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"EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by FSUGUY on 04-16-04 at 02:19 PM
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Voice Over Transcript


VO: Only 4 Survivor episodes left. CBS Thursday...
JP: We're gonna get catty.
VO: In a game of truth...
Shii Ann: Someone could get crushed.
Alicia: I don't like these people anymore.
VO: And, an endurance test for immunity...
JP: How much more you got left in you Rupert?
VO: Move a muscle...get washed out.
JP: Whooo hoooo.
VO: Will Survivor sweethearts Rob and Amber turn on each other?
Amber: Even if I'm lying to him he's going to trust me.
VO: There's a million reasons why.
Rob: She may be playing me and if so, hey, she had me fooled.

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"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by SurvivorMack on 04-16-04 at 02:30 PM
Hmmm...

Romber break-up tease probably = no break-up... at least not yet

Man does Rupert look worn in this clip. This guy is insane for coming back so soon after his season. He just looks tired and haggard (pardon the pun).

~ The Mack

"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by KLicK on 04-16-04 at 02:37 PM

Does that say "Rupert" on Rupert/Rob's reply cards and "Tom" on Tom's? Perhaps it's a combo Amazon "knowing you" challenge (Who is the biggest flirt?) and the alliance-revealing chop challenges.

"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by bdemoney on 04-16-04 at 02:48 PM
Klick, It looks like Rupert and Rob's boards say "Rupert" and Tom's says "Tom" so it must be some sort of question and answer about tribe members. Wonder if they can answer with anyone's name from the season or just the remaining tribe members?

On a separate issue, since the web promo clearly indicates that this weeks immunity is an endurance challenge I sure as heck don't see SA winning it! If she doesn't get the boot this week and doesn't win immunity I wonder how she shifts the tables from herself to Alicia? Or does Alicia bring the animosity upon herself?

"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by memacmur on 04-16-04 at 03:19 PM
>Klick, It looks like Rupert
>and Rob's boards say "Rupert"
>and Tom's says "Tom" so
>it must be some sort
>of question and answer about
>tribe members. Wonder if
>they can answer with anyone's
>name from the season or
>just the remaining tribe members?

My guess is it's anyone from the season - you get a point if you answer in the majority. (Same as in the Amazon, where Matteo thought he was very pretty).

>On a separate issue, since the
>web promo clearly indicates that
>this weeks immunity is an
>endurance challenge I sure as
>heck don't see SA winning
>it! If she doesn't
>get the boot this week
>and doesn't win immunity I
>wonder how she shifts the
>tables from herself to Alicia?

Well, I'm going to go ahead and agree with you there. SA is not likely to last too long, especially given the rather cruel predicament the IC appears to be. Hang on for dear life and try to ignore the pain. Tom has yet to show any real endurance, so I'm guessing this will come down to a battle between Rupert and Rawb. (Personally, I think the one vidcap shows Amber falling, not Jenna). The one darkhorse to win might be Alicia, except we've seen that her balance is less then stellar (log-rolling/the dicque-Sue incident game)

MEmacmur

"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by Brownroach on 04-16-04 at 02:41 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-16-04 AT 02:42 PM (EST)

The masks behind Jeff in Cap 5 look like Rob's, Rupert's and Shii Ann's. The blond-haired mask that is about to get smashed in Caps 11-13: Amber or Jenna? And the mask getting smashed in Cap 14 is also Shii Ann's?

And is that Amber or Jenna getting soaked in the IC?


"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by pinchy on 04-16-04 at 02:51 PM
looks like Jenna getting soaked. Dark blue shorts and dark (purple?) bathing suit top held together halter style
"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by emydi on 04-16-04 at 02:52 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-16-04 AT 08:29 PM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON 04-16-04 AT 03:28 PM (EST)


And it appears there is two masks that looks alike in 5 & 14

So we know Shii doesnt win

ETA add'l info after lookin at vcs at home

emydi

"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by emydi on 04-16-04 at 02:43 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-16-04 AT 08:23 PM (EST)

THANKS FOR POSTING FSGUY (btw-when you post these long vcap threads-do you have to copy and paste each vcap on this or is there an easier and faster way to do it)

It looks like the ##### have to make a mask that looks like them for the RC. Thats the tree mail Tom is holding up

Then you chop if you get answers right and it goes green/yellow/and then when Red is cut the mask is smashed(remember this QA challenge from Amazon when RobC aced it and won immunity?--it was a ?airre they filled out that day of the remaining players)

This is Tom with the tree mail here

It's Rob's mask with BRed Sox cap (thx BR) to the left of Jeffy and Rupert and Shii to his left here:

It looks like Ambuh or Jenna (with blond hair) gets killed here:


They show Tom answering Tom and Rupert and Rob answering Rupert. To strongest survivor??

ETR information that wasn't correct-my computer at work was difficult to see, I can see the caps so much better here at home)

emydi

"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by Brownroach on 04-16-04 at 03:01 PM
emydi, I thought it was Rob because it looks more like it's wearing a black baseball cap to me, and I don't see any hair on the sides of it.

Posting vidcaps: there's a faster (and less cumbersome) way than copying and pasting each one. Normally they all have the same file name except the number at the end is different (they go in sequence). So copy the first link and then paste it X times for however many caps there are. Then go back to the top and edit the numbers on 2 thru whatever.


"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by emydi on 04-16-04 at 03:07 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-16-04 AT 08:31 PM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON 04-16-04 AT 03:15 PM (EST)

BR, thanks for the tip about posting (i knew there had to be an easier way) I will be happy to post the web promo whenever I can on Fridays.

etr incorrect info as to not to confuse
emydi

"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by silentJ on 04-20-04 at 01:12 AM
"They show Tom answering Tom and Rupert and Rob answering Rupert. To strongest survivor??"

I think these are negative questions like the slam book challenge from Amazon. That would explain how "one survivor is called the least deserving to be on All-Stars".

"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by Brat2u on 04-16-04 at 03:02 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-16-04 AT 03:18 PM (EST)

Okay, stating the obvious here:

LOL - Big A$$ tree mail mask! Which big guy is holding it? Tom or Rupert, and where did that sweatshirt come from?


28-31 is Jenna taking a bath


3 tribe colored lines on the chopping block, 3 strikes, your done. Alicia probably gets taken down before the other Chaps, a wake up call. FWIW - SA's mask looks like it's resting on a green board.


Hmmm...is that Romber standing in the middle of the ocean? RC is the mask comp, IC is the water dump, so is this a future challenge?

ETA: I don't type/post pics fast enough, sorry for the dups.


"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by samboohoo on 04-16-04 at 03:11 PM
Looks like the RC is like the challenge in the Amazon where you have to answer questions about the others and you try to answer what you think the majority said.

IC looks like Africa where Clarence ended up playing rock, paper, scissors with T-Bird and then wound up being voted out.

Whose hand is that in clips 25, 26 and 27? Looks like a big man hand, but also looks too clean to be Rupert's or Tom's.

Samboohoo

"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by memacmur on 04-16-04 at 03:21 PM
I think it's Tom's hand. He's the palest of the big guys left, plus he has the disposition where he would probably enjoy doing a little dancing with the mask on.

MEmacmur

"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by Brownroach on 04-16-04 at 03:39 PM
Samboohoo means the hand that's letting go of the chain in the IC. I think it's a female hand, probably whoever is seen from above getting dunked right afterward (have we decided is this Amber or Jenna?)

I do think the person with the mask is Tom, the hands are too huge, pudgy and old-looking to be anyone else's. But where did the sweatshirt come from?


