He is completly kicking Shitlow's sorry ass.

Too bad the rule were designed so that some even are won with improvement instead of performance. This gives a huge advantage to Shitlow while giving an handicap to Wolf, even if he's 10 times stronger. Shitlow only need to cross that wooden wall faster in Coddington's cross and she'll win that event. This also made Shitlow win Haar's heartback.

And too bad the other recruits will be too dumb to see Shitlow's evil scheme and follow their heart against Wolf on the dismissal Hill.

Money or not, Wolf is the true winner.

• Rule Change - Whut a Load of Crap!,IceCat, 09:53 PM, 05-16-01
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Beat your best time? Oh puhlease!

Remember that award in school and for sports for 'Most Improved'? Basically, it rewards early incompetence instead of steady performance. It, of course, has merit as a motivation tool for under-achievers - but it's hardly appropriate in a head-to-head competition.

Well Boot Camp is shaping up to be a $500,000 'Most Improved Award'. Talk about changing the rules in the middle of the game - the Boot Camp producers learned well from MB.

I hate Wolf... he's an ass but (if he ends up losing) I sure wouldn't blame him if he launched a law suit ala Stacey.

Actually I'm thinking that this is a bit of a spoiler. There is no way that they would pull a creative rule stunt like this that so-obviously favors Whitlow and then have Whitlow win it. The possibility of a law suit is too great.

Wolf still takes it!

>Remember that award in school and for sports for 'Most
>Improved'? Basically, it rewards early incompetence instead of
>steady performance. It, of course, has merit as a motivation
>tool for under-achievers - but it's hardly appropriate in a
>head-to-head competition.

I philosophically disagree completely with these remarks. What it rewards is working hard to get out of the "incompetence" or "under-acheiving" state at the beginning. It rewards those who worked harder and got farther. Motivation for Under-achievers? How can you even suggest that? If anything, it rewards OVER-achievers for doing it better, more quickly than the other guy.

Chess tournaments frequently award prizes for "biggest upset" and "best performance relative to their rating". These rewards are not trying to acknowledge that someone was a bad chessplayer before, but rewards the fact that they've improved and become better.

While sometimes it is not appropriate for head-to-head competition, it's nearly PERFECT for the boot camp type environment. It shows how far along the recruits have come during this process. For example, for Whitlow to run the 1.5 miles in the time she did was phenomenal, not only as an improvement, but simply as a straight time.

*** Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

"I've never been bored a day in my life. Only boring people get bored." -- Jerri Manthey

When I went thru recruit training there were two individual awards for each platoon:

Best Recruit

Best Shot

The Most Improved thing belongs in the category of Modern Teaching Methods. Those same modern teaching methods where there are no standards and the student is just there to experience things and where testing is bad for the student's self image. The same teaching methods that result in university students who are functionally illiterate.

The debate over separate physical standards for male and female recruits was addressed by the Canadian military several years ago when it was decided that women could perform in combat arms roles. If female personnel are to perform in combat, they must perform at the same standard as the male personnel.

There must always be only one standard!

I kinda hope that Wolf loses the 500K and then sues them. I think the the larger debate that results surrounding the law suit would a positive thing.

Bravo, IC! Very well put!

Seems to me that they are adding new rules every episode,
each one being a little more biased towards rewarding the
improved incompetence, rather than for the one who is the
BEST.

Newest rule next week: "If Whitlow has enough sense to
put her boots on the right feet, she wins."

Of course, by stating RIGHT FEET, that will require much
thought on her part, deciding which foot is the right one
and trying to put both boots on it.

This is a GAME. If it wasn't they would make sure the 2 best were in the final. They would be kicked out each week by who were the 2 weakest. But instead they have this popularity voting. So the 2 finalists might not even be the 2 best recruits there. The show wanted a female in the final so they had to make the challenges equal in some ways. Wolf still has the great advantage. And if he doesn't win the most challenges there is something wrong. He should be able to hold the heavy pack longer than a woman without collapsing. And he should be able to run up those stairs over and over easier than Whitlow. So of course she should be suffering from exhaustion sooner than him. It is similar to Colby winning most of the challenges against his weaker competition. Whitlow needs to win the vote to beat Wolf.

I should restate my remarks to say that in the Boot Camp **GAME** environment, having some of the test be based on improvment as opposed to a pure standard is a good idea.

In real boot camp, of course you are correct that there must be one standard. REAL boot camp is not a game for the "most improved." But this TV show is NOT real boot camp.

Furthermore, while I'll be right up front of the line in accusing this show of being fixed, I don't think they're changing the rules as they go along. I think they planned to build in some "equalizers" all along because they planned to have a male v. female situation.

*** Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

"I've never been bored a day in my life. Only boring people get bored." -- Jerri Manthey

Last night was a joke as far as that 1.5 run goes. Wolf gave a 100% during the first run and still beat his time. If Wolf had known that he would be penalized for giving his all then he could have dogged it, hell he could have stayed back with Haar and really beat his time. A fairer method would have been to set it up similar to the Coddington leg. Have them run then at the end tell them the next day they will have to beat that time. If there is another Boot Camp you can bet that those recruits will be aware of this part of the gauntlet and lay back in the earlier events. Is this what we want to see? No. This is one of the big problems with the world today. Reward those who laid down in the beginning instead of those always give 100%. It is a sad day when you see slackers being rewarded. I don't know what is sadder, Whitlow running 1.5 in 14mins the first time or getting rewarded for beating that time last night. And please spare me the tears.

One possible spoiler, the scene where Whitlow tosses the wall rope in frustration, a seen in the previews, did not occur last night so perhaps it happens next week during the Coddington leg. If so perhaps she doesn't make it over the wall costing her that leg.

There are two types of people, predators and prey, and the sound you hear is the sharpening of my claws.

I tought Shitlow tossed the rope because she successfully climbed the wall.

It looked more like "I got you this time" rather than "#####, I sucks".

I agree with AresMars. I do because to me it appears that following her throwing the rope against the wall, Whitlow seems to be simply walking away, not taking off at a run for the next obstacle.

Even though it did appear a given she'd win this event next week, perhaps not. Maybe she'll win the challenge I'll call "Operation" - the arm in the circle. I hope whoever lets their arm down first gets an annoying buzzer and their nose lights up red.

Recruit "my gerbil's getting tired" Auditor

I think one reason that they DID tell Wolf that the winner was whoever beat their time by the largest margin is BECAUSE of what happened on Cuddleton's Course. Wolf felt cheated when they sprang that one on him after the CC, and might have thought the same thing for the run. So they tell him what it's about in order to get him to put the effort into it. I think it was the correct choice.

I also think it was a good idea not to let the recruits know who won that event, or the memory game. The suspense keeps these tired, nasty recruts working hard for that half-million dollars.

*** Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

RECRUIT BLU!!! GET ONTO CUDDLETON'S COURSE AND ***CUDDLE!!!***

wolf is the champion.
SHITLOW SUX .
I WOULD DYE IF WOLF AND SHITLOW GOES OUT THEY HAD THE WHOLE PLAN TO BE LAST 2.