All you people who come over here and tell us how unfair it all is and how wrong it is, just stop it. We can be mean to them if we want. Thats the reason why we are here. if you don't like it, move on. Unfair treatment? Hardly. Rob, Paige, Erin and every single other person who appeared on that show deserves the bashing that they get, if we choose to do so.

Lately, this board has seen so many claims of "Rob is so wonderful, get the facts straight before you claim he groped a woman on his ship." Guess what peeps, there are facts out there that he did do exactly this.

Give it up. Go away and let us bash in peace

*giggles*

I.heart.LadyT

To those Rob supporters:

Okay, it's fair to come here and support Rob if y'all wish. Don't go away, either, as your contributions could be worthwhile. But MAKE them worthwhile.

1) I notice that every person on here demanding we stop bashing Rob is a NEWBIE. Nothing wrong with being a newbie, and flames not intended, but when I see several of you with less than 50 posts total (give or take a few) trying to defend Rob, it makes me wonder how much Rob paid you guys to be his public relations firm. Fair warning: you're up against some experienced reality-tv-show bashers with thousands of posts behind them. Have your ducks in a row.

2) Bring game. Let's see some examples of Rob being a stellar success. So far Rob has a) ruined a potential military career, as I pointed out in another post, b) lost his law office, and it appears lost his job, c) appeared on the show as a not-well-spoken, can't-handle-his-alcohol, woman-disrespecting leering lush. Hey, you complain that the tabloids don't give Rob his props? Here's your chance now. What job does Rob have now? Tell us about it. Is he in AA or AlAnon? Let us know. But back up any words with something we can rely upon... like a link to a story.

Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

Good morning SurvivingDawg.

So far, the biggest mistake made by Mr. Campos was to have entered that show as a contestant. I wish for him to read this e-mail, he might learn a few things or two. Perhaps KAKES who posted on 7/07 might help accomplish this goal.

These shows are as far from reality as can be. Mr. Campos was paralysed to be in front of cameras and being inept at ad-libbing and acting made him appeared like a buffon and a jerk which he absolutely is not. Odd, he only laughed out loud once during the entire show.

Being mesmerized by Ms. Brodie silenced his heart and instincts and he was railroaded into making a wrong choice. True, he was a fool. In the end, he was ridiculed, disgraced, lowered to gutter level and finally walked out alone, dejected and empty handed.

Regarding the accusations leveled at his door, we only have one-sided depositions to rely upon. Mr. Campos has yet to pick the glove. I am sure it is not out of fear of confronting his accusers but out of contempt for them.

I now am going to turn the tables on Mr. Campos. It is high time for you Sir, to stand tall and correct the injust accustions that will follow for the rest of your life, if you don't take a stand at this time!

Very respectfully submitted. E.J.H.

LAST EDITED ON 07-13-03 AT 01:04 PM (EST)

>Mr. Campos was paralysed to be in front of cameras

This is a fact? Sounds more like one hell of an asumption to me... what evidence do you have to support this claim that he was "paralysed"?

>and being inept at ad-libbing and acting made him appeared
>like a buffon and a jerk which he absolutely is
>not.

How do you know it's absolutely not true? Have you ever met the man?

>Being mesmerized by Ms. Brodie silenced
>his heart and instincts and he was railroaded into making
>a wrong choice.

"Railroaded"? By who? When? What evidence do you have of this? Sounds like more careless assumptions on your part.

>Regarding the accusations leveled at his
>door, we only have one-sided depositions to rely upon.
>Mr. Campos has yet to pick the glove.

Once again, Rob's supporters trot out the "he hasn't told his side of the story" defense -- he CERTAINLY HAS, you just haven't apparently read about it -- and it's not much of a defense, there's only so much "defending" that you can do when you're guilty. And he told it to the same source you accuse of being "one-sided."

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/campos1.html

When confronted by military brass, Campos explained that he was inebriated and could not recall what transpired in the woman's bedroom.