"Tom's Sweatshirt"
Posted by samboohoo on 04-16-04 at 03:47 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-16-04 AT 03:53 PM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON 04-16-04 AT 03:51 PM (EST)

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BR, I think Tom may have had this sweatshirt the whole time. I'm trying to go back to find a picture. I think there's one in the Ep. 11 Web caps.

I think we've just gotten too used to seeing him bare chested.

Edited to paste in some pictures I found. Woo hoo I'm finally learning how to do this.

Samboohoo

"Amber's hand"
Posted by Brownroach on 04-16-04 at 05:55 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-16-04 AT 05:57 PM (EST)

Compare these caps -- is Amber wearing whitish nail polish in the cap with Shii? The hand in the IC cap also looks like it has nail polish. And the general contour and the length of the fingers looks the same:

(edited to add third cap)


"Another Hand-Sat promo"
Posted by emydi on 04-17-04 at 07:18 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-17-04 AT 07:36 PM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON 04-17-04 AT 07:29 PM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON 04-17-04 AT 07:26 PM (EST)

I know that everyone will get wet (remember evern Tbird got wet after she won Rock Paper Scissors with Clarence)

But whose hand is this? (from Sat promos-from Fever)

And whose Mask is this? It cant be the blond mask because its behind the wood and the blond one is not

Its not Shii Rob or Rupert either-all 3 are not behind wood


emydi

"RE: Another Hand-Sat promo"
Posted by okaloosajohn on 04-17-04 at 07:25 PM
That's Rupert's hand.


"RE: Another Hand-Sat promo"
Posted by emydi on 04-17-04 at 07:32 PM
Now if we only knew if it was before or after Jeffy says:

Fill in ### name here WINS IMMUNITY

emydi

"RE: Another Hand-Sat promo"
Posted by I_Got_Nutn on 04-18-04 at 03:14 PM
So you think they said, "Hey, Rupert. Before you collapse from exhaustion, would you mind holding this camera. It would be a really great angle shot."

Or maybe it's just staged shot with a double.

Yeah, It's a JSlice

"Jenna loseesRE: Another Hand-Sat promo"
Posted by emydi on 04-18-04 at 04:45 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-18-04 AT 04:51 PM (EST)

Over at Sucks Mess Hall Ajuga has posted a great Vcap showing that Jenna's bucket is starting to fall on her

http://pub207.ezboard.com/fsurvivorsucksfrm11.showMessageRange?topicID=953.topic&start=61&stop=80

This is not of her winning because she is staring at the ground

and you can definitely see its Jenna here at Phoenix

http://resources.survivorphoenix.com/graphics/gallery/S8E12shorts/S8E12shortA13

emydi

"RE: Another Hand-Sat promo"
Posted by Brownroach on 04-19-04 at 10:36 AM
emydi, in these caps I think we are seeing the mask get smashed from the rear, that's why it appears to be behind the wood. I'm not sure if it's the blond mask because there appears to be "hair" down near the chin -- unless the wig is falling down off of it as it breaks:


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"RE: Another Hand-Sat promo"
Posted by emydi on 04-19-04 at 11:08 AM
Thanks BR--
That might be a beard, I cant tell on Rupert's mask in #5 whether it would be made out of straw??? like what seems to be in the smash the mask from behind pictures.


emydi

"RE: Another Hand-Sat promo"
Posted by Brownroach on 04-19-04 at 11:25 AM
I think it's probably Rupert's beard as well. In the middle cap the hair looks continuous from left to right; the blond wig (and any other hairpiece on the women's masks) should be showing a separation in the center even if it is falling down.


"RE: Another Hand-Sat promo"
Posted by emydi on 04-19-04 at 12:03 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-19-04 AT 12:29 PM (EST)

BR

This could also be Tom's beard tho, we dont see Tom's anywhere, and Rob's does not have a beard (BostonRob and JFP cant grow beards!!!) I cant tell what Rupert's beard is made of here:

My gut (hoping its better than Lex's)feeling is that Rupert wins this RC and gives Alicia the 2nd worst food after giving Shii the rice.

Is this Rupert just walking behind Alicia here? or talking to her about his choice of food for her?


Also, a few asides

This appears to be Rob smirking after he breaks Shii's mask:

And this looks like Jenna is laughing, while sitting down, after she's been eliminted from RC. Sitting next to a raincoat-either Shii or Alicia, or Amber (Rob is not wearing his at RC)


emydi

"RE: Another Hand-Sat promo"
Posted by Brownroach on 04-19-04 at 01:04 PM
I don't think it would be Tom's mask; the straw is extending well below chin level, and while Tom's beard is getting dense it's not hanging off his face like Rupert's does:

And to me, Tom seems like a good candidate to win this. Or Rob might win if people are too afraid to chop him. I don't think Rupert would win -- Rob would go after his mask right away, imo. I think the women will mostly go after each other; I don't see any of them winning it.


"RE: Another Hand-Sat promo"
Posted by emydi on 04-19-04 at 01:33 PM
Yes I thought the three men might be the last three in it (not that the photo of them above is when its down just to them because of the raincoat to Rupert's right)

(aside: could the final 3 in IC also be shown-Rupert, Shii, Jenna-tho it would be odd that the final 3 in each challenge would be lined up at the beginning of the challenge together already)

Rupert did win this type of challenge in PI, however, the questions were about PI facts which Rupert probably studied before heading down to play S7.

This challenge seems to be like the S6 Amazaon immunity challenge that Rob C won. Who would have the best insight into the players and what each thought of the others??

Has to be BRob--he has deals with everyone so they all talk to him.


emydi

"RE: Another Hand-Sat promo"
Posted by Brownroach on 04-19-04 at 02:08 PM
In PI, Rupert won primarily because it was the IC and no one put their beachballs in his chute until the very end. They wanted to vote Rupert out but didn't want to give him any signals beforehand. (So he won immunity and they had to wait three more days to boot him.)

Boston Rob might cause the same reticence in this challenge, even though it's only RC.


"RE: Another Hand-Sat promo"
Posted by emydi on 04-19-04 at 02:27 PM
Also, they had a sure fire boot with Ryno that week (or was it Lil?? )

emydi

"RE: Another Hand-Sat promo"
Posted by ruppiefan on 04-20-04 at 10:11 AM
Pretty sure it was Rhino, even his own "girls" from the moron tribe filled his bin full of coconuts. I hope we get to see a bit of the "pecking order" this episode. It's always fun when everyone gets a chance to see where they stand.
"RE: Another Hand-Sat promo"
Posted by emydi on 04-20-04 at 11:23 AM
RF

It was indeed Ryno, I was referring to the Snewser "Lil pick" from that week.


emydi

"RE: Amber's hand"
Posted by Goblin on 04-18-04 at 02:47 PM
In the RC that tom won and took amber and jenna, after they came back, wasn't someone saying something about amber's manicure? I think it's amber's hand.
"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by emydi on 04-16-04 at 03:54 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-16-04 AT 08:27 PM (EST)

(have we decided is this Amber or Jenna?)

After looking at it at home and with VS's help, I think its Jenna. I dont think Amber or Jenna would win this IC

emydi

"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by Brownroach on 04-16-04 at 03:58 PM
IMO its the same dude in the staged picking up of the yellow chest at RC on the early show a few weeks ago

But Jenna is standing there near him.


"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by emydi on 04-16-04 at 04:03 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-16-04 AT 08:33 PM (EST)

I couldnt tell exactly while lookin at vcaps at work

It seems Tom does have sweatshirt, samboohoo is looking for it now.

