Giving money away to another team is extremly DUMB!!!I give R/A and R/D teams props for not falling for it,(even though i really dislike Ray and happy that his ignorant, abusive, idiotic, whiny azz is out of the race.)
But let's get back to the money issue. First of all it's a race and a game - why in the world would you help your competition. They are not in any mortal danger - why is all this necessary. It's nobody's fault but old couple's for coming last. They should be extremly happy that they are still in the race. It's the price you have to pay. I would be happy to drop all of my stuff on the spot just to stay in the race, but i would not even dare to get a nerve to around asking other teams for money. Beg from the locals if you must, but don't put other teams in the position where they feel like they have to give you money out of guilt. Bravo to Romber and the azz-hole with his submisive girl for not falling for that!
P.S. - Giving them a clean shirt and shorts to wear is completely different - that i have no problem with if you have close to spare. Money is just to valuable for the game.
P.S. - Giving them a clean shirt and shorts to wear is completely different - that i have no problem with if you have close to spare. Money is just to valuable for the game.Giving them spare clothes is a great idea, I wouldn't want to have to be around people who've been wearing the same clothes for who knows how long.
may have been because they were in a desperately poor area and they felt ashamed about askign for money in the midst of starving people. Not good racing, but I can see their point.I don't think giving M&G a few dollars would have been so bad. Firsty, M&G got walloped w/ penalties, so they are not likely to recover too fast. Add the fact that they probably have no chance of beating you in the physical side and finally, that neither R&D or R&A are well liked, this may have sown some good will for them. Ray may have come off as lot less ageist if he'd helped them
don't think giving M&G a few dollars would have been so bad. Firsty, M&G got walloped w/ penalties, so they are not likely to recover too fast.I've to say that this statement is dumb considering what we've already seen. The way I saw the show:
1. They didn't get any money that leg of the race but none of the racers have to pay for plane tickets out of the money they're given for a leg. Don't believe try buying a plane ticket anywhere walk-up and tell me if you can get an international flight for a couple hundred bucks.
2. None of the tasks they had to complete immediately after being stripped of their money seemed to require an overabundance of cash other than maybe gas.
3. It would suck to have to wear the same clothes and not have some of the other tools that might have been in their backpacks, but that could also possibly be an advantage strange as it might seem
. Sure, they'll stink but they also wont have to endure the physical strain of the bags either which for certain tasks the racers may be required to carry at all times. 4. This is the most important considering your statement and the fact that it was posted a day AFTER the show aired. With the exception of not having their clothes, they HAVE recovered and weren't even involved in the footrace to determine who went home on tuesday. I give them extreme credit especially considering their age but they're not exactly barely hanging on there.
What if you want to be supportive, but you can't stand listening to people bitch ~Edie
Just as a courtesy, don't call other people's opinions dumb, okay? It tends to bring out the defensiveMeredith and Gretchen placed well in the bottom half of the leg. They're not bottom feeders, but they're not smoking the competition either. And they needed money for the shuttle and they're out in the middle of freaking nowhere, so even with a few dollars from each team, they would be at significant disadvantage if they came into something that needed money. Added to that, they're in a desert, with no food from their packs and very limited money to buy water. Even in their heyday, M&G never did better than 5th, so with the added disadvantages...
Wasn't really trying to trounce your opinion but you say that they're not likely to recover when despite all that was taken from them, they still finished better than two teams. We're down to what six teams and they're still in it. Doesn't appear that they're suffering too much. At least not at this point.Now in the future that could definitely be a different story, but your statement made them look like they were just hung out there to dry and barely made the cut this last trip when they're right in the thick of it. More so than R/D or the brothers for sure.
What if you want to be supportive but you can't stand listening to people bitch ~Edie
Libra gave the only reason it might be smart to help M/G out.Meredith/Gretchen are the least physical team left out there. If it came down to a foot race at the end, who would you rather be against? Them or Brian/Greg? It might not be a bad idea to give a boost to your weaker competitors in the hopes a stronger competitor gets eliminated by a mistake.
Otherwise, dumb idea. And they don't need to worry about this putting a target on their back for a Yield. There's an aircraft carrier sized target there already, and has been since the beginning.
And we don't know for sure that R & A didn't (or won't) loan them some clothes, just that U & J did.
