The thought had crossed that perhaps someone wanted to give the reward to Ulong (if it's food for winning the gross food challenge, Koror certainly has enough food) and got outvoted. Given the shots of Coby and what he says, he seems to be more in line as the defeated person.

(Thanks Phoenix)

Someone at Sucks pointed this out: You can see Jiffy's feet at the water challange. Behind him there are the sit-outs on the beach as well as a tower of some sort and what looks like the II stool. I think the water challange is IC.

THen there is this:

Looks like wet Ulongs (BJ dragging flag) dejected after losing this water challange.

-montanagirl

LAST EDITED ON 04-01-05 AT 06:56 PM (EST)

Good observations Montanagirl...the "wet Ulongs" leaving the IC together without either one wearing an individual immunity necklace suggests Ulong competes as a tribe and goes back to TC.

Once at TC Jeff could say something like..."Fire represents life in this game, whichever one of you creates fire first will survive", the otyher is going home...."

Krautboy

So the question is: where does a fire-building contest come in?

Is there anything to suggest that the swimming challenge is for individual immunity? Because if not, then the fire-building contest would mean that Koror wins immunity. Since the votes are deadlocked at Ulong, there has to be some sort of challenge to pick a winner.

"If there was ever a time you wanted permission to run over a clown . . . ."

Not really - the shot of Steph in the water is under the voiceover "Now they're in for the fight of their lives" in a reference to Ulong.

On the other hand, there isn't anything that clearly says "Tribal Immunity" either. Other than the II stool.

...however, there probably wouldn't be sitouts in an individual IC. unless the sitouts we see were eliminated in an earlier round of the challenge.

Krautboy

What we know from last week, it's not the same rules anymore for
the Competition. Instead of you not being able to sit out 2 challenges in a row, they switched it to you can not compete in 2 challenges in a row.

RC - Gross Food Eating Contest - who knows - nothing to support any of them competing except shots of Kathy laughing.

Team IC you can see Coby competing and a shot of Greggs wet hair on the lower right corner of the picture where Coby looks surprised.

Maybe after they win, Jeff tells them, Kuror you won IC but it's not over. Ulong since you only have 2 people left their will be a 3rd contest and BJ and Stephanie you will compete to see who stays and who goes home. And by the way, were not Merging. Thats when you see Coby looking surprised.

Then at Tribal council they have a competion set up and Stephanie wins.

LAST EDITED ON 04-02-05 AT 02:07 AM (EST)

There's this pic:

Which I believe is Koror camp:

This should be part of the promo where Coby's complaining the girls don't do anything.

Naturally I can't find it now, but somebody on one of the otehr sites mentioned there was controversy surrounding one of this week's challenges which may explain Coby's surprised look and the segment where he's upset. It might also explain this:

That doesn't look like one of those agonized "Oh my gosh that sounds like a great reward" expressions. She's glowing. It looks like she actually won something.

ETF: The flipping Phoenix link. Adding .jpg at the end of the gallery url does not work!

bob, I think the first pic you posted is before the RC. I think the sitouts during the swimming challenge is to the left of Jiffy in this pic:

The second person from the left of Jiffy (the vid cap left...Jiffy's right) is Ian but I can't make out the woman.

Coby, Steph and BJ are pictured competing in the water challenge...so Steph and BJ are both still on Ulong (most likely) or competing as individuals. (Not likely one would be kidnapped or switched and allowed to compete for the other tribe)

Krautboy

LAST EDITED ON 04-01-05 AT 07:36 PM (EST)

ETA: Nevermind, I found them.
if survivorphoenix posts the voice overs to the promos? I brought the vid caps over and can't find the voice overs.

I think the web promo is giving us two challenges. The food challenge and some type of swimming challenge. I was wondering if the voice over mentions anything about being surprised as to how the next person leaves the game or something about how the next one gets booted.

I don't think they would give us vid caps of that challenge but I think it would be mentioned. Unless, the swimming challenge is swim out and build a fire in those cauldrons. I like the idea of having Koror win and then Jiffy telling Ulong that the way the next person gets booted is by having Steph and BJ run the challenge again against each other.