So it's Tom


emydi

"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by VerucaSalt on 04-16-04 at 04:10 PM
I think Amber's hair is too long for that to be her and she is somewhat thinner as well.

"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by yensid on 04-16-04 at 05:38 PM
I can look when I get home, but the girl in the picture seems to me to have the straps of her swim suit tied together with a string or something as if the top was too big (with the weightloss). I know that I saw either Jenna or Amber with their suit tied together that way in the back. If someone can get to it before me, check out one of the last couple of episodes or I will edit when I get home.

"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by JazzyJax on 04-16-04 at 04:20 PM
>Looks like the RC is like
>the challenge in the Amazon
>where you have to answer
>questions about the others and
>you try to answer what
>you think the majority said.

That's the challenge I was trying to think of! I think you have it, none of the players shown are looking too happy, I bet this indeed gets "catty". JP is trying to shake up the boring pagonging storyline, there was alot of mentions last episode about playing the game, over and over. Besides they already did the trivia game where all the old survivors were featured.

I think there's a good chance the trivia and the chopping of the ropes/weights/smash into the masks are the same challenge. When it comes down to being put on the spot and keeping their mouth shut, Alicia does not appear to be a very good sport. Perhaps she does not help herself once the stress gets going and they target her on the ropes simply because everyone is in a bad mood and she is antagonistic. I was wondering how the spoilers have her going before Shii.

"WHO is Ambuh talking to here?"
Posted by emydi on 04-16-04 at 03:22 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-16-04 AT 08:40 PM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON 04-16-04 AT 05:07 PM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON 04-16-04 AT 03:36 PM (EST)

ETR post because i couldnt see the caps at work, I'll have to adjust my computer at work!!!

emydi

"Rupert/Shii-Ann"
Posted by JEZebel on 04-16-04 at 05:31 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-19-04 AT 05:25 PM (EST)

We have the following vid caps:

Pic 1

Pic 2

Pic 3

Pic 4

In Pic 1, Rupert and Jenna are both holding with their right arms. In Pic 2 - so is Rob. Both Pic 3/4 have someone releasing with right hand. SA is holding with her left hand.

Neither hands releasing in Pic 3/4 can be Alicia. Also, Pic 3 is a male - there appears to be a large amount of arm hair (light colored) and there is no buff on the arm. Rupert has his buff on his right arm. I believe that pic 3 is of Tom.

Pic 4 is female. The palm is much too smooth and the hand too groomed to be any of the men. It's not Alicia nor SA - must be either Jenna or Amber - my bet is Amber because if you look at Pic 1 vs. Pic 4 - the fern behind the hand isn't present behind Jenna.

Interesting that both releases shown are with right hands. I think it may be a hint that SA does in fact win IC since she appears to be one of the few holding with her left hand.

"RE: Rupert/Shii-Ann"
Posted by Gingerman28 on 04-20-04 at 05:01 PM
Here's a thought. Notice that the tubs have the usual colors: Red, Yellow, Green from left to right. Rupert is under the Red Tub, Jenna is under the Green Tub. Shii Ann is in the midddle under the yellow tub. We have seen Jenna get drenched, so she is out. In the close up of the hand, it is under the red tub and we see it coming down over the hand. This must be Rupert or someone who will be demonstrating the event as was done in the underwater chest move when they showed a man in blue trunks carrying the crate, when in actuality the third carrier was Rob in red trunks. But I degress. Also we have seen JP who is standing to the far left of the even get drenched when the tub closest to him comes down. This is the red tub and probably Rupert. So that leaves Shii Ann in the middle as the winner if this is the final heat, and I believe its. There fore Shii Ann will get immunity (note IN by Jeff when he gets it in the face.) This leads the TC to vote Alicia out.
"RE: Rupert/Shii-Ann"
Posted by justwrong on 04-21-04 at 07:41 PM
>This is the red tub
>and probably Rupert. So
>that leaves Shii Ann in
>the middle as the winner
>if this is the final
>heat, and I believe its.

i can't imagine they would do heats for a 'last man standing' challenge like this. i mean if you truly held on as long as you possibly could, then you would have nothing left to do it again. if they did make you do it again, wouldn't you use the other hand? it would seem you would have to. this would mean that the others would be using their left hands. besides, how do you do heats to get down to 3 finalists if you start with 7 people?

--- of all the things i've lost, i miss my mind the most!

"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by I_Got_Nutn on 04-16-04 at 06:15 PM
In cap 8, Shii Ann is saying "Stupid people, stupid players." I think this is referring to the fact that RC is the traditional alliance exposing elimination challenge. However, this is a reward challenge. It is traditionally an IC, So the bright thing to do would be to have fun with it and target your allies and give away nothing. I suspect that instead they reveal the pecking order and the elimination goes Shii, Alicia (causing Alicia to say I don't like these people any more), Rupert, Tom, Jenna, Rob, Amber.

I think the challenge is a combination of:
Face Off (S6 Ep8)
Description: Survivors face off in an Amazon based Q&A session. With their Tree Mail, each Survivor receives a mask to decorate. For each question a Survivor answers correctly, they cut a section of rope connected to a swinging log that will eventually smash the mask of another Survivor. The last tribemate with a mask still intact wins.
Winner Gets: Immunity
Winner: Jenna Morasca

and

Touchy Subjects (S6 Ep10)
Description: The Survivors receive a questionnaire, which they must fill out before the Challenge. The questions range from personal information to private opinions about tribemates. During the Challenge, the Survivors vote on what they think was the most common answer given by the tribe as a whole. First person to answer five questions correctly wins.
Winner Gets: Immunity
Winner: Rob Cesternino

This leads to the question being asked, "Which contestant least deserves to be on A$$?" Everyone butt Shii says Shii, which fires her up enough to win the endurance (more women have won this than men anyway) challenge, which is why Amber is even bothering to lie talk to her in caps 39 - 40.

Yeah, It's a JSlice
Any sense? Even a glimmer?

"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by emydi on 04-16-04 at 08:16 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-16-04 AT 08:44 PM (EST)

I think you got sumpn Nutn

You can see Shii mouthing the word Stoooopid in VC8.

I think Rupert may win this RC and go straight along alliance lines because he would stick by his alliance even if it hurt him. Also he did the same thing in PI when they had the same type of challenge (went after Ryno first then Darrah, then Ti, etc.)

I would hope that Rob would not do this but Ambuh and Jennah may give him puppy dog eyes to give them the good stuff probably ice cream, sweets

OOOOOOOOHHHHHH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOD, they scream in unison... for the jabillionth time, they go over make a "samwich" out of Rob and he um makes his decision (like Rupert did last week on his choice of RC mates)

I can see Shii using everything she got to win the II after this spectacle

emydi

"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by Peachezz on 04-17-04 at 08:37 AM
LAST EDITED ON 04-20-04 AT 05:29 AM (EST)

Amber: "Even if I'm lying to him he's going to trust me."

Why would Amber say this to Shii Ann? She either really trusts Shii, or she is testing her to see if that statement gets back to Rob. But why? I suppose Shii might have initiated a conversation trying to get Amber into a women's alliance. Kathy said she had taught Shii to stir things up.


Rupert seems to be in agony. Is he spacing out so he can maintain the position?

Jenna has her sun visor on at the IC. I don't see it in the woman shown splashing down. I think the splash down is Amber.

Also, are the pictures 28 through 31 reversed? It still looks like the right hand is up in the air with the strap around it in #31. I don't know, it's just strange.

