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"Hindsight..."
Posted by Flowerpower on 10-31-08 at 08:46 AM
Okay, this is WAR! EPMB is pulling out the artillary this season and really pulling the wool over our eyes with different tactics. We need to regroup and nail the remaining boots. Let's chew up this last episode and spit it out again. Clearly, the hints are there, but does it scream misdirection/red herring or not?

With the release of the preview vidcaps, I noted right away that while Crystal was most at risk at the end of the previous episode, yet, there was NO sign of her in the vidcaps....OFG Theory...Ace, Matty, and Sugar were all over the vidcaps.

EPMB is clearly using the Bold Print over the daws this season to misdirect, as was noted with the prior episode where "Biggest Blunder" was stamped over Sugar and the negative blue flashing vidcaps in exchange for the regular vidcaps of Ace used when Ace said "Trust Me"! All this talk about Ace being the snake when the entire time the snake was the evil Sugar....and why not, it fits with the theme of the show...EVE aka Sugar is the one that ate the apple and led Adam/Ace down the garden path as well. Sugar, imo, was the snake and not Ace. Ace never betrayed anyone he pledged his loyalty to.

Anything anyone can add regarding the tactics used this season to throw us off the track, please note!


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"RE: Hindsight..."
Posted by michel on 10-31-08 at 05:26 PM
I don't think it's only EPMB. As Jeff noted, Fang's situation was maddening with everyone being on the chopping block. They had no pecking order so it was difficult to figure them out. We did have Dan picked for Kota after all.

Now that Thong finally started playing the game, it should be easier to figure them out. Ken and Crystal are together so the next boot should be Matty, the outsider, or Sugar to flush out the idol or Crystal if Sugar uses her idol or... See, easy to figure out => Ken is safe.

"RE: Hindsight..."
Posted by princat on 11-01-08 at 02:27 PM
I was inspired by that post to write my own comment. I couldn't figure out why I actually didn't appreciate the Ace boot.

You hit the nail on the head. After seeing like a million snakes in that segment. It's not Ace they represent it is Sugar. I am getting so sick of all her stupid facial expressions etc. I also wish she was a better player. If she truly had felt threatened by Ace I could respect her vote. But on exile she even said Ace had been keeping her in the game. Wow she has a short term memory.

Ugh at this point I like no one this season.

"RE: Hindsight..."
Posted by Outfrontgirl on 11-01-08 at 10:16 PM
I'm with you on the war against misdirection!
It's refreshing having them take the trouble this season, and I'm not used to it of late.

Re the snake stuff, if they want to hammer home "garden of Eden" which clearly they do ...

the story is short in Genesis, but in Paradise Lost there's a lot of character development, and the serpent was manipulative, trying to talk Eve into doing stuff not in her best interest. Eve bit. She broke her promises (to Adam).

So I think Sugar is cast as Eve ...
she said Ace worried her because he was the most successfully manipulative person she had ever met ... and when he asked for the idol I think it confirmed all her fears that he was just using her.

I think she should have gotten rid of Crystal, who doesn't like her at all, but to hang onto an immunity idol that you've found fair and square - I would think is her prerogative.

No one would have gone to Yul or Terry and said, I need "our" idol. Seems to me that their was some male bias going on there that assumed the alpha male should have the right to make the decisions about the idol because Sugar was not smart enough to strategize on her own.

The idol was not necessary for that round and Ace should have firmed up his three votes instead of spooking Sugar, IMHO.

Ace made a pretty decent serpent/Lucifer ... in Paradise Lost, Lucifer is not evil, but rather proud, and takes a spectacular fall due that pride and overconfidence, which is sort of the edit Ace got.

The analogy to Eden is all very contrived, of course. The producers want a theme but the story will only oblige so much to conform to the mythology.

"RE: Hindsight..."
Posted by Flowerpower on 11-02-08 at 09:54 AM
Great thoughts there, everyone. Absolutely, OFG, I am envigorated with the use of misdirection this season by SEG as well...a very very welcome treat. Yes, it is most definately the perogative of Sugar to use and keep the idol as she saw fit. One could argue that Ken was the snake as well, as he resorted to falsehoods as well to tempt Eve away from her "snake". Yes, last episode, certainly was crawling with snakes.

One thing that we can note is that the boot story is indeed being offered up each week...Most times it is within the misdirection clues, and for one boot it was this past week, "one survivor is paranoid and scrambles for an alliance, alienating the tribe members". This was indeed, Dan. We had no trouble isolating him. But, the second bootee was clearly in the latter promos...I suppose we must examine and analyze every single point made in the promos...cross each one off, so to speak.



"RE: Hindsight..."
Posted by CTgirl on 11-02-08 at 10:16 AM
We need to remember to look at all the clues too. Last week the title of the show told us that Sugar was considering betraying Ace. Vince guessed correctly that Sugar was the swing vote, but then we got off track and never came back to discuss it. I think that with the great collective mind that is Survivor Blows we goofed on that one and should have figured it out.

