LAST EDITED ON 03-29-15 AT 08:40 AM (EST)

I agree!

Sometimes the instinctively 'maternal' members of a group are not only not old, they are sometimes also not women:

Hali is - like Danni, JT, Cirie, Sophie, Danny (GC), Alexis, Jimmy (Johnson), Sandy, Rita, David (Murphy), Benry, Jaime and Josh - a Cancer.

And, of course, the 'maternal' instinct is not always selfless. Or benign. Or eternally welcome.

Shirin is - like Sugar, Bob, Gillian, Brian (Heidik), Jason, Ibrehem, Anthony, Misty, Jonathan (Penner), Yve, Alina, Phillip, Ciera and Woo - a Pisces:

Intuitively responsive to a nurturing hand but sometimes also quite capable of nipping the hand that nurtures ...

G

Note: Carolyn is a Libra. Sometimes conciliatory. Sometimes diplomatic. Always manipulative. Usually judgemental. Often more nagging conscience than soothing comfort.

I was reading through the social media posts here at this site. I recall a post saying Tyler, Sierra, & Mike were visiting Dan's home in Maine. If they're going out of the way to do that, me thinks they bonded in jury. For that to happen, I would speculate that Hali, Jenn, Carolyn, Joe, and Will - along with the free agents of Rodney and Tyler would take out the blue collar 5.

thanks Agman!

As p1ssed off as Rodney was over Joaquin getting axed, I find it a little difficult to believe that he won't become obnoxious enough to get himself axed. There may be some others planning to use him as a finals goat, but I would not be shocked that enough people got sick of him in the next episode or 2 to boot him instead.

I don't think Carolyn and Tyler are working with the No Collar four at all and they know they are dangerous because three are younger. I can see Carolyn and Tyler working deals and making a alliance with Mike because one, those three are older and a little bit more wiser to the game. I mean Jenn and crew basically teamed up against the older people on No Collar. It was almost like the pretty people alliance on Caramoan or Ozzy's two original four person alliances on Micronesia and South Pacific. And Micro had someone named Cirie who infiltrated that and SoPa had Jim that wanted Elyse out as Ozzy's main ally to give Jim a f4 opening(Cochran took care of that though).

What?

On Caramoan there was an alliance of Reynold, Eddie, Hope, and Ally and that annoyed Sherri and Laura. On SoPa there was an alliance of Ozzy, Keith, Whitney, Elyse and while he was a fifth it annoyed Jim. And he worked with Cochran, Dawn, Keith, and Whitney to vote Elyse out. And now I learn hearing him on RHAP he planned to get Ozzy out. In Micronesia there was an alliance with Ozzy, Amanda, Parvati, and James and the swap split them up and Cirie got in with the women and got Parvati to vote Ozzy out.

When an alliance of Joe, Jenn, and Hali is that obvious someone is gonna figure something out and realize they cannot coast to the end. And the blue collar side is easier to break up. Mike, Kelly, and Dan are not so solid. Mike can turn on Dan, he's not his main ally. Sierra has no allegiance to any of them and neither does Rodney. So when it comes down to them, Sierra and Rodney will be battling with the other three for Tyler and Carolyn's allegiance. And if they chose Mike, Kelly, and Dan, Carolyn has the idol she can play at the perfect time to get rid of Dan or maybe Kelly if she has to. Considering Carolyn many times has been considered in exit interviews to be a smart player, she should be able to figure this out that the bc route is better than the nc route.

And based on that first vote, I was indeed spot on. NC was targeted but idol saved them.

Now the person to watch out for is Rodney but I think Dan will end up being a scapegoat to get out and that will force Mike to I believe play a role of kiss-up.

Rodney isn't anybody to watch out for. He's another d-bag who thinks his sh1t doesn't stink and the rest of the cast owes him an unimpeded path to the win. Can't wait to hear his rat and snake speech when he's serving on the jury at the final TC. WAAAAAH!!!!!

LAST EDITED ON 04-02-15 AT 07:31 AM (EST)

Outsider,

Watching the show last night, I just knew that I'd read the script earlier... somewhere.

Congratulations!

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Good call Outsider32!! Now the real question for me is whether Jenn just got lucky when she played her idol or whether she suspected she was the target. And if she did suspect she was the target, was it because Will told her they were going for her since he thought they were actually going for Hali (and thus his vote.) Now Will knows he was lied to and his former NoCollars tribemates know they can't trust him and that Tyler and Caroline went with Blues. It will be interesting to see what Jenn/Joe/Hali/Shirin do next. Can they exploit this knowledge or not.

Outsider: What you say above makes absolutely no sense to me. When you weigh the two sides, 2 girls and Joe look far easier to beat in the long run than the BC's. And, as you note, Carolyn has an idol as well.

