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"Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by Estee on 05-11-08 at 06:55 PM
Please keep all sigpic-free discussion of tonight's inevitable fiasco on this thread until 2 a.m. EDT. Or early morning. Or, ideally, 'never', which is about how much time this exercise in anti-Darwin social games merits in total discussion. We have lost the strong. The quick have fallen by the wayside, and the intelligent are about to be turned on by the lazy. What were the real themes of this season?

Fans Are Stupid.
Dumb Is Funny.
No One Is Capable Of Learning. (Also the primary theme for A.S.S. #1)
Deal With The Dumb, For We Will Give You No Other Choice.
Win? Who Would Want To Do That?

And of course:

Brace Yourself: The Next One Will Be Worse.

Sure, we had some laughs -- but where did they come from? In the most part, from mistakes of casting and play. People who never should have been in the game, trying to work it with methods that were doomed to fail. We celebrated when one person did one thing the way it was intended to be done -- because she was the only person who had made it work. Are we supposed to cheer when someone bothers to read the directions? Given this group, we're probably supposed to celebrate just because one person can read...

Fail to think. (Outwit.)
Fail to follow the game. (Outplay.)
Fail to win. (Outlast.)

It was funny, yes. But that's because on the most fundamental level, this season was a joke...


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"Meanwhile, in an alternate universe,,,"
Posted by Estee on 05-11-08 at 07:12 PM
{Do we have the Riddlemaster's clue yet?}

{Got it and solved it.}

{..and do the rest of us get a chance?}

{'The composer of One Shining Moment can expect two checks.' Let me know if anyone gets a secondary meaning for that.}

{Light glances off Natalie's forehead and blinds the others, leaving her as the only one capable of finishing the challenge?}

{I'm going to go out on a limb and say 'no'.}

{Anyone know the theme for next season?}

{Same as nearly-usual: Survivor: Morons vs. Idiots.}

{We were wondering where Mumbles Adam would turn up next...}

{Any chance Cirie wins the final Immunity?}

{No, but I'll give you good odds that she talks whoever does into giving her the gaudy.}

{Celebrating pure mediocrity since 2000, *sigh* I knew we'd never match the heights again, but I'm getting tired of trying to be happy when two brain cells fire in a row...}

{Breaking spoiler! Jason is going to write his own name down on the parchment and try to force a tie!}

{With who?}

{Possibly Chet.}

{Who's Chet?}

{The quitter -- sorry, not specific enough. The terminally miscast -- right, got to narrow that down. The total waste of protoplasm -- can I get a little help here?}

{Not from the casting department.}

{Somebody help me! I've been in this thread for five whole minutes! I don't remember where my snacks are! I've lost my memory of where I stuck the beer! My God, I can't feel my sigpic!}

"RE: Meanwhile, in an alternate universe,,,"
Posted by Snidget on 05-11-08 at 07:34 PM
Well if you hardly ever use a sigpic, maybe that is why it has cut off psychic contact.

Waiting to see if they go all weather all the time for any sprinkles that may be in the area. Tornado warning is supposed to go off at 8 pm, and they are showing 60 minutes, but it's sacred so they probably aren't allowed to broadcast weather over it.

Finally caught CSI and they found the 3 people that need to have their hands held by their imaginary friends in the box whenever a raindrop falls to make an ad to run during the rebroadcast shows about how nice it was to have someone. anyone, read the teleprompter to them because they couldn't have managed if they'd had to read those words themselves.

*sigh*

So maybe, just maybe I'll be here, but I'm not holding my breath.

"RE: Meanwhile, in an alternate universe,,,"
Posted by Snidget on 05-11-08 at 08:15 PM
It really is an alternate universe...

Thunder, lightening, rain AND they are just scrolling warnings across the bottom of the screen.

WHAT ABOUT SAVING LIVES!!!!!

"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by Max Headroom on 05-11-08 at 07:29 PM
I wonder how many minutes we'll waste this episode "honoring the fallen Survivors".

*grumble*

"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 05-11-08 at 07:34 PM
LAST EDITED ON 05-11-08 AT 07:36 PM (EST)

And how many minutes will they spend replaying Yau's bodycheck of Jonny's face into the canoe? Chet being dragged around the obstacle course by Joel? Kathleen gradually going insane?

I think we're going to be treated to an inordinate amount of time replaying the bonehead TC moments of Ozzy, Jason and Erik, as well as Amanda's twirl of the HII.

It's been a rather good season for quotes, hopefully they'll replay some of them. One example...

Chet: "I hit my head."
Joel: "I don't care."
Chet: "Yeah, I know."


"Immunity Challenge"
Posted by Snidget on 05-11-08 at 08:24 PM
Draw water up with rope to top of pole.
Pour water in bamboo pipe to raise keys
Take keys to shore once you can reach them and unlock chest.
Build ladder, 16 rungs each has one slot it fits in.
Climb ladder raise flat.

Amanda wins Immunity.

