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"Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"

Posted by true on 07-15-03 at 07:10 PM
http://www.bravotv.com/Queer_Eye_for_the_Straight_Guy/

This premiers tonight on Bravo. I've heard several radio spots for it, and it sounds like it could be fun. Five gay men make-over a straight guy in five different areas including- fashion, grooming, interior design, food and wine, and culture. Anyone planning to watch?



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"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by tvgeek401 on 07-15-03 at 10:26 PM
i saw the commercials for it, and it looks great.
unfortunately, i don't have bravo. sigh.
smiles
the tvgeek

"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by kyngsladye on 07-15-03 at 11:01 PM
I'm watching it!


"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by true on 07-15-03 at 11:12 PM
LAST EDITED ON 07-15-03 AT 11:14 PM (EST)

Was it good? I got busy and missed it, darnit!


edited to add- yay! It's still on, or maybe they are repeating it.


"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by SurvivorBlows on 07-16-03 at 01:59 AM
I caught the midnight to 2AM rebroadcast while doing some other stuff... seemed funny enough, but I gotta wonder where they find some of these people. Too bad it appears that all the folks are from the NYC-area, unfortunately I know a couple of good candidates in my area

-SB


"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by sbeck on 08-03-03 at 11:33 PM
LOL! I know some, too, starting with my boyfriend! (He's not messy at all, but he could use some help in the fashion department.)

"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by cqvenus on 07-16-03 at 09:57 AM
Being from NYC and currently living with a gay couple, this show was particularly hilarious.

We laughed hysterically. I think it's a good show. Just one question: WHAT is the budget/timeline for this??? They totally revamped this guy's disgusting house and made it seem like it took two hours!

~ cq


- watched it at 10, then the reair at 12!


"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by SurvivorBlows on 07-16-03 at 12:33 PM
I had the same question -- in both episodes they went out of their way to present it was though this all happened in ONE DAY!

I can't see them doing all the cleaning, shopping, painting, etc. they was done in either episode in only one day -- no matter if there are five of them. And those budgets also have to be pretty significant...

-SB


"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by kyngsladye on 07-16-03 at 06:23 PM
LAST EDITED ON 07-16-03 AT 10:01 PM (EST)

I'm assuming they have "helpers" like Trading Spaces does. TS have a construction assistant and a sewing assistant. Plus, anyone allowed on set gets roped into helping with projects.

Since they are known for their work, like Ted and Thom for example, I'm sure they have assistants outside of the show that can help shop for them.

The only budget I've seen so far was from the application--$2000 salary for each guy per episode.


"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by kiki_k on 07-16-03 at 03:34 PM
Saw the first two episodes on re-run by "accident" last night -- from the previews I expected to hate it (ie, thought it would stereotypes gays in a bad way), but I admit, I loved it and I'm hooked. *Two snaps for me!* The show was hilarious! Especially the blond fashionista guy -- best line (with Butch) "Look, they put a living room where the crack house used to be!" and (with Adam) "I said walk, not march like a weird little troll!" I also loved how the Fab 5 were like proud papas with their make overs -- they were wonderful, funny, sweetly bitchy -- great TV!


compliments of GeorgiaBelle

Beauty Product Queen of the Boards and a fancy girl to boot!


"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by TechNoir on 07-16-03 at 09:10 PM
I totally agree with you. I loved it !!

I loved when the fashionista guy tried to help the "gallery straight" take his pants off and the guy freaked ... they were Soooo funny.

At the end when they're done their straight does some special occasion -- one was a gallery opening and one an anniversary dinner for the wife. The Fab 5 watch and comment on tv. It is just terrific.


"Half of Tech's charm is that sometimes I have no idea what she's talking about" -- True


"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by munson on 07-17-03 at 05:30 PM
LAST EDITED ON 07-17-03 AT 05:30 PM (EST)

Count me in as a BIG fan of this show. Also thought I would hate it and expected it to be tres campy.

Pleasant surprise.

Carson is funnier than anything I've seen on Last Comic Standing. This is what that dildo Doug Wilson wishes he was.

The boys rule.


"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by SurvivorBlows on 07-17-03 at 06:17 PM
LAST EDITED ON 07-17-03 AT 06:17 PM (EST)

In case you missed, it looks like lots of folks agreed:

'Queer Eye for the Straight Guy' premiere smashs Bravo ratings records

...I guess nothing brings in an audience like major advertising during NBC's summer reality shows (NB aquired Bravo about a year ago)

It should be interesting to see who "Boy Meets Boy" does --that's also been getting a very heavy push

-SB


"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by cqvenus on 07-17-03 at 09:41 PM
boy meets boy seems just wrong! some of the guys are straight! how terrible for that guy!

but my roommates say it will be easy to figure out who's straight. just see who doesn't try to hook up with the other contestants. dem's da str8s.

~ cq


- *LOL*


"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by munson on 07-19-03 at 07:33 PM
cqvenus, it's just not going to be that easy.

