You took the words right out of my mouth. I said last night that if Jasmine goes any further in the competition I would never watch the show again. Needless to say, LaToya getting voted off is absolutely ridiculous. I refuse to suffer through another performance from Jasmine Cheeseface again. Not only can she not sing, she is so annoyingly predictable with the stupid flower in her hair and her fake smile and blowing kisses and saying "Thank you guys so much, thank you, thank you!" Puh-lease...Does she HAVE to do that? Who the heck is voting for her, anyway? Word of advice, have your hearing checked. Me saying that she is terrible is an understatement. Its far worse than that.

hahahah Jasmine Cheeseface!!!!

i am ALL FOR boycotting the show. i can't even begin to describe how pissed off i am! i voted for 2 hours last night, for fantasia AND latoya. poor fantasia, i bet she's next to go. obviously there's a pattern here, & i have a feeling she's losing a lot of fans just by latoya going home.

did you see the post about time zones & voting? is it possible that hawaii (or other time zones) can vote prior to the show airing? i was just wondering about that last night. what time does it air in each time zone? Central is at 7pm.

If Fox is available on satellite feed, then it would be possible to live on the west coast and pick up the east coast feed live. Sounds like edt and central(8:00 edt, 7:00 central)air at the same time. Pacific time is 8:00, don't know about Mountain. Assuming Mountain and Pacific are the same, anyone in Hawaii, picking up both live feeds, theoretically has 2 extra chances to vote. Does anyone know if Fox blacks it out in all areas other than where it's airing live? If not, they should.

I definitely agree. I know it has to be more than the producers rigging it. The underlying factor is race. All the good singers have been African American. Simon said it night in and night out that he felt that latoya and fantasia were the best singers. This is bull crap. Jasmina knows that she doesnt deserve any of this. She cried last night beacause she knows she did horrible. Se even looked pitiful tonight. Paula was crying her but off she knows as well. Everyone does. Racist IDOl

There IS a logical reason, and it's simple! LaToya's fans assumed she'd move forward to the next round, so they didn't jam up the phone lines with votes! Jasmine's fans heard the lousy (and justly deserved) reviews from the judges and rallied round. Race had nothing to do with it - it's plain and simple, although they won't want to hear it, LaToya's fans let her down 100%. There needs to be an overwhelming outpouring of support for Diana and Fantasia next week, or Jasmine will end up in the top 2, and that would be a monumental tragedy.

I have to disagree with you that Latoya's fans did not vote and thus let her down. There seems to be something unusual going on with the whole voting proceedure this year. We have been voting for three years. After that fiasco with Jennifer, despite all of our votes, we knew to be deligent and consistent in our voting. My friends in the Eastern Time Zone, I in Central and others on the West Coast found ourselves, phone in hand for two hours barely able to get a vote in because Latoya's line was jammed. How many others attempting to vote had the same experience, is impossible to tell.

I do not think it has anything to do with race, but I do believe that somebody has figured out how to knock off the competition electronically, during the voting. And I agree with the person who believes that the judges' votes should count as 50 percent or so, to assure that the real talents compete against each other. Jasmine's staying in the competition is a real insult to talented people everywhere.

American Idol is turning into a real FARCE!!!! And I hope this FARCE gets Jasmine as their American Idol! The other three can go on to become winners using their talents. Just tell me where to sign my name for the boycott!

It is a farce. I do still believe, though, that LaToya's fans underestimated the amount of support Jasmine would receive. The word out there is LaToya's phone line wasn't completely jammed up Tuesday night, and it was fairly easy to get through - unless they jumped ship and voted for Jasmine, which isn't likely. Whatever anyone's thoughts on this are, it should be a wake-up call for next week, (for those who aren't boycotting!) because Hawaii will be ready again to get their idol through to the final round. And that would be just plain wrong.

"I in Central and others on the West Coast found ourselves, phone in hand for two hours barely able to get a vote in because Latoya's line was jammed. How many others attempting to vote had the same experience, is impossible to tell."

I had the EXACT same experience. Placed as many votes as I could within the two-hour time frame. But I got a busy signal on about half of the calls I made.

