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"The Jury. Thoughts?"

Posted by Cathy the Canadian on 11-10-06 at 07:37 AM
Thought we needed a separate thread for this. I agree with Flowerpower. I think they're going to have a final 3, with a 9 member jury.

We've had too many predictable seasons, with landslide votes at the end. This will prevent someone dragging along an unlikeable character for an easy F2 win. I love the idea.

Other theories?


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"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by Cathy the Canadian on 11-10-06 at 07:46 AM
I just realized, that won't work - it could cause a three way tie. Darn it!

So what the heck are they doing? And why are they keeping it a secret?


"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by Flowerpower on 11-10-06 at 08:14 AM
Cathy, I'm glad that you started this thread! I can see two possible options...

1. F3 with 9 member jury( that way the often popular F3 Survivor could have a chance to win it)...I'm sure they could have some kind of tie breaker figured out, or perhaps they will go one step further and have a F4 with an 8 member jury???...(I kind of doubt that though)

2. Standard F2 with 7 member jury BUT, the message in the bottle informs them that they will vote out 2 members of their tribe at the TC, and neither will get to sit in on the jury



"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by xwraith27 on 11-10-06 at 08:22 AM
2. Standard F2 with 7 member jury BUT, the message in the bottle informs them that they will vote out 2 members of their tribe at the TC, and neither will get to sit in on the jury.

But why? Doesn't this seem a bit too unfair for these two people? Unless the castaways have been informed pre-season, I really don't think this is a good idea.


"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by Chez on 11-10-06 at 10:33 AM
"2. Standard F2 with 7 member jury BUT, the message in the bottle informs them that they will vote out 2 members of their tribe at the TC, and neither will get to sit in on the jury"

If niethoer one of the 2 people voted out next week get to be on the jury, we will still have an even number of jury (8). Maybe option 3 (which I have seen stated elsewhere, can't remember where) is:

Standard F2 with 9 person jury. Of the 2 people voted out next week, one of them makes the jury and the other does not. The note in the bottle helps spell out exactly how that determination is made as to which person makes the jury.


"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by Georgianna on 11-10-06 at 08:33 AM
No other theories. And I love the idea too. But ...

Throughout the season, the announcements by Probst regarding the contestants' odds of 'winning a million dollars' has remained consistent: 'One in ...'.

So, in the event of the tie that might well occur if nine vote for one of a field of three, I don't think it will be broken by either splitting or duplicating the million. And I, for one, am prepared to feel monumentally cheated if I have to watch one more 'build a fire to burn through a string' at the Finale.

And I sincerely hope that taking the Game away from its participants by permitting the audience (either at home, or in the studio, or both) to decide the matter is not in the offing.

However, I can't think of any tiebreaker that I would find acceptable. So, I'm sure open to suggestions ...

G


"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by Snidget on 11-10-06 at 09:30 AM
One thought that would break the tie. The message in the bottle tells them there will be F3 + 9 jury. The person who wins the last challange either gets a +1 vote or can decide who gets a -1 vote from the total.

Usually the F3-F2 challange you have a lot of incentive to win it because you pick your F2 partner.

in the F4-F3 you might not go for it based on the alliances as you might in F3-F2. But if you get an advantage in the final trible council that would break a 3 way tie that might make people more competative.

The other way it could work is the winner whether it goes to F3 or F2 gets to decide which juror's vote doesn't count. That way you have an odd number of votes. The stategy is trying to figure out who will never vote for you.


"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by Georgianna on 11-10-06 at 10:15 AM
Snidget,

Although, because it preserves a very real sense of intrigue until the Finale (presuming that the choice isn't revealed until then), I like the second option a bit better than the first, they are both ... brilliant!

Now, if only Burnett & Company is half that creative ...

G


"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by CattyChat on 11-10-06 at 11:34 AM
"The other way it could work is the winner whether it goes to F3 or F2 gets to decide which juror's vote doesn't count."

This makes the most sense to me, a chance to nullify one vote given to either the final challenge winner or the F3 person (usually the best man/woman) who doesn't get taken to F2.

The alternating jurors would be a BAD idea. I do, however, still like the idea of a F3 with 9-member jury. Sure there is a slight possibility of a tie, but with 3 people to vote for will that really happen? If there is a tie, between 2 or (doubtful) a 3-way tie, I can see another chance for whomever were the tied vote getters to have another chance to plead their case and then a revote (LIVE and after the jury has WATCHED the show). If there still is a tie (extremely doubtful), then either a fire-making or some other challenge live or an "America votes" or some other weird thing.