While he repeated this claim in a brief TSG interview, the onset of Campos's drunken amnesia that night seemed to coincide with his knuckles rapping on the woman's door. Because he told us, "She was making advances toward me. I did phone her and she gave me directions to her room." Campos recalled arriving there around midnight, but then, conveniently, everything goes black. He just can't recall the groping. Or the knee being driven into his testicles. Or the spewing that followed.

These were all messy details lost in his inebriated fog. But that didn't stop Rob from floating a classy piece of speculation on the night's events: "My buddies said she got angry because I was too drunk to get it up," Campos told TSG. This from a guy whose bio modestly describes him as "keen, intelligent, honest and hospitable." Considering the damage this scorned Jezebel wrought, Campos surely filed a complaint (administrative or civil) against the officer, since her fabrications were a violation of the military code of honor, right? No, he didn't, Campos acknowledged.

His "I was too drunk to remember anything" explanation was not a particularly strong defense. In mid-July 1999, Campos was formally disciplined (via what the Marines call a "non-judicial punishment") for the groping incident and shipped off to a logistics base in Albany, Georgia, where he was ordered to undergo substance abuse treatment.

And when that apparently wasn't enough, he went on Extra TV as well. I'm curious... so even if you buy Rob's story that he was invited over to her room... do you really believe the woman kicked him in the privates because he couldn't perform??? You find that more plausible than the fact that the woman was reacting to some unwanted sexual advance???

-SB

SB-

What happened "to innocent until proven guilty!"

The ball is now clearly in front of Mr. Campos' face. The choice is his to either confront his detracters or for ever
live under the pall of scorn and suspicion.

Why don't you be fair and give him the time to decide.

Enjoy the rest of this Sunday.

E.J.H.

LAST EDITED ON 07-13-03 AT 06:50 PM (EST)

What happened "to innocent until proven guilty!"

It's safe and sound. Rob has been proved guilty, or else he admitted guilt. As TSG article says, he received "non-judicial" punishment. You, EJH, claim to have been in the military, so you'll know that "non-judicial" punishment is called an "Article 15" in the Army and "Captain's Mast" in the Navy. I'm not sure what the Marine Corps calls it.

And, a military member can always refuse non-judicial punishment and demand a court-martial. Innocent soldiers do this; guilty ones take the Article 15. Rob accepted the Non-Judicial Punishment. And this is proved because Non-Judicial Punnishment cannot be forced upon someone... it must be accepted to be on the record.

Usually Enlisted personnel (NCOs, specialists, privates, etc.) get Article 15s for getting into fights at bars, or military rule violations, etc. For an Officer to get an Article 15 is a career-ender. In fact, most officers are allowed to resign their commissions, unless the charge is serious enough. For Rob to have actually gotten the non-judicial punishment means that this was a serious enough case that a) the Marines thought they had enough to court-marital Rob in the event he demanded said court-martial, and b) that he wasn't allowed to resign his commission in lieu of judicial proceedings for his actions vis-a-vis this woman.

Why don't you be fair and give him the time to decide.

He's had time. He had time while in the Marines. He had time while considering being on this TV show. He had time AFTER the TV show. You just wanna give him forever, Dr. Blix? Fine, but don't expect me to be so generous. I'm not, nor were the United States Marine Corps.

Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

LAST EDITED ON 07-13-03 AT 11:56 PM (EST)

EJH -- nice job once again not bothering to reply to any of the responses posed to you.

How do you "absolutely" know that Rob is not "buffon and a jerk"?

How do you know that "Mr. Campos was paralysed"?

What evidence do you have that Rob was "railroaded into making a wrong choice"?

What part of "Rob already told at least two media sources his side of the story" are you not understanding?

Are you saying you believe the woman REALLY kicked him in the privates because he couldn't perform???

I'm sorry, but your replies and those of Guppin1234 don't even make any sense any more, you're both broken records who ignore any evidence the shows your "facts" to be completely wrong and don't even bother replying to the information presented to you.

