Would be interesting to know what MORE happens on the boat. Other than being left to fend for themselves it is not usual to be assigned anything other than after they arrive at camp. I also notice that they have their packs with them.

They seem to have alot more clothes than usual, and alot more accessories as well. I think I've seen Ami in four different outfits already, so much for suffering, lol

Maybe it IS a setup for a aborigine "attack" later, we shall see with more vidcaps soon. 16 days to go!

These shots seem to be in chronological order. First arrive, then split into camps, then build homes. But, the last four shots we see the men seriously discussing stuff. there are no comperable shots of the women.

Classic survivor editing highlights strategy during the period after the IC and before TC. The winning tribe is usually just ignored in their celebrations, and hte audience watches the losing tribe bicker and scramble.

Not one of the men is smiling in these last shots. In fact, they seem slightly irritated. I think these final four shots correspond to the final 15 minutes of the episode.

Men lose ep. 1.

MM

Matty, from the challenge vidcaps, here's one

where it shows they get some dirty. Granted it's only mud, but mud still stains.

Cap 33 may be post competition. Compare the brightness of the yellow buff with cap 17.

I'm pretty sure they've jumbled the bag. See cap 34 with Lisa & Scout building camp.

Cap 20. doing same thing.

I think you have two good points, cap'n.

First, that the stills are jumbled, as pointed out by the double Scout shots.

Second, that some of the shots may be taken POST CHALLENGE, because of the mud. I think this is really interesting and I want to look further into it, but not right now.

Still I think I have a point, These shots are stills from the to-be-aired episode. Every minute they show on tv is chosen for a reason, especially in the first episode.

The clips we've seen have all been intergral to the 'plot': there's the arrival, the division into tribes, the building of shelter and the challenge. We've seen very few scenes around camp where they're not being productive. For the women, we see Lisa and the Shepardess hugging, and I think we've also seen a couple of shots of Eliza laughing or something. It's as if they're portraying the tribe as harmonious.

But for the men, we get these shots of them debating something. What would they be debating? It's the first episode, they'd only show it to us if it has a direct impact upon the raw dynamics of the show. Perhaps they're discussing the shelter, but they're not holding or doing anything in these last pics. From the expressions and body language, they seem to be talking about something slightly unpleasant, quite possibly the boot.

Also, notice how there's a variety to these 'debate' shots around the men's camp. They are photos of a few different discussions between different parties. This variety would correspond to the montage style in which they present these pre-TC boot discussions.

I'm first to admit it's speculation, but I always look for editing that highlights bickering. It's a big red flag that a tribe's going to council.

MM

>But for the men, we get these shots of them debating something. What would they be debating? It's the first episode,
>they'd only show it to us if it has a direct impact upon the raw dynamics of the show. Perhaps they're discussing the shelter, but they're not holding or doing anything in these last pics. From the expressions and body language, they seem to be
>talking about something slightly unpleasant, quite possibly the boot.
>Also, notice how there's a variety to these 'debate' shots around the men's camp. They are photos of a few different
>discussions between different parties. This variety would correspond to the montage style in which they present these pre-TC boot discussions.
>It's a big red flag that a tribe's going to council.

MM, you might have something here. Think I found some evidence to support your theory.

Here's a pic BR posted in another thread 8/19. This from a different angle showing the II. Notice the clothes Brady and Travis are wearing.

Brady, red shirt. Travis, 'Bob Barker' shirt and red pants.
This pic pre-challenge

All assembled for the challenge

Now, look at some pics I think are post challenge. Notice the change of clothes and the stubble. Travis, no shirt and change of pants. JohnK also has changed his pants (blue striped).

This one has the body language of some heavy discussion going on. I would like to think this pic is post challenge. JohnK's pants fit, but Brady is wearing the challenge light blue pants. Anyone see how this all fits?

Yeah, I see what you're talking about. It makes sense because after that challenge they would be dirty... Brady and Peg-Leg also have some light stubble, even a little on pretty boy's chin.

The body language of the guys really struck me in this shot:

None of them are smiling
Brady looks pissed and suspicious.
Chad looks like his thoughts have gotten to him for a moment. what would have gotten to him so on the first 2 days? It's not like he's formed secret alliances or needs to avoid being pagonged... the game just started. What would be a huge stress? voting out the first member of your tribe (and needing a five person majority, to boot)

This shot too:

The way John K. is holding his arm is a sign of nervousness.
Chris' arms are on his side, like 'we have to make a decision.'
and Travis' shoulders are back, as if he's on the defense...

Just the mood of these shots is sombre. Here's the last one of JohnP and Lea.

Look how dirty Lea's shorts are. The white is now brown. These are the shorts he wears to the challenge, as you can see in this shot:

So from the dirty clothing I'm pretty sure that this is post-challenge... and if we see them at all post-challenge then it's probably because we're seeing them discuss the boot..

MM

BTW, I know I'm all over this thread about this theory and that I think that the tiki in the camp is the idol... but I"m beginning to think that it's not. Not because it doesn't look like it, cuz it does, but because how the two guys are so clean-shaven... maybe I was more right on this first track... pissy men = bitter losers

I think I need some professional opinions.

But light plays weird tricks on pics. (huh huh - tricks on pics - huh huh)

Anyways, I was sitting here noticing some similarities of the II, in this shot...

to the Tiki, seen in between Brady and JohnK, in this shot...

I see some white around the eyes, on the II. It also looks a little smaller than the tiki between Brady and JohnK.
Okay so ... I'm pretty much close to deciding it's a fake.

Then was interrupted by a nosy nobody over my shoulder saying this was just the II, but in a different light.
"Can't you see it?"
"Well than, go ahead, ask your friends."

Who's right?

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