Amanda said after her boot that giving the clue back was a mistake. She wouldn't have said that if someone in production told her or Colby it had to go back to Danielle.

If Russell hides the idol and then someone stumbles upon it in the jungle, its theirs. How does that person know if Russell stashed it there or if that is where it was always hidden? You can't seriously believe someone in production would tell the person- "No, that's Russell's. You have to put it back." Get real.

Now if you go back and put the idol or clue or whatever in your bag with your personal possessions, then its yours. If someone takes it out of there, they are stealing. Of course, just because that might be stealing in real life, it doesn't mean its stealing in the game. Afterall, in a game where lying is practically celebrated, who says stealing is against the rules? Jaime didn't steal from James, but she didn't know no better. Would a Russell or Johnny Fairplay hesitate to steal? I don't know. Don't see why they would.

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Jeff said stealing was against the rules and yes, Jaime HAD to give it back even if it was hidden in the shelter's roof.
Fairplay could have stolen Yau Man's idol but he didn't even try because he knew he wasn't allowed.

There was something bothering me about that scene: Amanda did get up to sit on the floor right where Danielle had put the clue but she stays there a while without picking up the clue. Danielle saw her coming so why did she leave the clue there? And why didn’t Amanda find it right away? Simply because the clue wasn't left there.

Breaking up the scene, we first see Amanda sitting and Danielle not moving, not even looking very worried.


Amanda gets up...

Then kneels back down. Only then does a hand reach for the clue on the floor but it’s Danielle’s hand. If you look at the scene very carefully, you see that Amanda doesn’t take the clue off the floor but from underneath Danielle’s pillow.

That makes a much stronger case for possession by Danielle so I still wonder if it was only edited that way for entertainment or if there was indeed a ruling made.

PS: I just laugh at grandpa Colby's face in the 4th cap. I can just imagine a commercial for ED. OK, this does belong in Bashers!

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that clue is up for grabs, doesn't matter who found it. the fact that amanda caught danielle with it is tough ##### for danielle. she should've never given it back, and colby has no balls to back her. she should've read the clue right there and all of them would've had the info. you gotta be kidding me how stupid some of the supposed all stars are. by the way, she didn't steal the idol, she found the clue that danielle had found, fair game big difference.

Welcome to the boards, sportsjoe.

I think it needs to be pointed out that Amanda didn't find the clue. She saw Danielle putting it there.

>There was something bothering me about
>that scene: Amanda did get
>up to sit on the
>floor right where Danielle had
>put the clue but she
>stays there a while without
>picking up the clue. Danielle
>saw her coming so why
>did she leave the clue
>there? And why didn’t Amanda
>find it right away? Simply
>because the clue wasn't left
>there.
>
>Breaking up the scene, we first
>see Amanda sitting and Danielle
>not moving, not even looking
>very worried.
>
>
>Amanda gets up...
>
>
>Then kneels back down. Only then
>does a hand reach for
>the clue on the floor
>but it’s Danielle’s hand. If
>you look at the scene
>very carefully, you see that
>Amanda doesn’t take the clue
>off the floor but from
>underneath Danielle’s pillow.
>
>
>
>That makes a much stronger case
>for possession by Danielle so
>I still wonder if it
>was only edited that way
>for entertainment or if there
>was indeed a ruling made.
>
>
>PS: I just laugh at grandpa
>Colby's face in the 4th
>cap. I can just imagine
>a commercial for ED. OK,
>this does belong in Bashers!
>

Just love that you went through everything, and I totally agree with you. The edit just ticks me off, they show what they want us to think. Amanda had the cluse and should have had the cajones to read it right there, and don't get me started on Colby....gee wiz. But goor for Danielle who did what she had to do, even if it was whining to Grandpa Colby. Amanda blames herself and so do I.

It was likely just edited to save time. The edited version isn't materially different than what really happened. We've seen much greater tricks of editing.

Whether pulled from the floor or under Danielle's pillow, no one had clear right to the clue to the exclusion of everyone else. They should have just agreed to read it out loud.

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Welcome to the boards, IhateHantz!

Iltarion, I think that putting it under her pillow was the most private place Danielle could put it except for inside her bikini. If I put something underneath my pillow, I think it's mine. The floor, not so much. The edited version made a big difference in my eyes.

thanks Michel, i've posted before under another name and forgot my password cuz I don't come here often. i'm so frustrated with this all star edition. between many of the all stars playing like amateurs and that stupid hidden immunity idol that has changed the way the game is played, not sure if i'm gonna tune in for the next season. can't believe i'm saying that, but the game isn't the same with that stupid idol.

It made a difference in your eyes. Yes.

Taking a clue out of a bowl of popcorn that you are all eating from and putting it beneath a pillow on the bed that you are all lying in. Yeah, not exactly private.

Danielle should have put it in her bikini. Small men have been lost in there. And that's the last place Colby or Amanda would have looked.

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All I can say is that they each had a pillow. About the bikini, the movement would have been obvious and it would have served her well if they hadn't known she had it.

Sportsjoe, think back to Africa and, from the episode Carl was voted out all the way to the merge, there was only one subject of strategy discussion and that was previous votes. That influenced the game as much as the idol does nowadays. I'd rather not having the idol too but I've been thinking that since CI. It should have been a one time twist in Panama and then move on but what can you do?

We've had some great episodes and TCs because of idols. They just need MODERATION. Having an idol played every single TC is overboard. Either make them more difficult to find or stop reinserting it back into the game.

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Please keep the HII, they have already stated they are changing the hiding, bring Exile Island back. I don't mind them playing HII, leaving it in your pocket IS THE STUPIDEST thing. The edit WAS important as michel said, taking it from underneath the pillow vs off the floor, VERY DIFFERENT. (Ummm, not to be very weird, but Danielle's bosums are weird looking, she has that Tori Spelling in between vacuum.) If she put the clue in there,, what would Amanda have done???

Thanks for the welcome, you can see by my UI what I feel, having Russell miss the point of the social game keeps me yelling at the TV on Thursdays, and enjoying it, look forward to Thursdays just the same. Nice to know there are others, and the ones who look through frames, my hat is off. Where can I find more information on Ponderosa?

We have a Ponderosa thread in the Spoilers forum.

Here is the link: http://community.realitytvworld.com/boards/DCForumID2/7416.shtml

Sometimes people say things in interviews or in clips from the Ponderosa so those are often posted in the spoilers forum so if they say something spoilerish it can be discussed completely without breaking the no spoilers in the fanatics and bashers rule.

dumb question, where are people seeing clips from the players who got voted out and are now at losers lodge?

At CBS.com you get a series (a dozen or so) of unseen clips for each episode and you also have 3 ponderosa clips for each new juror. Here's a link to Amanda part #1:

http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor/video/?vs=Ponderosa

Scroll down that page for the rest.

thanks Michel, I learn something new here every time i visit

You're right Michel about votes for someone counting in tiebreaker scenarios or when the idol is played. It should have been a one time twist, but as Jeff says they're going to change the way it comes into the game. We'll see. I hope they make it extremely difficult to get an idol, to the point that it may not get into the game. If you look back at the blunders that were considered monumental in Survivor, I believe most of them had something to do with a hidden immunity idol. I'd love to see Russell get done in by some kind of immunity idol deal. Now that would be ironic and poetic justice.

Great idea!
I think many of us would like to see RussHell go out that way!

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