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"S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by IceCat on 12-08-05 at 07:40 PM
Please keep all discussion of tonight's episode on this thread until 11:00PM Eastern Time. Thanks
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"HELLLO!"
Posted by vince3 on 12-08-05 at 07:56 PM
Anybody home???
"RE: HELLLO!"
Posted by RudyRules on 12-08-05 at 07:58 PM
Present!


Feliz Navidad to one and all!

"RE: HELLLO!"
Posted by Snidget on 12-08-05 at 08:03 PM
I'm here so far only recaps
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by kathliam on 12-08-05 at 07:56 PM
I'm observing only tonight, but I'm here.
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by vince3 on 12-08-05 at 07:57 PM
*waves*
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by Estee on 12-08-05 at 08:02 PM
Who will be voted out next?

*cue lingering shot of Cindy*

Cute.

"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by RudyRules on 12-08-05 at 08:04 PM
Will Afrin give all day relief for Judd congestion???


Feliz Navidad to one and all!

"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by RudyRules on 12-08-05 at 08:05 PM
Poor Cindy was clueless... She's nervous about the "pattern"... she should be!


Feliz Navidad to one and all!

"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by Snidget on 12-08-05 at 08:07 PM
Rafe bonding with the woman. Lydia says he is just one of the girls.
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by RudyRules on 12-08-05 at 08:07 PM
Rafe just realized that he's the last man standing. But he's happy. I might be too but with Rafe being gay, I don't know what's so great about it for him.


Feliz Navidad to one and all!

"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by Snidget on 12-08-05 at 08:07 PM
Car keys as tree mail
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by Snidget on 12-08-05 at 08:09 PM
Lydia and Stephanie both really want the car bad. Steph never had one of her own. Lydia wants it for 17 year old son.

Challange is "second chances"

"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by RudyRules on 12-08-05 at 08:08 PM
Treemail: Car keys.
Steph has never owned a car!


Feliz Navidad to one and all!

"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by chickgigi on 12-08-05 at 11:02 PM
The Pharmaceutical company that Steph was a salesrep for provides them with a car (and gas to boot). She was let go when she decided to try Survivor the 2nd time, so she would have gone home to no vehicle. Still will thanks to Cindy!
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 12-09-05 at 01:26 AM
I wouldn't weep for poor ole Queen Stephy.

She'll be fine for money for a long time with appearances to come and she's also earned some money from her two Survivor shows (including 2nd place money), so it's not like she'll be hurting for cash to buy a car with.



Scratch and sniff
"Tsk, tsk. Pepe's messing with the newbies again." Spidey, 3/30/05

"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by kathliam on 12-08-05 at 08:08 PM
Tree mail: a key fob. Rafe is the only male left in the tribe, the women are all comfortable with him being there.

All survivors are excited about the car challenge.

"Treemail!"
Posted by vince3 on 12-08-05 at 08:08 PM
And they put in a car key. They think it's gonna be a car challenge. (DUH! Ain't it about that time?)
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by ViningsGal on 12-08-05 at 08:09 PM
Prediction: Cindy wins reward, gives up car and gets voted out anyway! Ok, that's just wishing.
"Poor Jamie"
Posted by cycles2k on 12-08-05 at 08:10 PM
A challenge involving cutting a rope and Jamie gets no chance to redeem himself.
"Super Challenge!"
Posted by vince3 on 12-08-05 at 08:10 PM
And it's an elimination super challenge, yet!
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by RudyRules on 12-08-05 at 08:10 PM
Balance beam, then break a tile, then solve a puzzle, then race to the finish.
Winner: Car and feast spending night away.

"Falling like flies"
Posted by cycles2k on 12-08-05 at 08:12 PM
So far everyone but Danni has fallen off the beam.
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by RudyRules on 12-08-05 at 08:12 PM
Everyone keeps falling off and starting over again.
First heat: Cindy, Danni, and Steph move on.
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by Snidget on 12-08-05 at 08:12 PM
Danni Cindy and Staph move on to next round
"Round 1 over!"
Posted by vince3 on 12-08-05 at 08:12 PM
Danni 1st
Cindy 2nd
Steph 3rd
"Round 2 over!"
Posted by vince3 on 12-08-05 at 08:13 PM
Cindy 1st
Steph 2nd
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by Snidget on 12-08-05 at 08:13 PM
Staph and Cindy move on to finals.
"Round 3"
Posted by cycles2k on 12-08-05 at 08:13 PM
Cindy and Steph still in.
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by RudyRules on 12-08-05 at 08:14 PM
Just Cindy and Steph...

Winner...

Cindy!

