Thanks BR.

On a related note, I've just posted a new (but similar) attack on ChillOne's credibility - and, while I was about it, his morality and his ability as a writer - in Bashers, based on his 'Piece of A.S.S.' article.

Skiver

What AK said... ChillOne's "info" would have been a lot more compelling if it hadn't come weeks after others with a lot better track record had already released 90% of the same info.

Why is ChillOne getting "props" and not Snewser??? Because Snewser doesn't put out press releases and a "book" trumpeting himself and revising history in which he pats himself on the back???

ChillOne is a glory-seeking fraud -- nothing more, nothing less, and I'm about "thisclose" from being so sick of hearing about that guy that I'm ready to add his name to the message board's bad word filter

-SB

I'm going to give the last word on ChiliOne (unless anyone wants to pile on and insult this DAW-turned-con man some more) to my old friend Griffe, who is responsible for a lot of the early spoiling of All-Stars that you saw on Survivor News:

(her entire post is here):

From what my Contadora friend told me, ChillOne was there on Contadora just the way he said he was and did make those trips to the camps with Jayson as his guide. As to whether he met with someone the way he describes it in his story, my friend doesn't really know. But his story does seem to have been embellished to give it a flair for the dramatique... ex: saying that "the man" knew of him and his book. The thing is that ChillOne brought his book with him and offered autographed copies to people hence the story would have gotten around anyway. So really I think he created his own reputation that same day as opposed to people knowing of him through warnings from CBS. Besides which I think he was there on December 20th which means almost all the Survivor crew was gone by then (except maybe the accounting staff for final paycheques to the locals).

One thing for sure is that I seriously doubt anyone from CBS was involved in any type of misinformation campaign. The locals do quite well in misinformation all by themselves mostly because of their poor recollections of events, the lack of interest in Survivor details such as boot order, their desire to please hence they will pass off their own speculations as facts.

It's no easy task to separate fact from fiction from them and spending one day with them, as ChillOne did, isn't enough to get a strong grasp of accurate spoilers. But ChillOne maybe got lucky in that a lot of the information was already available on the internet by the time he got to write his report.

I didn't read spoilers either but Rudy and Sue making the jury was WAY OFF. How could he put someone voted of second on the jury.

Most sites nailed the order correctly on a weekly basis.

Personally I don't enjoy spoilers. Somebody has inside information and of course there are people out there that knew who won.

My wife heard Rob and Amber were teh final two real early on. I told her not to tell me and I was glad. Although Probst gave out some clues like how angry the jury was and how ugly the final tribal council was.

As much as I enjoy this board, I do believe that there is a herd mentality among some of the regulars some of the time. It hurts the quality of the spoiling some of the time, which is no big deal, but other times it is unduly harsh, inaccurate and cruel. Chillone may in fact be full of **** but so are some of the speculative posts that I saw this season. I am referring to the posts about Ethan embarrassing himself, or Rawb exposing conduct by Ethan in his social life that would be embarassing to Ethan. Ethan was angry that his friend Lex betrayed him, then Ethan let it go and moved on. Lex is the person who just keeps on embarassing himself. I have not seen anyone on this board acknowledge how inaccurate their speculation was. I note that Varner made no effort to correct the anti-Ethan speculation that was based on Varner's leaks and indicate that Lex and Kathy were the survivors he was referring to who would not be happy with their portrayals in All Stars.

This board often congratulates itself for having more class and perspective than Sucks, but I believe that some of the posters should try a little harder to live up to that claim.

LAST EDITED ON 05-14-04 AT 01:41 PM (EST)

> Chillone may in fact be full of ****
>but so are some of the speculative posts that I
>saw this season. I am referring to the posts
>about Ethan embarrassing himself, or Rawb
>exposing conduct by Ethan in his social life that
>would be embarassing to Ethan. Ethan was angry that
>his friend Lex betrayed him, then Ethan let it go
>and moved on. Lex is the person who just
>keeps on embarassing himself.

Well Ethan did embarrass himself... and did you miss the reports that the scene was also supposedly edited to be a lot more mild than aired? You understand that Varner's reports were based on what HAPPENED during production and unable to control what would be SHOWN, correct? Funny how you don't even acknowledge all of Varner's other accuracies, like the whole Rich/Sue event, another quitting, etc.

>I have not seen anyone on this board acknowledge how
>inaccurate their speculation was.

Varner reported it, why would "this board" acknowledge it? Varner doesn't post here, so what are you expecting? Your beef is with Varner, so go complain to jeffvarner.com. As for each poster "acknowledging" their personal inaccuracy... huh... what do you want, a giant "Mea Culpa" thread? OK, then go ahead and start it. But why? Does any sports columnist acknowledge when any potential trade, etc. they'd suspected doesn't happen? Does a stock analyst acknowledge every stock pick of theirs that didn't plan it? Does a movie critic acknowledge it when a movie they panned scores big at the box office? Then why should anyone here be creating new threads to "acknowledge" their speculation was wrong -- "speculation" is just that.

In the meantime, we'll stick with analyzing the "announcements" of the folks who put out formal press releases and campaigned for media interviews... any posters other than ChillOne who did so, please step forward and be judged. Oh wait -- there aren't any others... woops, guess we'll just have to stick with this fraud then.

>I note that Varner made
>no effort to correct the anti-Ethan speculation that was based
>on Varner's leaks and indicate that Lex and Kathy were
>the survivors he was referring to who would not be
>happy with their portrayals in All Stars.

Your issue is with Varner, not this forum... so what's your point -- that there should be another topic ripping Varner's "bunk" intel? Again, feel free to start it...

>This board often congratulates itself for
>having more class and perspective than Sucks, but I believe
>that some of the posters should try a little harder
>to live up to that claim.

I intentionally kept this site out of any "board wars" years ago and have no intention of letting you take us into any now and fail to see what Sucks or any other site has to do with the topic at hand, namely ChillOne's self-congratulatory proclaimations.

You understand Chillone != Sucks, right???

-SB

hey adker, are you really that stupid that you don't know the difference between what we do on the spoiler boards and what ChillOne attempted to do?

One is called speculating the other is called passing off bad info as fact and using it to try to gain notoriety and money.

I have NEVER seen an established poster from this board post something that he/she claims to be fact only to have it later turn out to be BS.

ChillOne posted a boot list which he claimed was verified by a source. He didn't say he was speculating as to a boot list. No, he claimed he had the boot list.

Around here, many of us post boot lists, but they aren't called boot lists, they are called PTTE and they are based on speculation rather than made up BS.

If you honestly can't tell the difference between what ChillONe did and what we do on the spoiler board then I suggest you stay away from this board cause you are obviously too stupid to grasp the many theories and ideas that are talked about here regularly. I suggest the American Idol fanboy board, that seems to be more your speed.

I missed the part of my post that defended Chill One. It must have been somewhere between the lines but I just can't find it. Am I stupid... that is hard to answer since it is all a matter of degree. I do know the difference between moot and mute, but there are a lot of other things that I do not know.

Webby - thanks for setting me straight. I was buying way too much into Jerri's comments about "reality stars are people too". Where's the fun in that approach to reality tv?

I am glad to see that I did not cause a board war. I do apologize if my comments were inflamatory in that respect.