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"Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by michel on 03-06-08 at 01:32 PM
According to tullfan2 over at Survivorsucks:

http://www.survivorsucks.com/topic/27555

Episode #6 Title:

"It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard."

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"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 03-06-08 at 03:35 PM
Sure sounds like this is in regards to someone being evacuated from the game. The question is who... Krazy Kathy or Jolly Jonathan? I'm leaning towards this being Kathy as she seems to have fewer enemies in camp than Jonathan does - his exit wouldn't "hit everyone pretty hard" in the same way since Cirie or Eliza might actually cheer in this case.

I don't see it being Shet because I don't think too many people would shed a tear if it was him being evacuated.

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by CTgirl on 03-06-08 at 03:43 PM
I agree. It would be much more upsetting to see someone with a "serious injury" evacuated compared to Jonathan's stitches getting infected. If it were Chet we'd probably have seen some reference to his injured foot already.
"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by KObrien_fan on 03-06-08 at 04:01 PM
Jonathan's injury to his leg is very serious. It is more than just a little infection. He seriously almost lost his leg. He had surgery more than once. Jonathan goes as next weeks evac and it rattles everyone because it is just such a shame. Kathy still has shelf life.


I'm not sure who came first hosting games, you or Tribe, but you are both nefarious! - CTGirl

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by emydi on 03-06-08 at 04:04 PM
you are a sweetie


"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by Bebo on 03-06-08 at 04:11 PM
See, I think Jonathan's situation would be hit the group harder than Kathy's would, because they could more easily personalize it. Yes, it would be disconcerting to have someone wig out and try to injure themselves, but the others could think "That wouldn't happen to me". Especially the favorites - they've already played the game once and know they can handle it.

But no matter what their feelings about Jonathan, it would shake everyone to see someone get injured so seriously that they have to leave the game, because it could happen to any one of them. They would be able to understand both the pain of dealing with the injury and the frustration of having to leave the game that way.


"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by emydi on 03-06-08 at 04:22 PM
also Jonathan is not that bad (i think he is very intelligent and would be an interesting person to talk to on the down time)and he's a good provider and he's with Fan now too that may like him a lot I know I do.

no wait, that would mean that they actually watched the show before....

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by Outfrontgirl on 03-06-08 at 04:16 PM
Thanks for the info, KO!

I have been worried about Jonathan. I live in the tropics and know how nasty and fast-moving those infections can be. People not only lose limbs; they can go septic and die.

I am really angry at SEG for designing challenges that can hurt people and expose them to aggressive infections just for entertainment value. Look how bad Colleen's legs got in a season when challenges were simple. That was before the superbug (MRSA) crisis. We don't know yet if Jonathan got MRSA but that's a likely candidate, that or vibrio.

They should tone down the injury potential in areas where they have control ... such as challenges.

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by Flowerpower on 03-06-08 at 05:52 PM
Here, here, OFG, I am in agreement. I am very angry at CBS and SEG for allowing these BRUTAL challenges to go on....they are way over the top and it infuriates me that these poor Survivors are trying their best, and have to leave the game due to injury like this....it stinks! Just not fair...

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by Outfrontgirl on 03-06-08 at 07:22 PM
hear hear Flowerpower! Passionately said!

What makes it worse IMO is that Jeff is spinning the injuries as a "story" of the season that we will see unfolding. As it it's a memorable aspect of the season that it had brutal challenges, injuries, and medivacs.

Yeah, I can go rent Ben Hur or Braveheart or Gladiator if I want that kind of brutality...

even on Big Brother they had a hospitalization because they put someone with documented hypoglycemia on an all slop diet and she began seizing and passed out. The sadism needs to stop; there are other ways to provide must see TV!

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by sugarbooger62 on 03-06-08 at 10:06 PM
I'm new to these forums, so forgive me if you would, but what does IMO stand for? I see it used quite a bit and was curious what it was.


http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg284/sugarbooger62/LookinginonYou.jpg?t=1204264941

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by vince3 on 03-06-08 at 10:21 PM
In My Opinion (Humble might be in there too: IMHO)
"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by Outfrontgirl on 03-06-08 at 10:52 PM
yes, normally I am humble but I felt strongly about this opinion.