I highly doubt there would be a tie with 3 people to vote on, but stranger things have happened, and I love the idea of a final 3 and a vote that can be nullified. But this twist has to be revealed towards the very end and not next week.


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"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by michel on 11-10-06 at 10:42 AM
It wouldn't be fair to have Brad on the jury and not someone that Outlasted him. It's rewarding mediocrity.

Until we have more to go on, I'm assuming a 10 person jury with a final 2.

Any discussion of tie-breakers can only be speculation. How about the person that wins the F3 immunity gets 1 vote in the urn before the voting starts. The first 9 jury members could be left in the dark and it could offset losing the vote of the person the immunity winner has to vote off. The person brought to the jury has to win at least 6 votes or else the tie goes to the immunity winner.


"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by Woogie on 11-10-06 at 11:13 AM
I think Brad being a jury seems more unfair as he and Sundra have never been in the same tribe iving together. Especially IF Sundra goes to F2(or3).

BUT since Sundra going to F2 seems unlikable(maybe it will work out for F3 though) I'll pass this discussion.


"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by emydi on 11-10-06 at 11:24 AM
but that also adds something else to it; watch out what you do bc you may have just screwed over someone that will be a juror and vote against you and for someone else that has never crossed your path.



"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by CattyChat on 11-10-06 at 11:25 AM
"I think Brad being a jury seems more unfair as he and Sundra have never been in the same tribe iving together. Especially IF Sundra goes to F2(or3)."

Some reasons I don't think it's so unfair:

1. In a regular jury trial, no jury member is acquainted with any of the parties & have to base their decision on what evidence is presented in the courtroom, how the parties present themselves & can be swayed by argument. So, even if Brad never got that much time with Sundra, she could win him over by her answers to questions at final TC & her opening & closing remarks.

2. In a way it could be an advantage for someone like Sundra. If she is in the final 2 against Nate, for example, who lied & betrayed Brad & Brad holds a grudge, there's an automatic vote for Sundra.

3. First boot after merge doesn't necessarily give the initial bootee enough time to get to know all of the people from the other tribe anyway & some are closed-minded & stick with their original bonds anyway. So I don't really see it as that big of a factor for Brad to be on a jury where he didn't get a chance to really get to know Sundra.

Just my thoughts.


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"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by Woogie on 11-10-06 at 11:54 AM
I absolutely think you are reasonable.

But I still think it's unfair.(What a stubborn SH*T I am)


"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by Ice 9 on 11-10-06 at 11:47 AM
I'm just curious how getting to serve on the jury is a reward. If anything, it's a sentence. If I were eliminated from the game, I'd much rather be off on some excursion than have to be dragged to TC every 3 days or so to sit and listen to the folks who booted me whine.

The only way they'd be "rewarding mediocrity" is if Brad got more of a payoff than someone finishing ahead of him did. THAT would be unfair. Who they choose to sit on the jury is not a reflection of performance. Sure, historically it has been, but it isn't by definition. By definition, it's just a select number of people who choose the winner.

I actually kind of like the idea. If the jury is "randomized", then the players won't really know whether the person they're about to screw over will be on the jury.


"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by Woogie on 11-10-06 at 10:46 AM
I agree with the idea that one of next episodes double bootee will not be in the jury.

At least this make more sense than having Final 3. Final 3 with 9jury or 7 can cause 3-way tie or 2.
9 : 3-3-3 or 4-4-1
7 : 3-3-1

And giving the winner o F3 challenger +1/-1 vote seems really unlikely. This is unfairer than giving him/her chance to choose winnable character to F2.

I'll stick to this unless there is better theory coming from some real smart pple.


"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by emydi on 11-10-06 at 11:11 AM
LAST EDITED ON 11-10-06 AT 11:13 AM (EST)

They will not let a tie happen imho and I do not think it will be a F3...the final tc would be torture, right BR!?!

I put in the East Coast update thread that possibly, it would be alternating jurors until F6

F12, 10 8 6 5 4 3 are jurors
F11 9 7 are not

Or some other way to determine who is juror and who is not

I'm not sure if they would do this but I don't think EPMB etc think it would be "rewarding mediocrity"; rather they need a new way to change up the game--

To do it this way they needed 20 DAWS because enough (8) have already been voted out before a juror was selected. If you know if a person will be juror or not, that will shake the votes up a lot and then if someone is saved for a week bc of it, by that time could they worm their way into another deal ala Jonathan?