"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by Fishercat on 05-11-08 at 08:25 PM
Does anyone smell a possible return to the Final 2?
"Tribal Council"
Posted by Snidget on 05-11-08 at 08:39 PM
Jeff tosses out how would things change if this was a final two as a question.

Cirie feels she'd be on the bottom run of the alliance, again.

Natalie voted out 3:1

"RE: Tribal Council"
Posted by anotherkim on 05-11-08 at 09:03 PM
who did nat vote for? my dvr didn't record.

*grumble*

"RE: Tribal Council"
Posted by vince3 on 05-11-08 at 09:08 PM
Cirie
"RE: Tribal Council"
Posted by cahaya on 05-12-08 at 00:00 AM
Just to add, I was glad she was voted out. She played hardball and the "nice ladies" pretty much had to vote her out. Gutsy, but venomous the way she show how she'd slap Erik.

Kudos to the dude. Out of his element, really, and too nice a guy in a way. The F2 played out from all this.

"What was that?"
Posted by mysticwolf on 05-11-08 at 08:41 PM
I just replayed it twice...

Jeff: The person voted out tonight is Natalie. Cirie, that's enough - bring me your torch.

Major editing screw up? Will it be a final two, or did he simply misspeak?

"RE: What was that?"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 05-11-08 at 08:48 PM
Well... if there *is* a F2 and it's between Parvati and Amanda, then I think Amanda might have just lost a vote from Cirie. They had a little donnybrook on the way back from TC about Cirie's perception she's at the bottom of the totem pole, and Amanda's bawling again just like she did at F3 in China.


"RE: What was that?"
Posted by flystorms on 05-11-08 at 09:28 PM
>I just replayed it twice...
>
>Jeff: The person voted out tonight
>is Natalie. Cirie, that's enough
>- bring me your torch.
>
>
>Major editing screw up? Will it
>be a final two, or
>did he simply misspeak?


Just replayed it a couple times and he really said, "Natalie, you've experienced enough. Bring me your torch."

"RE: What was that?"
Posted by mysticwolf on 05-11-08 at 09:45 PM
Um, disagree. The syllabic meter of his sentance doesn't fit, not to mention that I distinctly heard "Cirie", and Cirie actually was voted out next.
"RE: What was that?"
Posted by vince3 on 05-11-08 at 09:55 PM
I'll let ya know what CC says when the program stops taping, in about 100 minutes (I usually tape extra on Sundays, just in case....)
"RE: What was that?"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 05-11-08 at 10:01 PM
I was watching with CC and I didn't see Cirie's name at all.
"RE: What was that?"
Posted by nailbone on 05-11-08 at 11:39 PM
But at the time he supposedly said that, he had no way of knowing that Cirie would be next.


"RE: What was that?"
Posted by vince3 on 05-12-08 at 03:37 AM
This is what my CC says Jeff said at the F4 TC:

14th person voted out and the 7th member of our jury, Natalie.

That's 3.

That's enough.

"RE: What was that?"
Posted by Brownroach on 05-12-08 at 10:53 AM
LAST EDITED ON 05-12-08 AT 12:37 PM (EST)

Three what -- votes? He showed all the votes and she couldn't possibly have gotten more than three votes, why would he say "That's enough"?



Bleauin' ze bleus eaué, coeurtesie oeuf agmanne

"RE: What was that?"
Posted by vince3 on 05-12-08 at 12:29 PM
I chalk that one up to force of habit, just like "I'll go tally the votes when Amanda was the only vote at F3........
"RE: What was that?"
Posted by Brownroach on 05-12-08 at 12:40 PM
I noticed he said votes, plural, there too. It sounded pretty dumb.



Bleauin' ze bleus eaué, coeurtesie oeuf agmanne

"RE: What was that?"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 05-12-08 at 05:13 PM
Three. Cirie.

They rhyme and I would presume they have the same syllabic meter. Maybe it's just the sound effects and/or filtering of sounds, but that's where one's ear could interpret it as "three" and another's ear interprets it as "Cirie"...


"It's a Final 2!"
Posted by vince3 on 05-11-08 at 08:49 PM
You'd think that they would've noticed that they didn't do the Fallen Comrades on the way to the F4 Immunity Challenge........

They get Treemail saying that they get to go to Exile Island and the torches of the 17 Fallen Comrades, pay their respects and then travel to their Final Immunity Challenge.

"RE: It's a Final 2!"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 05-11-08 at 08:52 PM
They're also apparently mathematically challenged... you'd think they could count and figure out "hey, it's night 37" so that would mean there would be another challenge to get down to two for Day 39.


"RE: It's a Final 2!"
Posted by vince3 on 05-11-08 at 08:56 PM
I said something like that in the Bar on Thursday night....... That the Burial of Erik was on night 36 and unless they either had a day off or a day 37 RC, there were good odds for a F2......
"Gee, Thanks, EPMB"
Posted by mysticwolf on 05-11-08 at 08:53 PM
It is going to be an F2. So, now the question is:

1) Was the editing effed up and do we now know that Cirie is the next to go? Or

2) In a season of blindsides, was the editing done that way on purpose and will the final blindside be on us, the viewers?