Jenna looks like she has a lot of slack in her arm, whereas Shii Ann's arm is pulled straight up. Just off the cuff, that seems unequal. But Shii looks quite comfortable. For some reason, I have the impression Shii could take an endurance challenge. Maybe it's a cultural stereotype bias that's influencing me. I know she isn't a particularly hard worker. Also we did see a lot of her saying the letter from home made her want to win.

Edited,in case anyone reads this late, to say I now believe the splashdown to be Jenna. I could see her visor in a clearer image of the splashdown, and she is the only one tying her swimsuit in the back.

"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by Loree on 04-17-04 at 10:34 AM
>Amber: "Even if I'm lying to
>him he's going to trust
>me."
>
>Why would Amber say this to
>Shii Ann?

Amber could be trying to convince people in the camp that her and Rob are not necessarily that close. She may see that Rob is winning alot of IC. And if everyone wants to split them up then Amber is likely to be the one voted out if Rob is safe. So it doesn't hurt her to make it known that just maybe she would turn on Rob at the end. Rob may know exactly what she is doing. Being so close does make them both a target. So give the others the thought that they still have a chance of F2 if they are near the end with Romber.

"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by Brownroach on 04-19-04 at 10:57 AM
And Amber's received votes against her at the last two TC's -- including one from Shii Ann. She might be trying to effect some damage control now.


"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by I_Got_Nutn on 04-17-04 at 10:45 PM
The only reason I can think of that Amber would say anything other than Buh-Bye to Shii Ann is if Shii has immunity.

My guess is she is trying to convince Shii Ann to focus her wrath on Jenna because
A. Amber has Rob in her back pocket and can dispense with him at any time.
2. Alicia hates Jenna and she would vote Jenna before she would vote for Rob.
III. Rob, Amber, Tom, Jenna, Rupert, and Jenna are voting for Alicia and they don't want Shii Ann making waves.

Regardless, unless Shii Ann has immunity, there is no reason to talk to her.

Yeah, It's a JSlice

"RE: Old Spoiler"
Posted by KLicK on 04-17-04 at 03:35 PM
I found this buried from 12/20/03.

Does anyone remember it (or what happened to it)?

From Sucks poster keith122386:
ok...the person who told it to me works with the challenge department, he/she is friends with my parents, and he was at a holiday party i was at recently. we were talking about how its funny that old ladies can usually do well in the endurance challenges and i asked him/her if they changed up the formula a little bit with the endurance challenge in all stars and he said some thing similar to"its more like a torture challenge than an endurance one this time, wait til you see the way it plays out"...and then something like "you know how asians are with perseverance" or torturing, it was something like that...i dont really know much more than that, im just giving up what i know..believe it or not... im just trying to help...


Could it be in reference to the water bucket challenge?

"RE: Old Spoiler"
Posted by I_Got_Nutn on 04-18-04 at 03:29 PM
I remember that one. They flamed him bad and then deleted the thread.
keith122386 is back. Thread
I hope it pans out so he can serve up a little crow.

Yeah, It's a JSlice

"Tennis shoes"
Posted by emydi on 04-17-04 at 12:15 PM
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Heres the shoes of the ###es

Heres the shoes placed neatly next to the person that gets wet

They could be either Jenna's or Amber's but Amber doesnt have dark shorts and her hair is longer

But it also appears that a strap is next to or under the shoes (Jenna's visor??) However, Jenna has the visor on during the challenge at one point.

If the strap is under the shoes, how did it get there, she couldnt have taken off her shoes after the visor and laid them so neatly because she can't move that much.

Here's Jenna's back with her swim suit top on

and it appears she has it on with her buff over it at the IC

and it appears there are straps on this person's back

IMO it may be Jenna or a demo person NOT amber

emydi

"RE: Tennis shoes"
Posted by Gingerman28 on 04-17-04 at 12:57 PM
Also notice the blue shorts. I only recall Jenna wearing blue shorts. Shii Ann and Amber have blue long pants. The shoes also match Jennas.
"Back sides"
Posted by udg on 04-17-04 at 01:17 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-17-04 AT 01:25 PM (EST)

Not quite her back side, but I think it's Amber's hair we see, and this is a reasonably good shot.

Edited to say, I've changed my mind. I thought the hair was too straight and too long and too dark to be Jenna, but looking at those pictures, Jenna would be my first pick. Maybe the wave of water washes the hat off her head?

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UDG

"RE: Back sides"
Posted by okaloosajohn on 04-17-04 at 05:56 PM
Does it really matter whether it's Jenna or Amber? I'm not sure what it tells us except that whoever it is doesn't win immunity.

Do you think it's possible that Rupert, SA and Jenna are the last 3 standing? If so, and the unknown splashee is Jenna, that would make the IC winner either Rupert or SA. SA is toast if she doesn't win immunity.

I think she takes it.

"RE: Back sides"
Posted by udg on 04-17-04 at 06:03 PM
I'm not sure what it tells us except that whoever it is doesn't win immunity.

Actually, I don't think it even tells us that. It could be the splash that follows JP saying, "So and so is out of it. You win immunity!"

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UDG

"RE: Back sides"
Posted by Scarlett O Hara on 04-21-04 at 12:49 PM
>LAST EDITED ON 04-17-04
>AT 01:25 PM (EST)
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Come on you guys. Anyone can plainly see that the woman in the shower is JENNA. Her arms are too big to be Amber and she also wears her ponytail much higher on her head than Amber does.

What difference does this really make any how? Do we really think either of these girls could possibly win this thing? If one had to win, I'd put my money on Amber. Jenna has been absolutely useless in all challenges.

But lets get past this and discuss who we think the real winner could be. IMHO, Shiiann is the one to bet on. Typically, the women have done better in the endurance contests than the men. ShiiAnn is just desparate enough to pull this thing off too.


Scarlett

"Does Shi Ann know yoga?"
Posted by mavsfan on 04-18-04 at 01:05 AM
I've been ready for Shi Ann to go home since day 1, and I think Snewsers 3 check marks starting with Lex told us that the 3 Mogo Mogo were going to get pagonged.

But, now I'm starting to get a little worried Shi Ann is going to be like Lil in S7 (IE. A Yoga Student who defies all logic and wins a key immunity at the wrong time). Resulting in a more worthy player like Jon getting the boot.

"RE: Does Shi Ann know yoga?"
Posted by speedyforme on 04-18-04 at 03:39 PM
you kno what?

as much as i think Shii Ann does not deserve to be there, she is the ultimate underdog right now left in the game, therefore, since im such a sucker for underdogs, i want her to win immunity and stir things up...

"Someone Smart-VV-Possible Shii boot this week"
Posted by emydi on 04-18-04 at 04:08 PM
A little tiff about CO at Sucks has produced this little tidbit:


What I said about Shii possibly leaving next, well, if the person on this forum (and they know who they are) comes forward with their info (they told me it in a pm), you might see that it's actually *V*ery *V*ery* plausible.

Just think of what I bolded. Someone smart will figure it out.

http://pub207.ezboard.com/fsurvivorsucksfrm2.showMessageRange?topicID=17626.topic&start=301&stop=311


emydi

"RE: Someone Smart-VV-Possible Shii boot this week"
Posted by Get Bent on 04-19-04 at 01:35 AM
Well, Shii Ann is the only one from Season 5 (er Season V). But that doesn't account for the second V. She wasn't the 5th to go (she was 6th or 7th I think, with 9 left just before the merge), or in the top 5. Just starting out the ideas.

"RE: Someone Smart-VV-Possible Shii boot this week"
Posted by Flowerpower on 04-19-04 at 08:26 AM
V + V = 5 + 5 = 10 .....10th Survivor voted out...does'nt that apply to Rob and Shii devil?

