In Africa, did someone get fire on Day 1, without flint?

LAST EDITED ON 02-02-07 AT 09:41 AM (EST)

I think this is it vince...she is able to make fire without flint---that is definitely important and maybe when they get split up and she is in on Ravu the Have Nots...this will ingratiate herself to Earl the behind the scenes leader (like Chris)(whereas Anthony is the Sarge type leader). I read on Sucks, I think, that the two of them have rendevouses (what is the plural of that or is that the plural?) on the beach at 3 am so no one knows they are aligned.

This may also be the reason Michelle lasts until mid jury and all the other Ravu women go by the wayside Jessica Erica Sylvia and Rita...

Hiya emy!

I read on Sucks, I think, that the two of them have rendevouses (what is the plural of that or is that the plural?) on the beach at 3 am so no one knows they are aligned.

Anyway could you provide a link to the above quote? I find that very interesting and wanted to investigate it...wonder who it comes from? Have not seen anything like it in TDT's or Survivor Phoenix's sites...Thanks!

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micknrc on page 1 of the Michelle thread in Sucks

http://p085.ezboard.com/Michelle/fsurvivorsucksfrm2.showMessage?topicID=19377.topic

I think Sfever and TDT cite micknrc as source of spoilers this time

Interesting, emy! Thanks for finding it! Very interesting indeed, and TDT is siting him/her/micknrc on his site! A very hidden alliance is intruiging indeed! I really like the looks of Earl pre-game! The more I hear bits and pieces about him, the more I'm leaning toward him being a very late game contender....

From what I've been reading, I think he and Dre are in F3 with either Edgardo, Lili, Cassandra or Yau Man as the 3rd person

LAST EDITED ON 02-02-07 AT 04:43 AM (EST)

>Michelle Yi
>
>Responsible for something that hasn’t
>happened since Africa in terms of
>a moment out on the beach.

Not only as Loree said about Kel being in Australia and not in Africa... but what about something like Clarence deciding to eat a can of beans on his own? Someone stealing food from the others and this has the effect of breaking up a tight alliance (bigger impact on the game).

>The only thing I can think
>of in Africa is when
>Kel went off for a
>walk and Jerri et al
>were lounging at the camp
>near the river and they
>went through Kel's belongings looking
>for beef jerky. Does
>something like that happen again?
> Looking through someone's bags
>for the idol maybe?

Would something like this be labeled as a "most controversial decision, though?

Keep in mind that Jeff is paid to blow smoke out of his ass so quite often his comments turn out to be nothing, just a product of hype.

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"Tsk, tsk. Pepe's messing with the newbies again." Spidey, 3/30/05

The biggest thing, I remember, from Africa was Lex's witch-hunt.
And not necessarily Lex's witch-hunt specifically but what happened because of it.

It started with the merge, where 2 people voted for Lex. While everyone else targetted Clarence.
Lex's votes were from Clarence and Teresa. Clarence was a goner but Teresa's vote went un-announced. Sending Lex on his famous witch-hunt.

Lex, of course, was completely wrong in his assumptions of who voted for him and targetted one of his own, Kelly G..
Accusing her of doing so and threatening her if she left the original Boarn members.

So Kelly G. made inroads with the remaining Samburu to oust Lex next. All looked good for a Lex boot.

However, a "secret" conversation was happening between Lex and Brandon, where he was persuading Brandon into switching with the remaining Boran and voting out the witch.

Come TC time and 2 people decide to switch alligences. The swing vote is met with the counter-swing vote and Kelly G. is voted out. (Granted this didn't have any lasting effects on Brandon's longevity and will still go down in history as one of the stupidest survivor descisions ever made. On his part. Of course Lex came out smelling sweet.)

The idea that a lessor alliance member makes an in-road with a the greater alliance in hopes of taking control of the game, yet is met at tribal council with a different member of the greater alliance deciding they don't like that idea and switching over to the lesser alliance at the last moment.

The controversy being that, "How could Soandso... do that to her fellow tribemates?" They were winning and because of her emotional state/lack of foresight/prejudices/etc. made a game changing decision that was the cause of none of her tribemates sitting in any of the final 3 seats.

Plausible?

Wow, Tribe, it certainly is plausible, especially if they make it to the merge. This scenario makes me want to run out and rent Survivor: Africa ASAP! Sorry I missed it all play out. If it is something like this, Michele is certainly a PLAYER!

You'll need some strong alcohol to make it through Survivor Africa in one week or so. There were some good strategic moments from Lex and there was Joanna's Mother Africa spiel, but the rest of the season was a real snoozer.

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"Tsk, tsk. Pepe's messing with the newbies again." Spidey, 3/30/05

"Don't you worry about no crocs, Old Big Tom's got stinky socks!"

That was probably the highlight.

"Them people had to be pretty dumb to make their camp in a riverbed." - Rudy BoeschRudy's Place

LAST EDITED ON 02-02-07 AT 08:38 AM (EST)

Great article Lorree, thanks for bringing it over! So, a few things to note. Could the car challenge be related then to the controversial decision that "had" to be made and impacts the final outcome of the game? I am leaning toward this decision as being a result of a twist of the game, and these newer comments, I'd say, are congruent with what we have to date on this controversy.

Michelle Yi, the giggly school child turns out to be a player! I'd say that is a tip she could last longer than early game. What could she be responsible for that occurs on the beach and hasn't been seen since Africa, unfortunately I missed that season, but I'm sure that there are somne here who could help out with this one!

Also, why did Jiffy just comment on these select few? Is it because they are colorful characters, or that they do something notable in the game? Clearly the comments on the daws here from Jiffy are pre-game. These new comments on the daws are clearly post game, imo. I am listing them here so they can be commented upon:

Some Probst Player Insights

Boo Bernis

Very athletic but the most injury prone ‘Survivor’ ever.