The whole show is now a farce for me. I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories. I don't think it's JUST tween-agers with cell phones doing a bunch of power voting. I just think it's a democratic voting system run amok.

It saddens me that all this controvery will probably garner even higher ratings for AI. Which means there probably will be a fourth series. Goody: we can all watch in horror as the next batch of Tamyras and LaToyas get voted off well before they deserve to.

Shame.

I had the hardest time voting this week. Everytime i called i kept getting "All circuits are busy" for LaToya. Who knows what is going on with the voting.

>I have to disagree with you
>that Latoya's fans did not
>vote and thus let her
>down. There seems to
>be something unusual going on
>with the whole voting proceedure
>this year. We have
>been voting for three years.
> After that fiasco with
>Jennifer, despite all of our
>votes, we knew to be
>deligent and consistent in our
>voting. My friends in
>the Eastern Time Zone, I
>in Central and others on
>the West Coast found ourselves,
>phone in hand for two
>hours barely able to get
>a vote in because Latoya's
>line was jammed. How
>many others attempting to vote
>had the same experience, is
>impossible to tell.
>
>I do not think it has
>anything to do with race,
>but I do believe that
>somebody has figured out how
>to knock off the competition
>electronically, during the voting.
>And I agree with the
>person who believes that the
>judges' votes should count as
>50 percent or so, to
>assure that the real talents
>compete against each other.
>Jasmine's staying in the competition
>is a real insult to
>talented people everywhere.
>
>American Idol is turning into a
>real FARCE!!!! And I
>hope this FARCE gets Jasmine
>as their American Idol!
>The other three can go
>on to become winners using
>their talents. Just tell
>me where to sign my
>name for the boycott!

I am a LaToya fan and I voted 55 times for her that night and had no trouble getting through. If it doesn't go through in the first few seconds hang up and hit redial again and again until you get the recording and than start all over again.I wished I had stayed on for the whole two hours but stopped after 30 minutes.I thought she was safe but now I know better and I won't be making that mistake again.

It's easy to see why this happened (just like when it always happens)on these boards or on the MSN Boards. Tons of Latoya fans saying: "I voted 10 times" or "I voted 5 times". Jasmine was so bad last night that her fans voted 300 times for 2 hours trying to save her. Simon basically dared all of Hawaii to vote.

When it came down to it, Latoya just didn't inspire enough passion. She'll be more than all right.

And I totally admit, I don't vote 100% on voice. Why should I? We have this debate every week. Different things are important to different people in their American Idol. For some people it is singing. For others it's personalities. Others it's looks, who is from their state, etc. That's why it's such an interesting show. It takes more than being a good singer to be a star.

I don't agree with a boycott and I don't think any great number of extra people are actually voting for Jasmine OR that the tears brought her extra votes. In fact, I actually think that LaToya did it to HERSELF by not giving the public the show that they deserve to see. Someone said it very aptly a while back when they said they would be willing to buy her records but not watch her in public.

I predicted to my husband that there WOULD be an upset tonight and that LaToya would go......not because Jasmine would harbour a sympathy vote but BECAUSE Latoya's votes would go to DIANA. Who is the one to watch these days and is threatening to win this competition??????? Certainly not Jasmine that you all seem to be whining about!!!

>I don't agree with a boycott
>and I don't think any
>great number of extra people
>are actually voting for Jasmine
>OR that the tears brought
>her extra votes. In fact,
>I actually think that LaToya
>did it to HERSELF by
>not giving the public the
>show that they deserve to
>see. Someone said it very
>aptly a while back when
>they said they would be
>willing to buy her records
>but not watch her in
>public.
>
>I predicted to my husband that
>there WOULD be an upset
>tonight and that LaToya would
>go......not because Jasmine would harbour
>a sympathy vote but BECAUSE
>Latoya's votes would go to
>DIANA. Who is the one
>to watch these days and
>is threatening to win this
>competition??????? Certainly not Jasmine that
>you all seem to be
>whining about!!!

