I saw the show last night and loved it but I'd always think about whether they were classed in the right way. You could assume that the Heroes played clean and used their likability to get further whereas a 'villain' used lying and cunningness etc.

I don't think everyone is classed where they should be.

Danielle (Villain) - I liked her in Panama and didn't think she was too villainous at all. She got into a good alliance and had numbers like you should.

Courtney (Villain) - She seemed annoying but not that villainous. Maybe I just don't let people get to me or something.

Sandra (Villain) - I remember and lying and stuff to Johnny Fairplay at PI but my memory doesn't serve me as to what else she did that would make her be there. I mean she was more likable than Lil.

Can't find a hero that shouldn't be there.

What are your thoughts / ideas ?
Who did you want back that is not in there?

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Wasn't Sandra the one that threw out all the fish they were going to have for dinner when she was peeved about something in the game? How is that heroic when RussHell is a villain for setting free the chickens which is basically the same thing even if a different motivation?

I think she threw out the fish when Rupert got voted out.

Sandra threw out the fish and than blamed Christa , who was in tears and Sandra kept blaming her. Thatīs a villain in my book!!

I think Cerie belongs with the villains. She made a lot of sneaky moves and everybody thinks sheīs so nice. I really donīt get that!!

I agree on Danielle and Courtney, but mostly Danielle. Courtney less so, but Danielle never struck me as a villain.

I think Stephenie should be on the villains tribe, rather than the heroes tribe. She might have been a hero in Palau, but she was a complete villain in Gautemala. Swap Steph and Danielle and I think the tribes are fairly accurate.

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When the cast came out, I pointed out that Danielle is no villian and Candice is no hero. They are both on the show for 2 reasons, they are strong and attractive women. That's it. Which tribe they were put on was an afterthought.

Hahaha... Sandra is as much a villian as it gets. Everyone remembers when she threw the fish out, but the worse act was sitting there and doing nothing while her best friend in the game, Christa, was torn apart over it. And who else would yell at Parvati on Day 3? Only Sandra. I think she relishes the role. She almost was not given the opportunity to play it in Pearl Islands, because JFP was there.

Cirie is perceived as a hero, perhaps, but I find it funny that Jeff would cite Micronesia as evidence of Parvati being a villian when Cirie had as much to do with what happened there as Parvati did. The real reasons Cirie is perceived as a hero and Parvati as a villian are because Cirie has the underdog storyline, while Parvati is seen as a woman who will flirt and flaunt herself to get ahead and that is generally looked negatively on, though not by me. Parvati also won a season that many feel she probably shouldn't have. That also plays a role in it.

After being the last member of her tribe premerge, still a unique event, Stephanie is still looked at by most as a hero, regardless of Guatamala. For the most part, she plays a straight up honorable game. She veered off that path for about 2 or 3 votes in Guat, but only that long.

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You're right about Candice, I actually forgot about her when I originally made my post, because she barely did anything in the first episode. She's definitely an odd pick for the Hero tribe.

I really have to wonder why they didn't just put Danielle and Candice on the opposite tribes. I get why Steph is on the Hero tribe even if I view her as more of a villain, but Danielle seems so out of place on a tribe of villains.

Based on what Sandra did after Rupert was voted out, I could see her as a Villain, although one of the less villainous ones.

Courtney's a bit of a stretch, but she could fit in with the other Villains.

I don't see Candice as a Hero and I definitely don't see Danielle as a Villain. I think we should've switched them onto different tribes -- Candice as a Villain and Danielle as a Hero, although Danielle's a bit of a stretch as a Hero even there.

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Not that Boston Bob should be a hero, but he may have outgrown the game. He may have gained a little too much maturity and perspective to really be a villain. He displayed a little too much patience, leadership and willingness to take the other villains with a grain of salt.

Jerri also isn't the villain that she believes she is. Jerri was a villian because she was lacking in self-awareness and sensitivity to those around her. Jerri didn't/doesn't really have a mean streak though. She just doesn't look that bad compared to snarky Courtney, snarkier Tyson and just plain nasty Randy and Russell.

There's no way Sugar is a 'hero' in my mind. Yeah I know she survived all these visits to the Sugar Shack in her season, but she didn't behave like a hero.

She sure acted like a big-time villain with her actions in this episode, not only with her double-finger salute while topless, but also with her relentless chasing of Colby and keeping everyone awake with her squawking.

Some hero.

Sugar was the anti-Corinne, or rather, she was a hero because her opponents were bottom-feeding bastards. So she's a hero by default.

That said, she completely forgot how to play the game and acted like a desperate fool hell-bent on revenge. Given better motivation and a longer story arc, she could be a hero, albeit an anti-hero, but her social game fell flat, so she was what we call a "dud."

None of them are heroes in any sense of the word. And I don't think any of them are villains (it's a GAME)

But they are all DAWS. I think we agree on that

Danielle doesn't deserve to be a Hero or a Villain - she was a non-entity who couldn't have beaten a slug. Sub in Twila; she was effing awesome.

Candice was a villain in Cook Islands, not a hero; she betrayed her tribe just for a drooling guy and got what she deserved. Also, she broke Billy's heart.

Stephenie was a hero one season and a villain the next; she could go wither way.

Sandra spilled Rupert's fish after he was voted out - sabotaging the food supply makes one a villain several times over.

Also Courtney is the biggest scumbag ever to play the game. Rolling her eyes and sneering at the welcome ceremony in China is enough to make her a villain. At least Leslie dropped out of the ceremony on principle; Courtney is just a biznatch. (And this is coming from someone who hates kids more than she does.)