"If I'd meant that, I'd have said it." - Lewis Carroll

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by sugarbooger62 on 03-10-08 at 06:37 PM
Thank you so much for clarifying that for me.

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by emydi on 03-06-08 at 04:42 PM
This sounds like Eliza to me...anyone else have a guess on who says it?
"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by Bebo on 03-06-08 at 04:59 PM
How ironic if it is Eliza after her quote about hating everyone and wishing they'd get sick and have to leave the game. Another reason that it makes sense for it to be about Jonathan. We've seen the storyline about people being sick and about Eliza wishing it on her fellow favorites. We've gotten in previews for E5 that Jonathan is going to get hurt. There's been practically nothing recent about Kathy's mental state. We got the crazy lady comments early and saw her tear up when she got sent to EI again, but that story has to get cranked up again before she departs.
"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by pmspml5 on 03-07-08 at 07:47 AM
Eliza did not say this about Jonathan - she said it about the "fav 4"
"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by Erika221 on 03-09-08 at 05:28 PM
The insider clips of Eliza, give more insight into her 'hating everyone' and she includes Jonathan on her hate list because she thinks he's so bossy.

The only favorite she likes is Ami.

Here are the transcripts from that portion of the video clip:
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Eliza (confessional): The way you see our tribe work together and we'll all be smiling and look like we love each other is pretty much crap. We do not all love each other, at least speaking for myself. I personally hate almost every person out here. (shot of Amanda) Amanda is just boring, dull, pageant. (waves a hand over her face) Hello, is anyone in there? (shot of Ozzy) Ozzy has this kind of attitude. He's good in swimming challenges, I'll give him that, but does that make him God? (shot of James) No. James is so irritating. He pretends he's this Southern gentleman, but he's this complete misogynistic pig. (shot of Cirie) And then Cirie, she's PMSing, so she say that's why she's being a royal ##### right now. (shot of Parvati laying on the beach, flirting with James) And Parvati's always flirting with James. It makes me want to vomit. (shot of Jonathan telling Eliza what to do with the fire) And then Jonathan is bossy. So Ami is the only one I really like. I can't express that to them because if I did, they'd be even more inclined to vote me out, and I don't need to give them any more reason. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for something that will save me, or just for us to keep winning immunity.
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"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by Flowerpower on 03-07-08 at 07:47 AM
With the previews last night, I think it's clear that the injury will be Jonathan's...poor guy, this really stinks...


"RC = Airai?"
Posted by Bebo on 03-07-08 at 08:23 AM
We're shown in the previews that Jason gets himself a fake immunity idol - goody for him (or so he thinks). That makes me think Airai wins RC, and Jason volunteers to go to EI. After seeing Joel gone, he can read the writing on the wall - strong Favorites are targets. He's probably going to need the idol to save himself at some point.

His own tribe would be more than willing to let him go. James would be able to laugh over Jason trying to find a fake idol, fufilling Jeff's quotes about James enjoying someone else making a bigger blunder than James had. Parvati would be willing to let him go, knowing the real idol is gone, and Kathy would be thrilled that it's someone besides her.

Yes, Ozzy and Amanda know that there would be no harm in letting a strong Favorite go idol hunting - in fact, they'd probably encourage it. But it would look suspicious for them to suddenly nominate anyone other than Kathy for EI after she's been chosen every single time they've had a chance to choose. Since Ozzy's already been to EI, someone could put 2 and 2 together and get 4.

So, Jason is the one that spoilers say gets it "Jaime-style".

"RE: RC = Airai?"
Posted by suzzee on 03-08-08 at 05:37 PM
I agree that Airai wins RC, if Malakal won they would have sent Kathy again. James & Pavarti know the idol was found & could seem to let anyone who wanted to go to Exile go with their blessings Then it looks like the Favs now "accept & welcome" their new tribemates by letting someone else get a chance to find the HII.

If Jason comes back with the idol around his neck grinning like he got the golden ticket then James would get a big laugh indeed.

"RE: RC = Airai?"
Posted by sugarbooger62 on 03-10-08 at 07:36 PM
Good insight, Bebo. If Airai wins RC, they would pick someone from Malakal to go to EI and they would also have one of their own going too (Jason being the "volunteer" from Airai). I just wonder who will Airai send to EI. Probably Chet or Tracy since they're the weakest Fan's on Malakal and Kathy's their only ally on Airai; she won't have much say in the matter. Of course, they could even pick Erik thinking that if they send Chet, as frail as he is, it could kill him. I don't see them picking a Fav to go.

