{Stay tuned for our special never-seen-before twist and watch MB as he votes off another two million viewers!}

{Losing must be punished. Winning must be punished. Wouldn't it be nice if the production department could make a decision? You can't convince me this wasn't a last-minute throw-in: Kota in all its incarnations has been doing too well for the show's taste, so they've decided to whittle them down a little just to remind them that no one loves a winner. Or a loser. Or, on this season, anyone.}

{I think we were always on track for a double-elimination: too many contestants, too few days, and the quit ratio has dropped significantly. GC was even able to wait for an actual vote.}

{I'd pay good money for a picture of his expression when someone finally got the concept of 'Sequesterville' through.}

{This isn't going to be Ken's best week. Keep-away as a Reward challenge? Gamer in the middle: toss his portable back and forth, then stuff it in your pocket and walk away! He'll be a twitching bundle of flashbacks after thirty seconds.}

{At least he knows he's safe at Council -- too weak to be a challenge threat, so he can anti-Darwin his way into the merge.}

{Poor, poor Jeff. All the idiocy, all the attempts to direct how Council goes, and what does he get for it? Giant log abuse.}

{Just checking -- do we have mergesign? This brings us down to ten.}

{Dunno, Shii Ann -- what's the precedent?}

{Ha. Ha. Look, I know it's this week or next: they can't postpone to eight. But we haven't heard anything about it.}

{There's a lot of things we haven't heard about this season. I just wish 'start time' had been on the list. And as far as lack of spoilers go, I think this may be the first season where everyone was too embarrassed to admit to having been on the crew.}

{Any chance of an idol play this week?}

{Sugar can't be that paranoid -- even if we're not feeling the unity, they've got to be, and that means it's time to dump the challenge threats before they get a chance to win anything.}

{In that case, why do people think Crystal's out?}

{The TV Guide Channel shot of the challenge board clearly showed a whine-off at F3. They can't take the chance.}

{That's the jury speeches.}

{You call it what you want, I'll call it what I want. And as far as that goes, I don't want Crystal on the jury, not even for entertainment value. She thought her shoes were too heavy to manage? Wait until she has to try and hold her mouth closed.}

{So Crystal and -- Dan? Why Dan? He's too dumb to be an intellectual threat, too unsteady for a physical force, offended too many people for any social upswing -- isn't there anyone else they could vote out?}

{Sure. Next question.}

{Okay... in case you missed it the first time, why Dan?}

{Default Answer #6.}

{Which is?}

{'It's Survivor. They're stupid.'}

• Live post-episode discussion --,Estee, 05:50 PM, 10-30-08
• Pre-credits,vince3, 08:02 PM, 10-30-08
  • Crystal can't get anything right.,Estee, 08:04 PM, 10-30-08
• RE: Survivor #17 Episode #7 East Coast Spoiler Thread,mysticwolf, 08:05 PM, 10-30-08
• Most.Boring.middle.days.EVER!,vince3, 08:06 PM, 10-30-08
• RE: Survivor #17 Episode #7 East Coast Spoiler Thread,vince3, 08:11 PM, 10-30-08
• Jeff gets to the point.,Estee, 08:13 PM, 10-30-08
• RE: Survivor #17 Episode #7 East Coast Spoiler Thread,vince3, 08:20 PM, 10-30-08
  • What about Bob?,Estee, 08:29 PM, 10-30-08
  • RE: Survivor #17 Episode #7 East Coast Spoiler Thread,skeetergirl87, 04:54 PM, 11-04-08
    • RE: Survivor #17 Episode #7 East Coast Spoiler Thread,b1whois, 06:21 PM, 11-04-08
• RE: Survivor #17 Episode #7 East Coast Spoiler Thread,vince3, 08:28 PM, 10-30-08
  • RE: Survivor #17 Episode #7 East Coast Spoiler Thread,Estee, 08:31 PM, 10-30-08
    • Then again...,Estee, 08:43 PM, 10-30-08
• Can Ken last thirty-nine days?,Estee, 08:33 PM, 10-30-08
• Turn of the cards,Estee, 08:40 PM, 10-30-08
• RE: Survivor #17 Episode #7 East Coast Spoiler Thread,vince3, 08:40 PM, 10-30-08
• Back to Fang,vince3, 08:49 PM, 10-30-08
• RE: Survivor #17 Episode #7 East Coast Spoiler Thread,vince3, 08:53 PM, 10-30-08
• ???,Estee, 08:58 PM, 10-30-08
  • RE: ???,Fishercat, 11:31 PM, 10-30-08
• RE: Survivor #17 Episode #7 East Coast Spoiler Thread,vince3, 09:07 PM, 10-30-08

-- will be at http://www.myinfochat.com/ using the Sports & Recreation room, immediately following the closing credits. Maybe we'll have five whole seconds of interesting footage to discuss. And maybe two seconds of that won't focus on elephants. (Have we figured out who the elephant is?)

Crystal spilled the rice box, and when they cooked the rice pot, she refused eating it as punishment........ No returning from TC footage this time.

And we get condensed credits to boot.

Introducing the series' first display of aggressive-passive.

I'm here, but dinner's almost ready and I need a meal today. I'll check back in later.

The only event from Day 19 was the rice spillage of Fang, and now we're at Kota on Day 20? Already? Good Grief.