Check out this article for some behind the scenes info:

http://msnbc.com/news/938179.asp?0cv=CB20


"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by cqvenus on 07-19-03 at 07:51 PM
that article made me have second thoughts on watching the show. if the guy is still upset about it, maybe it was too cruel to even bother watching.

they didn't *tell* the guy some of them were straight???

see, i really think that's just mean.

~ cq


- may be boycotting boy meets boy


"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by Drive My Car on 07-19-03 at 01:35 AM

I LOVED this show!
I finaly saw a rerun of the episode with the gallery opening makeover for Butch. I liked that they didn't try to totally change the guy they were making over, they just enhanced him, and made the most of who he was. And the Fab5 were like a group of Superhero makeover specialists. I loved them all! I can't wait to see more of this show. It was so fun! I agree that the ending where they watch and critique the outcome was wonderful. They were so supportive, and so thrilled at Butch's every success. I really got the feeling that they had changed this Man's life in a really positve way. And wow, the makeover guy looked great when they were done with him!

This is a show I can get into. It's funny, and nice. There isn't enough nice lately on TV, this show is refreshing.

It is warm and funny and just wonderful! I was sad when the hour was over. Can't wait to see more.



"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by DebCapsFan on 07-20-03 at 11:40 AM
LAST EDITED ON 07-20-03 AT 11:42 AM (EST)

I caught the re-run Sat dinner time and LOVED it.
The guys seemed to have changed Butch for the better, and it wasn't such a drastic change that he hated it. You could tell he would keep up with it.
And (sorry this is shallow) Butch looked very cute at the end.
The girls falling all over themselves at the end was a riot.
I definitely watch this show again.
And I loved the tips at the end.
I LOVE this show.
Oh, and the house makeover, was 9 billion times better than anything on Trading Spaces.


"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by Drive My Car on 07-20-03 at 02:12 PM
Agree Deb, and it doesn't sound shallow at all. Butch seemed to have more confidence and be confortable with himself. He really seemed to shine., his posture even improved. And what a cutie was hiding under all that hair and clutter.




"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by smiley on 07-21-03 at 09:50 AM
totally agree buggy

as soon as they chopped off all that hair his cute face appeared.

I loved this show. those guys are so funny!


"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by AZ_Leo on 07-21-03 at 10:44 AM
LAST EDITED ON 07-21-03 AT 12:36 PM (EST) by SurvivorBlows (admin)

LAST EDITED ON 07-21-03 AT 12:06 PM (EST)

Caught it over the weekend and loved it. Looks like NBC is going to try to jump on the band wagon and show a half hour version this Thursday after Will and Grace. It will be interesting to see what they edit out.

Edited to add link to RealityTVWorld story:

link


"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by Spidey on 07-21-03 at 11:22 AM
I am so glad NBC is going to air this! I was so disappointed it was on Bravo, which I don't have.

Hopefully, they'll pick it up permanently and fit the whole hour into their schedule.


Still wonders why ABC never picked up Monk, since it owns the USA network. I think it would be a huge hit on ABC.


"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by munson on 07-22-03 at 06:00 PM
Sorry, spidey, but the NBC airing is supposed to be a one-time deal intended to drive folks over to Bravo.

"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by AZ_Leo on 07-22-03 at 06:29 PM
Unless it gets high ratings and good demographics. In which case, NBC probably will air it again. I don't think they ever had anything that did well after Will & Grace, but I'm one of those who never felt that NBC Thursday was must see so I'm not sure.

"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by cqvenus on 07-22-03 at 06:47 PM
trust me and/or mark my words: following W&G with QEFTSG is pure genius. it will be met well.

~ cq


"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by carencey on 07-22-03 at 10:22 PM
Is anybody keeping track of the Carson-isms? He had us rolling here--"Jesus Christ, superstar!"

"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by Cin on 07-23-03 at 11:02 AM
I thought Carson's best line of the night was when he was talking about the guy's girlfriend and said something about some hooker wanting her shoes back

Cin


"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by smiley on 07-31-03 at 11:26 AM
Looking into Butch's boxers

"Look there's been a car accident here, there's skid marks!"

ROFLOL


"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by Draco Malfoy on 07-23-03 at 08:48 AM
Not a bad show at all. I loved how the one guy was SO hitting on the "patient". I'll tune in again, if I remember.


"For the last time, no you may NOT play pin the tail on our lord and savior." - Oh My Gods!


"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by Roddick23 on 07-25-03 at 03:36 AM
I don't have bravo, but I'am willing to pay to anybody that will record it and send it to me.

"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by cqvenus on 07-25-03 at 09:32 AM
they're running a cropped version of the series on NBC after will and grace on thursday nights.

~ cq


"I love it!"
Posted by Mon Cherie on 07-26-03 at 10:32 PM
I watched the marathon on Bravo with my friend today. Actually, I don't know if it would be considered a marathon, but we watched 2 shows back to back. It was great! This show is the new love of my life. I want the Fab Five to move in with me so my house, clothes, hair and makeup would be perfect and I'd have gourmet meals every day. And I'd always have someone to go shopping with!

I love how catty the guys are. I hope they put out a book eventually with all their tips and recipes.

Mon

Another Fantabulous IceCat Creation
"What the hell, go and put all your eggs in one basket."


