. I don't think they should tell anyone what it is either, as others in their many alliances may expect him to use it on them. I agree that he won't really need it unless both he and Will are on the block together. It's possible that Marcellas or George could put them both up, but probably not until Howie and Janelle are gone. By then, it won't be good anymore anyway.

It is possible that one of Woogie could go up in the next couple of weeks. Heck, one of them could go up this week, (though I doubt it) as Janelle was considering using Boogie as a pawn to get out Erica. This is where Boogie might use it. Even if he is put up as a pawn, can he really trust that he has the votes to stay? Especially since the others know that he most likely won the mysterious power, it could make them want to get him out asap. Would he take the chance of making such a dumb move as Marcellas in season 3 by not using it when he is on the block, but feels he's safe? Pretty risky.

I think it would be pretty funny if Janelle put him up as a pawn this week, and he gets scared into using it to save himself. Then, he has to go on the spot and save Erica, whom he's been fooling around with, or not. Who else would he put up? He wouldn't want to put up Danielle, James, Howie or Janelle, because he's safe with them. Of course, Will is out of the question. That leaves Marcellas and George. HA! If he's forced to use it this week, it will kill his stragegy and expose his alliances.

If he doesn't go on the block this week, he won't use it. He'd be an idiot if he did.

"RE: Boogie Mike & The Pointless Twist Of Doom."
Posted by ginger on 08-14-06 at 01:42 PM
LAST EDITED ON 08-14-06 AT 01:42 PM (EST)

All of that makes perfect sense, Dahlin Estee. The only POSSIBLE wildcard scenario (and I think it a slight possibility at best) is that Boogie is "forced" to use it to save Erika. Because he's schtupping her.


They apparently had very intimate, very conclusive moments over the weekend.

"RE: Boogie Mike & The Pointless Twist Of Doom."
Posted by Estee on 08-14-06 at 01:45 PM
Because he's schtupping her.

Sorry, I don't speak your total dweeb language. Or Yiddish.

(It's a crossthread. Really.)



"RE: Boogie Mike & The Pointless Twist Of Doom."
Posted by true on 08-14-06 at 01:49 PM
I don't think Boogie will have any trouble cutting Erica loose. He felt a twinge of guilt when it was first suggested, but Erica has been campaigning hard against him since the moment Dani won the veto. That pretty much knocked out any guilt he may have felt. However, Boogie is very uneasy about where Marcellas stands, and if Janelle should nominate Marcellas, he may be tempted to vote him out. They've been working Janelle pretty hard to nom Marcellas, but so far, she refuses.
"RE: Boogie Mike & The Pointless Twist Of Doom."
Posted by CantStandToLook on 08-14-06 at 01:44 PM
Love your theories Estee but I'm guessing that part of the super-power will be that noone else can know exactly what your power is. If they know he has the power then he gets an unfair advantage in that he can bully people into letting him win or at least make it four more weeks.

However, that said, if he has to keep a secret or lose it, I see him losing it cause he can't keep his trap shut. So we come back to the same conclusion, it doesn't get used.


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"RE: Boogie Mike & The Pointless Twist Of Doom."
Posted by Wacko Jacko on 08-14-06 at 01:54 PM
He can keep his mouth shut. He never revealed that he and Erika are dating....did he? Mike unlike Will has been trying to win HoH....or at least he gives the impression he is trying. Of course he will only use the special power if he is on the block....it is no different that the hidden imunity on Survivor. You keep it until you need it. I don't see it as pointless at all. If he tells people he has it there or at least makes other think he has it it will also make it hard to nominate him....like on Survivor. Mike is virtually guarenteed to make it to the final three now.
"RE: Boogie Mike & The Pointless Twist Of Doom."
Posted by CattyChat on 08-14-06 at 01:55 PM
I agree, Estee. I don't see Boogie using it, because Will & Boogie will be exposed and finally have to choose a side, thereby cementing enemies of those they side against.

However, I still have some questions about this Coup d'Etat. First of all, on Thursday is it going to be revealed to all the HGs what power Boogie has as holder of the CdE or will it still be kept secret? If all the HGs find out, Will & Boogie are going to be in for a tough couple of weeks, because he will have Dani/James wanting Boogie to use it to further the LOD alliance and Janie/Howie urging them to use it to further the 5 alliance. This will put CT in the spotlight again and they will become targets, which is what Will has been working hard against. I think CT is going to hate that Boogie won this power when and if it is revealed to all.

Second, say he chose to use it this Thursday to save Erika (which I doubt) and dethrones Janelle and changes the noms for immediate evitction. First, can the overthrown HOH be put up at that time or is she still safe from eviction? Second, if Boogie chooses the LOD side this Thursday and dethrones Janie and puts up Howie and Janie or Marci (depending on whether Janie can be put up after the coup), then is the overthrown HOH allowed to play in this week's HOH comp, thereby leaving Boogie with a 30-min HOH and not able to play for next week's HOH?

