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"S21 Nicaragua Episode #5 ECST "

Posted by Snidget on 10-13-10 at 07:31 PM
Discuss the show on this thread only until the show has aired on the West Coast.

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"Recappage"
Posted by Snidget on 10-13-10 at 08:01 PM
Older tribe struggling. Marty is giddy.
Younger tribe Brenda the mastermind NaOnka the bully.
Older tribe in disarray at the challenge.
Jimmy T wants to be the leader and get rid of Dan, but Marty's Ego lobbied against Jimmy T and it worked.

"Fall out from Tribal"
Posted by Snidget on 10-13-10 at 08:02 PM
Holly shocked and people saying he was a good guy and how is keeping Dan keeping the tribe strong, something has to change.

Be careful what you wish for.


"RE: Fall out from Tribal"
Posted by Gothmog on 10-13-10 at 08:05 PM
LAST EDITED ON 10-13-10 AT 08:18 PM (EST)

Hi Snidget! Here to keep you company tonight.


"RE: Fall out from Tribal"
Posted by Snidget on 10-13-10 at 08:05 PM
woo hoo!

"Next Day "
Posted by Snidget on 10-13-10 at 08:08 PM
Marty says you can't get cocky but I'm in control and good for the next two tribals with certainty, nothing can go wrong.

Something completely whacked out is the only thing that can disrupt Marty's plans, I mean they've never done anything like a tribe swap or anything.

NaOnka sipping the I'm in control and winning things thing Kool Aid on the other beach.


"Challenge"
Posted by Snidget on 10-13-10 at 08:10 PM
Drop your buffs.

Marty says it is too early, not counting on this.

Draw for new captains.

Pick a rock and don't look/reveal.

Yellow Rock or Blue Brenda and Holly are the captains.

Brenda choose three old tribe people
Holly gets four young tribe people.

Old to Young
Jane, Jill, Marty

Young to Old
Alina, Benry, Chase, NaOnka


"Medallion of Power"
Posted by Snidget on 10-13-10 at 08:11 PM
DONE!

"Reward"
Posted by Snidget on 10-13-10 at 08:12 PM
Plinko type board, have to catch ball as it comes off.

Playing for chickens, rooster.


"RE: Reward"
Posted by Gothmog on 10-13-10 at 08:16 PM
LAST EDITED ON 10-13-10 AT 08:26 PM (EST)

Heh. I saw it as plinko, too. Total rip-off of PiR.


"RE: Reward"
Posted by emydi on 10-14-10 at 11:07 AM
I immediately thought of Tribey


I love you tribey!


"RE: Challenge"
Posted by Snidget on 10-13-10 at 08:15 PM
Get a point when the other tribe drops the ball.

Espada gets the first point.
La Flor ties it up.
Espada 2:1 (Marty it will be nice to win dropped it)
Tied 2:2

Marty drops for La Flor and Espada wins reward.


"RE: Challenge"
Posted by Brownroach on 10-13-10 at 08:20 PM
Tyrone is talking too much in a kind of bossy way. Younguns not impressed.

"RE: Challenge"
Posted by Loree on 10-13-10 at 09:09 PM
Tyrone really came off as arrogant and bossy. And he didn't even seem to understand how he was coming off to the younger players. Bad social game on his part.

"RE: Challenge"
Posted by michel on 10-13-10 at 09:13 PM
I'm guessing the number of men and women to choose were imposed. If not, it's hard to explain why Brenda ignored Tyrone.

"RE: Challenge"
Posted by Brownroach on 10-14-10 at 00:12 AM
You may be correct because missyae had said that one captain would have a "big decision" to make. We weren't made privy to anything like that.

"Segment 1"
Posted by Gothmog on 10-13-10 at 08:15 PM
LAST EDITED ON 10-13-10 AT 08:27 PM (EST)

Mood shot: sunrise.

Marty: Tribal council was a slam dunk. I'm in control, finally. I'm looking with certainty at the next two tribal councils.
Tells Dan Jane and Holly will go next, baring something completely whacked out.

(Has he never seen this show before?)

La Flor:
Na: I have it all planned, I have the HII, I got my hair done, got my swag. if I look good, Ima do good.
(has NO ONE seen this show before?)

Challenge:
"Drop your buffs. We're switching tribes."
Everyone shocked. Jeff sees shocked faces. Marty has shocked hair.
Jud: everything now up in the air.