"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by RudyRules on 12-08-05 at 08:16 PM
LAST EDITED ON 12-08-05 AT 08:16 PM (EST)

The curse of the Bambino car!
Cindy KEEPS the car!
And is thus CURSED!

"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by RudyRules on 12-08-05 at 08:19 PM
She doesn't didn't believe in curses.
Maybe she does by now.


Feliz Navidad to one and all!

"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by Estee on 12-08-05 at 08:29 PM
Of all things, I was thinking about the par-three course at Augusta and the number of players who've sworn to put the ball in the water...

(No one's ever won the P-3 and the Masters in the same year.)

"DUN DUN DUN!"
Posted by vince3 on 12-08-05 at 08:15 PM
Jeff speaks about the "Car Curse"
"Gasp - here it comes"
Posted by cycles2k on 12-08-05 at 08:15 PM
Give up the car and give cars too all others.

OMGs all around.

"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by ViningsGal on 12-08-05 at 08:15 PM
SUCKS TO BE CINDY!
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by Snidget on 12-08-05 at 08:16 PM
Give up the car and the other 4 get cars.

And the cars all drive up.

Does she or doesn't she....

Want them to have cars
But want to say screw the curse.

I would love to give them cars, but I'm here to beat the odds. She keeps the car and takes Staph with for the reward.

"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by cycles2k on 12-08-05 at 08:17 PM
Cindy keeps car, takes Steph. Others give her a round of applause (while quietly thinking about how to get rid of Cindy).
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by ViningsGal on 12-08-05 at 08:17 PM
Lydia doesn't get to eat - AGAIN!
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by cycles2k on 12-08-05 at 08:19 PM
I was never a fan but I am starting to see loveable Lydia as the ultimate underdog and find myself rooting for her.

"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by J Slice on 12-08-05 at 08:17 PM
You know what?

Good for Cindy.

Now Stef gets to go off for her umpteenth meal, too.

"Food "
Posted by ViningsGal on 12-08-05 at 08:20 PM
They keep track of how many seasons didn't have a car winner win the whole thing -- do they keep track of who eats the most via rewards?? Steph has to be the top contender there!
"RE: Food "
Posted by Lisa0116 on 12-09-05 at 09:16 AM
>They keep track of how many
>seasons didn't have a car
>winner win the whole thing
>-- do they keep track
>of who eats the most
>via rewards?? Steph has
>to be the top contender
>there!


Try Katie.....

"RE: Food "
Posted by michel on 12-09-05 at 09:59 AM
LOL. Katie! The only survivor to gain weight during a season! And she had listed loosing weight as one of her motivation to go on the show!
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by davwav02 on 12-08-05 at 08:21 PM
That's why I was hoping Steph would win reward, so she'd have to make that choice...oh well
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by RudyRules on 12-08-05 at 08:22 PM
OK, Time to get drunk!!!
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by kathliam on 12-08-05 at 08:23 PM
Way ahead of you, Rudy.
"About the other Pontiacs...."
Posted by vince3 on 12-08-05 at 08:22 PM
During the commercial break they said something about an online contest to win the 4 "abandoned" Pontiacs.
"Nobody was bitter"
Posted by cycles2k on 12-08-05 at 08:23 PM
So says Cindy.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Rafe and Danni are expressing their bitterness.

"RE: Nobody was bitter"
Posted by alwaysintruble1 on 12-08-05 at 08:26 PM
Rafe and Danni can say that all they want, but in the position that Cindy was in after being left out at last TC, I don't blame her one bit for keeping the car.

"RE: Nobody was bitter"
Posted by dabo on 12-09-05 at 00:54 AM
And one can just imagine how bitter Steph would have been had Cindy not taken her along for the ride. That's the reeal curse, win the sucha and you pretty much guarantee that you have to win a string of immunities to get to F2. Better off being one of the three in camp plotting revenge than one of the two off having a grand time.
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by Snidget on 12-08-05 at 08:23 PM
Cindy thinks no one is bitter.

Cue tape of Rafe being bitter

"Rafe's a complete idiot..."
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 12-08-05 at 08:27 PM
Does he honestly believe that it's the "right thing to do" and that "there's no way he'd vote for Cindy" if she gave them all a car?

Good for Cindy... she knows her arse is on the chopping block and that she's on the outside. They didn't clue her in on the Judd boot and made her feel like a fool for being kept out of the loop, so why should she do the others a favour? And if she really believed there was a chance that the others would all keep her around just because she won a car, then she deserves to be booted for that reason alone. It's a game of outplay, outwit and outlast. She earned the car so keep it.