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by easilydistracted on 03-07-08 at 09:57 AM
So the "Biggest blunder" could well refer to Jason playing the fake idol. JP said James realized what a huge blunder it was. I was thinking said blunder took place after the merge, but since Jason and James are now on the same tribe and James knows Jason's idol's a fake it could well happen pre-merge.

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by emydi on 03-07-08 at 11:49 AM
but there is no way that Jason will tell James that he found what he thinks is the idol...although Jason's not too bright...it's basically a stick...did you watch Yau's season? No, that's right, you're a Fan...

The only way that Jason could be found out is if he tells someone else...Alexis, Natalie? or if Ozzy or one of his alliance go to EI and find that it's gone...but Ozzy would have had to have told them where it was...and that he hid another one


"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by sol on 03-09-08 at 12:33 PM
Wouldn't the "biggest blunder" be if Ozzy failed to play the II ?

Jason would be on par with Jaime and James would have a good chuckle, but James would have a real good laugh if Ozzy did the same thing as he did in China.

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by KObrien_fan on 03-09-08 at 12:47 PM
LAST EDITED ON 03-09-08 AT 01:16 PM (EST)

Now you are onto something, and how ironic indeed if it was at the hands of Amanda again...

ETA: And what could make it a bigger blunder than James' is if James tells Ozzy what Amanda did in China and he still doesn't play his idol, or even bring it to TC...


I'm not sure who came first hosting games, you or Tribe, but you are both nefarious! - CTGirl

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by redbeard103152 on 03-09-08 at 02:19 PM
You might just be on to something KO. After watching the video on the CBS site of Ozzy saying he wont even take the idol to TC I saw more than a little foreshadowing and irony concerning Dolphin Boy. If he did it once who knows if he might do it again?
"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by Erika221 on 03-09-08 at 05:36 PM
I saw that and said to myself, oh no Ozzy is in trouble. The thing is though they didn't show that on the show, only in the clip, so for story to make sense to the regular viewer that doesn't visit the CBS site I think the only real downfall with the idol Ozzy has will be him blabbering to everyone and their mother (which we saw on the show). I just think if there were trying to set it up as Ozzy not using the idol, they would have found a way to include that clip in the actual show. I think what makes the most sense given what we've seen is that telling Amanda/Parvati/James about the idol is what is going to become the problem - not forgetting or neglecting to use it at a good moment. That's all probably wishful thinking on my part...

I'd also like to think that Ozzy's more naive side would have been played up tremendously to set-up something like this. If you remember in China, James was shown again and again saying they needed to just stick together and they would go final 5 or 4. This set-up his whole blindside and showed how he trusted people he shouldn't have in a game he couldn't afford to trust anyone.

(Sorry this should probably go in the editing thread)


"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by KObrien_fan on 03-09-08 at 05:57 PM
But there is still plenty of time for them to show us that part of the story, it won't happen til after the first 2 merge boots so that gives us 5 episodes for the story to develop. Amanda knew of James idol, Amanda knowing that ozzy has the idol is not a good thing once the women decide it is time to flip the script. If there are still Fans in the game and the Faves have the advantage and the women have the majority, ozzy had best be playing his idol. He has already said he "thinks" he can trust Amanda.

The other way it could play out is that Amanda tells ozzy that he is the target and he talks to others and gets them to say they aren't voting for him, he tells Amanda, don't worry, I'm safe, he doesn't play the idol and then they do vote him out.



I'm not sure who came first hosting games, you or Tribe, but you are both nefarious! - CTGirl

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by citywitch on 03-09-08 at 02:26 PM
I still don't think Ozzy not playing the II would be a bigger blunder than James not playing one when he had TWO.

I really like the idea forwarded elsewhere of Jason thinking his idol was real, winning an Individual Immunity challenge & giving it away to protect an ally thinking he could play the idol instead.


thanks to Scarlett O Hara & CattyChat

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by Flowerpower on 03-07-08 at 04:32 PM
CBS Website Clues:

One tribe gets the answer it has been waiting for-will their tribemate recover from a devastating injury?