"RE: Someone Smart-VV-Possible Shii boot this week"
Posted by emydi on 04-19-04 at 09:17 AM
Last nite, I thought maybe Varner Visiting Alicia??? next week for the Chapera Surprise???

emydi

"RE: Someone Smart-VV-Possible Shii boot this week"
Posted by Crash Thompson Jr on 04-19-04 at 09:18 AM
V for Vecepia, meaning Shii pulls some major strategies and wins Survivor: All-Stars!!! I KNEW IT!!! YES!!!! ;)
"RE: Someone Smart-VV-Possible Shii boot this week"
Posted by emydi on 04-19-04 at 01:18 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-19-04 AT 01:22 PM (EST)

I thought of that too Crash "V" returns!!!

Anyway, Cosby seems to have changed her tune and has "accepted" that ALicia goes this week

http://pub207.ezboard.com/fsurvivorsucksfrm2.showMessageRange?topicID=17141.topic&start=2181&stop=2193


http://pub207.ezboard.com/fsurvivorsucksfrm2.showMessageRange?topicID=17626.topic&start=321&stop=340

emydi

"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by thumper2 on 04-18-04 at 04:19 PM
Hey does anyone know what JP is doing in 33-35? Is he getting water on him or something?Just thought it looked weird...
"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by VerucaSalt on 04-19-04 at 08:58 AM
He is getting splashed by water thumper

I still maintain that fits Jenna as the person being splashed the best. Amber's hair doesn't match in length and SA is holding her bucket in the other hand and it is obviously not Alicia.

After so many weeks of the buffs being magically changed on us, would it be no surprise that her visor isn't there?

"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by emydi on 04-19-04 at 09:20 AM
Also look at my post #46 for clearer pictures of Jenna losing

emydi

"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by Flowerpower on 04-19-04 at 12:17 PM
VS and emydi, absolutely agree, that these pics are of Jenna getting splashed....no doubt about it. If you look closely at the first pic of the water coming down I think you can even see her visor getting splashed right off her head...

The hair length is Jenna's and look at her arms....they are much larger and rounder than Amber's. Also her bathing suit straps are tied up in the back with string, and those are clearly her shorts. In my opinion, there is no doubt whatsoever that these pics are Jenna getting all washed up.


"Amber Gets Immunity"
Posted by ohboy on 04-19-04 at 10:38 AM
The old hold your hand above your head. They show her getting wet but it's a misdirection she is the winner this time around. And I think the decision will be Shi Ann trying to swing them to vote off Alicia (much bigger threat in the challenges) hence the Alicia "I don't like these people anymore".

In the end Shi Ann goes and chappy isn't so happy cause they know they have to start turning on each other in a few days.

These are my thoughts. oh and for all of those waiting for the big Rob and Amber betrayal I think these two are the real thing.

"Amber's bucket is flipped over....."
Posted by PhillyBrat on 04-19-04 at 11:54 AM
I don't know if anyone else has noticed this. BUT THIS:


Is Amber.


Wanna know why??

The flower pattern that covers Amber. Not something I would think that Jenna and Amber share.

Just my 2 Cents

-=Brats=-

"RE: Amber's bucket is flipped over....."
Posted by VerucaSalt on 04-19-04 at 12:21 PM
PB though my eyes have failed me before, it looks to me that those patterns on the shorts are from the water being splashed down as opposed to an actual "pattern"

This picture above shows the shorts just prior to the water coming down full force and they appear to be a solid color

"RE: Amber's bucket is flipped over....."
Posted by PhillyBrat on 04-20-04 at 06:31 AM
LAST EDITED ON 04-20-04 AT 06:32 AM (EST)

VS I think your right.

Jenna's Visor kinda threw me off, however she could have take it off. (which causes her hand to slip and to loose the challange..)


-=Bratz=-

"RE: Amber's bucket is flipped over....."
Posted by ohboy on 04-19-04 at 12:23 PM
Hey Brat you are right, it's amber but I still thinks she wins last one standing pulling her arm down.
"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by marco on 04-19-04 at 02:18 PM
I agree Amber wins IC and this is her pulling down her arm in victory. She also appears to be very relaxed in all the other photos.
"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by Gingerman28 on 04-19-04 at 11:27 PM
No, I don't think it is Amber. Notice the blue shorts; Amber has been seen in blue long pants never in shorts. This is Jenna. Also note the way the bathing suit straps are tied together in the back and compare to the other pix of Jenna which have been posted here.
"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by VerucaSalt on 04-20-04 at 08:13 AM
I actually think it is quite possible her visor is even still on. These camera angles and shots are very hard to make out a lot of times and since visors typically only show from the back, usually one band at the bottom; it could even still be there.

That aside however, IMO, there really is no other female on the show currently that resembles that picture as much as Jenna.

"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by VolcanicGlass on 04-20-04 at 11:10 AM
VS ;)

"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by Brownroach on 04-20-04 at 11:13 AM
Well, VG, I'm sold.

I think the hand in the air looks like Amber's though.


"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by Flowerpower on 04-20-04 at 11:33 AM
Yes, thanks VG, perhaps all of the others that believed this to be Amber will be sold as well. Clearly, this is Jenna who gets wiped out.

"Reward Teams"
Posted by Gingerman28 on 04-20-04 at 12:25 PM
From the way the three men are standing together during the Reward Challenge, and the fact that they all are answering the "guestion" with Rupert and Tom could it be that the challenge is set up with the Ladies against the Gentlemen as was the case in the Immunity Challege two eps ago? Could it be that the four ladies devise the questions that the men have to answer and vice versa. If the men get it wrong, then the ladies can wack one of the ropes. I also wonder how this thing works. If everyone gets the right answer to they all get to wack one of the ropes? Or do they keep at it until there is only one winner for each question. This seems to me would take too long, so I tend to think it is some kind of team effort at first. Then maybe individual.
"RE: Reward Teams"
Posted by Brownroach on 04-20-04 at 12:39 PM
If everyone gets the right answer to they all get to wack one of the ropes?

The way it usually works is that only those who answer correctly get to whack a rope. I don't know if there's ever been an instance where everyone answered correctly early in the challenge.


"RE: Reward Teams"
Posted by emydi on 04-20-04 at 12:54 PM
Everyone who gets a question right gets to whack a rope, but it takes 3 whacks to release the ropes and break the mask. So if three people get the first one right, Shii will be gone. Remember Ryno was out ASAP in PI.

See the green yellow red marks next to Jeff here:

(this reminds me of that game we used to play Red light, green light, yellow light STOP!!)

emydi

"RE: Reward Teams"
Posted by Brownroach on 04-20-04 at 12:57 PM
So if three people get the first one right, Shii will be gone.

Unless Shii Ann is one of the three. She's not the brightest bulb, but I don't think she'll chop her own rope.


"RE: Reward Teams"
Posted by Loree on 04-20-04 at 01:03 PM
>So if three people get the
>first one right, Shii will
>be gone.
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>Unless Shii Ann is one of
>the three. She's not
>the brightest bulb, but I
>don't think she'll chop her
>own rope. >


Well, she is a follower. She might just line up and chop before she even realizes it is her own. LOL!

"RE: Reward Teams"
Posted by memacmur on 04-20-04 at 04:59 PM
Well...

If it is just reward, and you want to force the other alliances to be revealed (and given the brains of this bunch, they will fail to have learned from previous Survivors), you could just axe yourself so that everyone else sees who else is gunning for them...

And it would be such a diplomatically devilish thing to do.