To Guppin -- this forum is for remotely INTELLIGENT and REASONABLE discussion. Not for continued mindless, illogical "personal" dribble. Your arguments are weak and don't even make sense. You ignore the responses of others and continue to ramble on with the same rhetoric. Rob's "superior officer" wouldn't comment on the issue because it's unethic and against regulations for him to do so -- a fact that any objective person would find it difficult to believe Rob (a lawyer) was NOT likely completely aware of when he made that flippant comment to The Smoking Gun.

But by all means... feel free to continue to believe in the oh-so-logical "she kicked me in the privates because I couldn't perform" defense...

-SB

Your arguments are weak and don't even make sense. You ignore the responses of others and continue to ramble on with the same rhetoric. Rob's "superior officer" wouldn't comment on the issue because it's unethic and against regulations for him to do so -- a fact that any objective person would find it difficult to believe Rob (a lawyer) was NOT likely completely aware of when he made that flippant comment to The Smoking Gun.

This reminds me of a murder trial I watched while on Jury Duty. It was a re-trial, actually, the first one being overturned on technicalities.

After a recess the defense lawyer made an objection in advance, charging that the prosecution wanted to ask witnesses if they'd seen the defendant in the last 3 years and if not, why not. Well, the answer was, he'd been in jail awaiting trial, then re-trial, so OF COURSE no one saw him for 3 years. Sure enough, the prosecutor asked someone the question, the defense renewed the objection, and the judge sustained it, slamming the prosecutor pretty hard.

Same here: A superior officer in the military COULD NOT discuss the situation because he would violate several UCMJ (and probably civilian) laws. Military personnel information is considered all but classified. So to use this trick of referring to the superior officer's silence as being an implication of innocence (or in the case of the murder trial, of guilt) is disingenuous at the core.

Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

LAST EDITED ON 07-14-03 AT 07:01 AM (EST)

oops, same as No. 21 above, which, due to technical gufus, appeared twice. Sorry 'bout that.

1) I notice that every person
>on here demanding we stop
>bashing Rob is a NEWBIE.

Being new to this chat room has nothing to do with personal opinion. A chat room setting conditions as to how I think contradicts the idea of "personal" opinon. I'm not "demanding" you stop bashing Rob, but I "suggested" that he be given at least some benefit of the doubt.

>me wonder how much Rob
>paid you guys to be
>his public relations firm.

I am not a paid public relations firm. From what I've seen, PR firms keep their opinions short and as vague as possible.

>Fair warning: you're up
>against some experienced reality-tv-show bashers
>with thousands of posts behind
>them.

Wow... thousands? The fact that you have experience as a basher doesn't make any difference. It's a forum/discussion, right?

>2) Bring game. What job does
>Rob have now?

Rob has just cause to sue NBC. He was misled and never informed of the money. Money changes everything, and based on a few dates, of course these women would choose the money. Even little Miss Paige had to struggle with that after stating her intentions of love. It's a no brainer, and he would have been able to figure that out before filming started, and he would have backed out of a no-win situation.

They did a background check and accepted him onto the show. If their check didn't reveal his military past, it's for good reason. Even his superior officer would not comment on it. Like he said, it was a private matter, resolved and in the past. This woman involved in the incident had her day in court, and I'm suspicious of her intentions in bringing this out at this point in time. She's the equivalent of a stalker, and she is guilty of slander. If she was truly traumatized, her reaction should be one of wanting to put it behind her and not wanting to talk about it. Given the chance, Rob would have discussed it with his intended at the appropriate time, it's unavoidable if the relationship really means anything to him, but he would need a fresh start and some kind of basis over time from which she could judge him based on their one-on-one experiences together.. give him at least a six month running start anyway.

Back up any words
>with something we can rely
>upon... like a link to
>a story.

As in a link to Smoking Gun? Don't do tabloids, sorry. Things aren't always as they seem and even if Rob came forward with enough testimony to set things straight in his mind, there will always be critics standing in line to suck him back down as they have no other form of recreation... I guess. Giving in to a basher just to satisfy his/her curiosity is just a covert cattle prod into fueling the fire.