"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by Woogie on 11-10-06 at 11:19 AM
I feel alternating jury is really bad move if MB really had it on the show. That's why I'm sticking to 1 of 2 next bootee(which is likably Rebeca and Jenny) will not be a jury.

But I am hoping that in real, there was some other brand new idea taken place. Just HOPING.


"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by ADKer on 11-10-06 at 11:27 AM
Because of the care taken to show Nate's effort to give Brad a false sense of security, I believe that Nate's conduct will have to come back to haunt him, either in in the finale or perhaps the jury will vote to one or mor members to give an odd number of jurors deciding the final winner. In some way, Nate's conduct is going to be significant in the game.

"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by Brownroach on 11-10-06 at 12:03 PM
They will not let a tie happen imho and I do not think it will be a F3...the final tc would be torture, right BR!?!

I don't think there will be three candidates to vote for, I think it will be the usual two.

If there is an even number of jurors, might they just have two winners if the final vote is tied? The show has been on the air long enough that it could get away with that, maybe.



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"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by WatMan on 11-10-06 at 02:09 PM
First post, I've lurked here for 8 seasons and am always amazed at the high level of info that is pulled out of previews, etc. Amazing! I really appreciate everyone's input.

Anyway; with regards to a possibility of a jury of 9 and a final 3... maybe I'm missing something but I think the odds of a winner's tie is quite rare! I took a few minutes to write out all the possible combinations that 9 voters could give to 3 people, and came up with 55 possible voting combos. Only 4 end in a winners tie:

3 3 3
4 4 1
4 1 4
1 4 4

Of all 55 combos, that's it! With only a 7% chance of a tie to actually have to break, I'm wondering if MB will take the 93% chance that it won't matter, and will have a tie-breaker ready to go only if required. MB would know if he needed it long before the finale would air.


"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by CRyanShort on 11-10-06 at 02:57 PM
Extending upon this good statistical argument, couldn't the votes for the person who is not in the tie (i.e., third place) be recast for only the two who did tie? Like a runoff?

Or does this denigrate the "value of the vote" philosophy of Survivor? Burton and Lill aside, votes have always meant something and something final...


"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by emydi on 11-10-06 at 03:17 PM
WELCOME WAT MAN!!! Why'd you wait so long!! I hope you stick around..

Well...I could def. see EPMB taking that chance...if it's a 7% chance of a tie. In a 10 person jury with 2 Finalists it would be a 20% chance of a tie (9-1,8-2,7-3,6-4,5-5)


"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by Brownroach on 11-10-06 at 03:44 PM
16.66%. You forgot the vote could be 10-0. (Or actually 9.09% if you include the reverse scenarios.)


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"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by emydi on 11-10-06 at 03:53 PM
crud... well it's still twice as many...

you always keep me honest BR


"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by Brownroach on 11-10-06 at 03:57 PM
I'm not good at math so that could be completely wrong.

But with either 3 or 2 finalists, they might take a chance on a tie. Personally I still lean toward 2 finalists.

I don't buy the idea that some people who get booted from hereon out won't be on the jury; or that someone who is on the jury would be eliminated from it later on.


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"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by emydi on 11-10-06 at 04:03 PM
but you realize this means 10 wah wah jury speeches/?s!!!



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"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by WatMan on 11-11-06 at 11:21 AM
>WELCOME WAT MAN!!! Why'd you wait
>so long!!

Intimidated. There are some really impressive posters here such as you, Brownroach, KOBrien Fan and a number of others, etc... just didn't feel qualified to jump into high-level stuff without just blathering. Waited until I thought I actually had something of value!


"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by KObrien_fan on 11-11-06 at 12:37 PM
Welcome WatMan, I know what you mean. Back before I started posting during Season 7 Pearl Islands I was a bit intimidated by reading posts from people like Krautboy and VerucaSalt etc. Now look at me, 5 seasons later and I am considered intimidating by new posters There is so much to discuss each week, it is definately great to see all the different perspectives. So glad you decided to join us!



"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by emydi on 11-11-06 at 10:32 PM
LAST EDITED ON 11-11-06 AT 10:33 PM (EST)

Ditto KT!! Thank you for that compliment WATMan! I too was a lurker for I think 4 seasons end of S2 I found this board and I finally came out of hiding in S6 or S7. It seems like yday The wonderful Mistofleas (I miss her ) welcomed me.