" I love it! ( ME TOO!!)"
Posted by Drive My Car on 07-26-03 at 10:52 PM

I saw that they were showing them all today. There are only 3 episodes I know of so far and they are re-running them like crazy to get people watching.

Did you see the Artist one Cher? I think of the 3 that is my favorite ( I've seen it 3 times now).

This show has heart; something I think is missing from the other Reality offerings this summer.
Sure it is funny, and plays on the stereotypes of Gay and Straight men, but the 5 seem to love helping people. It is done in such a warm and caring way, that you can't help but smile.

I have a huge crush on all the Fab 5 (wish they would take my Hubby out for a makeover.)

This is my favorite makeover show since Trading Spaces, and I can't say enough how much I love it.

I think everyone should see it, and can't wait for fresh episodes.




"RE: I love it! ( ME TOO!!)"
Posted by Mon Cherie on 07-27-03 at 11:32 PM
Was the artist one the one with the long-hair guy? I saw that one and the one with the Jewish couple.

I thought long-haired dude's girlfriend wasn't worth the effort, she seemed manipulative and bitchy. The guy was sweet though. I really had to laugh when he went to pick her up and the Fab Five's reaction cause it was the exact same reaction my friend and I had while watching it: Oh. My. Gawd.

The Jewish guy, wow, what a change! He looked so much better, and the furniture was fabulous! Even though his wife didn't like the foie de gras, she seemed really happy.

This show does have heart, Buggy, and it's becoming one of my favorites really fast. I mean, hot guys (unattainable as they may be), cooking, decorating, culture and style tips? Add the witty craziness that goes on and I'm in love!

Mon

Another Fantabulous IceCat Creation
"What the hell, go and put all your eggs in one basket."


"RE: I love it! ( ME TOO!!)"
Posted by Drive My Car on 07-27-03 at 11:47 PM
How cute is the grooming guy? ( the personnal style expert) What a doll!


No! Wrong long haired guy ( I liked him, hated his girlfriend)

The Artist Guy is the one you didn't see, and the best episode so far, I think.

The guy they make over is an Artist, and they set up a Gallery opening for him ( his first). He has long stringy blond hair and scrubby looking facial hair, clothes are awful ( bad ugly overalls). They totally transform this guy ( his name is Brian, his friends call him Butch).
The change in his whole personality is wonderful. Butch gains confidence along with style. And I really liked his Art too. I enjoyed the other two episodes, but this one was my Fav. The viewer was left with a feeling that his Man's entire life was changed by the 5 bringing out the best in him.

(yikes! I am still raving over this show. Love it)


"RE: I love it! ( ME TOO!!)"
Posted by AZ_Leo on 07-28-03 at 10:19 AM
I agree that was great. I loved when he walked into the gallery and every woman in the place practically fainted at the sight of him. They kept touching his hair and looking him up and down. I also loved the reation of his "just a friend" girlfriend Laurel(?). She could not stop talking about him to the guy she was with.

What I find interesting is these guys are doing more good for heterosexual relationships. In working with the really long haired guy who wanted his girlfriend to move in with him they made the point that he needs to make room for her in his heart and his home. They fixed it up so she had her own closet.

Tuesday is a new episode that looks great. They will help a guy propose to his girlfriend. And it looks like another great change.


"RE: I love it! ( ME TOO!!)"
Posted by Mon Cherie on 07-28-03 at 06:41 PM
OMH, the grooming guy is great! I like the nerdiness of the food guy- geek love, you know?(Hi Sami!)

I missed the Butch one, though I'm sure I'll catch a repeat of it.

Buggy, I can't believe I'm still raving about this show too, but I have to say it is one of the best reality tv concepts ever. And it's not just fluff and junk, these guys are really having a life-changing experience and learning and growing. I guess I can kind of compare it to sex. Most reality shows are like one-night stands that just leave you feeling dirty and empty afterwards. This show is like a good relationship, where you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

AZ Leo, can you believe how open these guys are to change? It is really cool to watch the transformations that aren't just physical.

*Hugs*
Mon

Another Fantabulous IceCat Creation
"What the hell, go and put all your eggs in one basket."


"RE: I love it! ( ME TOO!!)"
Posted by kyngsladye on 07-28-03 at 11:10 PM
Ted is my favorite too! (Although he doesn't get as much airtime as Carson. I like Carson also. Kyan is a hottie. I actually know someone that looks like Kyan.)

La Métropole


"RE: I love it! ( ME TOO!!)"
Posted by DebCapsFan on 07-29-03 at 03:49 PM
Add me to the list of people still gushing about this show. Love it, love it, love it!!

"Finally saw it!"
Posted by moonbaby on 07-29-03 at 09:26 PM
Another fan here and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it! New episode at 10 tonight and I will be watching or taping it. LOVE the Fab Five!



"RE: I love it! ( ME TOO!!)"
Posted by Gay_Bob on 07-30-03 at 09:44 PM
>How cute is the grooming guy?
>( the personnal style expert)
>What a doll!
>
>
>No! Wrong long haired guy (
>I liked him, hated his
>girlfriend)
>
>The Artist Guy is the one
>you didn't see, and the
>best episode so far, I
>think.