I do not agree with your statement that LaToya did not give the public what they deserved but we all have our opinions. I think Diana has a good voice but not superstar material yet. We are voting for an American Idol not an American Idol in the making. Some of us seem to have a short memory but American Idol runner-up Justin was given the boot by his recording company because he was not selling any records. Believe me, these companies do not run on, in the future they may be great, they need to leave American Idol running. I don't feel we are doing the contestants any justice by voting for them because they are cute, bubbly, etc. Can they earn the contract they are going to be receiving or are they going to be a no-hit wonder - although our American Idol.

I do not blame the public as much as I feel the judges help push the public in the direction they vote. They need to be completely honest with your critiques across the board. I don't think they realize (when they say things such as "That wasn't your best this week or I wasn't feeling you") the Ameican public is waiting for a chance to oust the front-runner for the underdog and these comments give them the ammunition to do so. Even comments like, you are going home, have proven more than once to be incorect. I think they know what they are doing and I blame them for a lot of what is going on now. You and I know that there were a lot of off key notes that were not even commented on by our judges. (Their comments - good job - best yet, etc.) If you are going to judge, judge fairly. If you are hard of hearing or afraid of hurting feelings, remember this is a contest. If they worked for Donald Trump, they would all be fired and so would the American public. Give the job to someone else who will fairly judge the competition.

I also feel that after this total disaster of an American Idol Content, the judging should be taken from the American public and given to Guest Judges -- Guest Judges every week. Simon, Paula and Randy can still offer their comments, but they do not make the final decision as to who goes or stays.

I think there would be an easier way than voting for your favorite person and that would be to vote for the person you want to leave the next night than you would only have to call one persons number for the next two hours if that is what you wanted to do.Much easier than what they have now.

here's a thought, why doesn't American Idol let us vote for who we think should be voted OFF? Or allow just one vote (okay, okay or five or 10) per viewer telephone line? I suppose AT&T or AI or some other entity involved would stand to loose thousands of dollar......but to have clear talent gone such as happened in the last few weeks, turns the show into something besides a talent search. Most of the American public IS smarter then a box of dirt and it's hard to invest time in watching and voting for a talented contestants that disappear.

Does anyone know the demographics of the voters? i am new to this board and agree with many of the posts.

DON'T BLAME JASMINE MAKING IN THE FINAL 3!!!

Blame the producers for making these results!!!

It's too obvious that they want Jasmine to be the villainess while LaToya is the victim! You slammed her badly just because she made it in the final 3! Don't you see what's happening! OPEN YOUR MIND! The real victim here is Jasmine! She deserved to go last night but the producers kept her to create a big a**hole drama...

Jennifer was made to look like a victim while John was the one they have to blame!!! It worked great 'cause it made a controversy. It create issues and people around the world talked about these. The producers are all happy! It can create high publicity!

This is what they are doin' again on LaToya and Jasmine! Don't make a d*mn big deal about it! Anyway, Jasmine will only be 3rd 'cause the producers already set up a Final 2 Diana and Fantasia!

Don't slam Jasmine just because she made it this far! Slam the producers and boycott the show! Jasmine will be hurt too badly by this scenario! She'll always end up as a loser in the end! And it's all because of the producer... They want this show to be a big time while hurting these YOUNG KIDS!!! Jasmine is talented but she's regressing badly... She's not at par with LaToya and Fantasia but still she has talent!

The real A**ES in this show are the JUDGES and specifically the PRODUCERS!!!

(Note, I didn't vote for her anymore... it's for her own good! D*mn, those manipulative producers!!!)

wasn't part of the producers' plan for Final 2! If Jennifer was still here, she'll topple all of them 'cause she'll improve greatly... Jasmine is obviously regressing way too much right now... Diana and Fantasia are the Producer's Final 2 Plan... LaToya and Jennifer are unexpected factors in this show which is not part of these producers' plans...

The fate of these contestants are not in our hands.. it's in the sneaky rotten mind of these producers!