CMC gave mer a really hard time about this, saying there would be no time for a third challenge, but there is. With a typical episode the final segment is broken down to 2-3 minutes devoted to conspiring, 2-3 minutes chat at TC, then vote, then reading of votes, again another 2-3 minutes.

With 2 people remaining there is no conspiring needed, there is no voting needed and no votes need to be read. The segment may not be any more than 2-3 minutes devoted to departing for TC and chat at TC, leaving another 5 minutes for the fire building challenge.

Usually I'm a week early, and since I pcked BJ last week, he'll probably leave this week.

BUT, we have the BJ spoiler that says when he got home he was starving. If he leaves this week he shouldn't be starving when he got home.

And we know Mersaydeez is making some assumptions based on her info rather than simply laying out the info and allowing the collective spoilers to weight ALL the info.

I think I remember someone bringing a post by Snewser over here that cast doubt on some of her assumptions - although he clearly seemed to think she had a source.

Given the fact that Mersaydeez is making assumptions, some of them apparently wrong - I'm leaning towards the BJ starving spoiler and thinking this isn't his week.

Maybe Steph doesn't spend the night alone at all.

He has already lost a ton of weight. His editing is a bit more negative this week since he comes off looking ratehr loutish or rude. I dunno. I've been looking at the caps. They remind me so much of when Willard was voted off. Soemthing seems fishy.

LAST EDITED ON 04-02-05 AT 04:24 PM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON 04-02-05 AT 04:23 PM (EST)

Here is my two cents on what I think the challenges are.

RC: Gross food challenge. I wouldn't be suprised if everyone has to participate. The reason, in the caps of the close-up of Katie it looks like the are sitting in two rows (upper and lower)as they have so many times before during taking turns challenges. Koror wins, Steph and BJ just can't eat that much.

IC: Water and fire challenge. I think they have to swim out, thru some kind of obstacle course, and get something(s) to use in building their TEAM fire.
Reasons:
1. All the ICs have been at least in part physical this year. Going back once again to the "don't vote off the strong" theme.

2. We can see in the cap of BJ/Coby going into the water... the sit-out bench, one of the team's starting mat, possibly the monkey's stool, and a tower like they have used in other fire challenges.

Something happens at the end of this challenge. Coby's reaction leads me to believe that someone may have gotten disqualified. Since he is looking to the side I am going to go with Ulong on this. Plus we have the caps of Steph and BJ wet and dejected dragging their flag back to camp.

I think the caps of Steph being so happy are either when she finds out there will be another fire challenge (and she did better than BJ in the first) OR after she wins that challenge. If this is a fire starting challenge, due to time problems it will probably be a scaled back version.

***Edited to add that I think that whatever "tie-breaker" challenge between Steph and Bobby Jon will take the place of tribal council.*** I also like the idea that Coby's reaction may be to Jiffy explaining there will be no tribal for Ulong. This is definately a better explanation that mine

OK that's my start the week off ideas. I'm sure they will change

Here's what doesn't add up for me --

The "pulling under water challenge" may indeed have a fire component, but it can't be "THE fire challenge" -- why not? If it was "THE" challenge, then we would not have the shot of Steph/BJ walking back from it. BJ (or Steph) would be gone.

The elimination challenge must occur at some later time. Most likely, IMO, at the tribal council.

Another curious thing...why is Coby in this one? Wouldn't you think Ian and Tom would be in it?

I agree with you KLicK in that the Steph/BJ walking back CAN'T be after THE fire building challenge. I think Jiffy may leave the two with something that would keep them wondering how the TC will play out. He may something to them like...there will be no voting at this TC and then send them on their way back to camp. They would be like WTF?

Also, It has been very strange at times with the decisions (Koror) by who sits out and when but they keep winning. I am just going to suck it up and go with the flow.

That might explain Coby's "WHAT!?" in the promo. If Jeff gives some sort of cryptic instructions following the IC in front of Koror, he may get a big reaction.

Don't know about Tom, but Ian had a cut foot. For them that was just a day or two or three before, and he could still be nursing it. It was difficult to see how deep the cut was.

They all may be thinking that there is going to be a merg since there has always( except for once) been a merg at 10 people left.
Coby's pic is of JP telling them there will be no merg this time.
And his pic was the one they choose to use this week.