MEmacmur

"RE: Reward Teams"
Posted by emydi on 04-20-04 at 05:19 PM
Sort of like Christy in PI answering "D" to a question with only 3 possible answers!!!


emydi

"RE: Reward Teams"
Posted by Brownroach on 04-20-04 at 05:27 PM
That's not a bad idea at all, too bad none of these idiots will think of it.

I'm still trying to figure out who will win this. I'm starting to lean toward Amber. From the various collections of caps we have, it appears Shii Ann, Alicia and Jenna are all eliminated. I tend to think the guys will concentrate on each other once Shii Ann is out.

And usually the person that wins this type of challenge is a very secure female -- in S4 it was Tammy (well, she *was* secure up to that point); in S5 it was Helen; in S6 it was Jenna. In S7 it was Rupert, but that happened sort of accidentally.


"RE: Reward Teams"
Posted by Flowerpower on 04-21-04 at 07:59 AM
LAST EDITED ON 04-21-04 AT 08:04 AM (EST)

Okay, we know that Shii devil, Alicia and Jenna are out. We see a clip of what I think is Rupert's mask getting smashed from behind, so he's out. That leaves 3 choices to win...Rob, Amber, or Tom. But, here is a vidcap of Rob after he loses, sitting out by someone who has lost with a poncho on...either Shii, Alicia, or Jenna:

So, I think either Tom or Amber win the RC
ETA: Or is this clip a pic of Rob sitting next to Big Tom with his grey teeshirt on?? If, this is a t-shirt and not a poncho, then indeed Amber will win!


"RE: Reward Teams"
Posted by Dregar on 04-21-04 at 10:12 AM
Good point there...now to settle the issue of "Guess who gets the big stake" If Amber wins, she'll likely give the stake to RobM, but if Tom wins He'll say "I'ma keep ol' bessie to myself, now is there any A1?"

Amber and Tom too good choices.

"RE: Reward Teams"
Posted by Brownroach on 04-21-04 at 11:09 AM
Or is this clip a pic of Rob sitting next to Big Tom with his grey teeshirt on??

Tom is wearing his wifebeater for the challenge. It does look more cottony than the raingear, however. It could just be a bad-quality cap. And Rob looks sort of evil here, so I don't think Amber is the only person competing at this point.

Maybe the last two are Rupert and Amber? We see Tom answering "Tom" when Rupert and Rob are answering "Rupert" -- maybe Tom gets more answers wrong and, having less opportunities to chop, gets taken out earlier.



"RE: Reward Teams"
Posted by Flowerpower on 04-21-04 at 12:20 PM
Tom is wearing his wifebeater for the challenge. It does look more cottony than the raingear, however.

IMO, this still could be his wifebeater....he looks to be leaning forward and this is his midsection/back...???


"RE: Reward Teams"
Posted by Brownroach on 04-21-04 at 02:33 PM
I think I see what you mean, but there is a rounded bulge formed by the creases that looks more consistent with someone's shoulder, imo. Here's a comparison to Jenna's poncho:


The ponchos can get creases; also their collars are high, which seems consistent with the Rob cap -- the "collar" appears to be extending upward from the "shoulder".


"RE: Reward Teams"
Posted by Flowerpower on 04-21-04 at 02:47 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-21-04 AT 02:49 PM (EST)

I don't know BR, the ponchos vs. the wifebeater t-shirt, it's too close to call. The one sitting next to Rob could be either. I looked at the person sitting next to Rob as leaning forward just as Rob is leaning forward in these pics.

Looking at it though, I do not see a shoulder...I think it is a BIG persons back, who is leaning forward just as Rob is...what do you think?

ETA: And looking at the last pic you posted of Jenna, she seems to be sitting next to a large person as well, possibly with a grey T???? (On her left?)

"RE: Reward Teams"
Posted by Brownroach on 04-21-04 at 02:59 PM
I don't know either, fp. Just wanted to compare it to the poncho.

I was just reading the RC thread on Mess Hall over at Sucks. One poster noted that this mask appears to be in a different location, and suggests it's probably a mask that was created for Kathy and then used in the preview:

Makes sense to me, with the hair being so short. This one behind Rob must be Jenna or Amber:



"RE: Reward Teams"
Posted by emydi on 04-21-04 at 03:33 PM
BR

Youre always one step ahead of me, I was going to post that also. Because it's off by itself and does not have a name tag under it like Rob, Rupert and Shii in VCAP 5, its an "extra" mask of Kathy made by the crew before she was voted off last week.

Also, I think that's Amber's mask that Rob is walking past when he's laughing. I think he just smashed a mask, probably ALicia's or Shii's

emydi

"RE: Reward Teams"
Posted by Brownroach on 04-21-04 at 03:42 PM
Yes, they all have name plaques under them; this one doesn't. It must be Kathy's, pressed into service as a "stunt mask."

And I think that's Amber's behind Rob. Alicia's is to the left of Shii Ann, it was discovered by the same poster and has darker "skin."

Some are theorizing that the rear-view mask-smash is also a stunt shot. I have to admit I can't totally reconcile this with being Rupert's mask because the hair looks different (blonder).


"RE: Reward Teams"
Posted by emydi on 04-21-04 at 04:10 PM
Yes, I agree Kathy gets smashed in demo of challenge..and that it's not Rupert's mask getting smashed from behind.

So for better or worse we have sort of an order of masks


Amber?? Jenna?? Rob (possibly Tom behind Jeff) Rupert Shii Alicia

If Rob is walking past Amber's mask it most likely closer to Rob's mask and not further away from Shii and Alicia. I think Rob gets knocked out pretty quickly (3rd after Shii and Alicia) so he is probably just smashed either one of them and walks back to the others past Amber's mask.


emydi

"RE: Reward Teams"
Posted by Flowerpower on 04-21-04 at 03:36 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-21-04 AT 03:38 PM (EST)

Perhaps it is Kathy's....I thought it might be Jenna's. As for the mask behink Rob there, I was thinking that one could be Alicia's!
ETA: But you are probably right, it's probably Amber's!

"RE: Reward Teams"
Posted by emydi on 04-21-04 at 03:11 PM
ETA: And looking at the last pic you posted of Jenna,
she seems to be sitting next to a large person
as well, possibly with a grey T???? (On her left?)

We know RC winner is not Shii, Alicia, Jenna, Rob.

Jenna's sitting in btw two people. I think the one to Jenna's left has a poncho on. She's shorter than Shii and Alicia, so it could be either of them.

However, it could be a darker shirt--in vcap #6, both Rupert's (faded tie dye) and Tom's tanks are gray.

The one on her right looks more blue but these are very grainy PIPs.

Btw Amber Tom and Rupert, my gut says Rupert, I think Romber may think its "CUTE" to smash each other's masks.


emydi

"RE: Reward Teams"
Posted by Flowerpower on 04-21-04 at 03:47 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-21-04 AT 03:50 PM (EST)

But emydi, what do you make of the vidcaps that show a mask from the inside out, getting smashed, it looks to have a dark beard hanging down from the front side of it....it really appears to be Rupert's mask...

"RE: Reward Teams"
Posted by Brownroach on 04-21-04 at 03:48 PM
I'm pretty much ready to rule out Tom now. I think the cap of him answering differently (and probably incorrectly) is supposed to be the little hint that he doesn't win (like the Jenna laughing cap). So it's either Amber or Rupert. And Rob does looks pretty pissed...


