Wondering why we can not get more talk about the actual game of Survivor on this site. All these games and no talk. I’d go to other sites but do not want to have spoilers ruin things for me.

My comments are about Boston Rob’s BIG move last night. If you ask me it was a very stupid move. First off, the team isn’t exactly winning challenges so voting out one of the strongest male players isn’t too smart when the other team started with a 5 to 4 male advantage. Rob now has a very unstable and untrusting player like Phillip he is going to have to ride. Didn’t help that Rob told Phillip to vote for Kristina when they voted for Matt. On top of that Matt, was loyal to Rob. He did not have to worry about Matt for some time. The biggest worry is getting to the merge with an advantage of players. Matt being the Christian is more likely to stick with his original alliance so the thought of him defecting is not strong to begin with. On top of all that he now has made enemies on his tribe. Who’s to say Kristina, Phillip, Amy, and another person don’t see him now as a threat and vote him out. All this was because Rob was worried this early about a couples alliance?????? If you ask me Rob way overplayed this one. He made a risky move that has more negatives than positives and now should be paranoid about being voted out next. Honestly I see Grant being the guy that orchestrates his elimination.

• RE: Boston Rob's BIG Move,Tummy, 10:39 AM, 02-24-11
• RE: Boston Rob's BIG Move,iltarion, 11:25 AM, 02-24-11
• Simple explanation,IceCat, 11:27 AM, 02-24-11
  • RE: Simple explanation,Wacko Jacko, 12:54 PM, 02-24-11
• RE: Boston Rob's BIG Move,crs3192, 02:07 PM, 02-24-11
• RE: Boston Rob's BIG Move,Jims02, 02:30 PM, 02-24-11
  • RE: Boston Rob's BIG Move,michel, 06:57 PM, 02-24-11
    • RE: Boston Rob's BIG Move,iltarion, 10:49 PM, 02-24-11
• RE: Boston Rob's BIG Move,KuwabaraTheMan, 11:50 PM, 02-24-11
  • RE: Boston Rob's BIG Move,Wacko Jacko, 10:24 AM, 02-25-11
    • RE: Boston Rob's BIG Move,sportsjoe, 09:42 PM, 02-26-11
      • RE: Boston Rob's BIG Move,garyc, 08:29 PM, 03-02-11
• RE: Boston Rob's BIG Move,michel, 08:28 AM, 03-03-11

So glad you posted here. The only time I go to spoilers anymore is to read the live thread but then by the next day there's no discussion.

I agree with Rob's move. I looked an the DH and went "Why?!" He was saying how Matt was already playing his end game which Rob thought was dumb, but second tribal was too early to get rid of him. At first I thought maybe there was much more behind the scenes stuff going on with Matt and Ashley(the little blonde). But then you could tell they were both blindsided and loyal to Rob.

So now he's gotten rid of a loyal, athletic, strong player. Made an enemy of a loyal alliance member. And kept an unstable person, that even Rob admitted is a powder keg.

I can't tell what Rob thought he was gaining from that move.

Loved the fact that Rooster found the HII AND called Russell out on the HII clue! I so hope Rooster buries Russell....with the HII! Now that would be sweet.

Good thread, WJ. Talk about the show whenever you want.

I touched on this in Gufus and will probably again on my list, but yes, I believe Rob way overplayed this one. It is actually kind of funny to see someone who has been on 3 seasons make the classical "play the end game before the short game" mistake, which is only 2nd to starting a land war in Asia when it comes to major blunders.

Of course, isn't this the same mistake he made in Marquesas? So, for both he and Russell, this could be the story of two vets NOT learning from their mistakes.

Rob preached the alliance of 6, and well he should because he made the FTC in All Stars on the back of arguably the strongest alliance of 6 Survivor has ever seen. At best, by breaking that six and booting Matt, Rob has reduced that six to an alliance of 4, which gets you no where in Survivor unless you have an HII to play, and at the same time, the move should make it clear to Natalie, Grant, and Ashley that it isn't about alliance; anyone who Rob wants to boot is fair game.

Matt being a good guy and playing the social game? So what? All that means is that no one will want to take him to the end. Him being a devout Christian also makes it less likely that the guy will lie to your face. If you ask me, a good guy to have around!

Rob said he knows the power of a couple in this game. True, but he seems to be forgetting that he and Amber paired with another couple- Jenna and Rupert. Without them, he and Amber never make the end.

I think the bottom line is that Rob bought into Phillip's BS about owning his vote. Philip was the good soldier this time around. We'll see how long that lasts.

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On top of that, I see Matt is a guy who can survive Redemption Island. Rob should have taken the easy way out and voted Phillip out. If I am playing this game I would not want to rely on Phillip the rest of the way...Rob now has to do that. And he has to rely on the others in his alliance to want to align with Phillip also.

I agree with what you`re saying. At the time, I was like WOW. So smart! But then, I thought about the problems it creates and realized how bad a choice it was. I think that Rob actually should have voted out Andrea (I think that`s the blond girl`s name) - she seems like a stronger mental player, but not as good physically. I can`t see her surviving on Redemption Island against Francesca but I can definitely see Matt coming back. Also, I think that Andrea would get angrier about Matt`s boot than Matt would get about her boot. You know what I mean? It would have been easier to coax Matt back on to Rob's side after getting rid of Andrea.

I love Rob, and he obviously proved he can pull of big moves, but I don't think this was the right move at all. I just don't want to see him go!

LAST EDITED ON 02-24-11 AT 02:34 PM (EST)

Completely agree.

In general, I don't understand why people are so eager to fracture their alliance pre-merge. All it does is create outsiders who are eager to jump ship when a merge/swap comes. I mean, look what happened to Timbira when they merged. They were easy pickings for J.T. and Stephen. If they would've just voted out Phillip this week, the only potential defector they have is Kristina. Instead, now they have Kristina and Andrea.

This is sometimes one of the less appreciated components of pre-merge strategy on Survivor. The game ALWAYS seems to shift dramatically around a switch or a merge, almost always due to a detractor selling out an alliance. What's the disadvantage to keeping everyone happy and stupid? Keep 'em loyal and then cut their throats.

And, really? Phillip? That's who you want to rely on to get through the game? I get that he's a vote in the back pocket (right now), but he's too volatile to be seen as a long-term solution.

After reading michel's thread in Bashers, I'm kinda suspecting some Producer Manipulation on this one. It seems pretty obvious that the producers absolutely love Phillip.