"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by anotherkim on 05-11-08 at 09:07 PM
booo hisssss! a challenge where they get breaks between rounds? wtf?

this would be better earlier on but for final immunity? i don't like it.

"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by vince3 on 05-11-08 at 09:11 PM
plus the fact that if you drop the ball between periods, or Jeff doing the countdown to begin the round you're still safe, and if during the countdown, they reset and try again..........

Besides, wasn't the China FIC something similar, involving fine china?

"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by vince3 on 05-11-08 at 09:08 PM
This Final Immunity is a cross between endurance and balance........

They must use two handles to balance a metal ball on a center piece that has a notch for that ball. Every 5 minutes, they set the thing down and add two pieces to go around the center piece.... (the pieces aren't supported......)

"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by vince3 on 05-11-08 at 09:13 PM
Amanda wins the Final Immunity Challenge. It ended up going to the final level, and Cirie had a drop during the countdown of the round after Parvati was eliminated, but they reset because it was during that countdown.........
"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by mysticwolf on 05-11-08 at 09:16 PM
And, I assume we have our answer to the question I posed. The editing was effed up.

If she votes for Parvati she breaks her word that she'll never vote for Parvati, thereby losing Parvati's vote and not gaining Cirie's vote since Cirie's in the final with her.

"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by blacknwhitedog on 05-12-08 at 09:01 AM
re: tribal- he didn't say "Cirie" he said "that's three"
"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by mysticwolf on 05-11-08 at 09:20 PM
Parvati's not doing herself any favors by pointing out that Cirie screwed over more people that she has. That Cirie is making the same argument makes more sense. Except, if she takes Cirie the jury may give it to her for the outwitting part.

Amanda faces a conundrum.

"Amanda votes..."
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 05-11-08 at 09:24 PM
Cirie out of the game... Parvati to F2.
"RE: Amanda votes..."
Posted by cahaya on 05-11-08 at 09:36 PM
Now the jury takes over.

"RE: Amanda votes..."
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 05-11-08 at 09:42 PM
Impressive death stare from Ozzy while Parvati was making her spiel. If looks could have killed, that was one.

James also gave a major eye roll when Parv commented she had a reputation as a flirt coming into the game.

Interesting. It doesn't look like Parv is getting either of their votes...

"RE: Amanda votes..."
Posted by cahaya on 05-11-08 at 09:49 PM
Woo... we go from someone who says they almost literally killed themselves (go ahead, it'd be one less vote to worry about) tosomeone who wants to know about Parv's, er, um, intimacies.

"RE: Amanda votes..."
Posted by dabo on 05-12-08 at 00:34 AM
Did Nat out herself or was I imagining that?
"RE: Amanda votes..."
Posted by PsychoKitty on 05-15-08 at 09:20 PM
Yeah I wonder; Natalie's question was way over the top weird.
"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by mysticwolf on 05-11-08 at 09:29 PM
Effed up editing. Cirie's gone.

But, Amanda's crying over her decision may not do her any favors. She's soooo upset about voting one of them out and dissappointing one of them...

From the eyerolling on the jury they may give her her wish - that she not dissappoint them - and give the win to Parvati.

After all, given what she just said, isn't that a win-win?

"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by vince3 on 05-11-08 at 09:36 PM
Win or lose, Amanda has set a record that will take something like bringing back the Palau/Guatemala twosome of Stephenie or Bobby John back for a third chance to break...... She has survived 78 days in this game, in the span of less than 6 months!
"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by Snidget on 05-11-08 at 09:48 PM
WTF does Parv's bedroom antics have to do with the game?

What the heck is going on in Nat's head?

"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by Fishercat on 05-11-08 at 09:58 PM
I can see the parallel. Parvati's flirting, or her gameplay, as compared to her bedroom life, or her votes. Not a good analogy but I get it.

What the ##### was Ozzy doing. I want to go puke.

"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by cahaya on 05-11-08 at 10:00 PM
What the heck is going on in Nat's head?

Face it, Nat would blackmail Parv out of her million if she thought she could get away with it. Methinks she's still looking for a way to scoop up the million, even from the jury.

"So Ozzy's voting for Parvati"
Posted by Dragonfire on 05-11-08 at 09:57 PM
Joking...seriously, I kinda teared up there at the end when he said you took 14 days I could have spent with Amanda. Anyone know if their together?
"I hope so"
Posted by moonbaby on 05-11-08 at 10:01 PM
that was SO out of place and sweet-good for him for admitting how he felt.

"Hey Ozzy?"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 05-11-08 at 09:59 PM
Oh shut up.

There's a reason why the motto's "Outwit, Outplay, Outlast."

Don't take it out on Parvati because she did exactly that to you. Idiot.