Scratch and sniff
"Tsk, tsk. Pepe's messing with the newbies again." Spidey, 3/30/05

"RE: Rafe's a complete idiot..."
Posted by Estee on 12-08-05 at 08:30 PM
'zactly. It's 'I either win immunity or I'm out. I can be out with a car or I can be out without a car. Let me think about that for a minute...'
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by RudyRules on 12-08-05 at 08:24 PM
Rafe can't believe that Cindy didn't give everyone a car...
Danni agrees.
Bye Bye Cindy, selfish wench! Now I vote against Cindy, Rafe implies.
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by ViningsGal on 12-08-05 at 08:25 PM
I'm sick of watching Stephenie eat - her eyes bug out! G-ross!
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by cycles2k on 12-08-05 at 08:28 PM
How do you think the Mayans feel? Stephanie probably ate all the corn in the country.
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by RudyRules on 12-08-05 at 08:26 PM
Cindy and Steph plot to boot Danni.
"Scheming aplenty"
Posted by cycles2k on 12-08-05 at 08:27 PM
Steph and Cindy decide its time for Danni to go. Figure Lydia is the follower and they can bring Rafe onside.

Now we really find out if Rafe is the puppet or the puppetmaster. I hope the later.

"RE: Scheming aplenty"
Posted by PBJ on 12-08-05 at 08:29 PM
Danni's going nowhere.

Stupid Cincy.

"Stephanie's enthusiasm"
Posted by Angelfood on 12-08-05 at 08:30 PM
Cindy is going on about Stephanie's enthusiasm - but isn't that more like the kiss of death. Steph was enthusiastic and supportive w Judd's wife too. Duh. Buh bye Cindy.
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by RudyRules on 12-08-05 at 08:30 PM
Tonight on Letterman...
Judd sets himself on fire to show tose scumbags what they've done to him!
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by cycles2k on 12-08-05 at 08:31 PM
LOL. Hilarious.
"Keep Me Informed!!!!"
Posted by JuniorTheorist on 12-08-05 at 08:32 PM
Crisis mode: just got a break-in from the local news about a plane mess at a local airport (in Chicago) --- am watching the episode, rapt, just wanna know what I missed.

Keep up the good work!!

"Cindy brougt back the salt!"
Posted by vince3 on 12-08-05 at 08:31 PM
And she keeps pouring it on the other 3!
"RE: Cindy brougt back the salt!"
Posted by vince3 on 12-08-05 at 08:34 PM
And took it with her to the IC!
"One final dose of salt!"
Posted by vince3 on 12-08-05 at 08:53 PM
She digs them one more time about her NEW CAR!!! on her way out. Judd gives thumbs-up!

Cindy's sister Mindy is the only one in the Febreeze moment.

"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by Snidget on 12-08-05 at 08:31 PM
Cindy doesn't notice that people are getting annoyed about her going on and on and on about the car.

She thinks they were excited for her

"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by ViningsGal on 12-08-05 at 08:31 PM
Cindy is talking her way out of the final 4! Loser!
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by RudyRules on 12-08-05 at 08:33 PM
Lydia thinks the vehicle is "nice smelling."

Rafe and Steph disagree on whether Cindy should have kept the car.

"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by Snidget on 12-08-05 at 08:34 PM
Rafe tells Staph he would give the car up.

Staph shocked anyone would do that. Rafe shocked people would keep it.

Rafe wonders if he is playing the game too nice.

"Yet another"
Posted by moonbaby on 12-08-05 at 08:35 PM
bondage challenge.

"RE: Yet another"
Posted by Estee on 12-08-05 at 08:42 PM
missed opportunity to ball-gag Jeff.
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by RudyRules on 12-08-05 at 08:35 PM
IC:
Untangle rope and unlock self...
Get flag to go up.

Steph with early lead, Rafe right behind.

"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by RudyRules on 12-08-05 at 08:38 PM
LAST EDITED ON 12-08-05 AT 08:39 PM (EST)

Steph well ahead...
and wins!
Overcome with tears.

"OMG"
Posted by Snidget on 12-08-05 at 08:39 PM
Staph finally won something.
"OMG!!"
Posted by vince3 on 12-08-05 at 08:38 PM
Steph finally wins Individual Challenge!
"Immunity winner"
Posted by cycles2k on 12-08-05 at 08:38 PM
Steph. And she cries.
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by ViningsGal on 12-08-05 at 08:39 PM
Stephenie wins "OMG I finally win something!"....
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by Estee on 12-08-05 at 08:40 PM
Jeff: 'Steph, who are you going to take with you on your win?'
Stephenie: 'I'll take me!'