One Castaway becomes the gullible victim of Ozzy's devious plan set in motion on Exile Island,

while another Castaway is injured, but surprisingly finds himself with more power than ever before.

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by vince3 on 03-07-08 at 05:48 PM
LAST EDITED ON 03-07-08 AT 05:50 PM (EST)

Well, if it's Chet, he blows the power, since he's our likely candidate for snuffing on Malakal's side.........

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by Scarlett O Hara on 03-08-08 at 08:10 AM
Let's speculate!

One tribe gets the answer it has been waiting for-will their tribemate recover from a devastating injury?

Of course this is Airai and the answer is "Yes. Jonathan will recover but not without leaving the game first." It's a sad day indeed, when a player such as Jonathan must leave the game because of SeeBS negligence!

One Castaway becomes the gullible victim of Ozzy's devious plan set in motion on Exile Island, ... we already saw in the previews, it was Jason.

while another Castaway is injured, but surprisingly finds himself with more power than ever before. Could this be Chet?

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: new promo"
Posted by citywitch on 03-09-08 at 07:34 PM
Just saw a new promo for episode 6 (during Big Brother) that in voiceover tells that Ozzy planted a fake idol, then asks "will his plan backfire?" and shows Jason discovering the fake then later saying "Ozzy has already found the original idol."
Also shows Dr. telling Jonathan "the antibiotics aren't working. the infection has already spread to your lymph nodes" and you see Jonathan from the PIP photos.


thanks to Scarlett O Hara & CattyChat

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by Erika221 on 03-10-08 at 03:44 AM
I am onto a theory guys! I could be totally wrong and if I am don't laugh at me

On the CBS website the preview clues say:

One tribe gets the answer it has been waiting for-will their tribemate recover from a devastating injury? One Castaway becomes the gullible victim of Ozzy's devious plan set in motion on Exile Island while another Castaway is injured, but surprisingly finds himself with more power than ever before.

Now tonight while BB was a promo aired that showed Jason, apparently coming back from Exile at to the challenge announcing to everyone that 'Ozzy has the idol'.

Obviously those 2 bold statements do not reconcile. So, I start thinking really hard and here's what I think happens

I think Jason finds the fake idol and he does think it's real. In his head and in the pre-show clips he is already setting himself up as the 2nd coming of Ozzy and wants to go toe-to-toe with him. Ok, so he thinks that if he comes back and tells everyone that Ozzy has the idol - Ozzy will become a big target and perhaps Malakal will try to flush the idol out at the very least. So he comes back from Exile to the challenge and Jeff asks him about it and he, like the punk he is, proclaims to EVERYONE that Ozzy has the idol - but secretly he believes that he has it. So he thinks he will be sending Ozzy to TC unprotected, but in fact he is the one that is unprotected.

Ok, it's far fetched but it's all I got and if I'm right I think that the fake idol is the big blunder that happens, when Jason actually plays it and thinks it's the real deal.

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by citywitch on 03-10-08 at 06:58 AM
far-fetched or not, I like this idea too! I couldn't tell on the promo where Jason was, but it sure looked like he was making an "announcement" that Ozzy has the idol, rather than just sharing with one person.

the boot list also shows Jason going before Ozzy, so it would fit if the big idol blunder hit him, not Ozzy.


thanks to Scarlett O Hara & CattyChat

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by Modesty on 03-10-08 at 08:07 AM
I agree with you both.

However I hold very little faith in that boot list because a lot of placements were merely 'filled in' to fit in around the 'known' spoilers. Ozzy's placement being one of them. I actually know of NO placement boots spoilers at all for him with any credence, and he's not the only one. Whatever Survivor Fever's source is, it's dribbling in on a week by week basis. They have the short term stuff fairly well sorted...

Anyway back on topic. I also think that this (Jason outburst) may create suspicions with Cirie and/or Ami that Ozzy has the idol. I think that's why so much emphasis has been placed on showing him hiding it. I think they'll either look in his bag when he's not around or he'll flat out empty his bag in front of them to prove that he doesn't have it.

For everything a reason..... sometimes it just takes me a while to figure it out. I'm darn sure Jason believes he has the genuine idol though.... and Ozzy was there immediately before him so - where better to throw suspicion away from yourself?

