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"CAST PICS AND THOSE WE ARE MISSING"
Posted by pmspml5 on 01-13-05 at 09:04 AM
LAST EDITED ON 01-13-05 AT 09:14 AM (EST)

SEEEbe has the pics up but here they are:



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"RE: CAST PICS AND THOSE WE ARE MISSING"
Posted by spastiman on 01-13-05 at 09:32 AM
Angie (Female Lex) looks VERY familiar. I have seen the recent Fear Factor show and they are doing the 1 Million dollar show for couples. I could swear she is on that show. Any one else seen the recent episodes and can confer/deny this?
"RE: CAST PICS AND THOSE WE ARE MISSING"
Posted by volsfan on 01-13-05 at 10:19 AM
I watch Fear Factor all the time and I agree she does look like the female stinky! Joe Rogan nicknamed her and her boyfriend the stinkies because they don't use deodorant. They are still on the show so I will watch more closely next week to see if it is her. But she doesn't go by Angie on FF does she?

DAMN! This is one hott cast. Everyone is in great shape looks like. Have we ever had this much eye candy in one season?

"RE: CAST PICS AND THOSE WE ARE MISSING"
Posted by CornerOfMax on 01-13-05 at 10:55 AM
http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Fear_Factor/couples/bobby_amy.shtml>http://www.nbc.com/nbc/Fear_Factor/couples/bobby_amy.shtml

She goes by Amy on FF, and she's 32.

Spooky thing is that "Bobby" has a little bit of a Lex look from #####.

"RE: CAST PICS AND THOSE WE ARE MISSING"
Posted by Devious Weasel on 01-13-05 at 11:56 AM
You can tell by the nose and the shape of the face that it's not the same person.


"RE: CAST PICS AND THOSE WE ARE MISSING"
Posted by SurvivorBlows on 01-13-05 at 11:27 PM
>You can tell by the nose
>and the shape of the
>face that it's not the
>same person.

Not to mention the different tattoos. Note the difference in the chest area. Plus the Survivor girl is like a decade younger

"RE: CAST PICS AND THOSE WE ARE MISSING"
Posted by okaloosajohn on 01-16-05 at 03:36 PM
LAST EDITED ON 01-16-05 AT 03:37 PM (EST)

And the tats, of course...

Oh. Nevermind.

"More photos from SFever..."
Posted by Brownroach on 01-13-05 at 11:33 AM

Angie Jakusz, a 24-year-old bartender from New Orleans;


Ashlee Ashby, a 22-year-old fitness counselor from South Carolina;


Janu Tornell, 39, a Las Vegas show girl;


Jolanda Jones, a 39-year-old lawyer from Houston, Texas;


Kimberly Mullen, 25, is a graduate student and former Miss Ohio USA from Huber Heights, Ohio;


Jennifer Lyon, 32, a nanny from Encino, Calif.


Wanda Shirk, a 55-year-old English teacher from Ulysses, Pa.;


Katie Gallagher, 29, an ad executive from Merced, Calif.;


Caryn Groedel, 46, is a lawyer from Ohio;


Stephenie LaGrossa, 25, a pharmaceutical sales rep from Philadelphia;


Coby Archa, 32, a hairdresser from Athens, Texas;


Jeff Wilson, 22, a personal trainer from Ventura, Calif.;


James Miller, a 33-year-old steel worker from Mobile, Ala.;


Tom Westman, a 41-year-old New York City firefighter;


Bobby Jon Drinkard, 27 and a waiter from Troy, Ala.;


Ibrehem Rahman, another 27-year-old waiter from Alabama;


Jonathan Libby, 23, who is in sales and marketing and hails from Dallas, Texas;


Willard Smith from Bellevue, Wash., a 57-year-old lawyer;


Ian Rosenberger, 23, a dolphin trainer from Key Largo, Fla.;


Gregg Carey, 27, a business consultant from Chicago.



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"RE: More photos from SFever..."
Posted by Scarlett O Hara on 01-13-05 at 06:55 PM
Cap'n you can have Ashlee if I can take Bobby

Va-va-va-VOOM!!!!!!!!!


"Ummm.... OK"
Posted by Capn2patch on 01-13-05 at 07:37 PM
But this is a final sale.

NO refunds. NO exchange.



BTW, nice siggie.

"Ah-hem *Clear throat*"
Posted by Capn2patch on 01-13-05 at 12:17 PM
Ah-hem *Clear throat*

That warrants repeating two times.

Can you say, I love Ashlee. Can you say, I love Ashlee.



