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"That old million-dollar quote."
Posted by Estee on 12-15-08 at 01:46 PM
So --

-- well --

-- did we even have one?

Jeff handed one out: in the EW preview, he said Bob was the best-equipped person for the game. And surprise: the person best-equipped for the game wound up winning the thing. (Gee, that's rare. But can anyone remember anything Bob said on-camera early on that pointed to his ultimately taking the title?

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"RE: That old million-dollar quote."
Posted by KObrien_fan on 12-15-08 at 01:51 PM
He didn't say much of anything in that regard until late in the game, but...

In episode 1 he was the first player shown walking across the field and was highlighted by the camera alot. In the first scene at his tribe camp it was Bob lifted up by the tribe to fix the roof of the camp hut and several were seen cheering him on, Sugar was one of those cheerleaders. When he got down from the roof Ace had him on his shoulders like you would lift a victorius player and he had his hands raised up and all were cheering for Bob and his work to which Corrine (of all people) said in confessional "Bob is awesome"


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"RE: That old million-dollar quote."
Posted by byoffer on 12-16-08 at 08:58 AM
I don't think it came early in the season, but several times Bob did say that he was "the luckiest man in Gabon". And how.

"RE: That old million-dollar quote."
Posted by suzzee on 12-16-08 at 01:19 PM
I think that's the Bob version of the million dollar quote. His wife may have said something like that on her family visit. I should have gone with my gut on hearing that because that's the first thing I thought when I heard that.

Bob's age & maturity would keep him from saying something too presumptuous, it's like a bad karma thing but being the luckiest man in Gabon was as close as he'll get and each time he said those words he really was. I hope production wasn't waiting for a lot of gushing at the fan favorite win, I think Bob was in shock.



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"RE: That old million-dollar quote."
Posted by kingfish on 12-16-08 at 09:12 AM
To cover all bases, I think they include a clip from just about everyone that can be said to be a winning quote. After the happy (for EPMB) occurance of Hatch's quote, it became a feature that they try to manufacture.

I guess they could peek into the jar, but unless the editors do that, they don't know who wins till the LA reveal, so during the editing process they won't know which winning quotes to include.

I also think they use pseudo-winning quotes to throw us spoilers off.

I actually think the cameraman tries to solicit winning qoutes, maybe with questions like "So, what would you say your chances are here in (Wherever)?", or maybe "So, do you think you can win this thing?" in early confessionals.

Haven't most of the past "winning quotes" come in confessionals? I think this year, Bob's victory surprised the heck out of the producers.

"RE: That old million-dollar quote."
Posted by byoffer on 12-16-08 at 11:14 AM
I don't for a second believe that "they" don't look into the cookie jar before the final reveal. I think that a small group of production staff know the result shortly after the votes are cast. And I think they do try to edit the season based on that. Hard as it might have been, I think that they would have given Susie a lot more (and better) footage if she had actually won. It would be bad for the show if someone with a total wallflower (not our Wallflower!) edit like Susie had actually won.

I thought you were more skeptical than to believe in secret ballots.


"RE: That old million-dollar quote."
Posted by kingfish on 12-16-08 at 11:55 AM
Yeah, you got me. That does contradict my claim to being generally critical of stuff like that.

Jeff's body language made me think he actually didn't know the results before hand. He made a point of sneaking a peek after all but one of the votes were read to see if there was a tie. I don't know if he would have been up to that level of deception if he had known beforehand the results. And I tend to think that if anyone peeked, he would know. But from what I've read (here, maybe?) someone from the production staff does look at the weekly TC results after the vote and arranges them so that the reveal is dramatic. So maybe someone did the same for the final reveal. The temptation would be there for the producers to maximize show interest by manipulating what ever they could.

But with all the footage that is shot, and all the confessionals that are not shown, to try and get winning quotes from all of the castaways, or maybe just those that Jeff and Co. think have a chance to win for later use when doing the editing wouldn't be hard to do either.

One thing that indicats this is that they really didn't have a bona fide winning quote from Bob. The "I'm the luckiest man in Gabon" is as close to that as they have. I think they just didn't bother with him, because, who seriously would have picked him at the beginning of this season? Old people tend to exit early (with exceptions), so I think the producers discounted his chances and didn't bother to ask him the leading questions necessary for a winning quote.

To believe that the production crew didn't peek is kinda naive, though.

"RE: That old million-dollar quote."
Posted by LFJ on 12-16-08 at 05:39 PM
Believing the votes are not tallied before we see what production does with them is a bit of a stretch.

I am familiar with the term "sealed indictment", wherein a person is indictd for a crime by a Grand Jury, but the indictment is not read (ha ha). Even the indictee and his/her attorney cannot find out about the indictment, but somehow, the Press can.

That, like a lot of American "folklore" is something we are "supposed" to believe. It makes the show more fun. Personally, I strongly doubt that anything is sealed to the extent that it is not leaked.

Unless we (the audience) see something with our own eyes in real time, we have only the editors to rely upon to do a good and true job for us.

"RE: That old million-dollar quote."
Posted by Q on 12-16-08 at 02:45 PM
Jeff has stated in the past that producers WATCH the voting and then tell him how to arrange the votes during the reveal for the most dramatic effect. Meaning, so they don't vote someone out without any other votes for others being read.

So after the 7 moron jury members cast their votes, the producers knew EXACTLY who won.