Exactly but I think America is finally getting wise to this show and the producers.
I think they have it mappped out from the start who is going home each week before it happens.
Gee, didn't Simon say Tuesday night to Diana to stay away from Fantasia and Latoya cause she could break them up.. Coincidence? or was that statement planned.??
Rememeber jennifer's night before going home when Simon said The 3 Divas and she had the other 2 Divas getting nervous.. Come on, these shows are even scripted I would say down to what the judges are saying.
I hate to keep repeating this but if you go to the American Idol website and the questions and answers, the last line concerning rules says" Rules and procedures are subject to change at the discretion of teh PRODUCER without notice. so you can figure out what that means, it means nobody can sue them for rigging the votes the way they want them to go.

Agree with you 1000%.
JASMINE is the victim here, not Latoya. The producers are using her just like they used John to stir controversy for the show.

And you're right. In terms of talent,Jasmine does not compare to latoya and fantasia who should have been the final two. But then again this does not give anybody, including the JUDGES, the right to crucify her.

Do Paula and Randy have any respect for Jasmine's family? They almost told Jasmine last night 'Leave the show right now'. At least, Simon did not put the blame on Jasmine. He simply said she should be thankful to hawaii, America chooses the winners......

There is no way the producers would risk the fallout that would occur if the public found out that the results were scripted. The ratings for the show too good. They are raking in the money for advertising.

Just because many Americans do not agree with the results, does not mean that there is a conspiracy theory at work here.

Well what if they somehow manipulate the phone lines so that its harder to get through to one contestant bu not the other, a busy signal does not necessarily mean votes are getting in, it could mean its hard to get in so no votes are being cast.
If and when it came down to showing results on paper you would have an accurate count.
If you truly beieve the show is on the up and up with the voting and the way people are voted off are left up there then why would they have to put the line at the end of the rules that states that the rules and procedures can be changed at anytime at the discretion of the producer without any notice.
This tells you that everything may not be what you think it is.

rules and procedures can be changed at anytime at the discretion of the producer without any notice.

One reason they do this is to protect themselves from unforeseen problems. For example, on one show they gave the wrong phone number for one of the contestants at the end. So instead of voting anyone off during the next show, they threw the votes out and let everyone stay.

This is EXACTLY what producers hoped to do, sparking anger in people brings great ratings!

Then American should show them and NOT watch...

I won't be watching next season!!

I absolutely agree with everything you're saying. and the fact that they keep reiterating, "America has voted" just gives me a creepy feeling. I definitely think that this show will not last much longer if they keep insulting "America" by saying that we are the ones that are voting for these not-up-to-par contestants. I also believe that the judges will have a hard time coming back next year.

I agree with you 100%.
Jasmine should have gone before George and the producers fixed it then so she could stay.
Now to send Latoya home before Jasmine, it stinks.
I say everyone should stop watching.
Diana and Jasmine in the finals, its possible. Oh my tv may crack from the flat notes, off key screaming that will go on.
They all knew Latoya was going, if you think to the comments Paula made about Americana will forgive you. Ryan kept impressing the fact that America votes and that was the night before.
Even that dumb psychic made reference to Jasmine beating out everyone and then she told Latoya even if this is the end your career will go on, something to that effect.
ITS RIGGED..... the rules state that they can change rules and procedures at anytime without notice. so what does that tell you, I the producer will pick and choose who I want. The sad fact is they are making AT&T richer off of this with text messaging. I say everyone should boycott the rest of this season. DO NOT WATCH

For those who don't think it is possible, it IS possible for the show to manipulated. There's an "independent marketing firm" tabulating the votes. These are the same folks that call you at 7:30 p.m. every night and try to get you to re-finance your mortgage even though you've told them 3 billion times that you live in an apartment. Do you really trust them? The producers?

mld

Wow I never knew that but it makes sense and think of all the numbes they are getting everytime you call to vote. I don't think they worry about that Do Not call thing anyway.
It is so manipulated.
I just wish some disgruntled employee would blow the cover on them but I guess they are probably like the Enron employees and don't even know it is going on.

Jasmine -- pretty? Of course!
Singing -- So-so...yes/no...sometimes she's okay, sometimes not!

Really though, this show has disappointed me...LaToya being sent home sounds like a joke!

I totally agree the show needs a rude awakening.

I remember the first year when 2 of my faves didn't make it - I was so mad and outraged I swore I would never watch the show again.