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by KObrien_fan on 03-10-08 at 08:13 AM
LAST EDITED ON 03-10-08 AT 08:14 AM (EST)

Whatever Survivor Fever's source is, it's dribbling in on a week by week basis.

Actually, this is not true at all, it's just that some people prefer to get the information week by week rather than one big bootlist.


I'm not sure who came first hosting games, you or Tribe, but you are both nefarious! - CTGirl

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by Brownroach on 03-10-08 at 09:48 AM
LAST EDITED ON 03-10-08 AT 10:51 AM (EST)

I'm not sure the announcement is at the challenge in front of everyone. That would take a lot of chutzpah on Jason's part.

I don't think the point is to get Ozzy targeted, the point is to cover his a$$ with his own tribe. Jason knows that the next time someone from his tribe goes to Exile Island, if they come upon the idol's location the idol won't be there. So he's telling them Ozzy had already found it when he (Jason) was there. He doesn't want people to suspect he has the idol (which, ironically, he doesn't) and maybe force him to use it early.

ETA: actually, Scarlett already said the same thing below.



Blowin' the blues away, courtesy of tribephyl

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by Erika221 on 03-11-08 at 03:43 AM
LAST EDITED ON 03-11-08 AT 03:50 AM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON 03-11-08 AT 03:49 AM (EST)

Just adding to my crazy scenario - the Jeff Probst video preview of this week shows Jason, the punk calling out Ozzy at the Immunity Challenge in front of EVERYONE! Jerk!

http://www.tvfunspot.com/forums/showthread.php?p=86696#post86696

Also looks like the EXACT challenge they used in Cook Islands - episode 5 immunity challenge. (I should probably disclose to you folks that I have a site myself and wrote recaps and sort of still do for Survivor. I am not looking to steal members though - most people that discuss on my site hate the spoilers and it's a lot of reality gaming - so I come to you fine people to get info and discuss )

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by KObrien_fan on 03-11-08 at 05:56 AM
See here is where I see yet another ozzy fan blinded by whatever it is that has drawn you to him. Jason may be a punk but not for calling out that he suspects that ozzy has the idol, that is sheer genius!

(This is spec) Jason thinks that he has the hidden idol and believes it to be real. To get the scent off him he knows that ozzy is a big competitor in the game and was last on EI. By saying that he thinks ozzy has the idol (and he really doesn't think that ozzy has the idol) to the group, he is throwing the light off himself for the next person who goes there and finds the idol gone. That is just great game play and kudos for him finally doing something that is strategic, he at least is trying to play the game.

In many ways it is just like last week when Probst asked ozzy how his trip to EI was and ozzy played dumb "it's alot harder to find the idol than I thought it would be", it is deception to get further.

It is a game for a million dollars, I get the feeling from many ozzy fans on this board that you would like every one else to lay down and let him waltz his way to the money, sheesh.


I'm not sure who came first hosting games, you or Tribe, but you are both nefarious! - CTGirl

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by Brownroach on 03-11-08 at 03:36 PM
It's not a bad move for Jason, since: a) in his mind Jason has the idol, and therefore, b) Jason thinks that Ozzy can be voted out at any time without repercussions.

The problem is...none of that is true.

And "outing" Ozzy doesn't really serve any purpose, imo, since Jason doesn't know the dynamics on the other tribe. Jason may think that since they got rid of Joel they would get rid of Ozzy too, despite needing him for the challenges. But Ozzy is in the majority alliance and is unlikely to become a target anytime soon.

So it's a nice try on Jason's part, but I don't see it as a great game move since it's based on a faulty supposition.



Blowin' the blues away, courtesy of tribephyl

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by Scarlett O Hara on 03-12-08 at 04:03 PM
KO_F,
Part of the fun with the "Favorites" is cheering for your Favorite, who might be different than another's favorite. We saw it in Survivor A$$ as well (particularly with Rob & Amber). But please don't bash Ozzy here. We have another place on these boards for you to bash away to your heart's content. Just try to be patient with us and let us have our fun! And by all means ... cheer for your favorite too!

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by KObrien_fan on 03-12-08 at 09:47 PM
I didn't bash ozzy here, I merely stuck up for Jasons game play. I am quite aware of what the boards are for.


