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"S28 | Ep03 | VidCap Analysis *No Sources* "

Posted by tribephyl on 03-06-14 at 04:45 AM
Here is the thread to deposit and discuss this week's vidcaps.

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"Post Show Promo"
Posted by tribephyl on 03-06-14 at 04:47 AM
Jeff Probst: Next time on Survivor...
Sarah <talking to Woo>: We can easily throw this.
Probst: The Brawn tribe is looking to blindside one of their own.
Sarah <talking to Woo>: So, let's just throw it today. Let's get him out.
Probst: And one challenge leaves everyone a little banged up.
<various blindfolded players running into obstacles and hurting themselves>
Probst: That's gonna leave a mark!

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"RE: Post Show Promo"
Posted by Flowerpower1 on 03-06-14 at 08:11 AM
This Challenge is seriously going to hurt, the guys! OUCH, boy it looks incredibly painful. I hope they are all done fathering children...

So, who is Sarah ready to get out. Woo may say ok, but his face sure doesn't say it...I wonder if they will not throw it? Tony looks like he's dragging Lindsay through the course.

I also get a heavy misdirection vibe from the promo. While they appear to be on the same page of "getting him out", I fear their plan will be foiled, somehow, someway.

The tribes have divided their teams as such:

The non-blindfolded caller from the top of the tower:
Brawn: Cliff
Beauty: Morgan
Brains: Tasha

The blindfolded pulley operator:
Brawn: ?Trish,
Beauty: Jeremiah
Brains: J'Tia

Blindfolded teams collecting the bundles:
Brawn: Tony and Lindsay
Beauty: LJ and Jefra
Brains: Spencer and Kass

At one point Tony is wandering by himself, I wonder if Lindsay will let him wander?


"RE: Post Show Promo"
Posted by Brownroach on 03-06-14 at 12:49 PM
This is a hard challenge to deliberate throw, unless you are the caller (and then it would be pretty obvious). With Cliff ensconced as caller it must be Tony that Sarah wants to get rid of.

I don't think they will throw it but they may ironically lose anyway.


"RE: Post Show Promo"
Posted by kingfish on 03-06-14 at 04:03 PM
If you're talking (referring about Tony's wandering) about the first few pics, He's near his spyshack, so he's probably gathering Intell (what an idiot).



Tribe strikes again


"RE: Post Show Promo"
Posted by Brownroach on 03-06-14 at 05:08 PM
LAST EDITED ON 03-06-14 AT 05:09 PM (EST)

I think FloPo means caps 12 and 13, where he's flailing around during the challenge without Lindsay (his partner) seeming to be nearby.


"RE: Post Show Promo"
Posted by Brownroach on 03-06-14 at 05:18 PM
If Trish is Brawn's pulley operator, then Sarah and Woo -- the two people we saw discuss throwing it -- are sitting out. Is that part of their plan: to not actively help?

"RE: Post Show Promo"
Posted by Flowerpower1 on 03-06-14 at 09:44 PM
Hey BR, I think the blindfolded challenge is going to be a Reward Challenge. Per the misdirection clues, there is going to be 2 challenges this episode. Someone is going to have a meltdown at the RC, and perhaps this will mark the end of one "struggling" castaway...

"RE: Post Show Promo"
Posted by Brownroach on 03-07-14 at 00:41 AM
I just saw your thread with the new teasers. So, I'm becoming convinced that the challenge-throw idea comes to naught.

First and foremost, Woo, whom we see Sarah approaching about the idea, doesn't seem at all the type to go along with it. And while Sarah may be upset with Tony for lying to her, her tribemates may just not see it as that big a deal if he's pulling his weight in general. Of course, it could still be Cliff that Sarah is referring to, but either way I have a feeling that she won't attract any comers.

The "struggling" castaway I suspect is Jtia. So while Tasha may appear to be "melting down" in the caps, it may be because Jtia has f-ed up yet again. So I think Jtia is in the most trouble.


"RC Challenge"
Posted by tribephyl on 03-07-14 at 00:20 AM
There will be 2 challenges in this episode.
The challenge caps so far are from the Reward Challenge.

The RC is named "Haulin' Oats" by production. And while originally planned for 5 on each tribe, it is apparently being run with 4 per tribe.