PLEASE. Oh please, let Ashlee compete in at least one running challenge!! .

"RE: Ah-hem *Clear throat*"
Posted by smokedog on 01-13-05 at 12:18 PM
Flotation device alert. Safe to say, she won't be playing the role of submarine in this military edition.....
"RE: Ah-hem *Clear throat*"
Posted by Capn2patch on 01-13-05 at 12:21 PM
To your point, a couple of 'rocks' wouldn't do her any harm.
"RE: CAST PICS AND THOSE WE ARE MISSING"
Posted by anotherkim on 01-14-05 at 01:12 AM
Three players from ALABAMA? Wow, this one is going to be a joke-fest.

Miscellaneous Ramblings
--not that there's anything wrong with Alabama....except that it's Alabama.

"RE: CAST PICS AND THOSE WE ARE MISSING"
Posted by TanNymph on 01-14-05 at 10:56 AM
I take offence to that remark. Even though I may resemble it as well. I graduated from Troy State University (now just Troy University) in Troy, Alabama. However, I am way too old to know Bobby Jon. I just hope the 3 Alabama representatives don't prove you right.
"RE: CAST PICS AND THOSE WE ARE MISSING"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 01-14-05 at 11:19 AM
LAST EDITED ON 01-14-05 AT 11:22 AM (EST)

Ok maybe my imagination is getting to the best of me or I've looked at too many vidcaps and signed up for various conspiracy theories... but I did some color-tinting and contrasting of the group photo. See photo below.

Maybe it's just the angle of lighting or whatnot, but there's three people that seems to have a lighter shade on their faces than everyone else -- Angie (far left), Caryn (middle front) and Ashlee (far right). Look at Ashlee, her body position is unnatural as she's leaning over and I blew the pic up, it doesn't seem like she's overtly putting any pressure on the dude (his name escapes me at the moment) next to her and the dude doesn't seem to be 'fighting' the weight pushed onto him. From her bio somewhere on the 'net, Ashlee is 116 pounds so she's not a serious lightweight.

Also, Ashlee's face is bigger than the guy next to her.

Am I completely off my rocker or could these three be the first episode boots and had their figures edited into the photo? Don't forget that two supposedly get lost or eliminated on the first day so I can see how they'd be missing. Caryn makes sense as she's been perceived as bossy and annoying, Angie might be freaking others out too much with her 'freak on' and Ashlee might be a little too princessy to fit in judging from the ill-advised clothing she's got on.

Have at it... I recognize there's a lot of holes in my half-assed theory and MB likely would have convulsions over the idea of three women being out on the first episode.



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"RE: CAST PICS AND THOSE WE ARE MISSING"
Posted by Corvis on 01-14-05 at 12:32 PM
Two thoughts:

Ashlee's legs do appear to be an impossible angle for her to be standing upright. I wish we could see her feet. Is this pic floating around without the border?

Angie could just be a lot more pale than everyone else. It would certainly fit with her character as we know it so far. Still, she does look pasted in there.

"RE: CAST PICS AND THOSE WE ARE MISSING"
Posted by Brownroach on 01-14-05 at 12:52 PM
TDT has pointed out that in the pictures of the cast walking with Jeff Probst, only Caryn, Ashlee, Jolanda and Wanda are not seen, and speculates that if Jeff is leading them to the challenge site in these caps, perhaps two of those four are already gone.


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"RE: CAST PICS AND THOSE WE ARE MISSING"
Posted by smokedog on 01-14-05 at 01:03 PM
LAST EDITED ON 01-14-05 AT 01:05 PM (EST)

check it out....

eta: courtesy survivorfever.net, Palau page

"RE: CAST PICS AND THOSE WE ARE MISSING"
Posted by Wheezy on 01-14-05 at 01:25 PM
I believe Angie is truly in the group photo. She's casting a shadow. Of course, MB's crew may have thought of that.

Ashlee is questionable. Awkward stance, no shadow--but she may be entirely in the shade there.

I enlarged the photo -- it's too large a file to post here, but I'll see if I can mess with it a bit more.

--->

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"RE: CAST PICS AND THOSE WE ARE MISSING"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 01-14-05 at 01:27 PM
LAST EDITED ON 01-14-05 AT 01:33 PM (EST)

Thanks for providing this pic without the frame... again, Ashlee looks unnatural in this picture. Head's bigger than Bobby Jon and I don't think anyone would use the forearm right past the wrist to lean below the shoulder of Bobby's -- it's not like it would be a "pose quickly then snap the pic then it's over" type of thing.