The 2nd year, I decided to watch just the auditions and I can't remember if I stopped after Clay Aiken made it to the finals or the first contestant from year 2 got voted off (and it wasn't Clay). And, I didn't watch any of the final parts except for what I would see while flipping channels.

For year 3, again the auditions but there were many contestants that I was rooting for so I decided to watch.

It was a hundred times worse than the first year.

JPL & Big Red made a mockery of the show - now it seems this process is repeating and I really have to agree that there is some sort of manipulation going on or the "power voters" armed with their high speed computerized dialers are making a generally enjoyable show into a nightmare.

Combine that with commercial after commercial, the endless plugs for products within the show, etc., - the correct word or words for what this show is are not commonly appreciated on forum boards.

Anyway, Latoya will be a star, no doubt. Good luck Latoya, we're rooting for you.

Also, I do hope Jasmine wins - that way the show's credibility will be ZILCH!

P.s. I still don't think the most talented contestant has won any American Idol thus far. I guess we just need to face it or buy one of those computerized power dialers. I don't think I really care anymore.

You are an example of why a boycott will likely fail. Even though on several occasions when you got disgusted with the voting results and swore you would not watch again, you ended up watching again. The producers have no reason to change things much as long as the ratings are through the roof.

The vast majority of viewers that were so disgusted when Jennifer was voted out and again when La Toya was voted out, will be back watching next week and next season.

If the results always went exactly like the judges concensus then the show would get boring very quickly. The fact is that with the voting system as it is, there will continue to be some surprizes in the voting results which will help the ratings rather than hinder the ratings.

Clearly the voting has been curious, but it isn't strictly demographics or George Huff would still be around as the only male while the female vote is split.

I don't think the producers are rigging it. If they were then Jennifer, Latoya and Amy (the 3 best singers) would still be around.

I do agree that if Jasmine wins the show should be boycotted. I will never watch again if she is the winner.

Shame on Simon for giving her the sympathy vote! That crying little b*!*@ knew just what she was doing on stage. I could have strangled her for being elated after finding out she was safe. She should be ashamed, her voice is awful.

http://www.small.to/article.php?story=20040513170603967

I don't think it's riggeed either. Poor Jas though. You guys shouldn't be so hard on her. It's not her fault if she's getting enough votes to contiune. Blame the voting rules not her personally.

Poor Jas though. You guys shouldn't be so hard on her.

Why? That's all part of the fun.

It's not fun if you are making fun of someone, especially if done unjustly.
Definitely not her fault to have stayed .She didn't have a hand on the result.

It's fun for me and it was very deserving, not unjust at all.

Hey SheDevil,whats going on?? Missed you yesterday, you could have helped me out.
Hey the next message says Jasmine did not have a hand in the voting, excuse me and shedevil can vouch for me, Jasmine power votes for herself after every show. The whole Trias family got new AT&T phones just for the purpose so how does she not have a hand in the voting, she has her hand on her cell phone continously..

You're right joshidol, Jasmine said so herself, she's proud that she votes for herself. I've been really busy around my house getting old baby stuff ready to give to my niece, she just had a baby girl.

Congrats on the new baby..
Glad to have you back..

Thanks joshidol, you're a sweetie.

Of course Jasmine was elated that she was safe, she acted in the manner that any other 17 year girl would act. Please, let's not forget that she is a teenager, playing an adult game.

I know, I know, John Stevens is 16, and he seemed upset each week that he didn't go, but John Stevens is unlike any other 16 year old boy that I ever met. He was more adult about the situation than most grown ups I know.

I also think it is awful how people try to blame the contestants for the results. Jasmine has no more to do with Laytoya being voted off, than John Stevens had to do with Jennifer being voted off. I wonder, how many people, out of the ones that are doing all the complaining actualy voted? Probaly not alot, so unless all those people voted their heads off for Laytoya, they really should blame themselves for the results.

Lets also remember a couple of very important things. This is a TV show, it is a contest, for entertainment purposes. It is not an election, our lives do not depend on who wins. There is so much more terrible things going on in this world, than whether Laytoya and Jennifer got the boot. Those two young women will go on and be better off than they were 6 months ago. So I really don't boo hoo for them.