No immunty idols present.
Sarah and Woo are sitting out for Aparri and Morgan is sitting out for Solana.
FP has already called the players/positions.
Also notice the 3 'Fish Traps' by Aparri's first "fence".

3 types of items ('Oat Bag' 'Fish Trap' and 'Grass Bale') grouped together in 6 different areas around the 'field'.
(from the dreamteam)

The tribe's are free to choose in what order they get their items, so where there is a pile of items, no one has gone there.
Whereas if only 1 item remains (or none) than someone is behind.

Here is Tony and Lindsey with the Aparri 'Oat Bag'

Notice Luzon's 'Oat Bag' in the bottom right corner.


Here is LJ and Alexis with a 'Fish Trap'

Notice Aparri's 'Fish Trap' behind them. (and Luzon's is gone.)

Nothing to tell us really (as a shot of a caller's tower later on in the game would be more telling) other than these 2 caps above are both from a tad later in the game.

Regardless of who wins, what this Reward challenge will do is set up for...'a meltdown at a reward challenge could mark the end for one struggling castaway'

Does this look like a meltdown?...


"RE: RC Challenge"
Posted by tribephyl on 03-07-14 at 00:55 AM
ask and ye shall receive...

Solana with 1 'Fish Trap' and 1 'Grass Bale' on the way.

Here is Aparri with 2 'Fish Traps' and 1 'Grass Bale' in the tower while the 2nd 'Grass Bale' falls of the elevator.

Notice also, 1 of their 'Oat Bags' in the bottom right.

And here is Luzon with 2 "Grass Bales", 2 'Fish Traps' and 1 "Oat Bag" and 1 more 'Oat Bag' about to be hauled in.

Luzon for RC win.
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Aparri already won, but Luzon comes in 2nd.
Either way, I think Solana loses the RC.


"Chickens for Reward"
Posted by tribephyl on 03-07-14 at 01:05 AM
Top center. *bawk*balk*

"RE: Chickens for Reward"
Posted by Flowerpower1 on 03-07-14 at 07:16 PM
And, there is a bag of something next to the chickens....a bag of rice perhaps? Or could be a bag of chicken feed?

"Press Images"
Posted by tribephyl on 03-07-14 at 00:43 AM
Lot's of good ones here
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"RE: Press Images"
Posted by Flowerpower1 on 03-07-14 at 12:31 PM
Now this is a time when we could use the time stamps from the press images. Does anyone know where they are located? I went to CBSexpress.com and found the press images, but no idea how to get time stamps.

First thing that stands out is that Cliff is not shooting for his tribe in the IC? WOOOOT? Maybe they are going to throw it?

I agree with Tribephyl regarding the RC. I think that the Brains are actually doing better than the Beauty's. Brawn has probably flown through it, even with their mishap of the fallen elevator with the hay...

This picture...

Body language says that they are miserable with each other.


"RE: Press Images"
Posted by Flowerpower1 on 03-07-14 at 01:22 PM
Okay, I went to Sucks and courtesy of Kona, got the time stamps:

According to Kona, the RC is day 9, July 19


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Kona ends the post with : All Brawn camp shots are Day 9, same day as the RC.

Another thing to note:

The cage of chickens behind Alexis at camp...Beauty wins?, Brains second? Brawn losers?


Then for the IC shots: Day 11, July 21


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*Kona did not mention if the camp shots at Beauty's and Brains are also Day 9, same day as the RC. I have asked him so I will let you know.



"RE: Press Images"
Posted by kingfish on 03-07-14 at 02:14 PM
10:43 Jeff blabbing on and on with explanations. Blah Blah Blah Blah.

11:03 Brawn deciding who does what

11:05 Get ready, get set....(no balls in Beauty's or Brawn's baskets, two in Brain's. ?)

11:08 Beauty has been in water (rotating who retrieves misses, I guess). No ball in basket in 1st 11:08 shot, but two shown in second 11:08. Some fast shooting and retrieving going on.

11:10 Three balls in Beauty's basket. One in the air. So four in all for each?

At 11:09 there no balls in anyone’s hoops, and everyone has balls in their baskets. Three minutes later, at 11:12 Two (at least) are shown in Brain's hoop. So they are ahead? But J"Tia's expression is one of having lost. Maybe she's just struggling with the water like she did in the earlier water event.