"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by willinCal on 12-08-05 at 08:39 PM
LAST EDITED ON 12-08-05 AT 08:40 PM (EST)

Wait. They're making this boot choice too easy - something's up.

"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by cycles2k on 12-08-05 at 08:42 PM
I was thinking the same thing exactly. Another surprise, or are they using some type of reverse psychology in the editing?
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by RudyRules on 12-08-05 at 08:40 PM
Cut to commercial...

Hook up for the holidays???
At Walmart???

"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by RudyRules on 12-08-05 at 08:42 PM
Pepe LeBee takes Nasonex!
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by johncena95 on 12-08-05 at 08:44 PM
stephs eyes are always big.....wonder why
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 12-08-05 at 08:47 PM
>Pepe LeBee takes Nasonex!

Who? Wha? Since when did my last name change and since when do I take Nasonex?



Scratch and sniff
"Tsk, tsk. Pepe's messing with the newbies again." Spidey, 3/30/05

"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by RudyRules on 12-08-05 at 08:42 PM
Shot of Judd's croc moving in for the kill!
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by RudyRules on 12-08-05 at 08:44 PM
Danni and Rafe are ROCK solid together. No matter what!
Promises, promises...
You know what they say about promises...
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by johncena95 on 12-08-05 at 08:47 PM
poor Rafe might get voted out
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by ViningsGal on 12-08-05 at 08:46 PM
Stephenie blabs strategy to Cindy....
"Steph runs to Cindi. "
Posted by cycles2k on 12-08-05 at 08:46 PM
Cindy runs to Danni.

Now they are scheming about Rafe.

"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by RudyRules on 12-08-05 at 08:47 PM
Cindy desperately tries to get the all girl final four card into play.
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by RudyRules on 12-08-05 at 08:48 PM
Judd smiling on the jury like a cheshire cat.
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by ViningsGal on 12-08-05 at 08:48 PM
Looks like Rafe might go home... no one strategized with Lydia.
"The most logical thing ever said"
Posted by volsfan on 12-08-05 at 08:48 PM
in any season of Survivor.

Cindy says that if they get rid of Rafe then the girls have a better shot of winning this Survivor.

UM...that would be 100% for sure that one of the girls would win.

*rolls eyes*

"Judd on the jury"
Posted by cycles2k on 12-08-05 at 08:48 PM
Looks like he is itching to jump from the jury at lunge at the remaining survivors.
"VERY Colorful jury!!!!!"
Posted by vince3 on 12-08-05 at 08:49 PM
*snert*

*giggle*

*LOL*

*ROTFLMAO*

Bobby Jon in Pink
Jamie in Brown
Gary in Yellow
Judd in Green

"Voted OUT!"
Posted by johncena95 on 12-08-05 at 08:51 PM
1 vote rafe 2 vote cindy 3 vote cindy 4 vote CINDY GOT VOTED OUT!
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by ViningsGal on 12-08-05 at 08:50 PM
Rafe looks sad and desperate.
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 12-08-05 at 08:54 PM
Rafe sure took a huge hit in the editing of his character, didn't he? For anyone who still has doubts that he won't make final two, this should be crystal clear now.



Scratch and sniff
"Tsk, tsk. Pepe's messing with the newbies again." Spidey, 3/30/05

"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by vince3 on 12-08-05 at 09:22 PM
Did you hear what Rafe said as he voted out Cindy? Something to the effect of "I figured you'd go whichever way the wind was blowing. With me as a threat, you're coming after me. But I'm ahead of you and will vote you out." Statement got fuzzy after that, may need to go play it again, after I shovel the snow.
"Voting"
Posted by cycles2k on 12-08-05 at 08:51 PM
Rafe votes Cindi, Cindy votes Rafe. We see no others.
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by RudyRules on 12-08-05 at 08:51 PM
LAST EDITED ON 12-08-05 AT 08:52 PM (EST)

Who will be the bootee...

Bye bye cursed lady Cindy!

edited to fix strikeout.

"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by Outfrontgirl on 12-08-05 at 08:52 PM
Could she have been left OUT OF THE LOOP?

Hey, I was worried about Rafe there for a minute.

"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by kathliam on 12-08-05 at 08:53 PM
...and the curse continues.
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by willinCal on 12-08-05 at 08:54 PM
*sigh* I was hoping for a surprise bootee.
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by ViningsGal on 12-08-05 at 08:52 PM
Buh Bye, Cindy!!!!!!!!! ha!
"Yah Rafe"
Posted by cycles2k on 12-08-05 at 08:52 PM
You da man. I thought you were a Steph puppet. I was wrong. Good on ya.
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by RudyRules on 12-08-05 at 08:55 PM
Commercial...