"RE: Hey Ozzy?"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 05-11-08 at 10:01 PM
I understand why he's upset with her. Supposedly they have been really close between Survivor's.
"Parvati Wins by 1"
Posted by Dragonfire on 05-11-08 at 10:10 PM
LAST EDITED ON 05-11-08 AT 10:14 PM (EST)

I mean by 2...sorry.

I can't believe Amanda lost again...I though she had the edge going in...oh well, great season.

"RE: Parvati Wins by 1"
Posted by nailbone on 05-11-08 at 11:33 PM
Amanda handed Parv the money with her answer to Cirie's question. Instead saying "I voted for Parv because I knew that you, Cirie, played the best game, and would have beaten me", she basically made Parv's case for her that Parv played a better game than Amanda did.


"RE: Parvati Wins by 1"
Posted by mysticwolf on 05-12-08 at 01:17 AM
That's what we said, too. The only answer to "why take Parv over me" should have been "because I didn't think I could beat you, given your strategic moves". Feeds the ego, while - in many ways - telling the truth. I think Cirie would have respected that.
"RE: Parvati Wins by 1"
Posted by realitytvfan07 on 05-12-08 at 02:10 AM
My thoughts exactly. Glad to know others noticed that too. Up until she answered Cirie's question I thought Amanda was a shoo in to win but with the way she praised Parv it would have been kinda hard for the jury not to vote for Parv.
"Amanda's answer to Cirie"
Posted by byoffer on 05-12-08 at 09:18 AM
I actually paused the viewing to explain that to my kids. Build up Cirie wins her vote, and knocks down Parv at the same time.

I like Amanda, and really wanted her to win, but this is the second time that she has thrown away a million dollars with her responses to the jury. Despite the records, she really doesn't get this game.

"RE: Parvati Wins by 1"
Posted by samboohoo on 05-12-08 at 10:36 AM
I can believe Amanda lost again. She is not that great of a player. She is certainly not the master strategist she thinks she is. She made no moves prior to losing Ozzy. None. And she is not the one who kept Eric in the game, Ozzy did. Amanda followed along. I was not a Cirie fan early on because I didn't agree with voting out the stronger people, but Cirie was the mastermind. And then Parv was agressive and played. Amanda won when she needed to.

I think Eliza and Alexis nailed it with their speeches to her, and kudos for them in doing so. Glad Amanda lost. Again. Hopefully I've seen the last of her blurred butt, puppy-dog eyes and bitter, sore loser boyfriend for this lifetime.


Tribe is pushing up my daisies!


"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by vince3 on 05-11-08 at 10:10 PM
By a vote of 5-3, Parvati is the winner!
"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by cahaya on 05-11-08 at 10:24 PM
Well done by Parvati, and her final words to the jury may have just made the difference.

"I KNEW IT!!"
Posted by anotherkim on 05-11-08 at 10:11 PM

I have said all along that I thought Parvati would win. Then I second guessed myself today on the PTTE thread. Grrrr.

Parvati deserved it--she was the key layer in the alliance and, like I've said before, without her recruiting Alexis and Nat, the 3 girls would never have made it to the end.

Once again, I think Amanda's hyper sensitive boohooing, sad eyed mooning cost her the votes.

"RE: I KNEW IT!!"
Posted by vince3 on 05-11-08 at 10:14 PM
You weren't the only one. I had picked Parv for Spoiler Island, and originally for AVG, but I changed it and put Amanda as my winner for both the AVG and LoserLodge........
"Oh My Heck"
Posted by RudyRules on 05-11-08 at 10:18 PM
What were the jurors thinking to vote for Parv over Amanda?
<maybe Amanda has me in her spell>


A TP production!
Ready to change my name to AmandaRules

"RE: Oh My Heck"
Posted by Fishercat on 05-11-08 at 10:24 PM
Significantly better strategic player, not a blubbering whiner, didn't get into a spat over Cirie about who was at the bottom of the alliance, didn't have King Douche as her boyfriend, fully admitted faults and successes, want me to go on?
"RE: Oh My Heck"
Posted by Ahtumbreez on 05-11-08 at 10:26 PM
Amanda does herself in during jury questions. Not once did she point out her immunity run, nor her HII acting. And I think her answer to whoever asked if she would have told Ozzy about the blindside cost her a tie.
"RE: Oh My Heck"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 05-11-08 at 10:27 PM
Because Amanda is easily the worst final TC performer of all time.

Both times, I thought Amanda had it in the bag going into the final TC based on game performance and relationships with other people and both times she colossally blew it with her inability to find the killer instinct.

Parvati played a great game with all the strategic moves and she did far better answering Q&As with the jury than Amanda. So... kudos to Parvati for closing the deal and deserving the title of Sole Survivor.

What a great season overall, with all the backstabbing, strategizing, blindsides, and alliance-workings!

"RE: Oh My Heck"
Posted by anotherkim on 05-11-08 at 10:38 PM
Agreed.

I think she is so sincere that she comes off as an arse kisser who answers like a beauty pagen contestant. She just seems sooooo fake at TC.