"IC"
Posted by tribephyl on 03-07-14 at 04:26 PM
Start: JP intros

Empty baskets. Empty hoops.

On your marks:

(Tony/Lindsey sit-out for Aparri, Alexis sit-out for Solana)
Empty baskets. Empty hoops.

Solana off to an early lead:

3 minutes later we have shots of Jeremiah throwing a ball towards the hoop and at least 1 other ball in the basket.
We also have Aparri with 2 balls in their basket.

Aparri lags behind:

It's hard to tell but 1 minute later it appears as if Aparri still has 2 balls in their basket and cliff is swimming back (possibly with 3rd ball).
Solana has 3 balls in their basket and Jeremiah is throwing a ball towards their hoop. LJ and Jefra are swimming for post throw ball retrieval.
Luzon looks to have 2 (or 3) balls in their basket and Spencer is returning with the 3rd (or 4th) ball.

Luzon closes the gap:
1 minute later...

Spencer is tossing the 4th ball towards the hoop. 3 balls in basket.

1 minute later...

Spencer tossing ball #3. 1 ball remains in basket.

1 minute later...

Luzon has AT LEAST 2 balls in their hoop.

I do believe that with Woo and Sarah participating in the IC, their plan to fail on purpose may just indeed work.


"RE: Press Images"
Posted by Sheldor on 03-08-14 at 01:52 AM
THANKS tribephyl!!!


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(but I also noticed some "missing" ones. I dunno what happened to 36 through 38. This was how they were loaded up at SF though. it's her own numbering system.)"


There are only 51 CBS Press Images for "Our Time to Shine"

Survivor Fever's Press Images are numbered 01-55 (with 36-38 not posted).

So there are 4 extra photos in Survivor Fever's numbering.

#1 and #35 posted above are identical images!

#2-#4 are identical to #36-#38 (which are not posted on Survivor Fever's page)


1 and 35 are Identical (1033489_D17561b.JPG)


2 and 36 are Identical
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3 and 37 are Identical
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4 and 38 are Identical
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"Thanks and..."
Posted by tribephyl on 03-08-14 at 03:08 AM
Thanks Shel!
I wasn't keeping me awake at night but it's always nice to figure it all out. I appreciate your sleuthing.

Oh and I had these lying around.
I don't know if you're a siggie wearer but just in case...



"Web Promo"
Posted by tribephyl on 03-09-14 at 02:30 AM
Transcript:
Announcer: Wednesday, three tribes battling for survival.
Tony <yelling at Lindsey during Reward Challenge>: To your right.
Jeff Probst: That's gonna leave a mark.
Announcer: How far will one tribe go...
Sarah <camera confessional>: I wanna throw a challenge.
Announcer: To eliminate a threat.
Trish <talking to Sarah>: I've never thrown anything but I could do it.
Sarah: It's time.
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"RE: Web Promo"
Posted by michel2 on 03-09-14 at 11:34 AM
Now that we know Woo is on board, it certainly looks like Tony is the target.

"RE: Web Promo"
Posted by Brownroach on 03-09-14 at 12:46 PM
And they conveniently show Tony during the reward challenge immediately before that. I didn't think Woo would be on board for a challenge throw, but apparently so...

I think Brawn must lose and go to TC but their plan backfires somehow, otherwise they wouldn't be making it look so much like a done deal in all the promos. Tony may get wind of it (thanks to his "spy shack"?) and use his HII at TC -- or, he may make it known that he has an HII, forcing them to target someone else. I don't think Tony is leaving.


"RE: Web Promo"
Posted by Flowerpower1 on 03-09-14 at 02:24 PM

First of all the promos tell us that Sarah wants to throw the challenge to get "him" out. This has got to refer to Cliff. We were just hit over the head with how happy she is about the blue blood alliance. Sarah and Cliff are bound.

Then, in the misdirection clues, one tribe considers "benching" one of their strongest members...again this is Cliff.

But, I think this is misdirection, I am starting to think that it will be the struggling tribe member at the RC that may have a meltdown, Lindsay.


"RE: Web Promo"
Posted by Brownroach on 03-11-14 at 01:08 AM
It may well be Cliff, not Tony, that Sarah wants to get rid of. But I feel that either way, the target of the thrown challenge will not be the one going home.