All remaining Survivor will be running out to try to win a car at their local Pontiac dealership!

"What did Cindy say? "
Posted by cycles2k on 12-08-05 at 08:56 PM
I missed what Cindy said to the tribe as she carried her torch. Did anyone catch it?
"RE: What did Cindy say? "
Posted by Fishercat on 12-08-05 at 08:59 PM
"I'll be thinking of you guys when I look at the stars through my new sunroof"

Or something to that effect. Then Judd gave a fistpump.

"RE: What did Cindy say? "
Posted by cycles2k on 12-08-05 at 08:59 PM
Thanks FisherCat
"RE: What did Cindy say? "
Posted by davwav02 on 12-08-05 at 08:59 PM
She said something to the effect of:

"I'll think of you guys when I'm looking at the stars through the sunroof of my new car."

"RE: What did Cindy say? "
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 12-08-05 at 08:59 PM
Something along the lines of "I'll be looking up at the stars through the sunroof of my brand new car."



Scratch and sniff
"Tsk, tsk. Pepe's messing with the newbies again." Spidey, 3/30/05

"She said"
Posted by moonbaby on 12-08-05 at 09:00 PM
LAST EDITED ON 12-08-05 AT 09:01 PM (EST)

something much nicer than Judd did

Yep I had to edit because dial up is waaaay tooooo slow, there were a zillion responses here.

"RE: What did Cindy say? "
Posted by alwaysintruble1 on 12-08-05 at 09:00 PM
Something about thinking about all of them while she was looking at the starts through the roof of her new car.
"RE: What did Cindy say? "
Posted by vince3 on 12-08-05 at 09:00 PM
Something to the effect of "I'll be looking up at the stars and thinking about you guys through the sun-roof of MY NEW CAR!!!
"Thank you"
Posted by cycles2k on 12-08-05 at 09:01 PM
To all who replied. Sounds like a pretty good line. Much classier than Judd.
"RE: Thank you"
Posted by Brownroach on 12-09-05 at 11:19 AM
Those weren't duplicate replies, Cindy actually said it that many times.

"graceful exit"
Posted by JuniorTheorist on 12-08-05 at 09:02 PM
I just wanted to say that Cindy's exit tonight was really graceful, respectful. There are always a number of classy exits on Survivor, but given that Cindy couldn't know that she was actually leaving, it was impressive that the things she recounted were totally inoffensive.
"Wait a minute!"
Posted by Estee on 12-08-05 at 08:57 PM
Was any necklace visible in that '15th person voted out' shot?
"RE: Wait a minute!"
Posted by volsfan on 12-08-05 at 09:02 PM
That was the first thing I thought of and I thought I would have to wait until we get the vid caps. I didn't see one.
"RE: Wait a minute!"
Posted by vince3 on 12-08-05 at 09:16 PM
It looks like Rafe's holding it, but it's hard to tell because everybody has extra clothes on. Must've been chilly that night!
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by Outfrontgirl on 12-08-05 at 08:59 PM
Did they show the 5th vote at the end? Was Cindy all alone?
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 12-08-05 at 09:01 PM
Yup, 4-1, ciao Cindy.



Scratch and sniff
"Tsk, tsk. Pepe's messing with the newbies again." Spidey, 3/30/05

"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by mdldw on 12-08-05 at 09:02 PM
They showed all the votes- Cindy was the only one voting for Rafe. Guess Judd liked her comment and that she didn't give the car up!
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by Snidget on 12-08-05 at 09:02 PM
Assuming I saw it right I think it was 4 votes for Cindy.
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by vince3 on 12-08-05 at 09:02 PM
Yep, the final tally was Cindy 4, Rafe 1
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by Outfrontgirl on 12-08-05 at 09:07 PM
thanks guys!
any thoughts on what was not shown that turned it around?
Rafe's discussions with Danni and Steph?
and clearly someone did talk to Lydia and collect her available vote ...

And what was the deal with Cindy trying to vote out Rafe when she and Steph discussed voting out Danni ... which might have worked. Anyone see why she changed it around?

"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 12-08-05 at 09:11 PM
Rafe was rather put out that Cindy had the "nerve" to not give out cars to the others, he repeatedly harped on this and wouldn't shut up about it.

I think Cindy went to talk to him at some point during the who-shall-we-vote-for scrum and picked up a vibe from him that there was no way he'd consider Danni, so she had to go to Plan B to talk to the other girls about taking Rafe out. She likely thought it was a better shot to try the Rafe's too strong angle than to target Lydia who's a freebie vote.