There is more postivie with AI, than there is negative. It's just bringing up the negative seems to be alot more fun for most people

Of course Jasmine was elated that she was safe, she acted in the manner that any other 17 year girl would act. Please, let's not forget that she is a teenager, playing an adult game.

If Jasmine wants to sit at the adult table, she needs to act like an adult, John Stevens did,so her age will not excuse her actions.I don't blame Jasmine that Latoya is gone, I only blame Jasmine for her bad singing.This messageboard is for entertainment also,and some people (like myself) enjoy picking on the contestants.You're right, bringing up the negative about AI is more fun for a lot of people, nothing wrong with that.

Well actually George should have been there this week in place of Jasmine. Rumor has it that less then 200 votes separated George/Jasmine with George leading. The producers held a behind closed door meeting and decided to send George home becasue haing Jasmine on would create more controversy which in fact what do we have MORE CONTROVERSY..........

Really? That's weird, the rumor I heard was that George drives a HYUNDAI and the producers had to come up with the 200 vote/secret meeting rumor because there was no way they could allow someone so obviously "anti-American Idol" to advance to the final four. I just don't know what to believe anymore.

You are so correct. It's unfortunate that this show is taking such a nose dive this year. They will need to correct or change the voting or next year may be the last year. The public, as with many of us as individuals, will only take so much BS before we say ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. No one likes to be treated as if we are STUPID yet FOX continues to give us crazy results and expect us (the public) to swallow the crap. We saw this coming in season one when Tamrya left and Nikki stayed, Now twice this season....

Screw me once, shame on you
Screw me twice, shame on me
Screw me three time, NEVER!!!

The final two will determine if AI remains in my reality show repertiore. With crap like this going on, Bring back Paradise Hotel to complete my BS time.

This must have been mentioned before, but I didn't see it, so here goes.

After voting last season, one thing became clear to me: the results are random at this point. There are so few contestants and so many voters and not enough phone lines. The lines are always busy. This means that everyone will get as many votes as the phone lines can record. The winners and losers are determined by the people who get luckiest on getting their voters through.

Where there is this much smoke of discontent there has to be a fire. It occurred to me and probably you too that if you also watch Survivor and when people were voting for the "second million dollar winner" that some people had set up websites for some of these people that would automatically continue to vote. I was wondering if such a scam is taking place here. It is too suspicious not to have some sort of fire of deception happening to the voting. I know I am done with this season and next if the voting rules dont change. Any thoughts?

"I know I am done with this season and next if the voting rules don't change."

I could not agree with you more. There is a fire burning. Black-out curtains are up and no one notices the smoke.

I am soooo done with this show! We are henceforth looking to spend our Tuesday and Wednesday nights preparing descriptions of scenic views that will be transcribed for people who actually cannot see.

You are so right, except that when the voters in Hawaii get there chance to vote 5 or 6 hours after everyone else, there are not near as many people trying to get in, so their votes get in much more often, which could skew the vote in Jasmins's favor.

Thus Jasmine could get more votes even though the other contestants had more people try to vote for them. They just got many more busy signals.

To fix this problem, assuming they keep the same voting system, they need to allow much more time to vote or greatly increase the number of voting lines to cut down on the amount of busy signals.

Good observation about Hawaii. Anyone in Hawaii notice that you actually get through when you call?

I agree you are right.They are voteing either because they like the song they are singing or because of there looks. Hawaii needs to get over the fact that Jasmine can't sing. I mean she has a good range but she can't sing. I agree I do think she is pretty yet I think it is not fair.

Can you help me PLEASE? I have posted on this thread like twice and I had originally clicked on the bottom where it says to click here if you want to receive email when a new msg. is posted to the thread...but NOW I do not want to receive anymore emails. HOW DO I CANCEL THAT ACTION so it stops emailing me? DOES ANYONE KNOW? thank you all very much for helping!

I believe you are just going to have to wait it out. I don't think you can cancel it. You'll have to wait until this thread dies out.

are you kidding? it may not die out til the show has been over for a long time because it's about boycotting the show. DRAT! Hey, people....maybe we can stop responding to this thread??? Can we start a different one?

Laura