Draw rocks for captains. Jud having trouble with the complicated rules of this game.

Brenda and Holly are capts.

Brenda chooses 3 people from older, HOlly picks 4 from younger, to even things up.

Jane, Jill, and Marty join younger tribe, Alina, Benry, Chase, and Na join older tribe. Everybody MOVE {/Fezzik}

Old vs. young, done. Medallion of POWER! -er -er -er! is done.

Na: I'll miss my old tribe.
Marty: good to be with winning tribe.

Challenge for reward. Plinko variation, with balls. Gotta catch balls, or other group gets point. Playing for 2 chickens and rooster. Mammy Yokum (jane) has an orgasm.

Sash drops. Espada up 1-0
Tyrone drops. Tied 1-1
Marty drops. Espada up 2-1
Alina drops. 2-2.
Jeff: new tribes, going all the way. (heh heh)
Marty drops again. Espada wins reward.


"RE: S21 Nicaragua Episode #5 ECST "
Posted by Brownroach on 10-13-10 at 08:23 PM
Holly is ready to flip.
Naonka is suddenly best buds with Alina.

"Segment 2"
Posted by Gothmog on 10-13-10 at 08:25 PM
LAST EDITED ON 10-13-10 AT 08:28 PM (EST)

Tyrone: good people on this tribe. I would have like to stay with my old tribe; we had a great dynamic. (um, you just got toasted in challenges. what a dynamic.)
At least we have good looking girls here.

Tyrone becomes leader, starts telling people what to do. Younger tribe doesn't like this.

Holly says Chase and Alina reminds her of her kids. She relates well with them. Hopes to keep them on her side. (Here's a clue: don't bury their shoes. Just a thought.)

She even forms a connction with Na-zilla. Who'd a thunk it.

Na: I'm going to go with the numbers. Alina and I's relationship has changed a whole bunch. (Yes, she just said "I's." Let's hear it for PE teachers!)

Jud: the ole' switcheroo. I was dreading it, but it was pretty right-on. We're all super cool. (Far out. Righteous dude)

Mammy: these kids are more relaxed. mah old tribe was all about schedule, schedule. I really lahk these keeds. I woulda voted out Marty and Jill a long time ago.

Jud tells Marty about the wrestling, and the clue not-sharing. Jud: we're the young tribe. we don't know what we're doing.

Marty instructs them on how to play the game. And he then whips it out and shows everyone. (Talking about the idol. heh.)

Brenda: Marty is soooo arrogant. He just whipped it out, no b.s. and was sitting there, like "wow. so impressed." He has a lot of balls. (still talking about the idol. heh double heh.)



"Culture shock"
Posted by Snidget on 10-13-10 at 08:26 PM
Older protocol and decides who does what when.
Younger are hey, whatever.

Marty and Jud discuss Immunity Idol tales.

Marty tells the whole tribe he has the immunity idol. This is not as impressive a move as he seems to think it is based on confessional reactions.


"RE: Culture shock"
Posted by Loree on 10-13-10 at 09:12 PM
Marty is out-arroganting(?) Tyrone on the other tribe.

Everytime I look at Marty's wild hair I laugh.


"RE: S21 Nicaragua Episode #5 ECST "
Posted by Brownroach on 10-13-10 at 08:26 PM
Marty tells all of LaFlor he has an hii. Brenda thinks he is arrogant

"NaOnka"
Posted by Snidget on 10-13-10 at 08:31 PM
can't take the rain, wants to quit.

"Immunity Challenge"
Posted by Snidget on 10-13-10 at 08:34 PM
Marty says easy to feel good in the Taj Majal. Being dry was great.

Alina says bonded in a different way from being wet.

Immunity up for grabs.

Three strapped to a wheel that submerges you under water.
Fill mouth with water spit out until balls a released.
Use balls to break tiles.


"RE: Immunity Challenge"
Posted by Snidget on 10-13-10 at 08:38 PM
La Flor goes fast, but misses the water
Espada going slow and the ball is released first.

Espada breaks first tile.

Tied 2:2

La Flor leads 3:2

Tied at 4:4

Fabio wins it for La Flor


"Segment 3"
Posted by Gothmog on 10-13-10 at 08:38 PM
LAST EDITED ON 10-13-10 AT 08:38 PM (EST)

Benry: Resources are slim, shelter built in wrong place, no shortage of rain.