I guess I can't understand the sustained hatred or this false sense or righteousness some people have. I'd love to see those people in the tabloids, I might even be enticed into actually buying at that point.

You're probably voting for Jerry Springer for Senate, huh?

Guppin1234:

How can I ever thank you for the first rate answer to gave to Survivor (whatever) posting.

Now, if we could only bring Rob Campos out of his shell!

All the best. E.J.H.

Well... at least I'm not alone in contesting the Rob bashers, that is a thank you to me.

Perhaps Lady T/Shakes/Dawg/Survivor are otherwise repressed in their every day lives and they have to slam others in order to feel better about themselves. Whatever the case may be, the more frequent and colorful their tantrums of verbosity become, the less credibility they have. If their words were a baseball bat and this forum was Rob's head, he'd be in a coma or dead. They are too one-dimensional to see the whole picture. Like I stated in another post, don't go against the grain too much, or they will ask you to leave the chat room.

By the way, I compared this forum to a tabloid because of the nature of their comments revealing the character of the author.

LAST EDITED ON 07-13-03 AT 09:10 PM (EST)

>They are too one-dimensional to see the whole picture. Like I >stated in another post, don't go against the grain too much, or they >will ask you to leave the chat room.

So which one of your posts show that you are two-dimensional?

And when exactly have you shown one sign of credibility?

Perhaps you should try to show one little bit of proof that anything you have said is or will ever become correct. You have yet to show anything except a bunch of remarks that haven't proven a single thing about Rob. Every single one of them just shows your never changing opinion involved but not even an ounce of proof of anything except false predictions of what Rob has done with his situations and how the Armed Forces control behavior.

I believe it is everyone else that has actually shown proven facts unlike you who justs keeps repeating the same things over a million times despite the facts being right in front of your face.

T-Mac hits the three! Magic Win! Magic Win!

Guppin, I'm going to be as nice about this as I can possibly be.

We can argue about Rob. We can debate him, and we can disagree with the content of each other's messages.

But there is this thing called "The Guidelines" for this board. Links to it have already been provided to you. Calling other posters "repressed in their everyday lives", "have to slam others in order to feel better about themselves", "their tantrums of verbosity", etc. etc. etc. are at best very close to violations of these Guidelines, and at worst cross the line.

Like I stated in another post, don't go against the grain too much, or they will ask you to leave the chat room.

If you examine this thread, you will see posts by a user named "SurvivorBlows". Some of us call him "Webby". I'd suggest you take particular notice of his posts. You see, Webby owns this board. Your "free speech rights" on this board are not derived from the Constitution, but from Webby. A reading of Webby's messages on this board show clearly where he stands, and I commend your attention to that. Believe me, if Webby asks you to leave the chat room, you WILL be leaving the chat room.

Once again, this is the friendly advice. And it's my last such offering to you. We can debate Rob, if you wish, but as I said above: Bring game. I've already pointed out why Rob's military record is both true and devastating, and I've proved that Rob has admitted guilt in that incident. If there is evidence to the contrary, you need to provide it.

Also, you need to find a way to counter the (widely held) perception of Rob on TV: as a leering, boorish, woman-disrespecting lush. That's what we (agree that we) saw on television. Also, calling us "repressed" and our posts "tantrums of verbosity" does not represent an argument or defense, nor does it refute the content of our posts.

Have a nice day, and say hello to Rob for us.

Contradictions don't exist. If you are faced with a contradiction, check your premises. You will find that one of them is wrong. -- Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

LAST EDITED ON 07-13-03 AT 05:45 PM (EST)

>Being new to this chat room
>has nothing to do with
>personal opinion. A chat
>room setting conditions as to
>how I think contradicts the
>idea of "personal" opinon.
>I'm not "demanding" you stop
>bashing Rob, but I "suggested"
>that he be given at
>least some benefit of the
>doubt.

...first "of" all, what is "with" your retarded "use" of quotation "marks". Not ONCE in "all" of your posts "have" you put quotation marks "around" ANYTHING that would "warrant" the use "of" quotation marks.