Parv made her points about her dominance AND didn't try to sort of 'undo' her moves that had to be made. And, fwiw, imo, Parvati did far more to advance their alliance.

"RE: Oh My Heck"
Posted by blacknwhitedog on 05-12-08 at 09:07 AM
It seemed to me Amanda's only strategy was to look boohoo sad at Tribal Councils. I think it's kind of funny she lost twice in a row- ha, ha! Parv was much more of a player.
"RE: Oh My Heck"
Posted by cahaya on 05-11-08 at 10:27 PM
<maybe Amanda has me in her spell>

And Parv had the gals in her spell, if the votes are anything to go by. Yeah, I would have voted Amanda, too.

"RE: Oh My Heck"
Posted by ulalame on 05-12-08 at 03:06 AM
Amanda played a heck of a game, both in China and here.

She lost herself the game by not being able to speak for herself at final tribal council. She needed to say WHY she deserved to win, rather than just "I like you all."

I just wish Amanda had picked Cerie to go to the final 2, because if somebody had to beat her, I sure as hell wish it were Cerie rather than Poverty Shallow. Cerie played a darn good game, and what a season to return to a final two! Against the three of them, Cerie would have surely won. Between the two, Amanda and Parvati, I'd love to have heard the votes after the fact, once they saw the show, and if they'd still have voted for her over Amanda.

Parvati just rubbed me the wrong way the whole time, and both Amanda and Cerie's game play and strategy stood much more strongly on its own, whereas Poverti's game stood mainly on the fan girls' backs that she took advantage of, then screwed over, and who subsequently voted for her. Go figure.

I was SO SURE that a person I was rooting for on a reality show that I fanatically followed was FINALLY going to win tonight. Am bummed that didn't happen.

"Bah."
Posted by moonbaby on 05-11-08 at 10:21 PM
And I suppose I would have said the same thing if Amanda won so...

WHATEVAH!

Cirie should have won.

"RE: Bah."
Posted by dabo on 05-12-08 at 00:44 AM
This is twice now Cirie would have won had she made Final, IMO. She manipulates everything she can in her own favor and they all let her get away with it, just an amazing player.
"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by anotherkim on 05-11-08 at 10:58 PM

Two best lines of the night--both from Ozzy when asked if he and Amanda were still together (my paraphrasing)

Well, Jeff, you know how those Survivor girls can be....*camera cuts to Jeff's bemusedly uncomfortable reaction*

AND

Because I had become so popular, I had to quit waiting tables and clean toilets *people ever where mentally jeer at Denise**


I like Ozzy.

"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by Jims02 on 05-12-08 at 00:00 AM
I think the right person won tonight, from that Final 2. Ideally, I would've wanted Cirie, but Parvati played arguably the strongest game this season. She was in the driver's seat for EVERY.SINGLE.VOTE, and managed to straddle two alliances at one (Alexis/Nat & Cirie/Amanda).

The only thing she'd didn't have control over was Amanda's F3 vote. Still, Amanda loses several "strategy points" over her for being suckered on the Ozzy vote... And dropping the ball horribly on Cirie's question (as Nailbone pointed out already). She just doesn't know how to handle a jury.

It would've been tough, though, because giving Parvati a million dollars wouldn't be that fun. Who was the other vote for Amanda? Probably James, I suspect.

Overall, just a fantastic season. It ranks up there with Borneo, Australia, and Pearl Islands for me.

...And now, off to read the Spoilers for this season. It's always fun to see how much was spoiled each season.

"Boo"
Posted by cycles2k on 05-12-08 at 00:57 AM
LAST EDITED ON 05-12-08 AT 01:18 AM (EST)

I was sure that Amanda had it in the bag. How wrong I was.

Amanda made it to the final in back to back survivors. Last time she lost to Todd (a lying manipulative b....) and this time she lost to Parvati (a lying manipulative flirt). She obviously deserved to be there but seems to have been denied for two reasons:
- She brings the wrong people to the final.
- She has no idea how to sell herself to the jury.

It was a foregone conclusion that Natalie and the jealous motivational speaker (I forget her name already) would vote for Parvati but I really thought the others would value Amanda's challenge skill and loyalty. Seems that those things weren't as important to these people as the ability to lie and manipulate.

OK, I'm done ranting now.

Edited to fix typos. OK, this time I'm really done ranting (unless of course, somebody creates a thread for Parvati bashing).