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"RE: That old million-dollar quote."
Posted by kingfish on 12-16-08 at 03:46 PM
LAST EDITED ON 12-16-08 AT 03:47 PM (EST)

That was for the regular eviction votes. Or has he also said they watch the final vote? They (and everybody else) watch the eviction votes, and I thought that that was what was being referred to when they talked about arranging the order.

But I thought the last vote was in supposedly in secret and kept in a sealed container, as opposed to the other TC's when all of the votes were more open. Or, as in the case of Crystal's vote for Randy, were actually broadcast to anyone within earshot.

Someday, when they make a documentary on the phenomenon of Survivor, maybe they will come clean then with all of the production minutia, including how Spoilers affected their editing.

"RE: That old million-dollar quote."
Posted by CTgirl on 12-16-08 at 05:23 PM
Actually I think the million dollar quote came when Bob agree to give Randy the fake idol and he said to Sugar, "you better make it worth my while." And Sugar told him he was awesome and, "Trust me, I will make it worth your while!"


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"RE: That old million-dollar quote."
Posted by Outfrontgirl on 12-17-08 at 03:52 PM
If you go back to the first million dollar quote, which was Hatch, you can read in Burnett's book "Survivor" that he was torn on whether to include it, because he didn't want to give away the ending.

At that time, Burnett himself was making the editing decisions. They were putting the rough edits of the episodes together while on the shoot. Which I imagine they still do ... not that they don't add other footage after the fact.

Burnett gave interviews during the Outback stating that the final vote had been recorded by a remote-controlled camera so that no crew would see it. He also stated that he found it too nerve-wracking to edit the show knowing the outcome, that he wanted to try editing the show without knowing which of the F2 was the winner. (Could that be why Tina was hidden and Colby was featured, because they thought Colby was a lock for the votes?)

Whatever, he claimed right up to the Outback Finale broadcast that the results were only opened a couple days before the reveal and by only those who absolutely had to know in order to edit the TC footage, plus himself, Jeff, and Les Moonves.

Well, that was a long time and 15 seasons ago, and I kind of think it was a one time thing, never really got talked about again. They also tried hard in the first seasons to keep jurors from comparing notes ... but really it's not practical. By the time All Stars came around, the players were going home and talking pretty freely ...

as far as "the million dollar quote" as a spoiler pattern, the "tradition" started by Hatch was that the person who said they would win in Episode 1 actually did win.

Back when Hatch was doing it, most of the people there were caught up in the experience much more than the game. These days it's SOP for a reality contestant to announce they have what it takes to win before they start out. Usually it's more ironic than anything else.

"RE: That old million-dollar quote."
Posted by kingfish on 12-18-08 at 09:02 AM
Thanks OFG, that backs up some of my thoughts and straightens me out on some others. From all of that I assume it's become customary for the producers to try and get winning quotes from all of the likely winners, if not all from the whole cast before the first TC. It’s got to have a positive effect on the viewership to have a ‘Million Dollar Quote’ hidden in the first episode.

If I had known that that book existed, I would have requested it from OT SS.

"RE: That old million-dollar quote."
Posted by CTgirl on 12-18-08 at 01:51 PM
Thanks OFG. I always enjoy your insight into the game.

I made my comment partly tongue-in-cheek. It would make sense that there is no million dollar quote this year because Bob wasn't even thinking about trying to win in episode one. He was just there for the experience - which turned into quite the winning experience!

"RE: That old million-dollar quote."
Posted by SpotTheDifference on 12-18-08 at 11:37 AM
The thing about the million-dollar quote, IMO, is that we can just compile some good quotes about a lot of people in the game, and based on the winner, pick one out of the quotes we've compiled.

I remember Kenny and Matty having some good quotes about winning the million dollars, or about Gabon being Eden or some such. Had either of them won, we could just pick the Kenny or the Matty quote and say that it's "the" million-dollar quote.

That said, Bob, during his first time in exile, had a great helicopter shot of him at the edge of a plateau, along with a quote I don't really remember, which has been compared to Earl's "King of Fiji" quote.


"RE: That old million-dollar quote."
Posted by kingfish on 12-18-08 at 12:58 PM
That's what was tying my thinking up, too.

But, OFG correctly points out that to be a Million dollar quote per the Hatch example, it would come in the first episode. Maybe we can expand that to include pre-castaway interviews or maybe quotes from Jeff at that time?

And frankly, I wasn't looking for one then. If I had recorded it I could look back thru it and see what Bob said at that time.

If we aren't confined to the first episode, then what Bob said when exiled would have to be it. That was a dramatic shot, and as I recall, it had to have been taken from a helicopter.

I wonder if Hatch is out of jail yet.


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"RE: That old million-dollar quote."
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 01-15-09 at 11:54 AM
I don't know about last season but we may already have a million dollar quote for Tocatin:

Jerry proudly proclaims, “I am physically fit, I am mentally strong and I’m ready for the million.”
http://tocantins.survivor.com/


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"RE: That old million-dollar quote."
Posted by flystorms on 02-11-09 at 08:42 AM
Yup I heard that too and jumped right on it. He's my office pool pick to win it all. (fingers crossed)
"RE: That old million-dollar quote."
Posted by Sunny_Bunny on 01-16-09 at 09:29 AM
For me, it was not any "winners quote" that I heard.

It was the shots of Bob walking and surveying the Savannah beneath him that gave it away. I remember Brian saying to me "there's a hero shot if I ever saw one Mum." I laughed and said that it pretty much clinched it for me too.