Angie also looks like she could be pasted in -- I agree about her light skin befitting her character. Also, if you blow up the picture to about 3-4 times the current size, you can see a dark shadow behind Angie, while none of the others seem to have any shadows.

Edited after reading Wheezy's post above mine... I agree it's more likely that Angie is part of the picture than cropped in. It's worth noting, though, that the shadows are a little funny here. There's a shadow to the left (on the right for us folks viewing the pic) of Angie, but the guy in the far left kneeling in the middle row has a huge shadow going the other way towards Angie. Why does he have a huge shadow but the others don't?



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"RE: CAST PICS AND THOSE WE ARE MISSING"
Posted by Wheezy on 01-14-05 at 01:49 PM
LAST EDITED ON 01-14-05 AT 01:52 PM (EST)

I doubt this is any better...but. I'm no IceCat.


The cast is facing the sun, and the sun is over the right shoulder of the photographer. Ashlee does actually cast a shadow as well. As for Big-Headed Shadow Guy, he may have his head tilted forward a bit--the farther away his head is from the person behind him, the larger the shadow would be. Others in that row seem to be posed more between and in front of the standing row. BHSG is in front of somebody's(?) stomach. I think there are trees behind them so some of them might be in the shade.

What is Ashlee holding in her left hand?

---> edited to change 'Tom's(?)' to 'somebody's', since Tom is next to BHSG. I get the muscley men mixed up.

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"RE: CAST PICS AND THOSE WE ARE MISSING"
Posted by Corvis on 01-14-05 at 02:21 PM
Thanks for the feet pic.

I really think Ashlee was pasted in there. I am not sure about Angie, however, if Ashlee was pasted in there because she's one of the two who got lost on the way to the challenge, there must be one other person who was pasted in. Angie is the next best choice.

I think Pepe may have found our two eliminated Survivors.

"RE: CAST PICS AND THOSE WE ARE MISSING"
Posted by Brownroach on 01-14-05 at 02:45 PM
LAST EDITED ON 01-14-05 AT 02:50 PM (EST)

If anyone is pasted in, those two would make the most sense, as they are on the extreme edges and the picture seems to have a complete composition without them. I don't think Caryn is pasted in because they would have had to deliberately leave a space in the middle of the front row.

ETA: why are so many people assuming that the two people get lost on the way to the challenge? Because MB said they "don't make it to the first challenge?" I think that's much too literal an interpretation. I believe MB just means they were gone by the time of the challenge. It's like saying someone "didn't make it to the merge."


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"RE: CAST PICS AND THOSE WE ARE MISSING"
Posted by FesterFan1 on 01-14-05 at 02:56 PM
I agree, BR. It's a combination of Burnett saying some were truly "lost" out there, and that 2 "didn't make it to the challenge". It's too literal of an interpretation, IMO as well.

He also said 3 got booted in E1 by design in that same Variety piece. I think what he meant by "lost" was more along the lines of their being clueless without direction from Probst or the production staff rather than literally wandering around away from the group and failing to make it back to camp.

The picture does look a little fishy, but don't they generally take it first thing on Day 1? Perhaps we should examine the clothing worn in the photo more closely.

Fester

"RE: CAST PICS AND THOSE WE ARE MISSING"
Posted by Brownroach on 01-14-05 at 03:02 PM
I think what he meant by "lost" was more along the lines of their being clueless without direction from Probst or the production staff rather than literally wandering around away from the group and failing to make it back to camp.

I wholeheartedly agree. And as Dweezil pointed out, MB is emphasizing "lost" as a sort of nod to the airplane-crash show LOST.


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"RE: CAST PICS AND THOSE WE ARE MISSING"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 01-14-05 at 03:14 PM
FWIW, I said "lost or eliminated in the first episode" in my pic manifesto... there's not enough information for me to determine which it is, but I am more likely to believe that there is some sort of challenge where the last pair to arrive somewhere or are "captured" is automatically eliminated. I just can't see them having an extra TC in addition to the usual one at the end of the episode because it's only a hour long.

Do we know of any "rites of passage" on Palau, kind of like what they did in Vanuatu? Maybe there is some sort of challenge where Jiffy leads the survivors to a challenge on the same beach near where they landed -- normally Jiffy doesn't come to meet them in order to go to a IC challenge -- and then they have a preliminary challenge where a "POW" from each side is captured and the surprise is that the POWs are eliminated from the game. They're then given their buffs and told to go back to camp before they have a normal IC.