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You know what would make better television than what was already a great episode? Meredith and Gretchen offer the bros a ride in exchange of money.Not sure hitching a ride with another team is within game rules though.
On this show Money = Power.And I'm sure Ray happily educated everyone at Loser Lodge about that concept.
I agree.Romber is not going to help others beat them. And they don't expect anyone else to help them either.
I agree but for different reasons. As is stated Meredith/ Gretchen are a weak team giving them money is like giving it away since there is a good chance of them finishing last anyway.
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This is the equivalent of Hershey's asking Nestle for a loan. Stupid.Giving money to another team? Stupid. As stupid as that is, though, I found it very distasteful, manipulative, and reprehensible of Gretchen and Meredith to even ask their teammates for a dime. Some people - like me, for instance - would help for fear of karma and bad vibes all around. I would have helped if asked, not out of caring, but out of fear. For that reason, I am repulsed by their shameless attempt to extort from their competitors.
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i she be your girlfriend
Are there no Christians in this group? Everyone seems to talk about karma, and wanting to help people so that you can get something back. What happened to just being nice because we are called to "love your neighbour as yourself" and "do unto others as you would have them do unto you".I agree - I would be a lousy Racer, because I find it hard to separate my beliefs from the game. I would have given M/G a little bit of help because I truly believe it's the right thing to do. I will refrain from judging those who chose not to help because they think it's bad gameplay, but I take offence that players who DO choose to help are labelled as being "stupid". I don't see it as stupidity - just nice-ness.
I agree watermelon
I am a Christian, and I would not have given them any money.And you can even look at it as cheating to GIVE them money. After all, the penalty for coming in last in that leg was to lose all of your money and stuff, so by giving them money and stuff the other racers are helping them circumvent the rules.
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A holier-than-thou attitude isn't going to play well here, I can guarantee you.
I'm not trying to be holier-than-thou. That's why I said I wasn't judging those who choose not to give money because they feel it's bad gameplay. That's why I agree that I'd be a lousy Racer coz I find it hard to separate my beliefs from playing the game, and I agree that good gameplay would conflict with these beliefs.What I'm saying is, if *I* were on the Race and I chose to give money, I would be offended that people would label me as "stupid". And no, I don't look on it as cheating to give them money... the rules doesn't say "you can get money from other racers" obviously, otherwise they would be penalised already - so no, it's not cheating. I don't know why people can't see an act of generosity for what it truly is - just plain and simple nice-ness, not stupid or cheating.
I agree - I would be a lousy Racer, because I find it hard to separate my beliefs from the game.When I went to church, people were allowed to play games. I recall with great fondness a lock-in where we had a Monopoly "play-off" until the wee hours of the morning. No one was allowed to get an eliminated player's properties and assets for free, because, well, that's just not how you play the game.
I also recall another time when we played dodge-ball. I am fairly certain I recall one of the central tenets of Christianity being not to hurt other people, but being pegged with a dodgeball wasn't considered a violation of God's law.
In the context of this game, giving away your money to another team is ridiculous. Christianity should spill over into every aspect of your life, certainly, if you are a devout, practicing Christian, otherwise you are a hypocrite. Okay, while I can buy that logic, I find it really hard to draw a parallel between living a Christian life and competing in a race.
You mean to tell me that your God would cast you out from Heaven if you didn't help a competitor get ahead in a TV game show?
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Interesting point Femme.
I wonder what would happen if they had reality shows with nothing but Christians. Would the people still act Christ like? Would they play the game but still add the "what would Jesus do" factor into the equation? Would be a nice show to watch.
We already saw this. It was called Brandon and Nicole. And if I remember correctly, they were raked over the coals for being slightly devious but at the same time wearing their Christianity on their sleeve.Christians do not, BTW, have a monopoly on morality.
How did we get on this, anyway?
I never saw the Brandon/Nicole series so can't comment.And I agree - there are lots of GREAT non-Christians around who are more moral than Christians. I'm sorry for starting up this thread, and sorry if I sound like I'm bashing non-Christians or trying to be holier than thou. I was just a bit annoyed that someone's act of generosity was seen as stupidity/trying to buy good karma.