Rain won't stop. Na hates the rain. "When I'm cold, I lose it." (Also, when she's warm, and even when she's tepid. But that' beside the point.)

Alina: Na is like a HS girl--irrational, like she's on her period all the time. (!) If she wants to go home, that's better for me.

Na complains about the cold, Alina comforts her. Na starts talking about wanting to leave. Alina and Chase tell her she will regret this the rest of her life. "Just a little storm. We'll be all right."

Chase tells story of day his dad died, thought he saw a rainbow in back of his truck during a rain storm. Dramatic music accompanies. "We'll make it through this."

Na complains through the night.

Immunity Challenge.

Marty: easy to feel comradery when you're in the taj mahal of camp.
Jane: Ah feel GREAT.
Alina: we bonded because of the rain.

Challenge: 3 members will be strapped to wheel, submerged (while wheel spins), get mouthful of water, fill tall glass thingy to release a ball. Use balls to break tiles. First to 5 tiles wins.

Girls are on wheels, spinned by guys (and Na).

Learning curve. LaFlor moves twice as fast as Espada. Espada going slow on purpose--different strategy. Espada has lead, releases ball.

Tyrone and Benry breaking tiles for Espada
Tyrone 1-0.
Jud & Jane for La Flor.
La Flor takes lead.
4-3.
Benry ties up.
Fabio wins it for La Flor.


"Before commercial"
Posted by Gothmog on 10-13-10 at 08:39 PM
Na: I knew we'd lose. I'm not a quitter, but I think I'm done.

"RE: Segment 3"
Posted by Brownroach on 10-13-10 at 09:03 PM
Oh sorry, I would have helped more but I passed out after Benry got a confessional.

"RE: Segment 3"
Posted by CTgirl on 10-13-10 at 09:46 PM
Well he certainly isn't the smoothest talker out there!

"Fall Out From Immunity"
Posted by Snidget on 10-13-10 at 08:46 PM
Discussing how to kill chickens in front of them. Tyrone wants the eggs.

Tyrone didn't help clean or cook the chicken but was there to eat, and it seems he got more than everyone else, too. This is rubbing people the wrong way, but NaOnka hanging on by a thread mentally.


"Segment 4"
Posted by Gothmog on 10-13-10 at 08:47 PM
mood shot: waves and birds

Na: Espada is cursed. I'm not nervous. I don't care--I really want to go home. I'm over it.

They discuss eating a chicken. Tyrone doesn't want to cut down on their one-egg a day production.
Holly: we should stand up to Tyrone.
They vote to kill the chicken.
Tyrone: Not what I wanted, but I don't want to rock the boat right now. Wouldn't be smart.

Holly notices that Tyrone doesn't help cleaning and boning, but sure helped with the eating. Benry also notices that Tyrone gets more chicken than rest of tribe, he's becoming more and more obnoxious by the day. Adds: he could help us in challenges, but he's not the easiest person to get along with. Worried that Na isn't there mentaly right now.
(Right now? She hasn't been there mentally the WHOLE GAME!)

Eve and Alina talk about keeping the tribe strong--want to send Na home.
Alina: myself, Chase, Benry, and Holly--we're in control of this game. I'll see what everyone else wants to do.


"Tribal Council"
Posted by Snidget on 10-13-10 at 08:52 PM
Alina: Turf wars we have to go with their rules.
Tryone outed as the bossy one, oops, leader.
Tyrone feels qualified to be the leader, but he wants it to be smooth, need to address the turf wars.

Alina: Nights are tough, really rainy, drenched and cold.

NaOnka: Last night I was freezing and shaking, didn't think it would be this difficult. Divorce hardest thing before now. Have a support here. She was talking about wanting to quit and being at the breaking point.

Benry: Confused by Jeff (She wants to go, so do people go with compassion or competitive).

NaOnka, really don't know, smart people who know when to shut up and when to talk.


"Da Votes"
Posted by Snidget on 10-13-10 at 08:54 PM
Na
Tyrone
Tyrone
Naonka
Tyrone
TD
Tyrone

Fifth person voted out Tyrone.


"Tribal Council"
Posted by Gothmog on 10-13-10 at 08:54 PM
Alina talks about dynamics. We're on Espada's turf, have to go with their rules.

Benry: Tyrone is the boss man, he's assertive.