In my years of experience if there is one thing I've learned its that people who insist on misusing quotes like that, whether it be in writing or with those stupid air quotes people use when they talk, are always the types of people who are not nearly as intelligent as they want people to believe they are. In fact, nine out of ten times they are usually utter morons. Its like the person who keeps throwing the same two or three "big" words into their sentences so people won't realize how stupid that person really is. By the way, what I just did there in that sentence with the word "big" was the PROPER context to use quotation marks in a sentence. Try your hardest to figure out why and maybe you'll realize why you look like such a jackass when you do it.

>Wow... thousands? The fact that you
>have experience as a basher
>doesn't make any difference.
>It's a forum/discussion, right?
>

..yeah, it makes a difference in the fact that you just end up looking really stupid when you try and go up against one of us..kind of like you've been doing with ALL of you moronic posts.

> If their check didn't
>reveal his military past, it's
>for good reason.

..yeah, because they are sealed records.

This woman
>involved in the incident had
>her day in court, and
>I'm suspicious of her intentions
>in bringing this out at
>this point in time.

...like you've already been told a thousand times, she DIDN'T bring it out, it was discovered by independent reporting. Try getting that into your big brain Stephen Hawking.

>She's the equivalent of a
>stalker, and she is guilty
>of slander.

...uhm idiot, hate to break it to you but it ain't slander if its true. And it ain't stalking when they come to YOUR room. God are you dumb.

If she
>was truly traumatized, her reaction
>should be one of wanting
>to put it behind her
>and not wanting to talk
>about it.

...oh I'm sorry, you're an expert in what it takes to recover from a sexual assault.

>As in a link to Smoking
>Gun? Don't do tabloids, sorry.

....uhm, once again, like you've been told a THOUSAND times already, TSG is NOT a tabloid, it merely publishes hard to find documents and does some follow up reporting based on what is in those documents. I've yet to see an article at TSG about alien abductions, who's pregnant with who's baby, or talking dogs who predict the future.

> Things aren't always as
>they seem and even if
>Rob came forward with enough
>testimony to set things straight
>in his mind, there will
>always be critics standing in
>line to suck him back
>down as they have no
>other form of recreation... I
>guess.

..definitely you are guessing cause as you already know (damn, this sounds like a broken record) Rob DID come out with his own statement, the highly believeable "she kicked me cause I couldn't get it up" defense.

>
>I guess I can't understand the
>sustained hatred or this false
>sense or righteousness some people
>have.

..and I can't understand how you could be so fvcking stupid. I mean, seriously, what the hell's wrong with you? I don't even care if this violates the ZTP, some times, certain people need to be put in their place. And you and all these other idiots who have showed up at this site in the last week are without a doubt the dumbest fvkcing people who have ever posted here. At this site everyone has a right to their own opinion, HOWEVER, that all changes when those people have decided to ignore 99% of the information available in order to make their opinions seem valid.

You've asked for examples of why you are wrong and you we're given plenty of them. And yet, you have chosen to simply pretend none of those examples exist as you reply with the exact same misguided statements as you did originally. You clearly have no desire to learn the truth of the situation and at this point you are nothing more than a low level Rob propogandist. That's it, enough is enough, its time for you to leave this site never to return. You've wasted more than enough of our friggen time.

GOOD. FVCKING. RIDDANCE.

Ok, here is the deal. TSG is not a tabloid. They have never released any false information. In fact all their information comes from police and military reports. They just release those reports under the Freedom of Information Act. So before you and the other members of Rob's family that have registered here in the last two weeks start going off about how wonderful Rob is, please know your facts about things like TSG.

And where do you get this information that Rob has a right to sue the show? Do YOU have information that states he can? And of course, can you back it up. Put your money where your mouth is and show us your proof.

I am all for differing opinions. Don't get me wrong. But you and others have been shown proof of his actions and you refuse to accept it. Move on

...I liked my reply better

Yeah well, I only skimmed yours before and now I see that damn, mine does sound an awful lot like yours. Trust me, I can come up with an original though So can we conclude that great minds think alike? I didn't mean to practically steal yours, never my intention.