Keep posting..I also blather on and on and BR FP et al. usually step in and shut me up

Wanna do this week's SOTS for me, WAT?



"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by Brownroach on 11-13-06 at 11:50 AM
I know what you mean, I followed the board for 2 and 1/2 seasons before I ever posted. Glad you decided to jump in, WatMan -- 8 seasons of lurking is too long!


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"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by Loree on 11-10-06 at 04:48 PM
I don't believe they will have a final 3. I think it will be a final 2 as usual. If they decide to have an even number on the jury they have to have something set up in case of a tie.

Since MB seems to dislike it when players don't work and give it their all. He may want to reward those that try harder. Maybe the final 3 will be told that in case of a tie for the win. The $1 million will be given to the person that won the final Immunity Challenge. It would encourage people to try and win the final challenge rather than throwing it because they are sure both the others will take them to the final. It would be better to have the ultimate survivor win their way there than be dragged along.


"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by michel on 11-10-06 at 04:52 PM
LAST EDITED ON 11-10-06 AT 04:56 PM (EST)

Thanks Loree, at least someone agrees with me!

I also like your idea in the other thread that the bottle could be a cash temptation that leaves that person out of the jury. It is a fair way to have someone that outlasted Brad not be on the jury


"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by Brownroach on 11-13-06 at 11:56 AM
The problem I have with the cash-in-lieu-of-jury idea is, what if nobody takes the offer? They couldn't force anyone to accept it, and frankly I couldn't see anyone accepting it. So then they'd still have 10 jurors.

The idea of them making the F3 immunity winner the actual winner in case of a tie seems plausible. Or, I still think they may just give a million dollars to both contestants if there is a tie.


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"Possible F3 scenario"
Posted by Woogie on 11-11-06 at 03:56 AM
Well, I thought the whole day on it(why did I bother to do that!!) and my younger brother(who just turned 13) made a good thought on it.

We know Brad is the first jury and 11 left.
So it's 9 jury and F3 or 10 jury and F2 which can cause a tie.

And there was tons of F3 contestants who deserved to win(out of those three) but was not taken to F2.

So here is what I think.

There will be 9 jury and when it comes to F3 the juries voteout 1 of them who they think does not deserve a chance to get million dollars. And then they will vote for the Sole Survivor out of the left 2 and one voted out of F3 does not get a chance to vote as a jury.

It might sound a little complecated but I think it can really work!!!


"RE: Possible F3 scenario"
Posted by Woogie on 11-11-06 at 08:23 AM
I had posted this opinion in other community and someone over there gave me ans reply about it. He/she said that in Reward Challenge to decode a sentence in Episode 4 the answer was "LAST CASTAWAYS BACK CAST ONE AWAY". And so this answer caused people to think(perhaps a misdirection) about OUTKASTS in Pearl Island though doubted by almost everyone. So that sentence may refer to what I was thinking of.

Just my thoughts.


"RE: Possible F3 scenario"
Posted by KObrien_fan on 11-11-06 at 10:12 AM
Talk about an unfair option, to make it all the way to the final 3 and then not even get a vote? I highly doubt that would happen. I think that of all the options, the one with the message offering one of the two boots a cash prize to step off the jury would be the best of them all. Then we get back to a jury of 9 and a final 2.



"RE: Possible F3 scenario"
Posted by emydi on 11-11-06 at 10:40 PM
But the press release says two get voted out..I know that may not be controlling but I'm not sure about the $ to go scenario.

If it is..who takes the bait?

Rebecca the exhausted one?

or

Jenny--who has to know she ain't winning this thing...


Bc of the misdirection quote about someone being checked out which I think is Nate talking about Rebecca...remember she had the insider talk about not giving up etc.

I think if $$ is offered Jenny takes it. She has never said anything about not quitting (like Rebecca and Sundra ftm)


"RE: Possible F3 scenario"
Posted by lm1203 on 11-12-06 at 03:35 PM
if jenny indeed was offered money and took it in exchange for leaving the game, that would make her comment about hoping brad was concerned with the team rather than himself a few episodes back QUITE ironic.

i don't think jenny knows she isn't going to win. it's easier for us to say that given spoilers having her entire tribe wiped out by the final 4. there have been plenty of survivors in precarious positions before the merge that have gained significantly from it. chances are she sees her chances increased after jon/candice left aitu...