So far it is hard to pick my favorite show. Last night with the Urban cowboy was really cool. I liked how that one turned out. Both of them were a really great couple. When he teared up it and thanked them, it got me.

But I have to agree with you on the "there is a hooker who wants her boots back"LOL. She seemed to be the problem. That guy with the long hair was pretty layed back...but she was one pyscho. She seems like she wanted him to remain the same frumpy guy.
Did anyone get that feeling? Maybe it is a control thing. I felt sorry for him.
Carson was right "Maybe he will get more confidence and leave her". LOL...He was right on the button on that one.



"RE: I love it!"
Posted by Foofoofeedoo on 07-30-03 at 05:34 PM
I love it too! I saw the 2 different longhaired guys and the urban cowboy episode. I nearly cried when I saw the urban cowboy show. The guy was so happy with what the guys did that he started to cry. So sweet.

"RE: LOL, Some of fellow gays need to lighten up...I love this show."
Posted by Gay_Bob on 07-30-03 at 08:42 PM
I am a gay person and I LOVE THIS SHOW! The way that both the straight guy and the 5 gay guys get along is great and male bond is wonderful.
I have noticed a couple of my fellow gays have 'shuddered' or been 'embarrassed' by how some of Fab 5 are over the top (Carson). I think that Carson is my favorite because he is not afraid to act zany, crazy and is comfortable with his own sexuallity that he can be free to be himself. I JUST LOVE HIM.

Come on my fellow gay compariots. We gays are like the rainbow flag that we use as a symbol for ourselves. We gay people are all different and varied and I love that about ourselves. We shouldn't be so up-tight and freaked out when some of us act campy. Don't tell me some of you guys haven't had or met a friend like Carson who was comfortable with himself, with his sexuallity and just plain fun. Why are FELLOW GAYS trying to put out-going gays into the closet because they feel 'uncomfortable' with they why they act? Who cares what SOME in the straight society think about us. There are a lot of caring straight people who love us no matter how we act.

Also Kyan, Ted and Thom are not 'campy'. So why not mention them.

Besides life is to short to be up-tight, self-hating, and judgemental about our more flamboyant members of our community. We already have people who are like that looking at us...the religious right. We gays should not try to conform to their up-tight ideals about us. We should embrace them not treat them like they would. I know I am on my soapbox, LOL, but I love free, outgoing gay people.

I for one love Carson. He is sooo crazy and zany and a true DIVA! I LOVE THIS SHOW. They are all warm and caring to their 'client' and it shows that gay and straight men have alot in common and that they can learn form each other and get along.

CARSON I LOVE YOU...YOU GO BOI! YOU ARE TRULY THE ONE! YOU HAVE A FAB HUMOR AND YOU CRACK ME UP!

...as for my up-tight gay brethren...please lighten up...we gays are not cookie cutter clones. Remember Kyan, Thom and Ted are also on this show so don't freak out. ;)


"RE: LOL, Some of fellow gays need to lighten up...I love this show."
Posted by kyngsladye on 07-30-03 at 10:00 PM
Welcome, Foofoodeedoo (I hope I spelled that right) and Gay_Bob!

I don't think the series will further the stereotypes of gay men because none of my straight male friends or uptight friends are watching it, nor do they care to. I have gay friends so I know that gay people shouldn't be stereotyped when they are all so different. No brainwashing occuring on my part...I love the Fab 5 and I hope they get paid lots of money for their work.

Now, the Family on ABC might encourage some stereotypes about the Italian American family. *laughs*

La Métropole


"RE: LOL, Some of fellow gays need to lighten up...I love this show."
Posted by Drive My Car on 07-30-03 at 11:15 PM
I would like to second that Welcome to both of you!

Hope you have fun here!


"RE: LOL, Some of fellow gays need to lighten up...I love this show."
Posted by drawde236 on 07-31-03 at 01:44 AM
I just love this show and as a gay man, it is good to see this and Boy Meets Boy (love it!) on the tube. The thing I like about Queer Eye is the fact that you get a cross section of gay life.
We are not all flaming gym bunnies who can do flower arranging. It's true Carson is on the show (hate his hair, but he'll have his own talk show one day...mark my word), but the other 3 are, well, normal. While it is refreshing to see another campy Queen acting up on tv, it is just as refreshing to see normalcy.

ps...Bob, you had better preach it!



"RE: LOL, Some of fellow gays need to lighten up...I love this show."
Posted by Gay_Bob on 07-31-03 at 03:55 AM
Can I have an Amen!

"Gay men as clowns?"
Posted by zelgo on 07-31-03 at 02:04 PM
LAST EDITED ON 07-31-03 AT 02:07 PM (EST)

QUEER EYE just shows that America can only see gay men as fashion-conscious clowns. I know too many gay professionals to take any of this nonsense seriously, but most of America only knows these stereotypical camp-it-up qualities.

Why don't we have a show about black men who rape white women? How about a show with Jews telling us how to pinch-a-penny??!! Yes, those stereotypes are gone after those affected protested.