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"RE: CAST PICS AND THOSE WE ARE MISSING"
Posted by Brownroach on 01-14-05 at 03:26 PM
Is it confirmed that the premiere is one hour? I didn't think we knew yet.

If so, I agree two TC's are out of the question. But if the premiere is two hours, it's possible. They could have had a TC at the end of day 2, say, that eliminated two contestants (which would foster the impression that they are going to remain one tribe). Then, on day three they could be assigned tribes right before the challenge, followed by another TC that night.


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"The Early Show web article"
Posted by FesterFan1 on 01-14-05 at 03:30 PM
TES web article states that the premiere is from 8-9 on Feb. 17.

I wouldn't exactly call that confirmation. I think it's more like assumption.

Fester

"RE: CAST PICS AND THOSE WE ARE MISSING"
Posted by FesterFan1 on 01-14-05 at 03:36 PM
I don't think the POW thing or a last to arrive scenario is what eliminates the first 2. I've tried to compile what we know and don't know about the first 2 boots here.

I'm of the belief that anything that could be construed as a challenge won't be how they're eliminated, because Burnett said that 2 don't even make the first challenge. He didn't say first immunity challenge. He said first challenge.

Fester

"RE: CAST PICS AND THOSE WE ARE MISSING"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 01-14-05 at 03:39 PM
Eh, Burnett has spewed a ton of crap over the years and overhyped almost every single "twist" in each season but you're right, I didn't see that part about the first challenge.



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"RE: CAST PICS AND THOSE WE ARE MISSING"
Posted by Brownroach on 01-14-05 at 03:52 PM
I'm of the belief that anything that could be construed as a challenge won't be how they're eliminated, because Burnett said that 2 don't even make the first challenge.

I agree -- a situation where the last two to arrive somewhere are eliminated is basically a race which is basically a challenge.

We also don't know if the two get eliminated at the same time, or if one goes first and then the other goes later.



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"RE: CAST PICS AND THOSE WE ARE MISSING"
Posted by PhoenixMons on 01-14-05 at 04:22 PM
LAST EDITED ON 01-14-05 AT 04:24 PM (EST)

While I am not sure what I think about how these first two 'don't make it to the first challenge', I do know that just because MB said 'first challenge' doesn't mean anything that could be construed as a challenge by US is out.

Things are exaggerated all the time...I could easily see him saying 'first challenge' while meaning first 'typical' challenge or first reward challenge (do they do rewards on the first episode? I can't remember...) or whatever.

I don't how how they could feasibly accomplish some sort of race to make it somewhere (to avoid instant elimination) - I suppose it could happen, but I don't think it's likely because of logistics - how would they 'announce' this to the survivors? Just doesn't seem likely.

And as per your 'things we know' post, I kind of doubt MB would use an 'odd man out' (or even in this case) scenario for eliminating the first two people...maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part, but I just don't see it panning out this way...UNLESS they don't pick tribes until after a few days of being all together. But still, it doesn't make much sense to give THAT much power (completely different from picking your teammates...no one is left out that way) to two people...

"RE: CAST PICS AND THOSE WE ARE MISSING"
Posted by PepeLePew13 on 01-14-05 at 02:59 PM
>What is Ashlee holding in her left hand?

Looks like it's either a wristband or a scrunchie - maybe IceCat's scrunchie. It's laid out like a wristband in the pic below, but in your pic (Wheezy's), it's bunched up a la a scrunchie.

37



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"RE: CAST PICS AND THOSE WE ARE MISSING"
Posted by VolcanicGlass on 01-14-05 at 04:24 PM
LAST EDITED ON 01-14-05 AT 04:26 PM (EST)

The whole tribe picture is usually taken just before the game starts. If you check previous seasons, they are dressed exactly as they are when we first see them.

Here are the close-ups of Angie and Ashlee.

"RE: CAST PICS AND THOSE WE ARE MISSING"
Posted by volsfan on 01-16-05 at 03:46 PM
During All Stars (I can't believe I am talking about that plane crash) the picture was taken right before they ran the first challenge. Remember, MB didn't want them to know who was in the game.

"RE: CAST PICS AND THOSE WE ARE MISSING"
Posted by Risti on 01-16-05 at 03:47 PM
On the one hand, Ashlee is casting a shadow. On th eother hand, she's clearly wet. And not wearing shoes, from what I can make of the foot that's foreward. I'll do an increased zoom yet and see what the pixels look like around her outline.
"RE: CAST PICS AND THOSE WE ARE MISSING"
Posted by okaloosajohn on 01-16-05 at 03:52 PM
What's ill-advised about her clothing? It looks okay to me!