"RE: Boo"
Posted by dabo on 05-12-08 at 01:09 AM
Eliza - Parvati
Ozzy - Amanda
Jason - Parvati
James - Amanda
Alexis - Parvati
Erik - Amanda
Natalie - Parvati
Cirie - Parvati
"RE: Boo"
Posted by jenniferlyn on 05-12-08 at 01:11 AM
I was just telling my nephew how centuries ago people's last names were based on what you did for a living... (Baker, etc.) Wonder of wonders that Parv's last name is SHALLOW?? LOL
"RE: Boo"
Posted by esquire on 05-12-08 at 10:19 AM
So Parv gets the votes of all the girls.
Amanda gets the votes of all the guys except Jason

Girlpower decides it

"RE: Boo"
Posted by Loree on 05-12-08 at 01:13 AM
I went into tonight thinking Amanda would beat Parvati in the final TC. But then I watched her after the F4 and at the F3 TCs and realized she did it again. She jumped on Cirie about what she said at TC. She did the same in China. Then she cried when she had to boot Cirie. The jury did not like Amanda acting all upset. They preferred Parvati at least admitting her actions. I really think this is just the type of person Amanda is and she can't change. Amanda never told the jury that she had to fight and win those immunity idols to stay in the game. Amanda would have gone earlier if she had not found the hidden idol and won those other challenges. Instead she cried about booting Cirie and the jury thought she was weak and fake. Parvati was not sorry for what she had to do. Amanda was. That seemed to be the difference.

I am actually happy Cire did not make the F2. Her strategy seemed to be to make the F3. She was blindsided by the fact it was a F2 this time and she had not made any F2 plans. They even had a challenge that should have played to her strengths and she couldn't do it.

And how about James winning back to back votes by the public for being the fave. Gotta love James.

"RE: Boo"
Posted by dabo on 05-12-08 at 01:53 AM
Yeah. She should have paid attention to what Eliza said, Eliza wanted like anything not to vote for Parvati. But Parvati stood up for herself, Amanda banked on just playing it out and winning the anti-Parvati vote.

"RE: Boo"
Posted by Brownroach on 05-12-08 at 10:42 AM
LAST EDITED ON 05-12-08 AT 10:49 AM (EST)

I didn't watch last season, so I don't know how Amanda acted at the final TC. But if I'd had an inkling how she was going to act in last night's episode, I'd have switched my pick to Parvati (who I was thinking would win all along, until Amanda got such a huge positive upswing in the penultimate episodes).



Bleauin' ze bleus eaué, coeurtesie oeuf agmanne

"So whut's the prize for"
Posted by IceCat on 05-12-08 at 04:16 AM

... Miss Congeniality at this pagent?

It sure ain't no million dollars!

"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by Outfrontgirl on 05-12-08 at 04:57 AM
I hate it that Parvati won. I hated that they cast her. I hated watching her. I despise everything about her, with Alexis coming in as second most despicable. The two of them make me embarrassed to be female. And this in a field of people to despise that includes Natalie.

I liked everything about this season except I always had this ill feeling in the pit of my stomach that Poverty would win ... I don't even care about gameplay this season.

I would rather have seen Stephame win this game, and that says a lot.

"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by ulalame on 05-12-08 at 05:28 AM
I hate that Parvati won as well.

I'm a girl. I loved seeing the girls come together into a workable unit. I loved seeing Amanda work it after the ouster of Ozzy. I loved seeing Cerie work it out how to get Erik out.

Parvati was not part of that. Parvati got in good with the fans, and in the immediate aftermath, she got herself the votes.

I would much rather Amanda take Cerie and Cerie beat her. That was the worst possible outcome.

"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by Flowerpower on 05-12-08 at 08:02 AM
LAST EDITED ON 05-12-08 AT 08:04 AM (EST)

Wow, I really wanted Amanda to win, but alas, she did not learn from Todd....she needed to fight for herself and she did not. Simple as that. Parv deserved the win in that she stopped at nothing to get it. After reading Erik's blog one can assume that Parv used her sexuality on both James and Natalie...WOW. Erik said in it that he didn't realize just how *close* Natalie and Parv were and that we would see on the last show...he was right, she was called out by Natalie. She definately played the men and it appears the women. Cirie played the "boys" but did it with a lot more class.

More importantly, hats off to those that nailed Parv as the winner. Especially Michel, who picked her to win well before the midway mark. Clearly the end game player that appears more hidden in the editing at the end comes up on top...so to speak!

Fun season, and congrats!

"the question Jeff didn't ask"
Posted by blacknwhitedog on 05-12-08 at 09:12 AM
LAST EDITED ON 05-12-08 AT 09:15 AM (EST)

During the reunion, I kept waiting for Jeff to ask how the votes would have gone if Amanda had taken Cirie to the final 2 instead of Parv- he usually asks that- could Cirie have won against Amanda?

P.S. Definitely an entertaining season. I thought they said they would "never" go back to Africa again?

"RE: the question Jeff didn't ask"
Posted by Snidget on 05-12-08 at 09:23 AM
My guess about Africa.

1. When they said that I don't think they knew they were going to have this many seasons.

2. I'm guessing it is more they wouldn't go back to that environment in Africa. There is a lot of ecological diversity to Africa (it isn't all desert and savanna) so it may be they found a place different enough in climate and where one could actually do the show that it was worth going back.

"RE: the question Jeff didn't ask"
Posted by anotherkim on 05-12-08 at 07:49 PM
I think it was more 'never go to some place without water' again. The lack of a river or an ocean really made things much harder and a helluva lot more boring.