Now, I am protesting. Yes, QUEER EYE is damaging to the view America has of gay men. No we are not all queenie men whose only concerns in the world are fashion and interior design. Why would America even consider granted equal rights to anyone not portrayed as an equal?

The absolute worst part of the show is the ending in which the guys watch the straight guy interact with his friends via a TV. Once again, gay men are only allowed to come and fix you up. Then we must leave and not be part of the party. Once again, gay men are skirted to the sidelines, out-of view.


"RE: Gay men as clowns?"
Posted by cqvenus on 07-31-03 at 03:28 PM
I thought it was kind of bad that they didn't get to hang out at the gallery opening. But then they had the proposal, and it would be quite silly for five men to stand around while a man proposed to his girlfriend.

The guys aren't all queenie men concerned with fashion and interior design. The most flaming one is the fashion guy. The rest aren't even queenie, really.

Also, this show *IS* about fashion and interior design, so doesn't it make sense to have the gay men who are experts on this? You can read the news articles and the bravo/nbc websites about the show. These men have credentials in their areas of expertise, and were not chosen simply because they are gay. Yes, there are some gay men out there who are into sports and stereotypically straight-guy activities, but that isn't what this show is about.

The show isn't about depicting a gay man's lifestyle. It's about fashion and design.

I can see your point on this, and I can argue for your view if I choose. But, instead, I've chosen to have fun with the show and just enjoy it.

~ cq


"RE: Gay men as clowns?"
Posted by kyngsladye on 07-31-03 at 06:19 PM
I agree with you, cq. I think there is only one queen on the show--Carson. At the interview process, Ted reports that Carson showed up in hip huggers and a gauzy shirt and proclaimed that it was nice of the company to interview all those other guys that obviously weren't going to get hired.

I don't find any of the others queenie at all. I love Ted. Ted is a contributing editor for Esquire and has written several books for men--Things men need to know about food, sex, or clothing. He was picked for his expertise. Carson worked for Ralph Lauren. Thom has his own business. Kyan worked on "What Not To Wear" (another show that has the makeover-ers watching the fashion victim to see if they've learned anything). Jai is an actor.

In my redneck of the woods, the straight men and 700 club crowd aren't watching this show.

The absolute worst part of the show is the ending in which the guys watch the straight guy interact with his friends via a TV. Once again, gay men are only allowed to come and fix you up. Then we must leave and not be part of the party. Once again, gay men are skirted to the sidelines, out-of view.

I believe they took this from "What Not to Wear"--to see if their fashion victim can fly on their own.

Of course here in my redneck of the woods, the gay men are the party--but I'm a catering woman. They get more attention and tips than I will ever get. *laughs*

La Métropole


"RE: Gay men as clowns?"
Posted by Mon Cherie on 07-31-03 at 09:40 PM
>QUEER EYE just shows that America
>can only see gay men
>as fashion-conscious clowns. I
>know too many gay professionals
>to take any of this
>nonsense seriously, but most of
>America only knows these stereotypical
>camp-it-up qualities.

Totally disagree. The cook guy is anything but campy. I do not see "fashion-concious clowns". I see a variety of talented gay men helping straight men with their knowledge and skills.
>
>Why don't we have a show
>about black men who rape
>white women? How about a
>show with Jews telling us
>how to pinch-a-penny??!! Yes,
>those stereotypes are gone after
>those affected protested.

Not even going to go there other than to say that's just a vapid statement.
>
>Now, I am protesting. Yes,
>QUEER EYE is damaging to
>the view America has of
>gay men. No we
>are not all queenie men
>whose only concerns in the
>world are fashion and interior
>design. Why would America even
>consider granted equal rights to
>anyone not portrayed as an
>equal?

Once again, say it with me: This is a fashion and design show. I think this is a positive show for the homosexual community because these guys are real and funny and heteros like myself need to see that. Has nothing to do with equal rights.
>
>The absolute worst part of the
>show is the ending in
>which the guys watch the
>straight guy interact with his
>friends via a TV.
>Once again, gay men are
>only allowed to come and
>fix you up. Then
>we must leave and not
>be part of the party.
> Once again, gay men
>are skirted to the sidelines,
>out-of view.

This is not to offend the gay men. This is so they can watch behind the scenes and see how much the straight man has learned. Plus it's more fun for the viewer (and I think the guys have fun with it too).

Mon

Another Fantabulous IceCat Creation
"What the hell, go and put all your eggs in one basket."


"RE: Gay men as clowns?"
Posted by Gay_Bob on 07-31-03 at 09:43 PM
>LAST EDITED ON 07-31-03
>AT 02:07 PM (EST)

>
>QUEER EYE just shows that America
>can only see gay men
>as fashion-conscious clowns. I
>know too many gay professionals
>to take any of this
>nonsense seriously, but most of
>America only knows these stereotypical
>camp-it-up qualities.
>
>Why don't we have a show
>about black men who rape
>white women? How about a
>show with Jews telling us
>how to pinch-a-penny??!! Yes,
>those stereotypes are gone after
>those affected protested.
>
>Now, I am protesting. Yes,
>QUEER EYE is damaging to
>the view America has of
>gay men. No we
>are not all queenie men
>whose only concerns in the
>world are fashion and interior
>design. Why would America even
>consider granted equal rights to
>anyone not portrayed as an
>equal?
>
>The absolute worst part of the
>show is the ending in
>which the guys watch the
>straight guy interact with his
>friends via a TV.
>Once again, gay men are
>only allowed to come and
>fix you up. Then
>we must leave and not
>be part of the party.
> Once again, gay men
>are skirted to the sidelines,
>out-of view.