I do suspect that Lindsey could ultimately be the boot, but I don't think she is the struggling castaway that has a meltdown. That would mean both of the misdirection clues concern Brawn, which is not typical of the teasers. I think the meltdowner is more likely J'Tia.


"RE: Web Promo"
Posted by Flowerpower1 on 03-11-14 at 08:45 PM
LAST EDITED ON 03-11-14 AT 08:49 PM (EST)

I do suspect that Lindsey could ultimately be the boot, but I don't think she is the struggling castaway that has a meltdown. That would mean both of the misdirection clues concern Brawn, which is not typical of the teasers. I think the meltdowner is more likely J'Tia.

Bingo, BR. I have been thinking all along as you have. Most likely the Brawn try to lose the challenge, but something goes wrong and they do not boot Cliff or they don't get the chance to because we know eventually that Cliff gets up to throw for baskets. He's a pro, and that's a wide rim. Will Cliff outperform in the challenge thus leaving the Brains to go back to TC? We see that J'Tia is giving up on collecting missed shots...

You said you think that the "meltdowner" is J'Tia. If the brains go back to TC and J'Tia is the one that sends them there, while Spencer is indispensible, then J'Tia is the meltdowner that is our boot story. Just sayin' it fits with the misdirection clues.

Food for thought.


"S28E03 Our Time To Shine (Preview) "
Posted by Sheldor on 03-10-14 at 10:25 PM
Survivor: Cagayan - Our Time To Shine (Preview)
http://www.survivorfever.net/vc_s28_wp_ep3.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJSuQu6ey3c

Transcript:

Announcer: Wednesday...

Jeff Probst <starting Reward Challenge>: Go!

Announcer: ...three tribes, Brawn versus Brains versus Beauty, battling for survival.

Cliff <direction Lindsey and Tony in blindfold challenge>: To your right, to your right!

Jeff Probst: That's gonna leave a mark.

Announcer: How far will one tribe go...

Sarah <camera confessional>: I wanna throw a challenge.

Announcer: To eliminate...

Sarah: We can easily throw this. Let's get him out.

Announcer: ...a threat?

Trish <talking to Sarah>: I've never thrown anything but I could do it.

Sarah: It's time.

Woo: Hey, let's pound on it.

Sarah <camera confessional>: You mess with me, I'll mess with you. Way worse.

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"S28E03 Challenge Preview: Octopus Garden "
Posted by Sheldor on 03-10-14 at 10:30 PM
Survivor: Cagayan - Challenge Preview: Octopus Garden
http://www.survivorfever.net/vc_s28_challenge_ep3.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8aHceqA_J0

Transcript:

John Kirhoffer: This challenge is Octopus's Garden. Tribes will stay out on a platform. They will dive down, hold onto a rope, collect buoys. First to one meter, then two meters, all the way down to five meters. Bring it to the top and throw it in a basket. At that point, the players will use the buoys and throw them into a basket. The first two tribes to get all their buoys into the basket, will win Immunity.

Kirhoffer: We're going to move our buoy line back a little bit so they have a little more of a swim, but everything else worked out perfect.

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"RE: S28 | Ep03 | VidCap Analysis *No Sources* "
Posted by Sheldor on 03-11-14 at 07:41 AM
Misc Comments...

tribephyl: "Solana with 1 'Fish Trap' and 1 'Grass Bale' on the way."

How is Solana's Grass Bale hanging there in mid air in FRONT of their platform?!
Is Alexis holding on to it or is it in the process of falling down?


In the TVGN Preview showing the Haulin' Oats Reward Challenge John Kirhoffer says:

"Everybody else will race out to pick up their bags of rice, their bundles of hay and their fish traps. Once they get all 10 items, brought back, dropped them over, hoist them to the top, and the first two tribes win some kind of a reward. "

The 10th item is the tribe's flag.

Here you can see all 3 tribe flags behind LJ and Jefra

Here is Tony and Lindsey returning with Aparri's tribe flag.

Maybe Aparri (Brawn) comes in 2nd since we saw the chicken coop behind Alexis (Solana/Beauty)


Flowerpower1: "First thing that stands out is that Cliff is not shooting for his tribe in the IC? WOOOOT? Maybe they are going to throw it?"