B/G have been shown to pray, so I believe they have some sort of Christian faith. To me, their generosity was just a reflection of their morality, not "playing a stupid game", and I just wanted to point out, that for them, maybe the giving money was about being nice and they should be applauded for it and not vilified as being stupid. And the karma thing... if you're Christian, you don't believe in karma. I was trying to say, maybe they were being generous because that's the Christian thing to do - I don't think they expected something in return.
Am I making better sense now?
maybe the giving money was about being nice and they should be applauded for it and not vilified as being stupid.But bashing them for doing something stupid is more fun.
And just because they have good intentions and Christian values behiund what they did, doesn't make it less stupid in game terms.
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And just because they have good intentions and Christian values behiund what they did, doesn't make it less stupid in game terms.Ding ding ding! We have a winner!
"Nice" could get you Philiminated.
Obviously you don't know the basic principles of Christian doctrine - you don't get cast out of Heaven for not helping another competitor to get ahead, you get cast out of Heaven for not having faith in Jesus Christ and believing that He died for our salvation. Helping someone else out is just a way of saying, "I believe in Jesus and because I love God, I want to try and live a life like Jesus" - has no actual bearing on getting to Heaven.Your examples about Monopoly and dodgeball are completely different from TAR. Of course you can't get an eliminated player's property in Monopoly if that's the rules that were set out from the beginning. Of course in sports, you expect to get hurt at times, but it doesn't mean that you broke God's law about trying not to hurt others. (well, that's is if the hurting was accidental and not someone deliberately lobbing the ball at another player) In TAR, the rules are very loose... there's no rule that says "you're not allowed to help another team or give them money". If there is - sure, you need to play by the rules. But as I understand it, the money given to them is theirs to use however they see fit - so if they wanna help another team, go right ahead. Stupid gameplay? Perhaps yes, I agree... but a nice and generous act nonetheless. As said above, I'm not trying to say EVERYONE has to be generous - I just wish that when people ARE generous, others see it for what it is, an act of generosity, and not "stupidity" or "trying to buy good karma". (Well, for some people, they might be trying to buy good karma, but in the case of U/J and B/G, I don't think that was their motive - I think they were truly just being nice. Whether or not they're Christian, doesn't matter... lots of non-Christians are very nice too)
Obviously you don't know the basic principles of Christian doctrineIn another thread, I think I remember you saying that English wasn't your first language, so you may not have a complete grasp on the concept of sarcasm. Cuz that's what Femme was using there.
Stupid gameplay? Perhaps yes, I agree... but a nice and generous act nonetheless.
AH HA!! See, that's the point right there. Nobody is saying that it wasn't a nice and generous act. What we're saying is that it's stupid gameplay. Those two are not mutually exclusive. The Happy Boys stopping at the wreck was a nice, generous act. It was also stupid gameplay.
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Uh oh, i think this racer would have to stop at a church for service on his way to the next clue. OO what about saying grace before downing those four pounds of Argentinian BBQ?
Well, if I was on the Race (and I doubt it coz I'm a goody-two-shoes so would be incredibly boring! Plus, I'm not even American) I'd be ok missing Church but I'd carry my Bible with me so can still pray/read on my own. That's what I do when I travel anyway. Going to Church is not what gets you into Heaven after all... it's your faith and how you live your life in general. But I would absolutely say grace before any of the food challenges! It doesn't take more than a minute anyway.As Libra said above... this is sooooooooooooo off topic now. I'm sorry once again for coming off as holier-than-thou, but I hope you can all see my point now (see above posts). I really don't wanna say anymore on the topic coz I can see some people were getting irritated, but if you wanna rebutt my statements, I might have to reply to yours too!
<but why make their life easy?True, and probably smart gameplay.
However, if I were a racer I'd probably donate a small amount, just to salve my own conscience. It's a "there but for the grace of God" thing.
BUT...........if I disliked a team, I could easily say, "Nope. Ain't a gonna do it. Now go away."
Now how's that for a selective practice of the Golden Rule?
Everyone is entitled to my opinion.
I was wondering, how often do other contestants give racers money when they are stripped of funds due to coming in last on a non-elimination leg? I don't think I've seen it often, and the ones that I do remember seeing are primarily when an older team have their money taken from them. Other younger teams always have to go begging from tourists or natives.Does this happen only because the country that they are in are poor or is it some sort of 'respect' for the elderly that automatically makes people want to donate? Just curious. : )