LOL, first of all there are already several movies, tv shows and other media that show that gay people are NOT ALL THE SAME. We are a varied group of people. We gay people are not all straight acting, stuff shirts some of our more 'embarrassed' members of our community wish we were.

You see one gay person acting queenie on a show and you go on a tirad.
He is NOT an ACTOR acting queenie...HE IS WHO HE IS. Why are YOU discriminating against some of our flambouyant members of our community? Should the network only have hired someone who 'ACTS STRIGHT' because some people who are closed minded only want to see someone who THEY can identify with. You can't tell me as a gay person you have not met any Divas or Queens? You would be lying if you said no. Why should they be put in the closet because you want straight society only to see a relection of its self. Do you want to discriminate against our more flambouyant memembers by hiding them away because they might embarrass you? No network should hire them because we don't want to be embarrassed or we are ashamed of them. Then that would be like Jerry Falwell...don't ask don't tell as long as they don't act "Gay" they're OK. I for one am not embarrassed or ashamed of them. I for one love their openess and yes their 'queenie' ways. Who are WE to judge them? WHY DO THEY MAKE YOU UNCOMFORTABLE? Should we gay people all "act" straight? Then you would make it that only the straight acting ones would be accepted while our flambouyant members should be put back in the closet to make straight people comfortable. Maybe then some of our more up-tight members wouldn't be so ashamed to be compared to "them". LOL, That is homophobic...isn't it?

You can't tell me that the gay community is not the driving force behind a lot of fashion, style, grooming, and interior decorating industry. This is a show about make overs...who would be better then us to do a show? Since we are a major force in most artistic industries which include those I mentioned. You would have to be deaf, dumb or blind not to see that.

As for the so-called "Worst part of the show" that you call it when they watch them do their task by themselves while in their lair.

THE WHOLE SHOW IS ABOUT THEM HELPING THEM DO IT FOR THEMSELVES...NOT WALK THEM THROUGH THEIR 'MOMENT'EVERY STEP.

If they were there they would be doing everything for him instead of him doing it for himself. They would not have learned to do it themselves like cook the meal, dress themselves and present the house.

Besides it would be ridicules for them to there when a guy is proposing to his finance.

Like I said "SOME GAY PEOPLE NEED TO LIGHTEN' UP".



"RE: Gee..Lets not get so "ANAL"!"
Posted by Gay_Bob on 07-31-03 at 10:02 PM
Hey Zelgo...we Gay people have wicked humor. Why not highlight our talents. I see the show as pure fun. I remember the same arguement about shows like "the Nanny" and "Martin".

Even gay shows like Will and Grace, Ellen and Queer as Folk(which was just the same as the British version)have characters who are over the top. You can't tell me you haven't seen, met or known any QUEENS OR DIVAS if you are part of the gay community. Unless you are just as discrimanating as the religious right.

LOL...LIGHTEN'UP. Embrace the Diva inside you and just enjoy the show...AND QUIT BEING SO ANAL...YOU'LL LIVE LONGER...LOL

I LOVE THEM ALL
TED, KYAN, THOM, JAI...AND YES SCARECROW...I MEAN CARSON...I LOVE YOU THE BEST.


"RE: Gee..Lets not get so "ANAL"!"
Posted by lattelady on 08-07-03 at 00:33 AM
>Hey Zelgo...we Gay people have wicked
>humor. Why not highlight our
>talents.

Alas the sad thing is somehow in your club you do have the
humourless as well as the slobs--

The thing I like most about Queer Eye is how really kind
the Fab 5 are. I am pretty sure that the stereotype of
gay people doesn't always include words like charity,
kindness, compassion.

It is fun. It is set up to be fun. It is fun. Sometime a cigar is just a cigar and not meant to be anything else.


"RE: Gay men as clowns?"
Posted by MCFixer on 08-07-03 at 02:01 AM
As an auto mechanic here in Houston, I am pretty much the opposite of the "Fab 5" in most every way save for one - I'm Queer too.

I see nothing demeaning by "Queer Eye...", quite the contrary, I think it is 'high camp' at its best. Behind the fun and camp, something else comes through, five men with a passion for their jobs and a deep seated humanity that most everyone who sees this show appreciates. What better positive image could the Gay community ask for.

I can't imagine that too many people who tune into this program come away with the impression " So, that's what all gay men are like!" The majority of folks are just watching a fun show with five likable Gay men who do makeovers (this ain't no PBS documentary).