I agree with you on most of your points, Colonel Zoidberg. Danielle is neither a Hero nor a Villain, although I think she'd be closer to a Hero than a Villain.

Candice was a Villain for mutinying -- not just for Adumb but also for Parvati, and she got what she deserved. As for her breaking Billy's heart -- she never told him that she loved him. She just said, "We love you." It was Billy who said "I love you." And then he put his foot in his mouth when he said that he fell in love with Candice. On the bright side, the look on Jeff's face was priceless!

{Howard Stern}Hero Of The Stupid.{/Howard Stern}

Yeah, have a vague memory on Pearl Island.

Totally agree that Stephanie could swing in either tribe. I do like her though.

After last night I'm thinking James was placed on the wrong tribe. Acted more like Russell or Tyson at his worst.

James was roid raging, wasn't he?

James being frustrated at his tribe was understandable. Think about it - they set out to have J.T. as the leader, and they balked at that strategy when people stopped listening to him. The Villains has the same strategy, only with Boston Rob as the leader. The Villains won. By all accounts, this is Palau all over again - Ulong might have been the stronger tribe, but they couldn't work together worth a damn and lost every single challenge. If I were James, I'd be frustrated, too.

The previews for next week? Definitely showing James in coo-coo-for-Cocoa-Puffs land.

About James, maybe, mabye not. It wouldn't be unusual for the previews to attempt to deceive, and most those shots of people talking about James appeared to be shot immediately after the TC where Stephanie was booted. Of course, Colby and Tom would both have bad things to say about James at that point. The previews also showed James being physical in a challenge. So what? What would you expect? By showing the challenge shots first, and then showing the tension with Tom and Colby afterwards, the previews made you think there is more furor coming from James. Maybe... or maybe not. We will see. I think it is probably just a redirect from what will probably be obvious boot of Tom or Colby.

All of that changes, of course, if the Heroes actually win an IC. Of the Villians, I don't see Russell long for this game. He definitely does not have the power to take out Rob. If he sticks his head out there at all, he'll be gone.

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So far Tom appears to be the only person on his tribe who could be in charge. JT is a little too low-key (and young perhaps for this group with their egos) and Cirie is pretty low profile herself. Her game seems to be more about making alliances and suggesting blindsiding strong players at opportune times. Plus she doesn't bring enough to challenges (or as far as I can see) around camp to have that type of credibility. Problem for this tribe is that Tom is also the number one target, so the extra votes (JT, Cirie, Candice) are voting with the other alliance. No surprise there. Not too much strategy with Rupert or James, and Amanda is also more of a supporting player. Could easily see JT and Cirie as the strategists. Question: Do they have an already exising alliance with Parvati, and if yes, whom else is Parvati bringing along.

It is impressive how Rob seems to have taken obvious charge over another group of big egos. Might reflect differences in the men on the two tribes; JT won, and Colby came in second and chose his finals opponent. Even Rupert his first time out was the dominant player on his tribe until blindsided. Only Russell came close to winning on the other tribe. The other three were more about entertainment value (though Tyson was good at challenges.)

Actually, I think it is the opposite.

Many thought prior to this season that Stephanie was incorrectly cast as a hero. I argued that she was not. I have slightly changed my mind.

I agreed with most of what James had to say in the shelter. His TC act was onerous and overboard, but I'm not going to say it was so bad that he wasn't cast right.

In her fancast, Stephanie, two months after her boot, still appeared to have bitterness towards James and everyone in his alliance. She said that James showed his true colors. Maybe. But I also think she might have shown hers. She acted entitled in Guatamala, and I think she acted much the same here. Rupert said when he voted for Stephanie that she had made no effort to get to know anyone but Tom and Colby. At the end, it was easily apparent why Danni beat her so badly in a vote.

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Sounds like that is a problem with this season, especially with a number of these players (Cirie, Amanda, James, Parvati) having just played in Micronesia several seasons back. This is James and Amanda's third time on the same tribe. Players should have to make alliances, not walk into existing alliances. Suggestion. A lot of these people aren't wearing so well by the third time around. They might think of capping appearances. Two chances at the game and you're done. Unless you're Rob, or maybe Cirie. Either that or limit the number of players who have played on all-stars before who can play again on a particular season.

Speaking of Rupert, what happened to the guy who was supposed to be so good at this. In All-Stars he planned a shelter that flooded out because it was dug into the sand. Here he wastes a third of the flint trying to start a fire (while Rob is starting one with wood), doesn't appear to be catching fish, and complains about the cooking. Think I remember other people on his tribe on All-Stars also complained about his I'm the expert, I'm in charge attitude.

While I think James had one or two points, his constant badgering (bullying does sound right) was very unpleasant to watch. And his constant rambling on about Stephanie being kryponite and having lost her entire team made no sense what so ever. He came off as completely out of control. And like Stephanie or not, she's been a strong player. If anything maybe too strong willed, which puts off people.

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Boston Rob should be a hero. James and Rupert should be villains.

After last night I think more than ever that James belongs on the Villains. Whether or not you agree with his behavior, this season's version of James interacting at camp with Coach, Russell, Tyson, etc. could be fascinating, and maybe hilarious. Throw in his observations on his tribesmates' and Rob's on James and it would likely be more entertaining than anything going on in the Heroes camp.

I'm wondering why coach is on the Villains, actually I am wondering why coach is back at all. He must be one of the worst strategic players ever, and is a total nutjob. I guess he makes for interesting tv.

Exactly. Randy, Sugar, James, perhaps Courtney were not particuarly good players but were popular or entertaining.