"RE: Reward Teams"
Posted by Flowerpower on 04-21-04 at 03:52 PM
I don't put too much stock into Rob's expression here, now you seem as if you both are leaning toward Rupert winning, just when I was changing over to an Amber win!!! LOL

"RE: Reward Teams"
Posted by Brownroach on 04-21-04 at 04:00 PM
I'm not sure yet. Spec: Rob, Rupert and Amber may be the last three. Rob tries to get Rupert out but instead Rupert chops Rob out and that's why Rob looks pissed, bummed, whatever -- he thinks now Rupert is going to win it. But maybe Rupert doesn't.


"RE: Reward Teams"
Posted by Flowerpower on 04-21-04 at 04:03 PM
Sounds plausible to me, BR. Here's the VC with the mask of Rupert's mask from the front to compare with the color of the hair/beard from the inside out mask getting blasted.

"RE: Reward Teams"
Posted by emydi on 04-21-04 at 04:23 PM
FP, Vcap 5 that you posted doesnt show Rupert's beard well enough, IMHO the straw in the mask getting smashed from behind looks lighter than the Rupert mask hair.

I dont think Rob is in final 3, but he could be. IMO, he's either out 3rd or 4th (before or after Jenna). I think it comes down to Amber and Rupert and Rupert answers the question (which ### has the most smoking ###) right (he guesses Amber) and Amber doesnt. (she guesses Rob) Hence the LOOK on Rob's face.


emydi

"RE: Reward Teams"
Posted by udg on 04-21-04 at 05:48 PM
Rupert! Don't forget this:

CBS misdirection: Winning the Reward Challenge gives one All-Star the rare power to decide what the others eat, from a juicy steak to a small, cold bowl of rice.

End of episode preview: Forced to make a tough decision, Rupert's at risk.

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UDG

"RE: Reward Teams"
Posted by Flowerpower on 04-21-04 at 08:33 PM
Okay, okay! Now I'm leaning back toward my original thought of Rupert winning the RC.....but could it be Amber, ha!

"The steak"
Posted by Brownroach on 04-22-04 at 10:47 AM
LAST EDITED ON 04-22-04 AT 11:03 AM (EST)

From Snewser's report, whoever witnessed the food giveaway saw who got the steak, and Panama-traveller Wezzie mentions "Rupert's steak" in a thread on Sucks. So if we are leaning toward Rupert or Amber winning the RC, and we can assume that Rupert ultimately gets the steak, how does he get it? Two scenarios:

1) The winner knows what all the food items are and doles them out as he/she sees fit.

2) The winner does not know what the food items are and doles out covered dishes as he/she sees fit.

If scenario 1 is the case, I can't imagine that Rupert would win and then keep the steak for himself. We see him worrying later that "this is what happened in Pearl Islands". And Rupert likes to make his tribe feel good so that they will return affection to him. I feel positive Rupert would let someone else have the steak.

So in this scenario, only Amber could win out of the two. Amber might give Rupert the steak because he came in second (always a safe-ish choice), and it would be too obvious if she gave it to Rob.

If scenario 2 is the case, either one could win the challenge, because they would have no idea what food item each person is going to wind up with.

So...which scenario is it? Maybe that is the key.

Edited to give my own opinion :

My thought has been that it will be scenario 2. Jeff brings out a covered plate, the winner designates who will get it, then the contents are revealed. Repeat until all plates are allocated.

So Rupert gets the steak by chance. However, if he is worried later, my guess is that it's because he won the challenge -- his downfall in PI was because he was a challenge hog -- AND, (through no fault of his own) he got the best meal as well.

Smashing mask notwithstanding, I'm prepared to drink the Rupert kool-aid.


"RE: The steak"
Posted by Flowerpower on 04-22-04 at 12:42 PM
Here we go again BR! You took the high road, now I'll take the low road. I still bet it is scenario number one, Amber wins and allocates the steak to Rupert, as he chose her to go on the overnight spa reward with him....payback, if you will, and also because he comes in second in this reward, and he's earned it....she'll keep the chocolate and peanut butter for herself!

She'll assign the cold bowl of rice to Shii-devil, and then later have to scramble over to her for real damage control after, surprise of all surprises, Shii-devil actually DOES win an IC.

Like I said, just taking the low road...I still think that's Rupert's mask getting smashed....NO ONE has a stragly beard like Rupert...they don't even have a fu-man-choo on Rob's mask, ha!


"RE: The steak"
Posted by Brownroach on 04-22-04 at 12:51 PM
High road? If there is one, I didn't know I was on it.
Should I switch to the low road?

I forgot about the spa reward. Good point -- Amber *would* give the steak to Rupert as payback.


back at square one.

"RE: The steak"
Posted by Flowerpower on 04-22-04 at 01:21 PM
The high road referring to the popular option this week! LOL

"RE: The steak"
Posted by thetick on 04-22-04 at 02:19 PM
As far as the scenario 1 vs scenario 2 thing:

I think Rupert wins reward but Amber could just as easily. I think Rupert gets the steak, either narcissistically keeping it himself(my island, my fish, my spear, my steak....blah) or as payback from Amber.

Ignore for the moment who is doing the reward allocation. I feel it in my bones that the person giving out the rewards knows what they are in advance. You have a challenge which entails the coconut chopping-esque pecking order revelation with the slambook trivia true opinions revelation. Are the show producers going to then pass on the opportunity to turn the screws up one last turn and not have the RC winner know what rewards they have to allocate out and thereby further expose alliances and pecking orders?

All Stars has been a colossal dud and this is a last gasp, all out effort on MB and co.'s part to stir things up. The RC winner knows the prizes.

"RE: The steak"
Posted by Flowerpower on 04-22-04 at 03:33 PM
Tick, I agree. I think Amber "Shii Ann's" her way to a reward win and knows what she is going to dole out. LOL, I just love that expression and the explanation you gave of it!


"RE: The steak"
Posted by Brownroach on 04-22-04 at 04:25 PM
At least part of it will be guesswork, imo. Maybe three plates are revealed as they are brought out, the other four are covered (including the very best and very worst choices).

Try as I might, I just can't picture watching it go down the other way.


"RE: The steak"
Posted by SurvivorMack on 04-22-04 at 01:24 PM
>Like I said, just taking the
>low road...I still think that's
>Rupert's mask getting smashed....NO ONE
>has a stragly beard like
>Rupert...they don't even have a
>fu-man-choo on Rob's mask, ha!

You can't even see the front of the mask getting smashed so how can you tell what the beard looks like? Also, what vidcap shows Rob's mask. From the ones availiable it only looks like you see Alicia, Shii, Rupert, and Jenna's. I did not see one for Tom or Rob anywhere.

~ The Mack

"RE: The steak"
Posted by Flowerpower on 04-22-04 at 01:57 PM
You are right in that I can not see the front of the mask getting smashed, when the camera angle is shooting from inside the mask. But, I can indeed see that there is a "stragly" beard on the chin of that mask, as it is hanging down. I am "speculating" that it is Rupert's mask, as the only other survivor there with a beard is Tom, and his is white.

There is a vidcap showing the masks of Rob (with the Boston Red Sox cap on), next to Rupert's, next to Shii Ann's. Just look for it, Jiffy is partially hiding Rob's mask. You are right, in that we are not shown one of Tom.


"RE: The steak"
Posted by SurvivorMack on 04-22-04 at 02:06 PM

I don't know... I just don't see anything hanging down from the mask. If anything, I see pieces of the mask flying off as it is getting hit. Certainly nothing dark like what is seen on the front of Rupert's mask.

The mask with the hat behind Jeff looks like it could be Rob, but it could also be alicia... she has a hat kind of like that one. It probably doesn't mean anything though as Jeff looks to just be describing the rules at that point.