The fact is that camp is part of the Gay community, no matter the degree of masculinity. I'm more offended by Gay men who shun or belittle those they consider too "over the top" or "queenie", (even the most flamboyant American is entitled to equal protection under the law). Queers come in all sizes, shapes, colors, ages, degrees of masculinity and degrees of style (I couldn't decorate my way out of a wet paper bag), and I'm pretty sure that most straight viewers of "Queer Eye" understand that, and are just enjoying a clever twist on reality shows.

Long live the Queens!


"RE: Gay men as clowns?"
Posted by Mon Cherie on 08-08-03 at 07:39 PM
Welcome to the boards! Your post beautifully explained the heart and fun behind this show. Thanks!

Mon

Another Fantabulous IceCat Creation
"What the hell, go and put all your eggs in one basket."


"RE: I love it!"
Posted by BriarRosie on 08-04-03 at 01:44 PM
If they ever spin off the series with "Queer Eye for the Straight Girl", I'd put in an application to have the Fab 5 help me with a makeover.

Lori


Survivor: Adventurers Club
Outdrink, Outlaugh, Outkungaloosh!


"Jay Leno scheduled for Makeover"
Posted by AZ_Leo on 08-04-03 at 05:33 PM
This may be beyond even the Fab 5.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/948199.asp?0cv=CB20

Excerpt:
LENO’S RESTYLING is scheduled for Aug. 14, and a network spokeswoman said NBC would also air a special half-hour episode of “Queer Eye” earlier in the evening.


Wish they would show a full hour. They cut so much last time they lost a large part of what makes this such a wonderful show.


"Last night's episode"
Posted by moonbaby on 08-06-03 at 12:34 PM
Should have been called Queer Eye for the Pig Sty. I hope they got paid extra for dealing with that hellacious mess!


"RE: Last night's episode"
Posted by munson on 08-06-03 at 05:58 PM
LAST EDITED ON 08-06-03 AT 05:58 PM (EST)

Baby Got Back, Volume 10?

Ya know, if it was me, I might starighten up a little bit before the cameras arrive. And then, I don't know, maybe ditch the porn? Good God!


"LOL!"
Posted by moonbaby on 08-07-03 at 11:59 AM
That was too funny! For all we know he did ditch volumes 1-9 and he forgot where he stashed 10!


"RE: Last night's episode"
Posted by smiley on 08-14-03 at 02:54 PM
OMH that was the funniest thing...and then they went and found ribbed condoms in their bedroom LOL


"RE: Last night's episode"
Posted by Mon Cherie on 08-08-03 at 07:44 PM
What are these people thinking? I mean, you don't have to be as clean as my mom ("I have to clean up before the maid gets here"), but sheeeeeesh, at least make it to where people can walk in the room without tripping! And always, always hide your naughty mags, tapes, toys, etc. Oh the humanity!

Mon

Another Fantabulous IceCat Creation
"What the hell, go and put all your eggs in one basket."


"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by Wind_River on 08-06-03 at 11:46 PM
Wonderful Show.

As a straight man....I'd MUCH RATHER hang around with the fab five than many of the straight men I know.


"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by Foofoofeedoo on 08-07-03 at 03:44 PM
Does anyone know how much money they can spend on each straight guy? Do they have a set budget?

"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by Mon Cherie on 08-08-03 at 07:36 PM
LAST EDITED ON 08-08-03 AT 07:46 PM (EST)

I read (sorry can't remember where) that they don't have a budget, they've actually spent at least 10g on one of the makeovers. I'll try to find a link, but that's what I know so far.

ETA: Still haven't found a link, but I also recall the article stated that the Fab Five, although they have a profile of the guy and his situation, don't know what they are dealing with until they show up at the guy's house. Also, the show is taped over 3 days.

Mon

Another Fantabulous IceCat Creation
"What the hell, go and put all your eggs in one basket."


"NBC to show full hour on Thursday"
Posted by AZ_Leo on 08-11-03 at 10:54 AM
Looks like everyone will get a chance to see what we (who have Bravo) have been talking about. NBC will show the full Urban Cowboy episode this Thursday. He's a little bit country, she's a little bit rock and roll and he wants to propose. This one was so sweet and loving it almost made me cry (and when was the last time a reality show made you tear up in joy rather than frustration). It will be replacing ER for the week. It will be interesting to see what kind of ratings it gets compared to ER.

""Queer Eye" GMA style & Wife-zilla"
Posted by MCFixer on 08-12-03 at 12:02 PM
LAST EDITED ON 08-12-03 AT 12:11 PM (EST)

Did anyone else catch Good Morning America's spin on Queer Eye? Aaaargh, how pathetic can you get, even for network tv?

GMA's twist was to have a competition between 3 queer guys and 3 straight guys to see who could do a better job of making over this creature in a bad dress (who knew Pep Boys had a clothing line?).! The woman already says she trusts the straight teams judgment (it should be noted that her hubby is on that team), but with such sound judgment its no wonder she looks like ##### Cheney in drag! Off to Bloomingdales they went, on Wednesday we get to see the results of the two teams and America gets to vote! That's right, a makeover is turned over to the people... the same people who think fanny packs and biker shorts on fat folks are acceptable!

This surely a sign that civilization as we know it is coming to an end!