Tyrone: Being the leader is huge responsibility. I'm qualified and happy to be leader. I take input from others. Turf wars? news to me.

Alina: Tyrone gave us a speech when we came to camp. I felt like a child.

Ty: I didn't intend to lay down law. Maybe that's the generation gap.

Alina: Nights have been toughest. EVeryone was drenched, cold.

Na: OMG, I was freezing. Never thought it would be this tough. Up til now, getting a divorce at 26 was toughest. I was one to mess it up. I couldn't shield myself then, but here I have a support system.

Jeff: you get more love from strangers competing?

Na: It was. They helped me through it. I wanted to quit, I was at my breaking point.

Jeff challenges the tribe about wanting to keep someone who wants to quit.

Eve: I want longevity with these people.

Jeff: weren't you thinking about the game?

Na: I don't know. There are smart people on this team--they know when to talk and when to shut up. (what the heck does that mean?)

Votes:
Tyrone: (voting Na) this is a grown-folks game. I'm keeping it 100. Peace out.
Benry: (dropping bell) time to dethrone the King of Espada. Benry's here, baby.

Jeff tallys votes.
Na
Tyrone
Tyrone
Na
Tyrone
T.D. (tyrone)
Tyrone.

Tyrone voted out.

Ty wishes them luck as he leaves.
Jeff: Lot of talk about communicating and nurturing. Tyrone got neither--your first blindside. Congrats.


"RE: Tribal Council"
Posted by Belle Book on 10-13-10 at 09:43 PM
Bye-bye, Tyrone! You didn't have any real allies, and you were too bossy.

Belle Book


"Next Episode"
Posted by Snidget on 10-13-10 at 08:58 PM
Dan wants to leave
Marty breaks out secret weapon. Chess master.
Another twist, tribal immunity is not what you are playing for.

Tyrone, we were democratic when La Flor, not a tribe game. Anything can happen. Anything happened.


"RE: Next Episode"
Posted by CTgirl on 10-13-10 at 09:44 PM
Which season had the most people who wanted out? So far we have had Holly, Na and Dan thinking of quitting plus Jill said she didn't think she could make it another 28 days! Come on people, this is Survivor!!

"RE: Next Episode"
Posted by Brownroach on 10-13-10 at 10:42 PM
In next week's preview I feel certain we'll see Jeff Probst threaten to quit.

"RE: Next Episode"
Posted by dabo on 10-13-10 at 11:16 PM
I hope they get that promo up before I start the vote thread.

"RE: Next Episode"
Posted by dabo on 10-13-10 at 11:14 PM
>Which season had the most people
>who wanted out?

Fans v Faves. It was bizarre. Like: Oh, Jeff, I know my tribe keeps winning but the tide came in and I lost it, please give me a section 8. And: Well, gosh, if you pinky swear you won't vote me out if I give you immunity, well here you go, you got immunity man-hating hot blonde.


"Next time on Survivor"
Posted by Gothmog on 10-13-10 at 08:59 PM
Dan wants to go back to NY. Marty breaks out his secret weapon: he's a grandmaster at Chess. Jud: that figures. And new twist. Jeff: tribal immunity--NOT what's up for grabs.

Ty's last words:
I wanted to stay strong, we had democratic basis. La Flor came over and gave us the jump. Anything can happen, and that's what happened.


"RE: Next time on Survivor"
Posted by michel on 10-13-10 at 09:26 PM
Thanks guys for giving us the play-by-play and your reactions along the way. That was a good episode and it was fun how he boot was hidden until the chicken incident.

As for the twist, I guess double-boot if they aren,t playing for tribal immunity.

BTW, I don't remember reading anything about Marty being a grand master in his pre-seasom bio and I've never seen his name in news about chess tournaments. Is he really? If so, why reveal it?


"RE: Next time on Survivor"
Posted by CTgirl on 10-13-10 at 09:42 PM
Maybe he thinks being known as a master strategist (aka puppet master) is the way to win friends and influence people!

"RE: Next time on Survivor"
Posted by SquidProQuo on 10-13-10 at 10:13 PM
Amazing to watch the parallels between Tyrone and Marty tonight and how they both couldn't help themselves from being bossy and playing a bad social game. Meanwhile, NaOnka who wants to quit/everybody hates and Dan with the bad knee are both still in the game...go figure!