Scratch and sniff
"Tsk, tsk. Pepe's messing with the newbies again." Spidey, 3/30/05

"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by true on 12-09-05 at 07:59 AM
And what was the deal with Cindy trying to vote out Rafe when she and Steph discussed voting out Danni ... which might have worked. Anyone see why she changed it around?

You've probably seen the ep by now, OFG, but I'll answer your question anyway.

Steph told Cindy that she was the target, and that Rafe was leading the change in their plans. She got peeved, and decided to target Rafe instead of Danni. Meanwhile, Danni has to be cracking up at these idiots while she slips by, yet again.

I have a question for you..

What do you make of the promise that Danni made to Rafe re: final 2? If the Steph/Danni final 2 is accurate, and I think it is, I just assumed that Danni would win IC at final 3 and take Steph over Rafe. Now, I just don't see her going against him like that. Will Steph backstab yet another jury member and be the one to cut Rafe at F3 and keep Danni? Seems nuts to me.

"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by Fishercat on 12-08-05 at 09:04 PM
Cindy was all alone, 4-1.
"The biggest lie of the whole game was told tonight:"
Posted by KObrien_fan on 12-08-05 at 09:01 PM
Danni to Rafe: If I win the final immunity I will take you to the final 2 even if I have no chance of beating you...(and Rafe believed her!)


"RE: The biggest lie of the whole game was told tonight:"
Posted by Outfrontgirl on 12-08-05 at 09:03 PM
Liar liar pants on fire ...
One vote for Steph in the making ...

"RE: The biggest lie of the whole game was told tonight:"
Posted by true on 12-09-05 at 08:14 AM
oops, should have scrolled down before I asked my question above.

The editing has sure set up poor Rafe for the ultimate screw over by Danni. First, we had Gary telling Rafe how trustworthy Danni is, then we have Danni confessing that Rafe is the only one she can trust. Next, we have Danni promising to take Rafe to final 2 if she's in that position. We also had Steph confessing that Danni hasn't lied.

Alternately, we have Steph blatantly backstabbing each member of her alliance, and she's well aware of how that hurts her on the jury.

Clearly, the other 3 would be best off, jury wise, to face backstabbing Steph in the finals, but who would Steph be better off facing? Lydia would be her first choice, as nobody feels she is worthy, but the decision between Rafe and Danni would be more difficult. If Steph were to screw over Rafe too, would it really make a difference, considering her track record? She could take Rafe, and paint him as the one who made the decisions, not that the jury would buy it, but it's possible. She'd have no defense against Danni if she took her to final 2.

I guess the only way to make the final decision suspensful for the audience is to build up Danni as an angel, only to have her make the ultimate cut throat move at the end. I still think she wins big over Steph.

"RE: The biggest lie of the whole game was told tonight:"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 12-08-05 at 09:04 PM
Yeah they could have shown many F2 promises throughout the game, but we were shown this for a reason -- Danni's gonna screw Rafe over, and it's a great move to help ensure she gets by Lydia in the F4 vote.



Scratch and sniff
"Tsk, tsk. Pepe's messing with the newbies again." Spidey, 3/30/05

"Gnite gang"
Posted by cycles2k on 12-08-05 at 09:06 PM
Good episode. Predictable but good.

Only one Survivor left that I do not like. Guess who - hint, she has no car because she spends all of her money on food.

"RE: Gnite gang"
Posted by RudyRules on 12-08-05 at 09:11 PM
Ummmm.... Boy that's a toughy!


Feliz Navidad to one and all!

"Cindy's vote"
Posted by michel on 12-08-05 at 09:29 PM
By telling Cindy of Rafe's plan, Steph has assured herself of Cindy's vote if she's in F2 even if it's against Danni.
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by mdldw on 12-08-05 at 09:09 PM
LAST EDITED ON 12-08-05 AT 09:14 PM (EST)

In the preview, Steph says she gonna give 'em he11 and I'm so nervous, Lydia says she's not giving up and Rafe makes a comment about having a chance to win the million- why no comment from Danni? Also, whose torch is set apart from the others when they are leaning against the wall? And to me it looked like possibly Rafe is wearing the necklace. Not sure though.

Edit: oops, guess it was Danni that said "I'm so nervous" Still wonder if the one torch set apart is anything??

"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by emydi on 12-08-05 at 09:28 PM
I saw the IN on Rafe in the "and the 15th person voted out of SG is....."

I went back looked at it on Steph when she was voting and then to them sitting there and Rafe has the IN on...no doubt.


and KT, yes I was surprised that Danni said that and Rafe believed it..he didn't make the same promise to her bc he knows he would take Steph...