In all of the Press Images Aparri appears to have not yet started to shoot the buoys into the basket. However, we know that Cliff does in fact shoot the buoy into the basket


Note: There are Five Buoys not Four that need to be shot into the basket

John Kirhoffer: This challenge is Octopus's Garden. Tribes will stay out on a platform. They will dive down, hold onto a rope, collect buoys. First to one meter, then two meters, all the way down to five meters.

When the Dream Teamers did this challenge they did it with 4 on each team with one person having to dive twice


Aparri(Brawn) starts with Woo NOT wearing nor holding a mask. Trish and Sarah are holding a mask.
Solana(Beauty) starts with LJ wearing a mask, Jefra going second putting on a mask.
Luzon(Brains) starts with J'Tia wearing a mask. Tasha going second wearing a mask.
Non Divers have to remain on the mat at the back of the platform

In this photo Woo, Trish, and Sarah appear to all be wet so I believe there is actually a third buoy in their basket behind the other two but they are FAR behind Solana who is already shooting so they must have retrieved all five buoys already!


So in this photo...

One of Aparri's masks is on the basket platform and I don't see the other one. I think both Trish and Sarah (both originally holding masks) have both already completed getting their buoys (2nd and 3rd) and that probably Cliff is wearing the other mask (or he put his on the platform). So I believe Cliff is returning with the 4th (4m) buoy and Woo is getting ready to dive for the 5th (5m) buoy.

Solana obviously has retrieved all 5 buoys (most likely 1m:LJ, 2m:Jefra, 3m:Morgan, 4m:Jeremiah, 5m:LJ) and is already shooting.

For Luzon I believe J'Tia, Tasha, and Kass have retrieved the 1m, 2m, and 3m buoys respectively and Spencer is returning with the 4m buoy. It looks like Tasha is getting ready to dive in to retrieve the 5m buoy.


tribephyl: "Spencer is tossing the 4th ball towards the hoop. 3 balls in basket."

If you look closely, there is a 4th buoy in the basket behind the buoy on the far right


Luzon has shot 2 buoys into the basket but it appears J'Tia is exhausted and is no longer helping to retrieve missed shots so probably Kass is having to retrieve all the missed shots by herself!

If Aparri tries to throw this challenge they may really have to do poorly (especially Cliff who would look foolish not being able to make a basket) to lose to Luzon. It would seem Solana would win this Immunity Challenge easily.


"RE: S28 | Ep03 | VidCap Analysis *No Sources* "
Posted by Flowerpower1 on 03-11-14 at 06:02 PM
LAST EDITED ON 03-11-14 AT 08:53 PM (EST)

Awesome work, Sheldor, and I am with you. I think that in the first shot of Alexis she is indeed holding onto the bail of hay/straw. I think you are right too, I think that the beauty's may just have a sweep this week.

I also think that the Brawn team will lose the challenge, even though we have the professional basketball player shooting. Thanks for the hard work and great job putting the challenge together for us!

ETA: After reviewing this entire thread I am editing this post to note that I am not sold on the Brawn losing the IC. We see Cliff shooting, and we see J'Tia giving up and not helping to retrieve balls anymore. Will J'Tia cause the Brains to choke?


"RE: S28 | Ep03 | VidCap Analysis *No Sources* "
Posted by Sheldor on 03-11-14 at 09:36 PM
Thanks Flowerpower1

I'm wondering if Brawn tries to throw the challenge to vote off Tony (or Lindsey) (who are both sitting out) as they have Sarah, Trish, and Woo (who we saw talking about throwing the challenge to get rid of "him") all throwing and Cliff could be in on it too but then Brains does so poorly that Brawn can no longer pretend to be trying and eventually hits their Fifth buoy in the basket to put Brains out of their misery.

This isn't important at all but you can see that production added a ladder, skirting around the platform and a coil of rope next to the basket.

What is the coil of rope for?!?!



"RE: S28 | Ep03 | VidCap Analysis *No Sources* "
Posted by mimo on 03-12-14 at 07:31 PM
I suspect the brains may just surprise us. They've done well at the other swimming challenge (well except for J'Tia who then let them down on the puzzle on that challenge.) Also don't the timestamps indicate that Spencer starts shooting about one minute after he is seen getting back to the platform with the baskets?

By the way, thanks for all the work bringing the images and promos over!!!