"RE: Possible F3 scenario"
Posted by Woogie on 11-12-06 at 00:31 AM
I think $$$ thing won't work. Let say two(Rebecca and Jenny) are voted out. And Jeff gives an offer. If I'm one of them I'll sure will take the offer. If both of them wants to take the offer, who will take it? Another booooooooooooring fire challenge for it? No way.

If $$$ thing will take place, It should be done after one is voted out(perhaps Rebecca)and the bottle is opened which describes they are offered to step down the show for $$$(only the first one can do it). And Jenny takes that offer after knowing she is in the bottom of the pole through Rebecca's departure(5-2 votes perhaps, 2 for Jonathan by Rebecca and Jenny).

I'm not sure but neither this nor jury voting out one of F3 seems fair, though the second one is my idea. But Survivor isn't about fairness, right?


"$"
Posted by Cathy the Canadian on 11-12-06 at 09:38 AM
I really don't see the "$ to go" thing happenning. What purpose would it serve? It seems like a lame idea, since we already think it's lame that Brad made the jury, having not even met all the players.

I don't think the message in the bottle has anything to do with the jury. My first thought was, it reveals the identity of the person with the immunity idol to whoever wins the bottle.

I still don't know what to think about the jury, though some good theories have been brought up here.

I'm leaning towards the easiest solution is usually right - it's a ten member jury, and they've devised some lame tie breaker should it be necessary, which I really hope isn't a home viewer vote - as I've said elsewhere, if players thought they had to play up to the home audience for a vote, we'd never see a real confessional again.


"RE: $"
Posted by Woogie on 11-12-06 at 10:30 AM
>I really don't see the "$ to go" thing happenning.

Agreed!!

>it's lame that Brad made the jury, having not even met all the players.

100% agreed!

>I really hope isn't a home viewer vote - as I've said elsewhere, if players thought they had to play up to the home audience for a vote, we'd never see a real confessional again.

Again, 200% agreed!

But as I've posted I really don't think there will be a tie. It will be 9jury and F2, though I'm not sure what way they'll dismiss one jury.

1. As i've posted, when it comes down to F3 the 9jury will first vote a person out and then vote for winner in F2.

or

2. One of F2 will be given a power to dismiss one of jury's vote. Maybe there will be F2 challenge for the first time, or has it got to do something wit F3 challenge.


"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by goyulandbecky on 11-12-06 at 10:32 AM
My personal theory is that it's going to be a whole different twist. Something like if you're voted off in the F5, you get to replace a jury member. That would keep things as a 7-member jury, and give some advantage to the people placed 3-5 (since presumably, they won't be replaced on the jury) vs. 6-12.

That said, in this scenario, I see this happening:

Pavarti replaces Jenny, 2 members of Aitu replace Jonathan/Candace. It would be sweet, sweet revenge.


"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by sylvanlakes on 11-12-06 at 01:58 PM
The Jury members will vote at F3 to pick the last person booted.

"It'll be a weighted vote scheme..."
Posted by LionChow on 11-13-06 at 09:44 AM
I think I've got the answer...

Given that a ten person jury could result in a tie, MB must have something up his sleeve to avoid that, RIGHT?

So I'm guessing that each jury member will get a number of votes in accordance with their voted-out-order. Meaning, Brad will get one vote, jury member #2 gets 2 votes, Jury # 3 get s 3 votes and so on until the F3 bootee will get 10 votes. If this works out, I like it because it means that the players that were a bigger part of the game get more say in the outcome, while relatively meaningless Brad gets little say. It will also require the winner to be very diplomatic with those last few boots.

The numbers will work out because it will result in 55 total votes, so there must be a winner. A 7 or 8 member jury would not have worked using this method, because there would be an even number of total votes, though 9 would've been OK.

One question that I am still mulling over is whether MB will allow split votes (F3 bootee can split their votes 5-5 if they want) or if they must give all teir votes to one F2 tribe member.

So what do you think?




"RE: It'll be a weighted vote scheme..."
Posted by KObrien_fan on 11-13-06 at 09:58 AM
I like the premise, but how about something a little easier: The F3 person gets two votes (and has to apply them to one person only), all the others get 1 vote. This would make 11 votes total and no chance for a tie, plus the person that chooses who to take to F2 would have to choose super wisely.



"RE: It'll be a weighted vote scheme..."
Posted by Chez on 11-13-06 at 10:58 AM
I like this idea, K O'B. It is relatively simple, it influences the final immunity winner to choose wisely, and it avoids a tie.