After tonite...yes, Pepe, no way Rafe makes it to F2, I see the final voting as:

The Colorful 4 men of hte Jury and the "OMH I won a car": Danni

vs.

2 Rafe (bc Danni screws him over) and Lydia bc she's so used to voting as Steph wants her too

Well at least we saw that Steph has some clue about jury votes, but yet, she didn't try to sway Lydia to vote Danni and/or Rafe...I guess Rafe has more pull over Lydia than Steph does.


"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by mdldw on 12-08-05 at 09:20 PM
Did anyone just see the new preview that was shown during CSI? I walked in at the very end and only saw a shot of Steph and it looked like she was crying again- but it also looked like that could have ben recycled from the family reunion show.
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by The_Black_Mamba on 12-08-05 at 09:26 PM
LAST EDITED ON 12-08-05 AT 09:41 PM (EST) by SurvivorBlows (admin)

IC winner at final 4 is Rafe:

Link To Vidcap

"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by Estee on 12-08-05 at 09:31 PM
CBS editors=idiots. That's a world-class slip.
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by Outfrontgirl on 12-08-05 at 09:33 PM
Great pic but can you PLEASE resize it because it made the whole thread too wide for normal screen and hard to read now ...
Thanks for putting it up so fast though!

"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by emydi on 12-08-05 at 09:35 PM
See NO DOUBT

ok so are they going to have the S12 winner on TES tomorrow too?

"F4 vote"
Posted by michel on 12-08-05 at 09:44 PM
Not only do they give us Rafe as the IC winner but the card Jeff is holding up has a "D" as the first letter. Of course it could be the only vote she receives but is that the moment when Jeff says 15th person voted out? It doesn't make sense but...
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 12-08-05 at 09:47 PM
I think it's a legit pic... thanks Mamba!

Having said that... how can we be sure it's not a recycled event and some people are simply out of the picture, along with some torches?



Scratch and sniff
"Tsk, tsk. Pepe's messing with the newbies again." Spidey, 3/30/05

"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by emydi on 12-08-05 at 10:00 PM
NO pepe it is not a recycled event...I just looked at it again on my tivo and Jiffy says

"and the 15th person voted out of SG Is..."

and he turns over the sheet and the shot immediately goes onto the 4 of them sitting alone with Rafe wearing the IN...as shown in the above link...

But I do not see any letters on it NO D or anything...I went hyper slow thru it and you do not see any of the writing on the parchment paper...

just CBS being CBS, Pepe..

"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by michel on 12-08-05 at 10:10 PM
I don't have tivo so I'm looking only at the vidcap but just under Jeff left shoulder and to the right of Steph's head you see the extremity of the voting card and half a letter. By what is shown, it cannot be a "L" or a "S". It could be part of a "R" but since Rafe has immunity then it has to be a "D"
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by emydi on 12-08-05 at 10:21 PM
look again, that's the back of the parchment paper, michel, and it's a shadow of one of Jiffy's fingers holding the paper, not writing...I saw it on Tivo too, it's a shadow
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by The_Black_Mamba on 12-08-05 at 10:25 PM
>look again, that's the back of
>the parchment paper, michel, and
>it's a shadow of one
>of Jiffy's fingers holding the
>paper, not writing...I saw it
>on Tivo too, it's a
>shadow

Must be a nasty dislocation of the first joint of his finger, making it bend way down like that so it looks like a D.


"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by alwaysintruble1 on 12-08-05 at 10:44 PM
If it is a letter showing through, wouldn't it be the last letter of the person's name seeing how he shows it to the camera looking at him?

It looks like a point at the top which could be the last A in Lydia?

"The Voting parchment"
Posted by michel on 12-08-05 at 10:54 PM
It isn't showing through the voting parchment, it is facing us because Jeff is reading it. It is the first letter. I'm thinking however that it's someone else's vote, the bootee (Lydia?), who votes Danni. Unless we have voice over announcing 15th person voted out at that moment but even that wouldn't be conclusive since it could be due to edit.
All it does mean however is if someone is voting to boot Danni out at F4, they probably wouldn't vote for her at F2. So, in addition to Cindy's vote, we can count a second vote for Steph if it is Steph/Danni in F2.
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by rjrabbit on 12-09-05 at 02:57 AM
emydi is right.

I watched it ib slo-mo on my Tivo and it is Jiffy's finger. The line going straight up is the shadow and the one at an angle is his little finger.