Joe is not going to win every immunity challenge from here on out.

Bogus.

Its not easier to go with NC, especially with a tight three like that. Rodney also already went to Carolyn and unveiled his final four plan to her making it obvious the blues were not tight.

I wasn't questioning your plan, just your syntax.

The big question re the White Collars is whether Carolyn can put the past behind her and ally with Shirin. Shirin has few options, without a lifeline from Carolyn she aligns with the No Collars.

Listened to RHAP this AM and Kelly was interviewed. Shirin has told us in an EW interview that she and Hali and Jenn had an agreement to take out Kelly next. Well, Kelly says that she was aligned with Carolyn and Will on the old Nagarote. So, Joe would have been a swing vote.

That's why Carolyn probably went with Kelly and Will to join BC, Mike and Rodney. Kelly said that Carolyn knew Kelly had Mike in her back pocket and Kelly knew that Carolyn had Tyler.

Now that Kelly is gone, will anything change? Carolyn had more options with the BC's. Will she weasel into Mike's good graces? Apparently Rodney is working hard to keep Will with him.

I don't think anything will change. I would think Carolyn is working with blue collar because of the age difference. If Rodney can keep Will in the fold, I suspect the days are numbered for Joe, Jenn, & Hali.

If Rodney can keep Will in the fold, I suspect the days are numbered for Joe, Jenn, & Hali.

Will has already burned his No-Collar bridges, he will stay with anyone who will keep him. And with Rodney ACTIVELY pursuing Will and keeping him in the loop, then YES, Rodney will keep Will. Will's game, at this moment depends on staying with Rodney.
BUT, while that does speak of some bad times ahead for J/J/H, that actually ALL hinges on Rodney staying with BC.

And THAT, to me, since I know he hangs with Joaquin and NOT Mike, Sierra, Dan, Jenn, Joe and Hali, makes me think Rodney doesn't make it much farther at all.

Conversely, the other side of my brain says... large groups of folks taking selfies together? That seems like Jury behavior.
And if Dan, Mike, Sierra, Jenn, Joe and Hali are 6 of the eight jurors, that leaves... *shiver*

Carolyn, Rodney and Will F3? Someone please talk me off this branch!

At least it would be a slam dunk for Carolyn!!

I keep on going back to the boner that Jeff has for this season and figure that a guy must win, specifically Mike or Joe, maybe Tyler. Carolyn, Tyler, Will, Rodney F4? But there was such a lack of development at the White camp pre-merge that I doubt they make it to the end.

I'm rooting for the underdogs though and hope the swingers swing red this week.

Just bumping this to talk a little about the dynamics in the merged tribe. Right now, there are nine remaining Survivors. If Mike is going to make a move to break up his huge alliance, this is the week to do it. You never want to do it with an even number of Survivors, and if he waits til seven, he won't have the numbers, as the likely boots of Jenn and Shirin will be gone.

Mike's best move is for him to get Dan and Sierra to agree to pulling in Shirin and Jenn and targeting one of Rodney, Tyler, Carolyn and Will. (Hopefully Rodney, through strategically, I'd boot Tyler instead.)

The other way I can see this playing out is Jenn gets booted next, Shirin wins immunity at eight remaining players, most vote for Mike but he idols out Rodney (or someone else). Then at seven, Dan, Mike, Sierra and Shirin take over the game.

I suppose I am working from the belief that Mike makes it to the end based on editing and if he's not in the final 3, then all of this is bunk.

Don't forget that Carolyn has an HII.

Speaking of Mike's HII, the opening recap of the previous Ep stated words to the effect that after Joe got the clue at the reward, he tried to find the idol but Mike "beat him to it". So are we supposed to think the idol Mike found is the merge idol? It sure looked like the blue Escameca idol to me, though Georganna posits that the specifics of where Mike found it have a vague correlation to what was in Joe's clue. I can't believe they wouldn't use a purple idol as the merge idol.

Unless they trotted out the Buff-o-Matic to change the color. (If I were really cynical, I'd say that it's actually the Escameca idol, but production decides to pretend it's the merge idol because they want Mike to win.)

Ideally the others should all see that they need to get rid of Mike pronto or else...

So if Carolyn plays her idol and idols out Dan or Rodney if Dan plays his advantage, can she trust Mike to take her to the end? Mike can beat anyone in FTC but the thing is at F4 if Mike does not win that immunity he is gone. And he probably stands a better chance at winning it without Carolyn there.

With Carolyn on the ballot two things stick out at me.

1.She wins f4 immunity and makes the mistake of taking Mike to the end with her and Sierra. Thus earning her second chances bid.

2.Mike takes her out at f5 because the advantage forced her hand a week too early. Thus earning her second chances bid.