This is my first season watching Survivor without spoilers and it's great. But you're right FloPo, it's time to get back on track!



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"RE: Hindsight..."
Posted by Caliguy25 on 11-02-08 at 03:18 PM
I just love that FINALLY the editors and producers decided to surprise us. That million dollar quote in the first episode of every Survivor was not to be. We thought it was Ace, and that surely wasn't the case. I thought he was going to be another Brian from Thailand...a snake that makes it all the way to the finish.

The characters this year aren't all that great, but i think the game itself could make them more interesting. I think coming into the 2nd part of this game there are going to be lots of betrayals. I find it interesting that Charlie has had such a small part in any of the confessionals...makes me think he is going to get the boot possibly a lot earlier than expected. Surprise surprise...maybe Marcus doesn't walk away with the money, and they get smart and get rid of him

"Collecting ALL clues here..."
Posted by Flowerpower on 11-03-08 at 10:40 AM
Title: Apple in the Garden of Eden
Misdirection Clues: 1. The tribes come together for a surfside feast with a tempting twist.
2. The castaways decide to make a shocking sacrifice that many regret.
3. One castaway takes the game into his own hands and lets the power go to his head.

Voiceovers from the promos:
Preview promo: Jeff Probst: Next time on Survivor, there's a new leader in Africa...
Randy: <hippo call>
Jeff: ...and they call him, Randy.
Randy: I am king of Gabon. I'm sorry, but I rule. This ocean, it's mine. All those Fang and Kota members, they know the power is shifting. I'm king. Cheers. Whewwwwww! (as he goes skinny dipping).

The PIP promo: Thursday on Survivor the tribes think there's going to be a merger but nothing is ever what it seems.

Promo: Announcer: The Survivors think it's a merge. They think they know the game but what's in this box will shock everyone.
Marcus: This is me crumbling up my playbook and throwing it out the window.

Clearly the boot story is indeed wrapped up in the choice that they make, to have the feast and pay the consequences. The boot will indeed regret the choice.

Will the "King of the new Jungle, Randy" be the boot story or will that just be misdirection?

The highlighted daws in the promos: Randy, Matty, Sugar, Marcus, and on the back burner, Corrine, Charlie, Crystal.



"RE: Collecting ALL clues here..."
Posted by b1whois on 11-03-08 at 04:03 PM
flopo, perhaps you have not noticed the insider analysis i have been working on. it has correctly predicted the last 4 booties with 100% accuracy: GC was everyone's guess, kelly was suspected by about half of our spoilers, as was dan, but ace was a long shot that the insider analysis nailed. so in this season of misdirection we may be able to develop insider analysis for more clues...i am working on this week's analysis and plan to finish it be the end of the day.
"RE: Collecting ALL clues here..."
Posted by michel on 11-03-08 at 05:58 PM
Does this mean I don't have to do the SOTS?

"RE: Collecting ALL clues here..."
Posted by Outfrontgirl on 11-03-08 at 06:23 PM
acck, I was working my way through the other three topics, the title, the teasers, and the vidcaps, and YES the clues needed to be collected. And I didn't see this had been updated! So I scattered my thoughts over all 3, trying to do some collecting in each topic.

FP wrote:
The highlighted daws in the promos: Randy, Matty, Sugar, Marcus, and on the back burner, Corrine, Charlie, Crystal.

well, I think Randy will be at TC so he can try to exercise his power. Otherwise all the hype is pointless. Going by VG's assessment that Randy is on nuFang (do we know how she put that together? I missed it) --

of the DAWS you list, Randy Matty Sugar Corrine Charlie would be on the tribe going to TC.

Marcus and Crystal would be the pre-IC misdirection, as we can imagine that Marcus is sweating over there with Crystal, Kenny, Susie (who he voted against), Bob (who is considered a possible flipper by the Onions).

Of the Daws you highlight, Marcus is in Danger but if I'm right, not going to TC.

Randy, Matty, Sugar are in my opinion the King or self-proclaimed puppetmaster, and his two possible targets.

Matty or Sugar. Matty is the most logical victim, but Randy and Sugar have some animosity, and she does have the idol. Will she be confident enough not to play it this time, because otherwise she is safe.

How would Randy go home? Only if he's dumb enough to target Sugar without enough votes to protect himself from her possible vote, and Matty's possible vote, and I don't see how he has the votes to do a safe idol flush.

The only safe vote is Matty, and try to worry Sugar into playing the idol.

The teaser does set up Randy to do something overconfident, but I would be surprised if he goes home. If he and Ace both went pre-merge, I can't see how the whole Good vs Evil theme would be able to play out enough in the endgame to justify running with it. (not that Ace was evil, but he was set up by editing to possibly be part of the Evil Empire, and Randy and Corinne are the only others with that edit.)