There are so many questions still unanswered, how is Boogie going to get debriefed on all of the ramifications in a live show? I thought the person who guessed right would be immediately advised of the new power, so at least that person could start thinking about how & when it is best to use it.

With all these questions & possibilities, I doubt Boogie will use is THIS Thursday, because he will have to consult Will in order to understand everything. Will is the brains of the operation and Boogie would be sealing his doom if he acted without Will's guidance.


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"RE: Boogie Mike & The Pointless Twist Of Doom."
Posted by AugustGirl on 08-15-06 at 07:01 AM
I doubt Boogie will use is THIS Thursday, because he will have to consult Will in order to understand everything.

I agree with you, Catty. If Boogie is called into the DR right before the voting begins and told about the CdE, I have no doubt he will not use it because he hasn't spoken to Will about it. Another reason is I don't think he really cares who goes this week. IF Will was up this week and IF Boogie felt Will was at risk to go, I think he would use it.

Another thing Boogie has to consider is who does he dethrone, and who does he put up for eviction? He could possibly really piss off 3 three people, so he has to be careful of who he sends to sequester. CT has an alliance with almost everyone in the house...CG and Marcellus being the only two they don't have a deal with. Marcellus could possibly be gone this week and CG seems to be guaranteed to go the next time he is put up (of course this changes on an hourly basis in this house).

From the producers' stand point, I think the worst possible person won this. Should be interesting to see how it plays out.


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"RE: Boogie Mike & The Pointless Twist Of Doom."
Posted by Bob Tomato on 08-14-06 at 02:04 PM
It is a pointless twist of doom, but only because it is in Woogie's hands. CT will only use this gift defensively -- if they are both nominated, they will use it to turn on whoever nominated them. I don't see how that strategy could be criticized.

But can there be any doubt that if this power had fallen into other hands, like Janelle or Danielle, two people who are apt to keep engineering the nomination of the other until only one is standing, that it would be used? If Danielle had it now, would she hesitate to use it this week to get Janelle out of the house once and for all?

It would be fun to see it used, but unless Marcellus wins HoH in the next two weeks (fat chance) I don't see it happening.

"RE: Boogie Mike & The Pointless Twist Of Doom."
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 08-14-06 at 02:05 PM
If everyone knows what the power is doesn't it make HOH totally pointless for the next 3 weeks, or until it's used?

"RE: Boogie Mike & The Pointless Twist Of Doom."
Posted by nailbone on 08-14-06 at 02:20 PM
It doesn't make HOH pointless, but it changes the strategy drastically.

If they all know that Booger has it, and what can happen if he uses it, that'll affect the noms, and keep CT off the block....something that'd happen anyway. But they could use the noms to force CT to pick a side, like they've been talking about making the floaters do all along. So if Janie and Danielle go against each other, would he use it? And if not, who would they campaign for?



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"RE: Boogie Mike & The Pointless Twist Of Doom."
Posted by CantStandToLook on 08-14-06 at 02:30 PM
exactly, it only makes sense that it would have to be kept secret. People would be throwing HOH left and right if everyone knew.
"RE: Boogie Mike & The Pointless Twist Of Doom."
Posted by michel on 08-14-06 at 02:43 PM
But if it has to be kept secret then Boogie can't even tell Will. How "Will" he think for himself?
"RE: Boogie Mike & The Pointless Twist Of Doom."
Posted by okaychatt on 08-14-06 at 03:50 PM
LAST EDITED ON 08-14-06 AT 03:52 PM (EST)

<it only makes sense that it would have to be kept secret. People would be throwing HOH left and right if everyone knew

But if anyone in that house has an inkling as to what a coup d'etat IS, then he'd already know the power had to do with undermining the HOH. And if he understands that, he'd have to be considering new noms. If he had any brains to work with, that is.

Considering neither Janelle nor Howie knew what "pulling the wool over your eyes" meant, we can safely conclude some of the hamsters have no clue what a coup d'etat is, either.

Also - We know Boogie is *saying* he won the prize...Any chance he could be lying? I don't think he is, but I thought the instructions were to keep it a secret if you won.

ETA - Sometimes I think Woogie is playing with the producers and internet viewers as much as they are playing with the other hamsters.



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"RE: Boogie Mike & The Pointless Twist Of Doom."
Posted by Joyav123 on 08-14-06 at 10:48 PM
He is playing to the camera as is Will, Will behaves as if he
is the director constantly talking about what to edit, Woogie
an Dr Doom are stars in their own eyes!
"RE: Boogie Mike & The Pointless Twist Of Doom."
Posted by tamarama on 08-15-06 at 10:17 AM
>>But if anyone in that house has an inkling as to what a coup d'etat IS,<<

I don't think they've been told that it's called CdE.