Edit: me thinks RTW filter is a tad too PC! "####" refers to the VP's first name, not a male body part (though a case can be made that VP is indeed aforementioned body part)


"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by LionChow on 08-12-03 at 02:10 PM

What a funny show... I cringe to think what they'd say if they got a hold of me and my wardrobe, diet, (etc.) though.

The opening sequence (when they barge into the target's place) is hysterical.

How've you guys been anyway? Missed you!



"How much it all costs"
Posted by MCFixer on 08-12-03 at 05:33 PM
In case you're wondering how much the Fab 5 spend on each episode, Time magazine confirmed what I've been hearing through the grapevine...Zero.

Every item of clothing, food, decor and grooming is giving to the show in exchange for the publicity. According to the article, the merchants in exchange for letting the camera crews in and giving away product have seen their sales go through the roof. Remember the pink cashmere jacket last week? Its' few seconds of air time led to a dozen sales of the same item (at $795 a piece)in that store alone. If the Fab 5 pick it up or say they like it, it translates in to gold for the merchant. I imagine some items like paint, etc are of course picked up by the show, but thats just a drop in the bucket.

Unofficially, I heard that indeed it only takes a day for the Fab 5 to do their bit with their subject, but an advance team proceeds them to determine what needs to be done and arrange for work crews to come in and put together Thom Felicia's ideas. Makes sense, I don't know any professional decorator that actually does it all his/her self

It takes a lot of work in order to be spontaneous!


"RE: How much it all costs"
Posted by LionChow on 08-13-03 at 09:20 AM

And alot of work it is...

I saw the show last night (back-hair man) and they turned a real dump into a nice place. Same thing with the solo singer. Have you ever seen such a mess as that? I can't imagine that only took one day.

The one liners that the five throw out are what make the show for me.

Also, I'm kind of surprised to hear about (some) negative backlash in the gay community. I know my perspective is different and all, but I just don't see the branding and typecasting. Each of the five are completely different. What more would you want?

Very funny show, and I'm actually learning from it (gasp!). I even trimmed my own eyebrows this morning! LOL but true.



"RE: How much it all costs"
Posted by Drive My Car on 08-13-03 at 09:36 AM

It's great to see you Lion!

I think the show makes light of the stereotypes. And I agree the 5 are all very different, just like all types of people are different. Of course not everyone is going to like it. Just from the posts here we can see that some Gay men like the show, and some hate it.

Seems to me that makeovers are mostly about making the most of who someone is, and not totally changing them. Can't believe I am still raving about this show, but every week I am struck by the kindness of it, so different from the mean tone most of the Summer shows have had

( your eyebrows look great btw, I am hoping my husband will be more willing to update his haircut)



"RE: How much it all costs"
Posted by TODDLJ on 08-13-03 at 01:57 PM
Count me as one gay guy who likes the show.

The complaint I've heard from gay guys is that some of the Fab 5 (in particular Carson) are 'too gay' and therefore come off as cartoonish or stereotypical. They fear that America will think all gay guys are like Carson.

But, the reality is, Carson is not trying to be the model for all gays. He's just being himself, and he's charming, funny, witty, good at his job, and in the end, likeable too.

Let Carson be as Fem as he wants! He's freakin hysterical!


"BRAVA"
Posted by cqvenus on 08-13-03 at 02:11 PM
my sentiments exactly. I think they did a stunning job selecting the Fab 5 because they are all so different. It gives a nice representative sample.

"Queer Eye book"
Posted by dabo on 09-02-03 at 02:41 AM
As reported by AyaK:

http://www.realitytvworld.com/index/articles/story.php?s=1639

A spokesperson for Clarkson Potter, the Random House unit that actually won the auction for rights to the book, said that it would contain "edgy yet practical advice" from the Fab Five. Although Clarkson Potter would love to have the book for the lucrative December holiday gift-giving season, it says that the most likely release date for the book is February. Of course, it's possible that a few more of Random House's dollars could change that timetable....

Let's hope so.

ARRRRRRR!!!!


"RE: Queer Eye book"
Posted by kyngsladye on 09-02-03 at 11:45 AM
Well, Ted has done several hint books already. Plus, he works for Esquire. This will be nothing new for him. (Yeah, I love Ted.)

La Métropole


"RE: Queer Eye book"
Posted by Shamelesslea on 09-07-03 at 12:54 PM
I am old enough to be any of these men's Mama & about as straight as they come! I just love this show. I just wish they'd find it in their hearts to help some of we women too! Many of us need fashion help & fully respects these men's abilities as well as their opinions!!! C'mon u'all help us too!
I wish all of you well with mega success! I will buy the book and rest assured that I have turned everyone I know on to this GREAT show.
Most Respectfully,
Shamelesslea@aol.com

"RE: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"
Posted by ORIE on 09-11-03 at 01:34 AM
I WATCHED IT ON 9/11/03. AT MIDNIGHT ON BRAVO, IN NYC. DO YOU KNOW WHERE THEY WERE IN STATEN ISLAND WHEN THEY WERE EATING OUTDOORS?
THANKS, ORIE