Reward Challenge time!

LAST EDITED ON 10-30-08 AT 08:15 PM (EST)

Reward Challenge:

Keep away! 3 of one tribe trying to keep the attacker of the other tribe from keeping their breakable ball from breaking.... First to 3, wins!

Reward: Taken to a remote location with the stuff to have a very nice picnic.

Charlie, Corinne sitting for Kota

Kota won the first round, Sugar is the attacker in the 2nd round, but is being intimidated by Randy.

Sugar's useless as an attacker.

Kota leads 2-0

Dan and Matty attacking for round 3. Pass from Ace to Sugar bites the dust, Kota sweeps 3-0

Sugar gets her 5th consecutive trip to Exile, and Matty wants to dropkick her to the curb.

Kota gets flown to the picnic zone in a big ol' helicopter.

"Fang, I have nothing for you. I will never have anything for you. Your only reason for existing is so I can deny you things -- Sugar, where are you going? Aren't you going to wait for me to get Kota's word on your impending exile? You're just going over there on your own? Can you even hear me from over there?"

ExI. Is. Broken.

Letters from home given to them from the Pilot, it appears. Bob got a ton of letters, probably from both students and family.

Back to Exile Island to the Sugar Shack.

Crystal wants to get rid of Ace, Matty wants to get rid of Sugar, and we're already at Immunity!

Seems like we're on a rush to TCs tonight!

The scenery at the crater was wondrous.

The upswing in camera time Bob's receiving is terrifying. So are some of his words. The crater justified the whole trip? *sigh* Start the countdown.

By the way, did anybody see Randy get any letters? They showed him, but he was just sitting and looking at everyone else instead of hunched over a letter or something. I know that Randy isn't the most likeable guy, but surely there's somebody that would write him? Personally, I think he's hilarious, but I'm sure he's extremely annoying in large doses.

he did get a letter, you can see it in the insider clip from the show.

Immunity Challenge:

For individual immunity, both tribes to TC, both to vote someone out.

Drawings are random, you might get someone from opposing or same tribe.

First Round:

Dan vs. Ace Ace wins
Charlie vs. Crystal Charlie wins
Marcus vs. Matty Marcus wins
Randy vs. Susie Randy wins
Kenny vs. Sugar Sugar barely wins
Bob vs. Corinne to end first round (Bob was a lumberjack in a previous life? Who knew?) Bob wins with a backflip

Semi-final round:

Charlie vs. Ace Ace barely wins
Marcus vs. Randy Marcus wins
Sugar vs. Bob Sugar barely wins

Final Round:

Ace vs. Sugar vs Marcus last one gets the shiny necklace!

Sugar goes in first, Ace goes in second. Marcus wins individual immunity!

Marcus gets to read the twist scroll: You will now assign immunity to another player!

Sugar gets assigned the Fang necklace. She's now double-safe!

There are people in the history of this series who could use this position -- Immunity + Idol -- to completely switch up her tribe.

Sugar ain't any of them.

He's her snake.

You know. The dead one hanging off her belt.

He looks like he's got some health issues developing. I know he's our male Courtney for sheer lack of mass, but those shirtless shots showed a small ton of bug bites. He's slowly being turned into a mobile contour map -- and all it takes is one bad reaction to remove him from the game.

Ace:

Trumped.

After Kenny convinces Sugar to swing vote to kill Ace, Ace wants to borrow the HII in case of an attempted backstab.

Fang TC.

Crystal's rice spillage is the first topic for argument. Ace actually started defending Crystal, but Crystal goes off on Ace.

Will Sugar pass off the necklace? Nope.

Time to vote Fangs! Ace, Crystal (Ace, you're one of the snakes I've got to get rid of you, go home!), Matty (Crystal), Sugar, Ken

Anyone gonna play the HII? Nope.

Da Votes: Ace, Crystal, Ace, Crystal, Ace! Ace is the 7th person voted out. Ace: Thanks, Sugar! Sugar swing-voted Snake Ace out of the game!

(We'll head back to the afternoon next segment for Kota's afternoon deliberations and then TC)

Dan digs his own grave, and Susie commits social suicide!

Dan is afraid that he's on the Altar tonight.

Randy replaces Bob in the Kota 4 with Corinne, Marcus and Charlie........

They're targetting either Dan or Susie.

Charlie says that unless Susie screws up, Dan will be the one voted out. Susie was thinking before she was informed about the Dan decision that she was gonna vote out Corinne. Corinne wants to eviscerate Susie afterwards.

Randy wants Susie gone, NOW!

They're afraid that Dum-dum Dan has the HII.

Dan is seen as a potential grenade, so he gets a free pass, probably.......

Fang votes:

Susie, Dan, Dan, Susie, Dan, Suzie, Dan

Dammit, I had both on Spoiler Island and changed both to Crystal/Susie................

Why was part of Sugar's vote for Ace blurred?

The vote read Ace-Hole...which means that while "Ace" was perfectly acceptable and necessary, the "Hole" made it too close to, well, A-Hole.

Next time, both tribes get wine when they get to some kind of coastal beach and get naked and drunk!

Randy thinks he's the king of the world. The question is: Did they get to merge or are they now gonna live together but compete seperately like....... Thailand?