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"We Need to Talk"
Posted by dabo on 09-03-13 at 12:28 PM
LAST EDITED ON 09-03-13 AT 03:33 PM (EST)

Specifically, about vote threads. I mean it, I am at a loss right now what to do about vote threads this season, or at least for the start of the season. Suggestions will be welcomed.

The cast has been revealed, and the twists announced. Get prepared for the most overly complicated got as far away from the original concept Survivor ever.

If Jiffy was tasked with making this one unspoilable, he failed. Vote threads, however, are going to be insane. Seriously, I mean it, I am fed up and don't know how to make comprehensible fun vote threads for this season. Help!

So, anyway, ten relative couples start the this time 39 1/2 day game. Day 0 each couple goes out to rough it with each other, then on the day 1 gathering the tribes are formed, returning players on one side, cannon fodder newbies on the other side. But there are twists.

Redemption Island is back. And this time a relative can substitute him/herself for a voted to RI player, with the voted to RI player joining the tribe of the sacrificial relative.

Madness, utter madness. Probst needs to quit trying to prove himself, he just keeps sinking further and further into the stoopid hole. Back to basics, wuzzat? It was a simple concept, who knew it could screwed up like this!

The Players

Galang (Returnees) Tribe

AB. Aras Baskauskas, musician, 31, California, Vytas' brother.
CW. Candice Woodcock Cody, physician, 33, DC, John's wife.
CC. Colton Cumbie, student teacher, 22, Alabama, Caleb's fiance.
GP. Gervase Peterson, cigar lounge owner, 43, Pennsylvania, Marissa's uncle.
KE. Kat Edorsson, student, 25, Florida, Hayden's supposed girlfriend because CBS wanted her back.
LM. Laura Morett (Laura M), construction company co-owner, 43, Oregan, Ciera's mother.
MC. Monica Culpepper, housewife, 42, Florida, Brad's wife.
RB. Rupert Boneham, charity politician, 49, Indiana, Laura B's husband.
TW. Tina Wesson, spokesperson, 52, North Carolina, Katie's mother.
TA. Tyson Apostal, cycle shop manager (former pro cyclist), 34, Utah, Rachel's boyfriend.

Tadhana (Loved Ones) Tribe

BC. Brad Culpepper, attorney (former NFL player), 44, Florida, Monica's husband.
CB. Caleb Bankston, post office manager, 26, Alabama, Colton's fiance.
CE. Ciera Eastin, student, 24, Oregon, Laura M's daughter.
HM. Hayden Moss, real estate (BB winner), 26, Texas, Kat's supposed boyfriend because CBS wanted him back.
JC. John Cody, physician, 30, DC, Candice's husband.
KC. Katie Collins, hedge funder, 25, New York, Tina's daughter.
LB. Laura Boneham (Laura B), merchandiser, 44, Indiana, Rupert's wife.
MP. Marissa Peterson, student, 21, North Carolina, Gervace's niece.
RF. Rachel Foulger, waitress/artist, 33, Utah, Tyson's girlfriend.
VB. Vytas Baskauskas, yoga instructor/math professor, 33, California, Aras' brother.

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"RE: We Need to Talk"
Posted by suzzee on 09-03-13 at 03:40 PM
Jiffy has it out for you, it's the only thing that makes sense.

With the RI factor and the chance of a switch making it complicated, I'd make it simple. Whoever is voted out at TC has the most votes.

Forget the RI factor, the switcher-roo complication and any other nonsense. So if they technically wind up on the other tribe, ignore it and make it simple. If they get the most votes at TC then that's who it is. It's the Vote thread, do the votes and leave Jiffy's minions to sort out the aftermath.



I should be watched....closely.

"RE: We Need to Talk"
Posted by michel on 09-03-13 at 09:32 PM
If there is a bootlist floating around then just forget about a vote thread. It's not a vote if the results are known beforehand.
"RE: We Need to Talk"
Posted by dabo on 09-03-13 at 11:34 PM
Heh, bootlists, what are that? From what I gather a contingient of Sucksters spent the summer generating false spoils hoping to embarrass or get missyea somehow, it's just absurd. But I haven't bothered checking there in a month or more. For every "guess what I found out/saw/whatever" there seem to be dozens of counter-claims.

I don't trust bootlists anyway and neither should anyone else.

"RE: We Need to Talk"
Posted by tribephyl on 09-04-13 at 01:59 AM
Well, it's either all about the votes or it's about the burnt buff.
It's MUCH easier to pick which of three will have to burn their buff (which seems to also be the main impetus behind the "bootlists") but much harder to figure out who gets voted out.

But you could do both.
Out of the tribe:
Out of the game:

"RE: We Need to Talk"
Posted by dabo on 09-04-13 at 11:07 AM
Going with the voted out idea has its merits, as nominally those voted out deserve to be out rather than going to Redemption Island. But I dislike the idea of abondoning the out of the game for real aspect of the vote thread. And one glance at TDT's current (speculative) S27 calendar shows the big problem: What does voted out mean?

http://www.truedorktimes.com/s27/calendar.htm

Cycle 1
Day 0: 20 people go camping out in pairs. (20)
Day 1: Tribes formed, two evicted "Palau-style." (18-2) How do two end up last picked (not picked) for pre-ordained tribes? If not a vote it would have to be by some sort of challenge.
Day 3: RC/IC, one voted out. (17-3)

Cycle 2
Day 4: RI duel, one eliminated. (17-2)
But that isn't one of three eliminated as relatives still in the game can basically vote themselves out to spare their relatives at RI, so there are six potential losers of that duel.

How often and when do the relatives still in the game get to make that decision, is it one and done or perpetual as long as their relatives are at RI?

Madness madness madness and more madness. (Again, of course, TDT's calendar is speculative.)

I have to consider doing away with the subject header voting system this season, just posing a series of questions each week for everyone to answer in message. New rules? We'll need some talliers willing to sort through the madness.

One thing for certain, Probst is way down at the bottom of my lvoe list this entire season.

"RE: We Need to Talk"
Posted by Round Robin on 09-18-13 at 11:28 AM
You should have stuck with the TC voteout and forgot the rest. For all its flaws in this f---ed up season, that would have been the simplest solution, and one should at all times obey the KISS principle, without fail.

The vote thread as it stands now is too much like work for something that was supposed to be fun. It would have been better done away with. I will abstain until it can be returned to its original form.

"RE: We Need to Talk"
Posted by dabo on 09-18-13 at 02:35 PM
Oh well, gave it a shot. Fortunately it is ep 1 that is most messed up by the lousy twists. It is going to be a horrible season, finished off with Probst trying his best to make an even worse reunion show than last time.

Fortunately, TVG reran Borneo in a marathon recently, that was so fun! Got my battery recharged.