(btw, agree that Woogie are the least likely to use this.)

"RE: Boogie Mike & The Pointless Twist Of Doom."
Posted by LIVEURBESTLIFE on 08-15-06 at 12:47 PM
LAST EDITED ON 08-15-06 AT 12:51 PM (EST)

I think only the viewing audience knows it is called a coup d'etat. The HG only know that the winner will get a special power.

ETA: I do agree that even if they knew it was called a coup d'etat they still wouldn't know what the power is considering they called the sheep a lamb, not knowing what "pull the wool over your eyes" means and other moments of utter stupidity they have suffered this season.

"RE: Boogie Mike & The Pointless Twist Of Doom."
Posted by Buggy on 08-15-06 at 08:02 AM
I love the title of this thread.

"RE: Boogie Mike & The Pointless Twist Of Doom."
Posted by roxydog on 08-15-06 at 01:37 PM
It seems that most of them have a general idea of what the power is.

If CT has won the power it likely will not need to be used before it expires since they don't seem to be targets.

But they do have it in their back pocket in the event of a sudden burst of intelligence from the Doc's patients.

It is perfect for them since they have so much hidden power already why shouldn't they have this as well.

"RE: Boogie Mike & The Pointless Twist Of Doom."
Posted by Wacko Jacko on 08-15-06 at 01:52 PM
The twist is not pointless in that it protects the person who has it from ever being nominated. We still don't know if the HoH is exempt from the overturned noms, but if they are not if the HoH nominates Boogie they risk being put up. But even if they don't know, say it is Janelle and she know Boogie could put anyone up but her.....does she want to risk Howie being put up? No, of course not so they will avoid nominating Boogie. The power is very powerful and will shield Booge kinda like it shielded Terry from Survivor. Boogie is not guarenteed to make it as long is the Coup is effective.

Let's just say Howie wins the HoH next. Sure Danielle will like to save herself and whoever from her alliance is nominated with her. But Boogie just has to tell Danielle that 'I am saving this until I get put up". How can Danielle rightfully be mad at boogie for doing that. After all even Danielle understands that Boogie is playing for himself not any alliance he may have. Would he use it on Will? That is an interesting discussion. I would say it depends how close to the end of the game it is before he uses it. You saw when Terry from Survivor had an opportunity to save players who he had a strong alliance with he did not use it. It would of been stupid for him to use it and the same goes for Boogie in this instance.

"RE: Boogie Mike & The Pointless Twist Of Doom."
Posted by LIVEURBESTLIFE on 08-15-06 at 02:21 PM
This isnt about Survivor but Terry was stupid for NOT using the immunity idol. Had he used it Aras would have been sent home since Terry always voted for Aras and Aras's tribe always voted together. The rule was the person who had the next highest number of votes during that vote would be sent home if the idol was used. I liked Aras so I was glad Terry never figured that out.

Anyway back to BB...I feel that Woogie will make the best decision for the two of them when the time comes. So if the best decision for them is to not use it then they won't use it and vice versa. They aren't stupid and they always do what's best for both of them.

"RE: Boogie Mike & The Pointless Twist Of Doom."
Posted by davwav02 on 08-17-06 at 09:26 PM
So, if I understood correctly, this power is valid for the next three evictions, meaning it could've be used tonight (8-17), It could be used Sunday (8-20), or it can be used next Thursday (8-24). So he has basically one week to use it and that's it.

On another note, I replayed the episode and Julie's exact words were: "Only he or she knows what it is, and they are not allowed to reveal the power until the moment it is used." So what happens if he tells someone? Does he lose it? Does he get a penalty nom? (like they'll ever make one of those). And as I began speculation, I thought it would be more valuable to use this power as a threat than the power itself, much like others have said above, but with him being unable to reveal, i guess it's just free pass, should he need to use it.

"RE: Boogie Mike & The Pointless Twist Of Doom."
Posted by chappi66 on 08-17-06 at 09:59 PM
I'm not sure but my interpretation of the power, is that he only knows what it is and is not allowed to reveal until he gets ready to use it, but I don't think it was against the rules to say he had the special power. He just couldn't reveal exactly what the power did to the other HG's. That is how I heard it, but I could be totally off base.

"Well...."
Posted by AyaK on 08-18-06 at 07:52 PM
...it certainly wasn't pointless today. The coup power saved Will from being nominated by Chicken George.
"RE: Well...."
Posted by CantStandToLook on 08-19-06 at 11:57 PM
Aldav posted that Boogie lost the power not very long after getting it for not being able to keep his big trap shut. Still no-one else knew that so he still had the illusion of power and used it for all it was worth which was plenty this week.


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"No..."
Posted by AyaK on 08-20-06 at 00:01 AM
He lost the power because he's HoH and can't overturn his own nominations.