Looks like their next locale is gorgeous!

"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by Lasann on 05-12-08 at 10:00 AM
LAST EDITED ON 05-12-08 AT 10:00 AM (EST)

Just read through the thread.

Impressions:

1. Cirie didn't deserve to win because she couldn't win a challenge if all the other contestants had one leg.
2. Perv-a-ti didn't deserve to win because she is so arrogant:
not even trying to find the idol; so dang positive that she should be picked over Cirie. I hate fake women. Okay maybe that was more a personal dislike but she did nothing in challenges to get herself there.
3. Amanda may not make the best case for herself but she evaded a sure eviction, survived after Ozzy left although most wanted her gone, and she won challenges when she needed. Those who think Perv-a-ti kept Amanda safe may want to think that Amanada kept herself safe with her alliance with Perv.

I'm surprised that Hollywood hasn't scooped James up. I think they will. He has an infectious smile, awesome abs, and a innocence that is charming. Wow Wow for the $100,000.

As another posted said I also thought that finally, finally a person that I like won! But NO!

*sobs*


Edited to remove siggie.

"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by catsnotkids on 05-12-08 at 10:37 AM
ITA on all fronts.

I also was expecting that finally I'd be happy with the winner, but it wasn't meant to be...

Too bad Amanda couldn't have strategized a little better during the jury questioning, although I suspect that the minds of the juries were really made up - I don't trust Eliza at all... the producers might have just told her to act agonized.

Great season, all in all, too bad it didn't turn out as it might have.

"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by samboohoo on 05-12-08 at 11:13 AM
IMO, it wasn't just the final TC that Amanda lost on. One thing she should have learned from China and either didn't or forgot is what PG said about the whole "doe eyes." She forgot to leave those in China, and the jury was sick of those and her.



Tribe is pushing up my daisies!


"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 05-12-08 at 12:51 PM

>2. Perv-a-ti didn't deserve to
>win because she is so
>arrogant:
>not even trying to find the
>idol; so dang positive that
>she should be picked over
>Cirie. I hate fake
>women. Okay maybe that
>was more a personal dislike
>but she did nothing in
>challenges to get herself there.

I thought she did more than anyone else to secure a win in this game. Parvati was the one who hedged her bets by creating a second alliance with Alexis and Natalie -- and that won her the game by securing their votes and ensuring she had a Plan B. Cirie did a lot of manipulating herself but she shot herself at the F4 TC by saying she just latched onto an alliance already in place with Ozmanda and Parv/James.

Last I saw, it was Outplay, Outwit and Outlast. Parvati did two of these better than Amanda, so that makes her more deserving of the win. Doing something in challenges isn't the sole criteria for winning the game. Parvati really did a great job with all the blindsides that she, along with Cirie, had a hand in on most of them.


"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by samboohoo on 05-12-08 at 01:57 PM
Agree.



Tribe is pushing up my daisies!


"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by anotherkim on 05-12-08 at 07:58 PM
agreed...I'll keep repeating this because I'm just that repetitive...Parvati made the game-winning move by not just recruiting Alexis and Natalie, but creating a friendship/relationship with them. Had she not done this, she and Amanda and Cirie would not have had the numbers to boot Ozzy and Jason like they did. By creating a realtionship w/ trust, they could stir the pot at will. And they did.

Also, I think it is quite telling that all of the other members of the girl power alliance voted for Parvati and the pizzed off blind-sided guys voted for Amanda. They wouldn't have voted just on popularity for Parvati. Obviously they saw her as a strategist.

I think the three women were the strongest and most strategic alliance I've ever seen. Any of them COULD have won because they put themselves in their situation. They each had a separate set of strengths (Cirie was a great reader of personalities and thinker; Parvati could make friends with a stump, Amanda was a physical player. All three had the ability to look at the big picture and think of a varity of possibilities).

"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by PsychoKitty on 05-15-08 at 09:31 PM
You both make really good points. So I guess Pervarty deserved to win. I should be happy for her, but she really rubs me the wrong way!!!!

ACK! I wanted Ol'DoeEyes to win it

"The Other Romance"
Posted by samboohoo on 05-12-08 at 11:25 AM
Am I the only one who thought it might have been Nat/Parv?



Tribe is pushing up my daisies!


"more on the reunion"
Posted by blacknwhitedog on 05-12-08 at 12:01 PM
Does Johnny Fairplay have a ugly baby or what- poor kid!

Kind of sad about Mikey B's mom- he gave her a nice tribute.

Ozzy's comments about "cleaning toilets" cracked.me.up! (ouch Denise)

"RE: more on the reunion"
Posted by samboohoo on 05-12-08 at 02:00 PM
Did Fairplay ask Jeff to hug his baby? I think I missed that part.

I really wasn't impressed with Ozzy's comments. I don't know. Maybe if he had not been such a poor-sport, sorry loser aras at the final TC, I might have laughed. Really, I thought it was just a lame attempt at making up for his stupidity and crappy attitude.