~ The Mack

"RE: The steak"
Posted by Flowerpower on 04-22-04 at 02:21 PM
I just don't see anything hanging down from the mask.

Look just to the right of the New Episode Thursday 8/7eand to the right of the CBS eye. Look under the New Episode Thursday 8/7e, that brown stuff hanging down is what we think is a beard.


"RE: The steak"
Posted by SurvivorMack on 04-22-04 at 02:38 PM
>Look just to the right of
>the New Episode Thursday 8/7eand
>to the right of the
>CBS eye. Look under
>the New Episode Thursday 8/7e,
>that brown stuff hanging down
>is what we think is
>a beard.

I see what you are saying now. Who knows. It is hard to tell. The promos are even misdirection nowadays... remember a few weeks back when a vidcap looked like Tom carrying a crate underwater when it turned out to be one of the "Dream Team" guys. This could be a clip from when Jeff explains the challenge and we see examples of the mask getting hit, for all we know. Oh well. Should be interesting none-the-less.


"The mask in question"
Posted by pinchy on 04-22-04 at 04:41 PM
By process of elimination...I think it's Tom's mask. I don't think it's Rupert's mask, it appears to be straw hanging down below the face and it's not straggly brown like the other pic of mask (the one that' most likely rupert's)


Big Tom's?


Rupert's in the middle

"RE: The steak"
Posted by Brat2u on 04-22-04 at 12:58 PM
(IMHO) if Rupert gets the steak, he's the type of guy who would want to share it with everyone. Can't they just have a buffet?
"RE: The steak"
Posted by emydi on 04-22-04 at 07:14 PM
Sorry im so late in this discussion, all day seminar today

I'm sticking with my gut and going with Rupert winning RC and have option

3) As winner, Rupert wins steak and HAS to take it, he has no choice and has to make an informed decision of what he gives to the others

I think Rupert is so distressed over this the rest of the game

BR, I disagree about Rupert's downfall in S7--I think it was him not even thinking about going outside his alliance (except for possible F6 alliance with Andrew) Shii comes to him to vote out Rob and he thinks about it, but doesnt want to go against his alliance, but he remembers this is what got him out in S7-trusting JFP, Burton and Lil....

emydi

"RE: Reward Teams"
Posted by babalouie on 04-21-04 at 03:19 PM
Maybe it's JP. It's the right color for his shirt. JP showed how the water buckers worked and got wet in the process.

I don't think Rupert is out. There was clearly no plank with rope even in front of his mask: immunity?

"RE: Reward Teams"
Posted by pinchy on 04-21-04 at 03:25 PM
Still talking about REWARD CHALLENGE, (masks) right? ok... I'll go with Rupert or Tom on this one. Rupert, because of "the hardest decision he's had to make and what got him voted out of PI". That could be referring to his "reward" of having to dole out the food reward and/or naming Shii Ann as the least deserving All-Star, thus revealing that he's not going to ally himself with her and stick with the "gruesome foursome" of Jenna, Romber, Rupert. In PI, his winning the same kind of challenge revealed him as a leader and made him a target. (Tom's just an alternate Rupert).
"RE: Reward Teams"
Posted by babalouie on 04-20-04 at 06:21 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-20-04 AT 08:33 PM (EST)

LAST EDITED ON 04-20-04 AT 08:31 PM (EST)

Look closely at the photo: there is NO chopping plank with rope in front of Rupert's head target. I think Rupert won the IC and is safe.


And it looks like Alicia's mask is still intact when shii ann's mask gets busted.

"RE: EP12: Web Promo"
Posted by VerucaSalt on 04-21-04 at 08:44 AM
Like magic, I attempt to say what I mean and VG provides me with a picture! Now THAT is exactly what I was trying to say.

Thank you


"RE: Damn, you ever take a look at the Zapruder films? :-P"
Posted by ManateeBob on 04-21-04 at 02:05 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-21-04 AT 02:31 PM (EST)

Now thats a thorough breakdown of photographic material.

Where were you when the White House bunch was goin over satellite imagery of Iraqi N-B-C sites?

Editted to add: Full title of this was "RE: Damn, you ever take a look at the Zapruder films? :-P"

"Amber's Mask"
Posted by Gingerman28 on 04-21-04 at 02:53 PM
Isn't that Amber's mask being broken in frame no. 14? And what makes us believe that is Rupert's mask being broken from behind?
"RE: Amber's Mask"
Posted by Brownroach on 04-21-04 at 05:15 PM
Because of all the hair visible under the chin. It's not getting broken from behind, we are seeing it from behind.


"Back to the 1st vidcap... Alicia"
Posted by pinchy on 04-21-04 at 08:10 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-21-04 AT 08:10 PM (EST)

Was it ever determined whose mask is the one being shown 1st? I keep seeing it over and over on SeeBS and I'm thinking that if it's Alicia, it's their subtle way of giving away the boot for this episode. The stuff they've been showing about Amber's possible betrayal of Rob is obvious misdirection too.

"RE: Back to the 1st vidcap... Alicia"
Posted by emydi on 04-21-04 at 10:28 PM
That's the tree mail that Big Tom is holding up, not anyone's mask


emydi

"RE: Back to the 1st vidcap... Alicia"
Posted by Crash Thompson Jr on 04-22-04 at 09:56 AM
Whoever wins would be smart to let their alliance-mate that they're gonna mix the order up of the food. Or the chopping order. Say Rob's gonna win. He should let Amber and Tom know early one that he's gonna gun for them, so a pecking order won't pop up. Same with the reward. Not totally gip them, but mix things up so people won't be able to tell much. Could keep multiple alliances still in tact, cuz one alliance will know he's mixing it up, and the other, if at the top of the reward order, will feel good about their position. That's hypothetical, and we know Rob doesn't win anyway. Just thinking.
"RE: Amber's Mask"
Posted by Gingerman28 on 04-22-04 at 02:03 PM
If that is Rupert's mask, it sure looks like it is being broken, smashed by the swinging log. If so, that means that Rupert does not win the Reward gig. So who does give out the goodies tonight?
"the vidcap of jeff getting splashed could mean rupert wins immunity"
Posted by ts076 on 04-22-04 at 04:30 PM
when jeff askes rupert about how much he has left he looks to be standing nearby. then in the vidcap where he is getting splashed he looks like he is reaching for something like maybe the immunity necklace. the splash on jeff could be coming after rupert wins and he lets go. either way i would guess he gets splashed by whoever wins immunity because he is reaching for the necklace
"RE: the vidcap of jeff getting splashed could mean rupert wins immunity"
Posted by pinchy on 04-22-04 at 04:52 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-22-04 AT 04:57 PM (EST)

Interesting theory... I do think that it is Rupert's bucket, 'cause that would make a BIG splash. However I think it's between Rupert and Shii Ann and maybe Amber or Jenna at the end and SA wins. Jeff could be grabbing towards the IN to get ready to announce and give to SA. Or not. Notice he's not saying the person's name, which he likely would be at the end of the challenge, to announce, "Shii Ann wins immunity!", instead, he's just saying "Whoa".. makes me think this person (Rupert) is not the last survivor standing in this challenge.

If Rupert is on the end, he would be closest to Jeff.

There's no way it could be SA's bucket.

"Not reaching, leaning"
Posted by Brownroach on 04-22-04 at 05:04 PM
LAST EDITED ON 04-22-04 AT 05:08 PM (EST)

Look at caps 33-35 in the opening post. Jeff is resting his hand on the post, right above where the II is hanging. He turns away as he gets splashed, but his hand doesn't move.