Re Marty: I agree -- don't think he's a Grandmaster. That would have come out by now, and I just tried to look up his rating on the USCF web site and he's not listed. Plus we know from last week's Insider Clips that he lied to his tribe about his job to make it look like he really needs the $, so wouldn't be surprised if he lied again....but funny that he picks Jud of all people to try to impress...don't think it's going to work.

Glad the MOP is gone. Hope they don't bring it back again ever!

So was Yve the 2nd vote for Nay? Interesting if she was out of the loop. Dan and Holly definitely voted for Tyrone so I think it must have been her.

P.S. I'm a city girl, but shouldn't they have cooked the rooster instead of the hen if they wanted eggs? Or am I mixed up and were they all hens?


"RE: Next time on Survivor"
Posted by michel on 10-13-10 at 10:28 PM
If Marty thinks Jud id dumb then maybe he's trying to tell him stick with me kid and I'll help you figure things out.

Yes, Yve voted for Nay.

As for the rooster, I was thinking the same thing especially since that rooster would be waking them up every morning.


"RE: Next time on Survivor"
Posted by CTgirl on 10-13-10 at 10:35 PM
I also thought they should've killed the rooster and almost posted that thought up thread.


"RE: Next time on Survivor"
Posted by Brownroach on 10-13-10 at 10:36 PM
Yes Yve voted for Na. I wonder who clued Dan into the Tyrone plan. Holly? They were at odds last time but maybe they've synched up for now.

"RE: Next time on Survivor"
Posted by dabo on 10-13-10 at 11:20 PM
Correct. Once the rooster has done its job the hens will continue producing for quite awhile, longer than they'll be playing the game. So it was possible the non-producing hen would start producing, as long as she was alive, but the rooster is just an alarm clock after this.

"RE: Next time on Survivor"
Posted by Outfrontgirl on 10-14-10 at 04:36 AM
Yeah, I couldn't believe they didn't kill the rooster. The rooster is totally unnecessary for egg production. I had a chicken adopt my carport (a wild chicken), and it laid an egg or so every day, even though the nearest rooster was a mile away.

Roosters are only necessary to fertilize eggs so that they hatch into little chickens, but the chickens just keep making eggs whatever. My poor chicken brooded over an unfertilized egg for like two weeks, she had no clue why it wouldn't hatch. Not the brightest bulbs.

I didn't realize until tonight just how crappy the Espada shelter was as far as the place they sited it. So the young people put together an altogether superior camp while remaining "chill." How funny.


"RE: Next time on Survivor"
Posted by SquidProQuo on 10-14-10 at 10:00 AM
P.S. OFG, I thought the same thing about how crappy the Espada shelter is. Wasn't sure if it's just the tarp that made a huge difference but it sure seems like the youngin's have outsmarted the old folks on several counts.

"RE: Next time on Survivor"
Posted by SquidProQuo on 10-14-10 at 09:56 AM
There is a funny Deleted Scene (at the end of Jeff's blog) where Dan says he always thought it was an Old Wives' Tale that Roosters crow early in the morning until now -- he's obviously a city boy .

"RE: Next time on Survivor"
Posted by emydi on 10-14-10 at 11:17 AM
my little Jerry!

"RE: Next time on Survivor"
Posted by SquidProQuo on 10-14-10 at 12:21 PM
Too funny emydi! Thanks for posting that -- I thought I saw every Seinfeld at least twice but I must have missed that episode.

"RE: Next time on Survivor"
Posted by CTgirl on 10-14-10 at 02:26 PM
Oh emy, that is too funny. I had forgotten all about that episode.
I guess that not only do the nuEspada members need a refresher bio class, they also need a refresher Seinfeld viewing!

"RE: Next time on Survivor"
Posted by Outfrontgirl on 10-14-10 at 04:39 AM
lol, CT, that must be it!

Don't know about his chess, but he has a great resume:
http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=102298&authType=name&authToken=Qztz&locale=en_US&pvs=pp&trk=ppro_viewmore

and a new management job since he returned:
http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Skytide-Appoints-Marty-Piombo-as-Managing-Director-of-Strategic-Partnerships-1303169.htm

Managing Director of Strategic Partnerships

gee, they gave him the job before they saw him run Espada!


"RE: Next time on Survivor"
Posted by Brownroach on 10-13-10 at 10:18 PM
(...thinking...) Because he's a moron?