"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by Brownroach on 12-09-05 at 12:12 PM
Unless it looks completely different in the video I don't see how either of those lines can be Jeff's finger. How would he possibly be holding the parchment? Doesn't he hold them up from the side edges, since he has to unfold them? His fingers should be at the side edges, not in the middle of the parchment.


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"VG gif"
Posted by forehead on 12-09-05 at 04:12 PM
"RE: S11 EP13 East Coast Update Thread"
Posted by Created4LIfe on 12-09-05 at 10:09 AM
I think it is a poorly doctored pic. Rafe's left leg does not match in depth next to Lydia's shirt.

I believe it to be an obvioulsy doctored picture having the function of misleading us all.

Created4LIfe

"Be honest what would YOU have done?"
Posted by emydi on 12-08-05 at 09:50 PM
I guess this is a double ?

What would You yourself done if faced with the decision (not particularly in Cindy's position, but just what do you think you have done?)

or did Cindy make the right choice?

In hindsight, Cindy, of course made the right choice...but like the Title of tonight's show BIG WIN BIG DECISION....BIG MISTAKE? did that lead to her boot, sure looked like it as Rafe is the puppet master and he didn't like her decision at all. I guess it's the chicken v egg debate...

But if YOU were playing, what would you have done..do you think if Rafe would have won, he would have no doubt given up the car?

I think I would have given the cars away..for a few reasons...

1. I'm not enamored with a car, esp the gas guzzler they gave away..as Cindy and Steph seemed to be...come on it's just a car...

2. If I could give 4 people, who I probably would like in some way, a car, I would do it--and if you can believe it I'm being sincere which I think Rafe was being also, even if others don't think so. I def. would not have been as selfish as Steph--she is just a horrible little selfish troll...Cindy I could see the reasoning with her place in the game...as Pepe said above..she was out of the loop and probably gone anyway...but I think Rafe would have gone after Lydia (or even Danni) if Cindy had done what he considered the right thing.

3. I think the producers might have given me the car anyway...ala Matthew in S6 with the family visit. Even if they didn't...eh, I still would have given them away. Not bc of the curse, etc. I still would have gotten the meal.

So, am I crazy?

What would you do?

"RE: Be honest what would YOU have done?"
Posted by michel on 12-08-05 at 10:01 PM
LAST EDITED ON 12-08-05 AT 11:00 PM (EST)

Easy: If you plan on winning the million dollars, do not win any individual reward. Tribal reward and team rewards (like the one they had when 4 vs 4) are good to win for team spirit but individual rewards only bring resentment.
If a car or a day at the spa is good enough for you then go and play for it, otherwise, let someone else win.
Only if I'd been in Lydia's position, practically certain not to win, would have I even tried for the car. Then I would have kept it since giving it away would have meant the others would not let you near F2. Cindy would not have been voted out tonight, but at the next TC.

"If I were on Survivor..."
Posted by Round Robin on 12-08-05 at 11:45 PM
...I'd try to win any reward that had food involved. Any reward challenge with no food involved, I would just try to make it look like I wasn't throwing it, but I'd throw it unless the others were so bad that I'd have to obviously throw it not to win.
"RE: Be honest what would YOU have done?"
Posted by reddogblkcat on 12-09-05 at 00:04 AM
No I don't think you're crazy. There's a lot more in life than owning a car.

1.I don't drive so I don't need a car. We have a car with a sunroof and it gets better mileage than one of those cars could ever hope to get.

2.I do like Lydia,Rafe and Danni and would be more than happy to give them a car. Steph I would just like to run over with the car. If you haven't figured out how the game is played by this time keeping or giving won't make a difference. If you screw up you're gone simple as that.

3.I wouldn't have to pay the taxes on the car!

"RE: Be honest what would YOU have done?"
Posted by katethegreat on 12-09-05 at 08:51 AM
I agree with you. Either one of us gets a car, or four of us gets a car. I would have gone for the four cars, as long as I still got the meal.

I think Cindy made a bad decision, but she still probably wouldn't have won.

Also, I agree with someone else - don't win rewards in the individual challenges. Everyone not only resents it, they then target you as "strong".

"RE: Be honest what would YOU have done?"
Posted by Flowerpower on 12-09-05 at 09:26 AM
Cindy definately made the wrong choice. Remember when Amber got a car that Rob gave to her in the car challenge reward in A$$? Well, the winner of Survivor always wins a car too, she ended up having to give that other car away to one of the others, and she gave it to Shii-devil. So, one of the F5 was definately winning a car with winning the show, so whoever the winner was, would definately have given their extra car back to Cindy. I think it may have saved her as well....don't know, but it certainly would have been worth the gamble, imo!