He suffers three injuries in one hour.

Probst views him as a “bumbling contradiction” in that he is so athletic.

Carried himself with a great deal of respect for others.

Erica Durousseau

A sleeper player who is a quiet force.

She is not easily swayed and early on goes against her own tribe on an important issue.

Jessica Deben

The girl next door.

Probst was pulling for her to win because of all the family tragedy she has suffered.

She wore her dad’s denim shirt in memory of him.

Michelle Yi

Responsible for something that hasn’t happened since Africa in terms of a moment out on the beach.

Huge impact on her tribe

She is feisty and a little deceptive.

She is more of a player than people realize.

Rita Verreos

Prides herself on being a single mom and wears that like badge of honour.

Very aware of her looks and no problem using them to her advantage.

Viewed as the “mom” of the tribe.

James “Rocky” Reid

He looks like Sylvester Stallone’s clone. He walks like him and talks like him.

He is colourful, funny and sometimes very irritating.

Yau-Man Chan

Originally from Borneo, the site of the first ‘Survivor’.

Excellent natural survival skills.

Probst thinks fans will just adore him.

Dre “Dreamz” Herd

Formerly a homeless street performer who lived out of dumpsters.

Survived and made something of himself.

A total underdog and his biggest challenge is adapting to Survivor's social game.

Interesting group of daws. I wonder why these select few were commented upon? Was it because they were colorful characters or that they did something notable in the game? Rita, Jessica, and Erica are speculated to go early game, while Michelle is speculated to make jury, and Yau-man and Dre are speculated to be late gamers? Could our winner be in this bunch?

Regarding Dre: It almost sounds to me that he will indeed stumble with the social aspect of the game, as if he will fall short because he is deficient at the social part?

LAST EDITED ON 02-02-07 AT 09:31 AM (EST)

Controversial decision: Could there be some sort of "tie" for the car? Whatever Probst and company do to determine the winner would mean the winner gets the car, but the loser goes on to win the game? And the way they break the tie will be considered "controversial" by the viewers?

Responsible for something that hasn’t happened since Africa in terms of a moment out on the beach.
Michele on the beach -- I don't think this has anything to do with the "controversial" decision, but rather, it is something entirely different. Could she have a close encounter with a deadly sea snake? In the Africa season, at the beginning of the show, they warned the survivors about the "most deadliest animals" that they should stay away from and the Water Buffalo was one as they were prone to attack. I also remember Frank and someone else (Ethan?) came face to face with a water buffalo, and they had to be very careful as to how they backed away from it. So, my guess would be that Michele's hype is more along the lines of a Survivor's life is threatened by the wildlife.

LAST EDITED ON 02-02-07 AT 04:11 PM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON 02-02-07 AT 04:10 PM (EST)

After reading through Jiffy's media conference, I don't think the controversial decision has anything to do with the car challenge. I think this time, Ford is the new sponsor and gets "more bang for their buck" because whomever wins the challenge gives the other 4 or 5 DAWs the car instead of what Cindy did and kept it for herself. So Ford gets to have 4 or 5 people going ga ga over their cars.

I never would have hesitated in giving the cars to Steph Danni Lydia and Rafe. I know that that would make me vulnerable bc I'd be more likely to get a jury vote or two bc of it, but not doing it got Cindy booted that day and a car to me is not that big of a thing, I'd rather give 4 others one instead of keeping one just for me, but hey that's just me, and that is one reason why (I didn't really like her to begin with) that I really did not like Cindy and her game.

Could this giving person possibly win the game (Dre or Earl?) and sort of break the car curse? One of the DAWs that would be given a car would have a 4/5 shot or 5/6 shot of winning but not really break the curse ala Lamber.

I think the controversial decision has definitely got to do with Dre. Jiffy was talking about Dre when he mentioned it and how it will be an ethical decision...you'll either hate or love the decision made. He was talking about Dre's naivete and how he has not learned how to lie, cheat etc. (like Edgardo has--this is my commentary not Jiffy's).

My gut tells me this decision is Dre's to make. Does it boot him from the game or loses jury votes bc of it? I don't know..all I know this def. confirms Dre lasts til very late in the game

Dre now has a newborn baby The article was dated 1/16/07 and it says Luca is 1 month old so would have been born in mid December about a week after filming ended.

Sucks posters are postulating that he decides to stay in the game...remember Gervase had a baby during the shooting of Borneo and he stayed but then was voted out at F6 anyway...so not first time this has happened. He could be told about it and decide to stay and if Dre makes F3 he could lose the game (by losing maybe even just one vote) bc of his decision to stay

Jiffy also said on TV Guide special:

I think his biggest challenge on the show is going to be his social adaptability. It's not something he's used to. Hang around 20 people and having to fit in and compromise and say the right thing is not something he grew up with. He's used to doing whatever he needs to do to take care of himself and his family right now. You will see that dilemma play out for him this season. That dilemma right there of how do I adapt to other people and try to get along when my instinct says 'do what's best for you right now cause that's how you grew up.”

Definitely Dre makes the decision. Does he make the decision to help better provide for his family by staying instead of leaving to go home for birth of Luca?

Does he make the decision to better provide for his family?

That's a "No Brainer" emy ... of course he does!! Heck, just last week we saw a guy do just the same thing on American Idol -- wife's at home giving birth, and he's trying out for Idol.

This, IMHO, is not controversial at all, Sugar....

Controversial might not be exactly the right word, but this would certainly be a weighty decision. And it is the type of decision where audience members would have an opinion on whether or not he did the "correct" thing.

Blowin' the blues away, courtesy of tribephyl