WHOAMI

IMO, this CANNOT be from her winning the fire challenge. it is daytime. the fire challenge, if it occurs as mersaydeez assumes, almost certainly will be at TC, at night.

so the options remaining are:

Ulong wins Reward - no other change required to mersaydeez. most likley.

Ulong wins Immunity - following Bobscure's vidcap analysis - defeated look may simply be exhaustion. but then what about the fire challenge? perhaps this is part of the water challenge. perhaps it is the first individual immunity (or reward) AFTER the MERGE, but BEFORE the first member of the JURY is voted out?

Merge - (but perhaps still tribal (or paired?) immunity) - makes Steph spending a night alone difficult, but not necessarily impossible if it is after reward which somehow involves BJ (perhaps individual reward but not yet merged?)

Is it possible the the happy Steph pic is recycled from an earlier episode? Perhaps trying to throw us off and give the audience some hope the Ulong might win something?

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I thought this too, Nedstan

I watched the commercial really slowly with TIVO (during basketball over the weekend) and this happy pix of Steph was not in there anywhere...I think it is old..but I am not looking for it...

I think there's Much to do about nothing this week, like last week, I think it's simple and the previews are trying to make it look not that way.

Koror wins both challenges, BJ and Steph go to TC and have the fire challenge, Steph wins-BJ leaves and Steph spends the nite alone...I'm giving the nod to Mersaydeez this week...

LAST EDITED ON 04-02-05 AT 10:28 PM (EST)

Garbotalks at SSucks found this shot which shows the 3-legged Immunity idol stool.

The same 3-legged stool can be seen in the upper left hand corner of this shot at the water challenge...

This appears to confirm that the Water Challenge is for Immunity and the Gross Food Challenge is for Reward.

In which case, this shot of Steph and BJ walking, wet and dejected, back to camp is after the IC. It would follow that if there is a fire-building challenge in EP8, it must occur at TC as a tie-breaker used to determine who will go on vacation and who will be on the jury...

Krautboy

okay, let me just say that you guys are harsh hard core when it comes to analyzing these itty-bitty details. props to you guys.

so this may sound really stupid, but here's an idea:

i agree with whoever says that ulong loses IC and there's a fire-building challenge at TC. someone also said that it's possible JP tells ulong (in front of koror) that there will be no voting at TC and no merge and leaves it at that.

so maybe coby's reaction is that "well, we won immunity and nothing is going to happen?" koror may possibly assume that ulong loses IC and loses no one.

but wouldn't it be cool if steph was a tribe of her own for a couple of episodes? i'm guessing steph beats out bj at fire-building and wins immunity, but what if steph and koror don't merge for a couple of episodes?

if she (competing as the "tribe" of ulong) wins a couple of ICs, koror would be forced to eat up a few of its own members. perhaps that's why merceydeez says steph outlasts a few koror.

JP said that this would be a season of firsts. what if they don't merge at all? steph would be forced to compete for her life (which honestly, she would eventually have to do even if they DID merge) and when she finally loses an IC to koror, ulong will be completely eliminated.

and honestly, steph as a tribe would be better off than ulong was with kim, james and ibe (even though i heart ibe). i'm sure she could easily beat the girls in a physical challenge and possibly gregg or caryn in a mental one. she'd probably get stuck when she has to beat tom or ian in a mental one, though.

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The scenario you put forward is very believable. The only thing that suggests it might not work that way id the Mersaydeez Spoiler. This quote from Mersaydeez sounds like she only spends "a night" alone:

Re: Just some spoilers...

Quote:
Are you SURE that stephenie spends a night ALONE, or could your source mean "alone" in terms of having nobody from her old tribe in with her AFTER the merge anymore *or if Ibrehem is in the merge but not in the jury, after he is voted out*?

Literally, alone. I was told - "that's never happened before". Plus, she would be alone, for many many many nights if it was the case of having nobody in her old tribe, when I was just told "a night".
Edited by: Mersaydeez at: 2/21/05 8:34 pm

Krautboy

If BJ and Steph are returning from a challenge in the walking-in-the-woods caps, why aren't they carrying the Ulong flag? Was the tribe dissolved already? Or maybe these caps are not related to a challenge?

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