Tribe is pushing up my daisies!


"RE: more on the reunion"
Posted by mrc on 05-12-08 at 03:49 PM
I liked Jeff's blow-off of Fairplay. He's had his 15 minutes and needs to disappear.


"Early Show"
Posted by blueahh on 05-12-08 at 07:54 PM
What happened to the Early Show? Don't they usually have the final four contestants? I wanted to hear them ask Natalie about her off the wall TC question.
"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by Runnr3003 on 05-12-08 at 10:05 PM
Well, WHAT A SEASON!!! I have to say, that was the best season ever! Congrats to Parvati! Congrats to everyone, they did a great job! I'm happy that James won 100k, thats very cool. I too think, and hope, that Hollywood picks James up and puts him into movies - and his Dad! His Dad is cute, but James... <drooling...> is a TOTAL hunk! I was hoping Amanda would win, but I guess it wasnt meant to be. In my opinion, she too deserves 100k for going back to back seasons. Does anyone know if she gets any money or not?

I have a question.. Was it just me, or did Jeffy look like crap on the reunion show for the first 10-15 minutes? He looked very pale, and his hair looked weird. Honestly, I thought he looked very ill or something. But then a different camera would be showing him, and he looked a little better - but not much. Maybe he had a bad cold or something... I didnt think he was his typical animated self either. Maybe he's got the blues from his breakup with Julie??

"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by NZChick on 05-13-08 at 00:37 AM
Greetings from New Zealand! I am a long time lurker on this message board and always read posts to find out what has happened as we are about 2 weeks behind with the show. Call me impatient but you guys do a great job! Love how you work things out from vidcaps, editing etc.

It always fascinates me that some people can't see what this game is about and are so quick to slam a person like Parvati. I think one of the most critical moves in the game was when Parvati voted against Ozzy. It set the women up to be in a very strong position. How can anyone therefore begrudge her of winning and how dare Ozzy be so bitter and twisted. He got outwitted big time. Parvati played the game and won - whether you like her or not, she deserved it.

Finally, I can't understand how some people who post here are so quick to say how much they hate Parvati (and others) when they don't even know them. Thats one of the biggest problems in the world today - we are so quick to judge others.

Anyway, hopefully we will get the next season down here and I can watch and lurk once again!


"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by kingfish on 05-14-08 at 11:44 AM
Welcome NZ, good to see you joining in.

And I agree, Parvati played a good game, was one a few who IMO brought the game play aspect of Survivor to new heights this season. Ozzy was a sore loser, and a bit of an egoist. But he seemed to have recovered from his having his feelings hurt by the final show, and hopefully he can now appreciate how his game play was inferior to various others.

It just goes to show that the physical threats are not the ones to fear in this game. It's the sneaky ones, like Parvati, the Cirie (what a game she played), Amanda (final 3/2 in both seasons, whatever she does, she does it better than most) and Natalie (her game was definitely superior to that of most Favorites as well as Fans this season).

My only criticism would have to do with the medical emergencies. Somehow, they should have access to sufficient first aid supplies, in camp, so that they can prevent minor cuts from becoming a major thing. Having the Doc on call is nice, but apparently not sufficient.

"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by dabo on 05-15-08 at 02:07 AM
Welcome aboard. I think most of us realize these people are edited for dramatic presentation.
"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by Snidget on 05-13-08 at 06:40 AM
"Does anyone know if she gets any money or not?"

Everyone on the show gets money. The longer you last the more money you make. Not sure if the pay out schedule is still the same but I think second place is in the $50K range.

"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by Brownroach on 05-13-08 at 10:58 AM
Second place has always paid $100,000. Then it starts going down by increments of 15k, then 10K, then smaller amounts. In Season 1 the first bootee (Sonia) received $2500 if I remember correctly.



Bleauin' ze bleus eaué, coeurtesie oeuf agmanne

"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by citywitch on 05-15-08 at 05:12 PM
I'm happy to hear those figures. Amanda didn't do too badly, then...$200K for 78 days

"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by byoffer on 05-15-08 at 06:36 PM
$200K and a lot of increase to her DAW factor. She has a website now selling pictures of herself, and other opportunities will come up for a good looking DAW like her.


"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by dabo on 05-15-08 at 07:12 PM
According to her RTVW interview she should be in Hawaii right now filming a movie called The Reef.
"RE: Survivor: Half-A.S.Sed Finale East Coast Spoiler Thread"
Posted by flystorms on 05-19-08 at 12:56 PM
>$200K and a lot of increase
>to her DAW factor.
>She has a website now
>selling pictures of herself, and
>other opportunities will come up
>for a good looking DAW
>like her.
>
>
>

Actually she got less than $200k, because her first season, she actually got third behind Courtney. Technically, James won more by losing to her in the two seasons since he won $100k each time as being a fan favorite. Amazing, huh?


"Half-#####<>ed Survivor Finale Swoop?"
Posted by Asrai on 05-14-08 at 11:31 AM
Who knows....maybe!