To LadyT and Shakesthe Clown.

Your opinions have made no dent in mine.

S.C. My husband was a 30 yrs veteran not I.

I will not be dictated by either of you.

Good day. E.J.H.

Please don't be too hard on these newbies guys. They are cracking me up with their hard-line "don't bash" posts. Anyone willing to call webby, Survivor (whatever) should be kept around for moronic entertainment value alone.

EJH, you might want to remember one little tiny thing, when people sign up for this kind of program they put themselves in front of a spotlight. And when you put yourself in the national spotlight, we're gonna see the shadows behind you. You either know what you're getting yourself into when you sign the contracts OR you're too stupid to worry and get everything we can throw at you on the bashing front.

--seeks truth, justice and a kick ass mojito

should be kept around for moronic entertainment value alone

Agreed. It has been more fun than the show ever was.

What's also fun is realizing that these people don't even know what real bashing is. Compared to what we've said about some of the DAW's on other shows we've been down right kind and considerate about Rob.

MISTOFLEAS:

Thank you, thank you, you are most kind!

I am a septuagenarian and have learned, seen and heard more than you will ever do. In other areas, I am already in the spotlight and very well conditioned to take the heat.

So, your remarks have no effect on me

Good day. Try to make it a good one for people around you.

Geeze, as a self-proclaimed know-it-all, your inablilty to comprehend the obvious is disturbing. Perhaps if you showed some grasp of the facts presented here, your opinions wouldn't be perceived as dubious.

>I am a septuagenarian and have learned, seen and heard more
>than you will ever do.

Age does not equal wisdom, I'd met just as many ignorant senior citizens as I've met ignorant youngsters. On the other hand, it's been my experience that younger folks are less stubborn and far more open to differing opinions than the elderly. I'm not sure how you age makes you any more qualified on this issue than anyone else.

And if your actions here are any indication, I suspect you've "learned" very little from what you've "heard" -- anything anyone tries to tell you seems to be completely ignored and not even recognized or acknowledged.

-SB

Am I the only one who is getting the feeling that Edmee thinks that Rob is reading these forums, so that her support will get to him personally?

I am a septuagenarian and have learned, seen and heard more than you will ever do.

I have no response to this type of hubris. Anything I say would be ignored anyway so I see no point.

You obviously have a way with words, so it's really too bad you choose to use them in such an ignorant way.

--is thankful that her meglomania exists in OT play time only

Well, we're spinning our wheels here. I'll be out for a while with the new one starting. I'm not sure if I can sit through another one of these, but it will be interesting to see how the men react to the money.

I haven't used air quotes in the past, but I think I'll start just for fun..... see, he's a repressed English teacher. LOL!

Take care.

I'd like to say that I like egg salad on rye toast.

I just felt that needed to be said right about now.

with or without sweet pickles?

Little tiny diced gherkins...

>I'd like to say that I
>like egg salad on rye
>toast.
>

....I just have to say that that sentence is the single dumbest thing I have ever read on this message board. Ice Cat, whoever the hell you are, you should be ashamed of yourself!!! RYE TOAST!!! Are you friggen kidding me???!!?? EVERYONE knows that egg salad goes best on a kaiser roll, and NOT toasted!!!!

And another thing. Pickles, NO....tomatoes....YES! Serioulsy, what's wrong with you? That one's a no brainer, which judging by your post, obviously makes you qualified.

I am absolutely appaled by your post and I personally think you should be removed from this message forum, no strike that, the entire gene pool, and shot like your Wesley Snipes childhood friend in the movie New Jack City.

I just can not handle these moronic newbies one second further...they are making me sick.

Rye toast {/grimacing}

WORST. SANDWICH. EVER.

Sardine paste on liver-flavored biscotti!

Now that's a sandwich!

I wonder how this clown guy would react to my love of Olive Loaf on white bread. Or thinly sliced beef tongue on whole wheat.

I know...I know...newbie get thee gone!

--feels really old