I'm not sure who came first hosting games, you or Tribe, but you are both nefarious! - CTGirl

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by emydi on 03-13-08 at 09:53 AM
when I saw the clip of Jason saying that Ozzy had it...I hoped that Jason figured out IT'S A STICK!! and remembered watching Yau...but erika you may be on to something....it's either Jason playing the fake idol thinking it is real (what makes it a huge blunder is that he "outs" Ozzy for having the real one when Jason doesn't think he does but actually Ozzy does...

or Amanda tricks ozzy into not using the idol

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by Lasann on 03-10-08 at 07:35 AM
How about this?

We saw Ozzy hiding the idol. What if someone, let's say Chet, comes upon the idol and takes it.

I immediately thought it was a blunder to hide the idol away from his immediate vicinity.



Go Ozzy - go Ozzy - go Ozzy


"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by Scarlett O Hara on 03-10-08 at 08:11 AM
I am in agreement! Jason finds the fake HII and believes it to be the REAL HII. To throw everyone off HIS trail, he comes back to challenge beach and proclaims that Ozzy has the HII. However, he is bluffing to throw the others off of his trail. It will backfire on him when he tries to use it at an upcoming Tribal Council and finds out that Ozzy, does indeed, have the REAL HII!

As far as another tribemate finding Ozzy's HII, I don't think it can be taken from him. He can give it to someone, but I don't think it can be stolen from him. At least this is what I recall from China.

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by ginger0226 on 03-10-08 at 09:44 AM
The rules state that the idol CANNOT be stolen from you by another player. A player can choose to give it to another player in camp or during tribal council.
"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by vince3 on 03-10-08 at 09:45 AM
Someone posted a picture of the HII rules for Micronesia around here somewhere...... I can't seem to find it, though.......
"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by ginger0226 on 03-10-08 at 10:24 AM
>Someone posted a picture of the
>HII rules for Micronesia around
>here somewhere...... I can't seem
>to find it, though.......


here they are:

They are in the very first SOTS, but I don't know how to copy and paste it here....

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by vince3 on 03-10-08 at 10:46 AM

Thanks! I went into to the properties of the picture, copied the web address and pasted it here.

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by suzzee on 03-10-08 at 02:13 PM
Hair splitting here. If someone would find the idol that was hidden by Ozzy is it technically stealing?

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by vince3 on 03-10-08 at 02:25 PM
*shrug*

But I'm leaning toward "yes".......... since he hid it in camp, not Exile Island....... if however, he didn't go back to that camp last episode....... then it would've been interesting.

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by michel on 03-10-08 at 02:36 PM
The Idol is considered personal property and all personal belongings are brought to the new camp after a switch or a merge. That could mean a staff member would have brought him the idol.

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by Outfrontgirl on 03-11-08 at 07:05 PM
yes, it would be stealing. In China or Fiji (forget which), someone did find a stashed idol and was told by the camera crew they had to leave it alone. It was in an exit interview, not broadcast.

Once it's taken from the place it's officially hidden, it can only be transferred if it's given away. The point of secrecy is to hide that you have the power of the idol. If anyone could ever keep their trap shut it would be an amazing surprise to play it and completely blow everyone out of the water.

I've noticed with "flushing out the idol" it can only be done safely when you have the numbers to split the vote and cover a second target in case the idol gets played, so if a person were smart, they ought to keep the idol a secret until the numbers are such that your opponents won't pull the "flushing out" strategy on you. After that point, reveal the idol to keep your opponents in fear of your vote (or your alliance) deciding their fate.


"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by vince3 on 03-11-08 at 07:50 PM
I think it was Yau's HII in Fiji...
"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by ginger0226 on 03-11-08 at 10:31 PM
>I think it was Yau's HII
>in Fiji...


Actually I believe it was James' idols in China, Denise found them and wanted to steal them, but production told her it was against the rules. It was talked about in one of her exit interviews.

"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by Outfrontgirl on 03-12-08 at 06:44 AM
yes, that was it! I've already blanked out Denise ...


"If I'd meant that, I'd have said it." - Lewis Carroll


"RE: Survivor 16. Episode #6 Title: "It Hit Everyone Pretty Hard.""
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 03-13-08 at 08:14 AM
LAST EDITED ON 03-13-08 AT 08:15 AM (EST)


Actually, it was Jaime who found the idols in James' pants with Erik standing there. And she still thought it was a good idea to play the generic tile at TC, sheesh.