It still seems strange though - why couldn't MB just start the jury one person later and avoid all this?


"RE: It'll be a weighted vote scheme..."
Posted by michel on 11-13-06 at 12:37 PM
This weighed scheme would be even more of an incentive to lose the final challenge. We've already had Richard, Ethan and Matt that didn't compete. Even Vee and Aras prefered to make deals. You don't need more incentive to reward the loser of the challenge that is brought to the jury.

Putting the F3 immunity winner's name on the first parchement means there would be 11 ballots in the urn and it really encourages those last 3 players to fight it out.


"I love that idea"
Posted by Chez on 11-14-06 at 12:05 PM
That is a really good idea, Michel. So what I understand you are saying is every person voted out from now on will be on the jury, leading to F2, meaning 10 jury votes. But one extra vote will be put into the urn right up front and that will be the name of the F3 immunity challenge winner.

This plan is simple, it encourages a true fight for the F3 immunity challenge, it keeps the numbers of votes odd, keeps the F2 (rather than F3) concept, and it does not require any future evictees to miss being on the jury from this point forward.

It seems perfect!


"RE: I love that idea"
Posted by Brownroach on 11-14-06 at 12:14 PM
it encourages a true fight for the F3 immunity challenge

It might encourage future contestants who've watched S13, but it wouldn't have any effect on this final 3 unless they are told about it before the challenge.


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"RE: I love that idea"
Posted by michel on 11-14-06 at 02:06 PM
You've got it Chez. Sorry, I had more details in post #8 but that got lost I guess. The F3 players could be told before the challenge starts and it could be kept secret from the other 9 jury members.

"The note a fire-building challenge?"
Posted by Rebel Crown on 11-13-06 at 04:21 PM
I wanted to add another theory that has yet to be posted, but has been used in the past. The fire-building challenge has been used in various ways; why not here?

The note in the bottle could say that the next 2 voted off will, with Brad, participate to see who makes the final jury. This eliminates the "even jury" problem, with 2 of the eligible 3 going to the jury and the third going home. Pure speculation on my part, but wanted to add the idea since it made sense to me and I didn't see anyone else say it.



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"RE: The note a fire-building challenge?"
Posted by Woogie on 11-14-06 at 05:18 AM
Well, I can't see why. What is the use of making the juries/voted outs to participate in challenges within themselves for jury?

I saw a post that says one will be willing to not be on the jury to see all those people again until the end of the season, rather than have to come back to that yucky place every 3 days to see those who voted you out. I totally agrre with that.


"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by spacey on 11-14-06 at 05:32 PM
I had a thought.

Maybe the producers are going to have the public vote the last week and if they have a tie they will use the public vote to break it at the live show.


"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by Brownroach on 11-14-06 at 05:37 PM
Prometheus at Sucks is now saying the jury is 9, with the final 3 all competing for the grand prize.



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"RE: The Jury. Thoughts?"
Posted by Flowerpower on 11-14-06 at 06:35 PM
Thanks for the link, BR! Well, I don't know Prometheus and what kind of info he/she has, but it sure makes sense to me as I suggested up above in post #2. The F3 person historically has been a popular and deserving daw, this way, they all have a shot....don't know though.

As for the other info Prometheus is spoiling...well, color that surprising, to say the least. His F5 is not who I would suspect...very suspect to me...


"What about the tie?"
Posted by Cathy the Canadian on 11-14-06 at 08:36 PM
This is what Flowerpower and I initially thought - but it could still end in a tie.

So would they do a fire challenge tie breaker? Or *gasp* purple rocks?

Or... maybe the 9 member jury begins by voting OUT one of the final three. They can't vote for whoever won immunity, so there would be no tie. The jury decides who the final immunity winner takes to the final 2.

And that person doesn't get to sit on the jury (or, as has been put forth already, gets to replace someone else on the jury), so we again have 9 voting for 2, no chance of a tie.

Whatcha think?


"RE: What about the tie?"
Posted by Brownroach on 11-15-06 at 11:02 AM
I still think that if you make the jury you will stay on the jury and be able to cast a vote, and that everyone who leaves before the final 2 or 3 (whichever) will be on the jury, and that the winner will be decided strictly by jury votes as it always has been.

I don't know about Prometheus' info either. He/she did say that Brad would be the first person on the jury, but at that the time he/she also said the jury would have ten people.


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